Profiles In Heroism: Dan Mullen Comment Count

Brian

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Head Coach, Mississippi State
Age 42
Exp. 6th year
Record 46-30
Previous Jobs
OC/QB @ Florida 2005-08
QB @ Utah 2003-04
QB @ BGSU 2001-02
GA @ ND 1999-00
Playing Career
TE at Ursinus (PA) in 1992/93

These again. We're skipping Harbaugh because it's not like you need to be told about Harbaugh. In the event M does hire him, he'll get one.

These are in approximate order of personal preference.

Nationally, Dan Mullen is regarded as the best available-ish college head coach in the market this year. This admiration has not extended to all corners of the Michigan fanbase for… reasons. Foremost amongst them are:

  • "He's a one-year wonder." (Who won two national championships at Florida as the primary play-caller and has built MSU into a contender in the toughest division in the country.)
  • "He's not a cultural fit." (He's from Pennsylvania and GA'd at ND. Hell, he coached at Columbia.)
  • "He runs the spread." (You have just slashed out 80% of plausible options. Also, Chris Leak was as mobile as a plant.)
  • "He's never won for real for real." (At the Indiana of the SEC.)

Mississippi State's winning percentage before Dan Mullen arrived was… not good. In the decade before his arrivals this was their power conference peer group:

Rk Team Win % W L
84 Kentucky 0.42748 56 75
85 Rutgers 0.42308 55 75
87 Mississippi State 0.41985 55 76
90 Iowa State 0.41667 55 77
91 Illinois 0.41085 53 76

Bulldog futility goes further back than that; you have to go back to the 50s before you find a MSU head coach capable of consistently keeping the Bulldogs above .500. His winning percentage of 60.5% is in the WVU-Miami-Utah-Iowa range and is virtually unprecedented. It's also better than Michigan's over the same time frame. At Mississippi State.

So.

Reasons for hiring or not hiring a coach are not made in a vacuum, so if you'd like to make one of these arguments you have to bring along a guy who has a better resume than Dan Mullen. Gary Patterson? Sure! I'm totally down with Gary Patterson if you can crowbar him out of TCU, but you can't. Given the hires Nebraska and Florida just made I don't think anyone who could-might-kinda be available is. That leaves Dan Mullen and…

Seriously, I don't know. Mullen is the default college head coach choice. Fortunately, he seems like a pretty good one.

[After THE JUMP: the anti-Borges at QB, overblown oversigning concerns, and CEO stuff.]

Xs and Os Proficiency

Mullen came up with Urban Meyer. He was a grad assistant at ND when Meyer was the WR coach there, and then followed him through all his stops until getting the Mississippi State job. His track record as a QB coach and offensive coordinator is truly impressive. Mullen's QBs:

  • JOSH HARRIS, BGSU. Meyer inherited Andy Sahm, a pocket guy a year older than Harris, and Mullen eventually molded him to a quality starter. He took over the full time job in 2002, with a 6.9 YPA, 737 rushing yards, and a whopping 39 touchdowns as BGSU took down Missouri and Kansas as a MAC team. Harris had a standout senior season the year after Meyer and Mullen went to Utah and got drafted.
  • ALEX SMITH, UTAH. Smith had four attempts as a true freshman; upon Meyer and Mullen's arrival he blew up, passing for 8.4 YPA as a true sophomore and 9.3 as a junior; that junior campaign also saw him complete 68% of his passes with a nutty 32:4 TD:INT ratio. Oh, and run for 600 yards. Utah went undefeated, beating Texas A&M, Arizona, North Carolina, and Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. Smith was the top pick in the ensuing NFL Draft.
  • CHRIS LEAK, FLORIDA. Leak had already started for Florida for two years under Ron Zook; he never really fit the Meyer run/pass mold but complted 63 and 64 percent of his passes as an upperclassman with decent YPA and TD:INT ratios as Florida won a national title in 2006.
  • TIM TEBOW, FLORIDA. I probably don't have to remind you of TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW's college career. Mostly a Belldozer QB/tank as a freshman, Tebow put up insane stats as a full time starter: 9.4 YPA, 32:6 TD:INT as a sophomore, 9.2 and 30:4 as a junior, with a total of 1600 rushing yards those two years. Mullen left for Mississippi State after 2008; Scot Loeffler was brought in to turn Tebow into Tom Brady, a process that didn't seem to impact his college stats much (9.2 YPA as a senior) but also did not work. Tebow was a first round draft pick and ESPN hype factory who eventually washed out because he was a rhino masquerading as an NFL QB.
  • TYSON LEE, MSU. Mediocre inherited pocket passer. Did bump YPA from 5.8 to 6.5 as a senior in Mullen year 1.
  • CHRIS RELF, MSU. Middling inherited bulky dual-threat who once obliterated M. "One of the lowest-rated QB prospects" to start an SEC game after the rise of rankings, Mullen was very careful with his passing on team that ran almost 70% of the time at a rather decent 4.5 YPC; Relf had 8.1 YPA as a result in Mullen year two. Relf fell off significantly as a senior and was platooned with…
  • TYLER RUSSELL, MSU. Mildly touted pocket guy was recruited by Croom and kept on, had a decent junior year (59%, 7.4 YPA, 24:10 TD:INT) and then blew out his shoulder in his senior year opener; he came back sporadically when the next guy came down with his own shoulder issues.
  • DAK PRESCOTT, MSU. The first Mullen-recruited QB to play for him at MSU had a rickety redshirt sophomore campaign (7.3 YPA, 10:7 TD-INT) after being forced into the lineup by Russell's shoulder issues; did run for over 800 yards. This year Prescott blew up (61%, 8.7 YPA, 24:10 TD INT, 900 rushing yards) into a fringe Heisman candidate as the Bulldogs took it to most of the SEC that was not Alabama.

