Preview: Wisconsin 2017 Comment Count

Brian

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WHAT Michigan (8-2) vs
Wisconsin (10-0)
WHERE Camp Randall,
Madison, WI
WHEN Noon Eastern
November 18th, 2017
THE LINE Vegas: M +7.5
S&P+: M +9.9
TELEVISION FOX
TICKETS can be had
WEATHER high 30s, cloudy, slight chance of rain
15 mph wind

Overview

Hey, look: Wisconsin. Over there, being Wisconsin. Running the ball a lot. Getting by with a noodle-armed quarterback. Winning the Big Ten West with two games to spare. Having an infinite conveyor belt of linebackers unearthed from a pit in Green Bay, like Uruk-Hai. Some cornerback who wears a hoodie and only gets called for half of the interferences he interferes on.

It's Wisconsin. It has always been Wisconsin. It is currently Wisconsin. It will continue being Wisconsin until the sun expands. The end.

Run Offense vs Wisconsin

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If Olive Sagapolu isn't nicknamed "Savage Garden" i don't even know man

Wisconsin sports S&P+'s #1 defense and #25 rush defense, fresh off a thunder-mugging of Iowa that broke the system. S&P+ cannot calculate a percentile performance for 66 yards in a football game:

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So that seems bad. It is worth noting that this deep into the season one excellent defense won't distort your rushing numbers that much, and Wisconsin has played a bunch of jabronis. They've played on top-20 rush offense, and that's FAU. Purdue is the only team ranked higher than 36th on the schedule so far. Both of those teams are spread to run outfits that collectively averaged about 4 yards a carry—not great, not horrible.

Michigan enters with the #12 rush offense and an approach that Wisconsin has literally not seen all year except every day in practice. (Iowa is superficially a "pro-style" offense but an almost exclusively zone one.) Nothing Michigan does will catch the Wisconsin defense off guard, but it is possible they're not quite as good when their planetoid nose tackle is removed from the equation by a downblock two gaps away from the point of attack.

That planetoid is Olive Sagapolu, a 350-pound Samoan dude who specializes in being in a place and not leaving that place no matter how many offensive linemen and/or dump trucks are tasked with dislodging him. He does little in the box score—just 10.5 tackles on the year, or a game and a half for Mo Hurst—but fulfills his primary duty by keeping the interior linebackers clean. Rarely in the history of S&P+ stats has a team so embodied the idea of a two-gap 3-4. The Wisconsin DL is 119th in "havoc rate". Their linebackers and DBs are 1st.

So. Sagapolu allows ILBs TJ Edwards and Ryan Connelly to crunch interior runs. This usually happens at or near the line of scrimmage. The S&P+ stat picture* is one of a defense that's just okay at giving up the first few yards but is excellent at preventing chunk plays. Wisconsin will bleed you down the field a bit and get you into a passing down, where you're going to get clunked.

One potential issue for Wisconsin is the status of strong safety D'Cota Dixon, who missed the Iowa game and is listed as questionable on Wisconsin's weekly injury report. (Yes, Wisconsin has a weekly injury report. Harbaugh involuntarily shuddered just now and doesn't know why.) He was replaced by a walk-on, which sounds bad until you remember Wisconsin's history with walk-on safeties. Still, Dixon is a safety blanket for the front seven and his potential absence could loom large if Higdon or Evans busts into the open field.

Michigan should be able to move the ball some here. The current state of their rushing offense is probably understated by their #12 ranking; they've improved radically since early in the season. Harbaugh's shown almost nothing new on the ground since the split flow counter made its debut against Indiana and should have some tweaks in store that break tendencies and get guys in bad run fits. It'll be up to the running backs to see how big those plays actually get.

*[If you want the details: Wisconsin is 43rd—meh—in line yards allowed and in the 80s at stuffing short yardage and getting plays of 0 or fewer yards. They are outstanding at preventing big plays.]