Mullen had four straight highly productive QBs before he got to MSU and then scraped average production out of a couple of iffy prospects before Prescott blew up this year. FWIW, at Florida Mullen was the primary playcaller; this is not a Chip/Brian Kelly situation where the HC is also the de-facto OC.

As far as his offenses have gone:

[2008 Mississippi State was Sylvester Croom's last team, included for comparison's sake.]

Year Team FEI S&P Plain YPP
2005 Florida N/A 23 49
2006 Florida N/A 7 24
2007 Florida 1 1 3
2008 Florida 3 1 3
2008 Miss. St. 106 106 115
2009 Miss. St. 44 71 69
2010 Miss. St. 69 56 41
2011 Miss. St. 88 63 70
2012 Miss. St. 87 51 47
2013 Miss. St. 46 56 45
2014 Miss. St. 22 5 16

Mullen walked into one of the worst possible situations and immediately made it better. He maintained improved but average-at-best performance except for 2011, when he had a pocket passer, before a true breakout 2014—the first year he had an experienced QB he recruited available. At Florida his offenses were lights-out after an adjustment year in which they figured out Chris Leak was dyslexic.

No, this isn't like Brady Hoke's one good year at Ball State. Ball State is historically a slightly above .500 MAC school and Hoke had them performing at or below that number until his annus mirabilus. Mullen was already outperforming by some distance before this year. Also…

THE MAC IS

NOT

THE SEC

and Brady Hoke didn't win multiple NCs as an offensive coordinator, because he was never one of those.

Recruiting

Life at the bottom is tough. Mississippi State is often left with a choice between guys who probably can't cut it in the SEC and guys who are questionable to qualify; as a result their classes come with significant uncertaint. Some LOIs are courtesy offers  intended as a sort of "draft and follow" as players go to JUCO and then arrive two years later. Current JUCO DB commit Donald Gray signed with MSU out of high school($) and both made good on it once Gray became eligible.

But an overview shows that concerns about oversigning and JUCOs are significantly overblown.

Year Recruits 4* JUCOs 247 Comp.
2009 27 7 6 20
2010 26 5 3 34
2011 22 1 2 34
2012 28 4 2 22
2013 21 3 (one 5*) 2 25
2014 24 2 3 35
2015 29 5 3 16

After Mullen's transitional class, he's taken two or three JUCOs per year; this is far from the Oregon State or Kansas State style of recruiting. MSU's classes are a bit bigger than average, but the maximum number of players recruited over any four-year span is 102, and with the JUCOs that's really 97 four-year players. Meanwhile MSU does not have the privilege of recruiting only guys who are definitely going to to make it. They have a natural attrition rate that does not involve axing guys on purpose.

As a result, the Bulldogs did not appear at all in Matt Hinton's 2013 edition of the oversigning index—Michigan did, with 87. MSU has in fact cut way down on signing class size under Mullen, partially because of SEC rules.

As far as the quality of those classes go, keep in mind that they're a bit overrated since any recruit gets you points and a higher percentage of Bulldog recruits flame out. That said, Mullen immediately and significantly improved MSU recruiting from a baseline dependent on even larger classes. MSU was 50th in Sylvester Croom's last class, 30th the year before with a whopping 35(!) recruits, and 40th in 2006. Mullen has bounced around a bit but has generally outperformed even without as much of a size bias in his favor.

He's done a great job of keeping Mississippi kids at home and has found many and varied diamonds in the rough.

Unfortunately it was impossible to find much about Mullen's reputation as a recruiter while at Florida since any relevant Google search is overwhelmed by articles about Florida hiring the guy to replace Muschamp.

CEO Stuff

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Diaz was good, and then he was not good.

Mullen helped Oregon find Chip Kelly since they were both New Hampshire bros—good call. Mullen's out of the box hire of Manny Diaz looked pretty spectacular as Diaz obliterated the Denard Robinson show in 2011, whereupon Diaz was hired by Texas.

Texas's defense did not perform and Diaz was eventually fired midseason so Greg Robinson could come in; Robinson did improve them significantly. Whether Diaz was really a problem or just a convenient scapegoat as the Mack Brown era slid to its country-club conclusion is unknown.

Mullen's current staff is a mix of guys he's known for a long time and guys plucked for no other reason than they seem like good ideas. Former Utah QB Brian Johnson is the QB coach; the OL coach is a guy who came with him from Florida; the TE coach is a former Ursinis teammate of Mullen who spent the last decade in the Ivy League. On the other hand, his DC is a guy who he hired from FIU in 2011 and he's got a few Mississippi dudes for recruiting purposes who he'd never crossed paths with before. Seems like a standard mix.

This is where a look at Mississippi State defenses goes:

[2008 again Croom.]

Year Team FEI S&P Plain YPP
2008 Miss. St. 51 92 51
2009 Miss. St. 72 38 77
2010 Miss. St. 12 22 48
2011 Miss. St. 28 33 13
2012 Miss. St. 59 43 56
2013 Miss. St. 25 14 58
2014 Miss. St. 11 6 62

This is a bit of an oddity, with the rankings that take SOS into account in high praise after year one (minus a blip in 2012) and the raw numbers less positive. This is where MSU's brutal league schedule shows up. At the very least he's done a good job to make the Bulldog defense competitive, and if you believe the advanced stats his defensive coordinator is a keeper.

Potential Catches

There are a few:

How much of his success is Meyer? It's difficult to separate Mullen's talents from Meyer's, as Urbs hasn't exactly fallen apart at OSU without him. But it's worth noting that Mullen's successor, Steve Addazio, was a disaster as Florida's OC and was canned after two years. And then you've got the six years at Mississippi State. The guy is not a Meyer creation.

Can he recruit at Michigan? Michigan fans are understandably wary after Rich Rodriguez brought in one Demar Dorsey for every Denard Robinson he acquired. I don't think this is much of a concern. Florida acts a lot like a Big Ten team in recruiting and Mullen came up through ND, BGSU, and Utah. He is a Pennsylvania native.

Rodriguez had barely left West Virginia during his career—two years each at Tulane and Clemson under Tommy Bowden—by the time he got to M and was shocked by the differences. Mullen will not be.

original[1]NCAA violations? Two things get brought up about Mullen: the Cam Newton thing and the sudden resignation of an assistant because of booster shenanigans. Newton was in the news because his father solicited money from MSU; the Bulldogs refused to deal with the go-between and reported it to the SEC.

More recently, MSU lost two scholarships in 2013 and got two years of probation when assistant coach Angelo Mirando knew about booster interference in the recruitment of a DB and did not act. In that case the NCAA directly stated that no one other than Mirando had knowledge of the wrongdoing; Mirando was fired as soon as it was known.

Neither of these is anything that would prevent Mullen's hire.

Public relations maybe not so much. There were two eyebrow-cocking events this year. In the first, Mullen vociferously defended a player of his who twice stomped on LSU players and was suspended as a result. This is par for the course for just about everyone, but it wasn't a good look.

The second and more recent event was Mullen asking a QB who had been committed to Mississippi State for months was asked to grayshirt. This caused his high school coach to go off on twitter about it. It's an issue, but Mullen is prohibited from telling his side of the story by NCAA rules, and this is much better than signing the kid and then going "whoops, we have no spot for you." Michigan has done it in the past; Ohio State just had a TE flip to Kansas without any idea of who the head coach even is. Sometimes you make a call on a kid and it's wrong and it's in everyone's best interest to part ways.