KEY MATCHUP: HARBAUFFENSE vs ILB PLAY READING. Both ILBs are excellent at getting to where they need to be, and if Michigan just runs power they're capable of scraping over even a fairly bad blowout of a 3-4 DE. If Michigan can get those guys reading the wrong thing, or just get them hesitant, there will be gaps to the safeties.

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Pass Offense vs Wisconsin

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STOP WEARING HOODIES ON A FOOTBALL FIELD

This should be a disaster. Wisconsin's pass defense is 6th, and their pass rush is 5th. Michigan's pass protection is... 121st. I've been muttering about S&P+'s failure to comprehend just how dire the quarterback situation is in the Big Ten this year, but Michigan's passing game can be posited as a counterpoint only under the influence of strong hallucinogens.

Worse for Michigan and their diverse and sundry ways to fail to pick up a blitz is the sheer diversity of attackers Wisconsin will present. Seth:

Pressure: GERG or Greg? Dr. Blitz. I tracked their heat while doing the Maryland offense against them last week and the average first down attack was 4.49. Third down would look higher but they do sometimes leave just three.

As the platonic ideal of a college 3-4 Wisconsin’s three down linemen are not expected to bust through, though Iowa’s terrible OL managed to let them do so plenty. They’re built to disguise and threaten pressure from everywhere, with super-quick linebackers screaming in from anywhere and ruining your protections.

Well. Ffffuuuu. A whopping 14 different Badgers have sacks on the season; four different OLBs have 3.5 or more, and Wisconsin will load the field with those guys on passing downs, lifting some of their burly DL. Those guys will come from everywhere and Michigan will fail to pick them up. This is chiseled in stone at this point in the season.

I suspect that Wisconsin's corners aren't all that when exposed to real competition, but again it doesn't seem like Michigan qualifies. I have a deep-seated loathing for Wisconsin's top cornerback Nick Nelson, who is the kind of artless hack who interferes constantly and hopes the refs only call him for it three times in a game. Also he wears a hoodie. His attempts to shut down Simmie Cobbs were comical at best until he'd picked up his three PI flags and the refs stopped calling it.

That video excluded another obvious PI call on a hitch on third down; it went uncalled. That sent Tom Allen into an entirely justifiable sideline blood rage.

This is a Big Ten road game and DPJ is in the midst of a "welcome to college, rookie" hazing year, so expect Nelson to poleaxe DPJ repeatedly without a call. Some of these will be "PBUs," adding to Nelson's 18 on the year. Such is life. It'll be fun to see which NFL team has the worst CB scouting if he enters the draft.

The other returning starter, Derrick Tindal, is just a guy. In this game he is mostly going to be a guy not covering the one WR Michigan puts on the field.

Hopes here should be minimal. Wisconsin's ILBs are extraordinarily well-drilled in zones across the middle of the field. Michigan can't pass protect to save their lives, and Michigan is going to get boned on several PI calls. Maybe a max pro play action on an early down can pop DPJ open for a chunk; maybe Michigan has some tricks in the passing game they've accumulated over the past three weeks of walkovers. Maybe Grant Perry can do some work against slot corners if Michigan ends up pushed out of their ground-and-pound attack. Maybe.

What's certain is a rain of sacks.

KEY MATCHUP: DONOVAN PEOPLES-JONES HAND-WAVINGLY WIDE OPEN DEEP vs POOR DAMN DPJ. It will happen that a Wisconsin safety gets too nosy on first down and Michigan pops DPJ open for a post route with no safety help, and maybe this time someone will throw the ball to him.

Run Defense vs Wisconsin

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good, but how good?

Wisconsin running back Jonathan Taylor was committed to Rutgers for most of last year's cycle, and there's a hell of a counterfactual for you. At Wisconsin, Taylor has 1500 yards at 7 yards an attempt. At Rutgers he would have... not that. Taylor appears to be an actual difference maker, as well. Three other Wisconsin tailbacks have 192 carries between them and are averaging just 4.6 YPC. Some of those are undoubtedly late-game carries behind the second-team OL, but Bradrick Shaw is the #2 guy and has most of his work backing up Taylor; he's averaging just 3.9 yards a pop.