It is not having a kid get through summer school and then saying "whoops," as Les Miles did. Anyone advocating Miles is advocating much worse behavior in this department. Meanwhile the numbers above show MSU is not making a habit of cutting guys loose willy-nilly.

Does his wife pass the "THAT WOMAN" test? IE, would my mother refer to his wife as THAT WOMAN or regard her as a pal and a confidant? If she threw a party and invited everyone she knew, would she see that the biggest gift was from my mom and the card read "thank you for being a friend?"

I have initiated this test after Rita Rodriguez, who by all reports is a sweetheart, symbolized unbridgeable cultural differences between Rodriguez and Michigan, i.e. my mom, through no fault of her own.

I report that Dan Mullen's wife passes the test.

Would He Take The Job?

Mullen has to know that success at Mississippi State is a fragile thing and he would be well served to strike while the iron's hot. MSU remains the poorest athletic department in his division and will never, ever be able to compete in recruiting with most of the SEC. This is a situation much different than any of the other attractive sitting head coaches. He'd go.

Overall Attractiveness

Unless you're telling me guys who were apparently unavailable for Florida (Gundy, Stoops, Patterson, Shaw, etc.) are on the board for Michigan, Mullen is the strongest non-Harbaugh candidate by a mile.

The only guy who is even debatable is Les Miles, who I am leery of because of his age, his skeezy recruiting practices, the evident split in the alumni base about his suitability, and the lingering fear that he would run out of his batty Mad Hatter luck the instant he stepped on campus—because of course that would happen to us.

I get arguments in favor of Miles even if I don't agree with them; there is no reasonable argument that any other feasible option is more attractive than Mullen.

Comments

Brodie

December 4th, 2014 at 5:08 PM ^

you're ignoring so much context it is actually painful. Miami rose due to not having to play anything resembling a real schedule and changing demographic realities. Seriously, just look at who they played in their first national title season. It was an AAC level schedule and they lost to the only legit team they played. Oregon rode a very, very bad Pac-10 for several years and used that foundation to build something, Washington did the same in the 70's and 80's, Boise had an amazing run of completely unsustainable success that faded as soon as they moved to a better conference.

Mississippi State is having an incredible year in a legitimate division of a legitimate conference. Not even worthy of a comparison to those/

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 5:25 PM ^

If indeed Miami rose because of "changing demographic realities" then that would be yet another argument to stay in the south and way the hell away from the midwest.  I think it has more to do with coaching, personally.  Jimmy Johnson was an innovater and an elite coach.

Ditto for Oregon.  Belloti and  Kelly built that program up, winning with inferior talent, and with the help of Phil Knight have improved facilities now they can recruit with anybody. In Eugene fricking Oregon.  Now that is an interesting demographic reality.

The stories and circumstances vary, but the end is the same -- "nowhere" programs completely shift how they are perceived when they get excellent coaching.

It seems like Mullen has already turned the corner at Miss State.  It's not like Mike Riley struggling with inferior talent to make a bowl game.  He's going toe to toe with the very best (as Oregon did) despite a lower level of talent.  It's not hard to imagine what it looks like when that talent gap is narrowed or erased.

Brodie

December 4th, 2014 at 6:31 PM ^

between 1960 and 1990 Florida gained 8 million people. That is what I mean by changing demographic realities. A state doesn't go from being 10th in population to 4th without college football catching up... this also explains how Texas has gone from a two team state, like Michigan or Alabama, to a four team state like California and Florida, btw. Mississippi, fwiw, gained all of 120,000 people between 2000 and 2010.

Jimmy Johnson walked into a program that had already won a national title the year before.

Bellotti was able to build Oregon up using a particular offensive system, the one that turned guys like Akili Smith and Joey Harrington into huge draft busts, in a very down Pac-10. We all talk about how hard it is to win at Stanford and yet even they managed to win a Pac-10 title while Oregon was ascendant. Those years of winning plus money made them what they are... if Mullen can reel off several successive 10 win seasons and Mississippi State suddenly finds a Phil Knight, I can believe they can do it too. Neither of those things are likely to happen, though.