Also arguing in this same vein: Wisconsin's run game ranking is just 21st despite Taylor's season; since S&P+ drops garbage time carries that implies enough of the rest of the Wisconsin run game is dragging Taylor's output down during the competitive portions of contests. Seth scouted Taylor... somewhat hyperbolically:

How does a true freshman get a shield? If you know your Wisconsin running back history, I think Jonathan Taylor runs a lot like Anthony Davis, but will also charge through the line with the violence of Ron Dayne. He runs behind his pads like Terrell Fletcher, downshifts with the patience of P.J. Hill, has the one-cut vision of Corey Clement, keeps his balance like John Clay, can juke in a phonebooth like Michael Bennett, always falls forward like James White, stiffarms fools like Montee Ball, and has the instincts and athleticism to create his own gap, jet through it, and depants a safety that should immediately bring to mind one Melvin Gordon.

We'll see if he's Melvin Gordon or Ron Dayne over the next few years. The jury is still out. Some of it will come in this weekend.

Wisconsin's offensive line has an injury issue at center, where Tyler Biadasz is questionable. He was replaced by a very giant walk-on, Jason Erdmann, against Iowa and the downgrade was notable. Mo Hurst versus that guy would be a good matchup for Michigan. As for the rest of the Wisconsin OL:

If Biadasz can’t go, they could shift LT Michael Deiter back to center—Deiter was a star interior lineman the last couple of years but at tackle he’s Mason Cole minus a crucial notch of pass protection. The problem is like every other team in this conference they don’t have any viable OTs—RT David Edwards is Juwann Bushell-Beatty except not as consistent as a down-blocker—I ticked him for seven negative events in 20 pass plays versus Maryland’s crappy pass rush; very good Iowa DE Anthony Nelson turned Edwards-Beatty into silly-putty.

The guards are also 6’6” and Ben Bradenesque—RG Beau Benzschawel murders tackles and linebackers on downblocks and zone plays, and makes heady decisions when pulling. LG Jon Dietzen is a line-caver. The whole line is top-heavy and can be burled backwards.

Wisconsin will probably motion around in an effort to get Winovich on the strong side of a bunch of power plays. He's in for a challenge unlike any he's seen so far this year. He looks up for it, most of the time. Last week maybe not so much; if there's a weakness Maryland managed to expose is the gap between Winovich and Solomon/Mone/Furbush. Michigan probably knows this and will try to compensate, which opens up other stuff, and so forth and so on. Michigan should get enough negative plays to stall most drives.

KEY MATCHUP: HURST and OTHER DT vs DOUBLE TEAMS. Hurst is excellent but getting hammered on double teams is an occasional issue. The other guy... has been up and down, whether it's been Mone or Solomon. Michigan is going to defend a ton of power and getting a good start on the first line of defense will be crucial as M tries to shut Taylor down.

Pass Defense vs Wisconsin

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interception machine

This is too is a funhouse mirror version of a Michigan unit. Wisconsin is extraordinarily run biased, as you'd expect, running almost 80% of the time on standard downs. The results when this ground-based unit take to the air... uh, make absolutely no sense? Wisconsin is awesome on passing downs? And give up a ton of sacks? And throw a bunch of picks? And still come out pretty well overall? What?

It's true: Wisconsin has major pass protection issues despite the surprise nature of their attempts. They're currently 95th in sack rate allowed. This is bad. They are terrific on passing downs, converting almost 40% of the time—sixth nationally. Alex Hornibrook has 12 interceptions on just 206 throws. That 5.8% INT rate is much worse than John O'Korn's 4.3% and amongst the worst nationally. I dunno man. Bizarre.

Seth tries to explain:

The Hornibrook experience is particularly difficult to chart. Balls that would be filed “DO” (on the run, facing pressure, 13 yards downfield to a receiver with a defender draped all over him) might float so long that the cornerback has a chance to intercept, then like a puppy unused to frisbees the CB mistimes his jump and first down plus a chunk. There were a bunch of throws I filed “CA” that probably could have been MA but Fumagalli adjusts so well to balls a little behind his stride that putting it where he can win a box-out is a better idea than having the ball in the air longer.

Hornibrook is the same pop-gun arm he was last year but with an additional year of experience he's been able to make it work better.

He'll have to work a little harder this weekend. Wisconsin lost Jazz Peavy early in the season and recently added leading receiver Quintez Cephus to the injury list. Cephus was wildly efficient, with a catch rate near 80% and 17 YPC on about 20% of Wisconsin's targets. His replacements are small underclassmen. Sophomore AJ Taylor has 15 catches; freshmen Danny Davis and Kendrick Pryor have 19 between them. Davis had mostly gotten garbage time early but did have 4 catches for 78 yards in Cephus's stead last week. These gents top out at six feet talk and should be at a disadvantage against Michigan's man coverage, except when OPI happens, which it will constantly.

The main remaining threat is TE Troy Fumagalli, who gets just over a quarter of Hornibrook's targets and remains the kind of intermediate threat that NFL teams covert. He's been less successful this year as teams move resources towards him, losing about ten points from both his catch rate and success rate. His 8.3 yards per target is still fine, but not explosive.

Hornibrook isn't going to get many attempts in this game, and a huge swing in the outcome is whether or not Michigan can force some turnovers on those attempts, or at least get some field position wins by sacking him. Wisconsin's outside WRs will struggle to contribute; that passing down success should evaporate save various follies by referees.

KEY MATCHUP: HORNIBROOK vs SELF, ALSO PASS RUSH. How many times will he throw into coverage?

Special Teams

This should be pretty boring unless Quinn Nordin misses a field goal or there's a punt muff. Wisconsin kicker Rafael Gaglianone is 10/12 on the year on mostly short stuff. Punter Anthony Lotti is a bit of a dinker, averaging 40 yards a pop. Returns have been infrequent and unproductive for opponents.

Nelson returns punts. He's done little so far, averaging 6 yards a pop on 18 attempts. He's muffed twice. AJ Taylor returns kicks and also has zero notable returns and two fumbles to his name.

KEY MATCHUP: AHHH YOU PUT IT THROUGH THE UPRIGHTS AGAIN

Intangibles

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Cheap Thrills

Worry if...

    • Refs are "letting them play."
    • Michigan's ground game sputters against a fierce run defense.
    • There's a game winning field goal getting lined up from 38.

    Cackle with knowing glee if...

    • The open DPJ deep shot(s) are completed.
    • It turns out Wisconsin's offensive line ain't played nobody.
    • Hornibrook continues his interception festival.

    Fear/Paranoia Level: 6 (Baseline 5; +1 for Relying On Big Ten Refs To Call PI And OPI Right, +1 for Peters Under Siege, +1 for Also Dude Is Just Going To Get Rattled During First Actual Road Game, –1 for Ain't Played Nobody, –1 for More INTs Than O'Korn, –1 for Center Is The Worst Spot To Have An Injury, +1 for An Actual Run Defense Is New For Michigan).

    Desperate need to win level: 7 (Baseline 5; +1 for Winning Is Good, +1 for Annoying Streak About Beating Ranked Opponents On The Road, +1 for This Would Give Michigan A Thing They Did This Year That's Not Beat A Terrible Team, +1 for Outside Shot At Division Title Go Rutgers!, –1 for I Mean We Should Not Win This Game, –1 for Acceptance Of Rebuilding Game.)

    Loss will cause me to... build a bomb shelter in a week.

    Win will cause me to... cackle wildly as I consume several ounces of cheese carefully sculpted into terrified-looking badgers.

    The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict:

    Do you like football that looks like it is being broadcast on a cathode ray tube? Have I got a treat for you! This will be a series of thuds that don't go much of anywhere. The team that manages to break a big play in the passing game—on offense or defense—will be at an advantage.