 

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 6:45 PM ^

I appreciate the demographics argument, and that certainly helped the southern schools -- which just begs the question of why Mullen would leave one to go north where things are tracking the opposite direction.  Mullen HAS access to florida and texas right now.

Your Pac10 is weak argument is soft considering the Rose Bowl history.  Bellotti changed offensive system a lot from Harrington to when Kelly came aboard.  Bellotti's turnaround was a lot more wholistic.  Oregon got better talent, better coaching, better facilities and then Kelly came on and kicked them up to the next level. (Schnellenberger/Johnson parallel Bellotti/Kelly in a million ways)

Mullen's been winning 7-10 games the last few years.  I think the expectation next year would be another 10-win year.  His new facilities are very much like Phil Knight/Oregon, though not quite at that level (YET). 

Oregon had a great coaching staff and a willingness to spend.  Miss State does too.  What Oregon didn't have (and still doesn't) is the geographic advantage that Miss has.

Just as Michigan State and Wisconsin can turn the tables on Michigan, Texas A&M can turn the tables on Texas, Florida can turn he tables on Miami, Ole Miss and MSU can turn the tables on Alabama and Georgia.

The current hierarchy is not etched in stone. It's an uphill battle at Miss State but Mullen's already climbed most of the hill.

snarling wolverine

December 4th, 2014 at 8:45 PM ^

Do you feel this way about every guy that wins 10 games out of nowhere? Should they all stay in place because they did it once? I know this is the internet and people on the internet get sucked into the silliest arguments ever, but there can be no possible way you can think that Mississippi State is a better job than Michigan.

alum96

December 4th, 2014 at 5:49 PM ^

You need to be less EMO on recruiting.  It is one thing UM still has = brand still matters.  In fact it is amazing how UM is recruiting considering the average 16 year old today has no idea that UM was every any good.

To put in perspective I looked at Les Miles classes vs UM's in the 10 years he has been down there.  Miles averaged a 9 ranking.  UM averaged a 11 ranking.  That is with transition years of Brady Hoke and Rich Rod. 

  LSU UM
2005* 22 6
2006 7 13
2007 4 12
2008* 11 10
2009 2 8
2010 6 20
2011* 6 21
2012 18 7
2013 6 5

Now maybe UM recruits get too much of a "bump" due to Michigan claiming them (i.e. a 3 star turns into a 4 star magically because he is a UM recruit) but thats an argument for another day.  UM has no issues recruiting.  None.  They should be top 5-15 annually with the type of classes they get.

Put another way - Oregon's average class rank since Carr retired is the same as Michigan's.  One is the second most winning program in CFB in that time.  The other is Michigan.

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 6:55 PM ^

I'm not really disputing this.  Michigan is pretty locked into that 5-15 range. BUT, we've seen what losing does (2010, 2011, and soon 2014) to those rankings.  It can change, and it's closely correlated to winning.

The thing is Mississipi State is not far off from being in the same ballpark.  Their current class is ranked #16 and it'll go up with more on-field success.  Furthermore, the JUCOs and SEC recruiting differences (oversigning or flat-out paying kids) give them a lot more flexibility to recover than Michigan gets.

I keep bringing up Oregon.  Around a decade ago Colin Cowherd was a local radio guy in Portland. I was listening to him on my commute and he infuriated me by saying the Oregon job was more attractive than the Michigan job.  I thought of all the same arguments (recruiting, history, prestige, fanbase, money, television - now irrelevant-, location, etc.) but Cowherd was right.  It was and still is a better job.

Miss State obviously isn't there yet, but he could be very soon.  He has done a lot of the leg work to build up his program to a very enviable position.

The recruiting ranking of today look different than the recruiting rankings of 10 or 20 years ago.  Some programs are going to be fixtures but there is always a dynamic of change.  The "well historically we are better" arguments just don't hold much water when so much has changed.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

December 4th, 2014 at 7:44 PM ^

You could have said the same thing about Oregon 5 or 10 years ago.

And Phil Knight money is coming to Mississippi State any minute now.

Also, you just called Michigan a downgrade from Mississippi State.  There's something deeply bizarre about that.

alum96

December 4th, 2014 at 5:54 PM ^

Shaw is viewed by most as riding Harbaugh's coattails.  Now that Harbaugh's players are graduating Shaw's 2014 team is flagging.  Maybe a year from now he changes that perception and goes back to 9-3 or so.  But unlike Les who took Saban's kid and won big, then did it again with his own kids, Shaw's history is not long enough to know if he can do it with his own recruits.

He also has a brand of conservatism in play calling that would make Bo and Lloyd look like gunslingers. 

He is also a Stanford alum.

tolmichfan

December 4th, 2014 at 9:02 PM ^

I have no clue what's going on with the coaching search, honestly I doubt anyone does. But I was emailing the AD through the year, to no avail. But the day they fired Hoke I emailed one more time telling them how disappointed I am at the decision they made. The theme of the email I received back was the next guy they hire will have all of the same values Hoke has instilled in this program over the last four years. I know a lot of emails you receive are stock emails, but they took the time to add some personal details to the last reply I got. I think we should prepare ourselves for a hire like Shaw. He fits the values the university is looking for, and a guy like cowherd has always had a lot of respect for Shaw. And I don't how tow to put this but hiring the first black head coach at Michigan is something I think Hackett would like to put on his "mantel".

umumum

December 4th, 2014 at 9:41 PM ^

man crush isn't a fair charcaterization.  Best realistic choice would be more apt.  If Harbaugh is out of the picture (and I put his likelihood at about 10%), then Miles and Mullens seem to be the top names who may be truly available (and even that may not be true).  I believe Brian is making the case for Mullens over Miles.  If that is the choice, then I agree.  Miles is older, sleezier and far from a rocket scientist.  Miles only has his Michigan pedigree going for him and (besides being devisive pick) I thought it was agreed to jettison the Michigan Man meme.

J.Madrox

December 4th, 2014 at 4:20 PM ^

You are entitled to your own opinion, and I, like most others on here are biased, but Michigan is a better job than Mississippi State. Does that mean Mullen would take the job if offered, no, but Michigan is a better job.

Is the SEC better, yes, but I think that is part of what makes Michigan a more appealing job. As far as programs go, where would Mississippi State rank in the SEC West alone? Behind Alabama and Auburn for sure, behind LSU (because of more recent success and recruiting) and A&M (because of recruiting advantages), probably behind Ole Miss in their own state. So perhaps ahead of just Arkansas. At Michigan he is at the second best program in the Big Ten, with more built in advantages than Mississippi State will ever have.

Again, he may just want to stay and not deal with the hassle of rebuilding Michigan and potential spread issues, but Michigan is a better job.

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 4:30 PM ^

Objectively, for someone like Stoops or Harbaugh, I agree Michigan is a better job.  But for Mullen, who has his program up and running in the south, it is not.

We can say it's better if we want. It's better because it's better therefore it is better. It's certainly conventional opinion and it's what the sportswriters say, but put yourself in Mullen's shoes and weigh the pros and cons. How much does history matter to you? Cut through the baseless opinions and focus on the current reality and it's very easy to reach a different conclusion.

 

 

BlueinOK

December 4th, 2014 at 4:54 PM ^

There's WAY better resources at Michigan. MSU will never have what Alabama, LSU, Auburn and Ole Miss have. His job isn't close to being the BEST in his division. 

At Michigan, you have everything you need to be at the top with Ohio State. He has to want this because it will be VERY hard to be the best of the SEC with the very tough division he's in. He's a smart guy. This all seems very obvious. 

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 5:03 PM ^

If you mean coaching pay, it's a dubious argument, as Brian himself has argued.  If you mean coordinator pay - maybe.

If you mean facilities...   http://www.hailstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=206326973

So, I'm not exactly sure what "resources" means in this context.

Ohio State's been ranked below Mississippi State for most of the year and would probably lose to them head to head.

Mullen is very close to the top of the SEC right now. He has his system up and running after a few years of installing it.  Once the recruiting tics upward with his facilities improvments and recent sucess...sky is the limit.

It seems obvious to me as well...  we are talking about hypotheticals and vague references to resources and ancient history vs. reality, right now, in this football season.

sLideshowBob

December 4th, 2014 at 5:02 PM ^

The current reality is that he will never beat Alabama, on or off the field, in any category.  Could he beat Ohio State, maybe.  The current reality is that he could cut through a bunch of mediocre teams in this conference with 1-2 challenges every year.  That has to be somewhat appealing to a realist no?

charblue.

December 4th, 2014 at 5:19 PM ^

that Michigan has an interest in Mullen, at least in terms of web speculation. Ole Mss fans would like to see him disappear so their school would have free reign in the state under their coach, who is the former high school coach of Blindside star Michael Ofer.

Alabama is the last word in the SEC, every other school is treading water. This is Mullen's year and it may not come again. And even MSU fans recognize the limitations of the football horizon in their world Debating whether a coach makes it or not is ludicrous because if he is good, he will succeed and motivate and you will see the results and he will win wherever he goes.

Mullen is a good coach who can fit in anywhere if you support his program. At Michigan, that's a question mark, taking a guy from a Southern school without longstanding credentials and asking him to be the savior with an offensive scheme that Michigan is not prebuilt to compete with. That's the Mullen issue, not his track record or achievement. Can he do it here in a timely fashion, meaning almost immediately. So, all the bias comes out to kill the buzz because of that fear.

And we all know RR could coach. Hell, he was unefeated here before the conference season started and beat ND with a freshman at qb when it had three NFL receivers and a practice squad qb playing against him.

carlos spicywiener

December 4th, 2014 at 5:44 PM ^

The Michigan job would be an improvement for the national-champion coach at Oklahoma, but not the heavily outgunned coach at MSU? All SEC jobs are the best in college football, despite James Franklin leaving Vandy for Penn State? I get dumber with every self-important post you try and string together.

UMaD

December 4th, 2014 at 7:04 PM ^

The Michigan job is not better for either guy, but Stoops may take it due to wanderlust or money or desire to come back to the midwest.

The Michigan job is better for Stoops than the MSU job, but not Mullen.

The MSU job is better for Mullen (than the Oklahoma or Michigan jobs), because he's built up that program in his own image and doesn't have to deal with transition costs there.  He doesn't have to wait for "his guys" or rebuild anything or face a bunch of pressure.

So to recap:

Best jobs for Mullen (1. MSU 2. Oklahoma 3. UM).

Best jobs for Stoops (1. Oklahoma 2. UM 3. MSU)

Others:

Best jobs for Rich Rodriguez  (1. Oklahoma 2. MSU 3. UM)

Best jobs for Harbaugh  (1. Michigan 2. Oklahoma 3. MSU)

MilkSteak

December 5th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

The reality is that coaches want to win championships. They're all in it to do that. With the new playoff system realistically you can only assume that one team from each power conference will make the playoffs, and the conference with a one or two loss conference champ will get no team in. 

I'd argue that Mullen may look at Michigan and the B1G and see an easy road to the playoffs. In the SEC he has to contend with football powers like Bama, Georgia, Florida, and the odd Texas A&M, Missouri,  or LSU team that happen to be exceptional that year. In the B1G, those teams become OSU, MSU, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. I know which teams I'd rather play. Add the resources and recruiting pull of Michigan, and I think he'd come.

 

Yinka Double Dare

December 4th, 2014 at 4:42 PM ^

Ole Miss is not the same thing as Mississippi State. That's like saying "well, Michigan draws recruits and Michigan State has great facilities so MIchigan State can do the same thing." Granted, Ole Miss is not exactly comparable to Michigan as a historical program, but Michigan State also has way more credibility historically than their MSU counterpart. But within Mississippi, Ole Miss is the "big brother". 

And both of them are pretty much permanently behind Bama, Auburn, LSU and aTm in recruiting pecking order.

Erik_in_Dayton

December 4th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^

Brian is saying that she symbolized the cultural divide between AA and Coach Rod's place of origin.  He's not saying anything is wrong with her. 

I said it was sadly appropriate because we've learned from the Rodriguez years that a coach's cultural background can, unfortuantely, be a problem in AA. 

FWIW, I like Coach Rod and always have. 

gbdub

December 4th, 2014 at 5:43 PM ^

Honestly I read it (and thought it was intended) to say more about Brian's mom, and the segment of Michigan fandom she represents, then it did about Rita. There was an unfortunate streak in the fanbase that never got over thinking of RR and his family as backwoods hicks, unsuited for the refined airs of Ann Ahhhhbor.

MGlobules

December 4th, 2014 at 4:35 PM ^

dropping it. Or fashioning it in a way that's less outright sexist. Stoops's wife, for example, is a businesswoman. Even if Mullen's wife is a conventional stay-at-home mom you can just talk about his family and the cultural fit--valid (how they are likely to be received and fit in in  A2)--rather than how other women are going to react to her at cocktail parties. Even most stay-at-home moms like to be known for a little more than that these days. Uncool.