    Wisconsin is likely to be that team because their pass protection is only bad instead of cataclysmic, but Hornibrook's interception festival gives Michigan its shot. Without a big earth-moving play in Michigan's favor the scales will slowly tilt in Wisconsin's favor as their passing game is spare and efficient despite protection issues instead of completely hamstrung by them.

    Finally, three opportunities for me to look stupid Sunday:

    • Michigan outrushes Wisconsin... sacks excluded.
    • Peters is sacked four times on 20 attempts.
    • Wisconsin, 18-15

    Comments

    bdneely4

    November 17th, 2017 at 3:12 PM ^

    about this game that makes me feel good.  I also believe that if it does not go well for us (meaning Wisconsin beats us up like Penn State did), next week may be even worse.  I hope I am wrong but it is hard to be real optimistic about our team this year.

    KC Wolve

    November 17th, 2017 at 3:16 PM ^

    Big game that will depend on play calling (maybe)? Can’t run twice into mountains and then drop back. It will get ugly early. Hopefully we see some early down passes and Peters completes them. I could see a lot of short passes early on to both get Peters a bit comfortable and to open up the run. Or....they will run Higdon on first and second down and get Peters killed on third and long. Who knows???

    Mongo

    November 17th, 2017 at 3:40 PM ^

    Popgun armed QBs will be exposed in 30 mph winds. Just got to stuff the run to stay in this game with a punchers chance. Go Blue !

    oriental andrew

    November 17th, 2017 at 3:40 PM ^

    "(Yes, Wisconsin has a weekly injury report. Harbaugh involuntarily shuddered just now and doesn't know why.)"

    Does that mean that Harbaugh shuddered when  the injury report was released? Or when you wrote it? Or every single time that sentence is read? 

     

    MGJS SuperKick Party

    November 17th, 2017 at 3:52 PM ^

    I just realized that Rutgers at one time had Saquan Barkley and Jonathan Taylor committed... I don’t know what is more impressive Rutgers having both and losing both, or these kids decision making skills...

    buddha

    November 17th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

    I hope this game will be close, but I fear it's going to be the opposite. This game means way more to Wisconsin than us - they are play for a potential playoff bid. Moreover, being the only marquee game on their schedule this season, a convincing win over Michigan would mean a lot, even if we aren't highly regarded in the pollsters minds (i.e. There's some gravitas to the victory).
     
    Additionally, for next week, the timing of this game sucks. Wisconsin is always a highly physical team, and they grind down opponents. In contrast, OSU is play Illinois...They might be playing flag football this week.
     
    Playing Wisconsin before OSU is a major bummer because - honestly - I don't think the bodies of UM players recover! I thought I read recently a B1G player being quoted as saying, "it takes weeks to heal from Wisconsin." I've never heard anyone say that about Illinois.
     
    However, I will cackle with glee if we can pull a win out on the road. To be totally honest, I think this team just needs a "good" win for self confidence. Moreover, and I may get negged for uttering this, I'm not sure if Harbaugh has brought a truly marquee win to the program yet. Yes, yes, yes...I understand the sh*t show he inherited so don't misinterpret my comment. I'm not suggesting to throw him out or anything like that. Instead, for a guy as uber competitive as Harbaugh, you know a win on the road against a top-10 team would mean a lot...
     

    Bodogblog

    November 17th, 2017 at 9:53 PM ^

    If Wiscy is dumb enough to be thinking of this being their big chance to convince voters, they'll be thinking less about what they need to do.  Chryst won't let that happen.  And M players don't care about OSU this week, they've got to play their game vs Wisconsin. 

    michgoblue

    November 17th, 2017 at 4:04 PM ^

    24-20.

    We match up fairly well in this one:

    1.  The strength of the Wisconsin offense, like all prior Winconsins, is their rushing attack.  Specifically, a ground and pound inside run game.  They have a depleted OL going up against Mo Hurst, Gary, etc.  In short, our defense lines up well to take away the entirety of the Wisconsin offense.

    2.  Wisconsin's passing offense is really weak.  And they have injuries to the WRs.  And a QB who likes to throw to players wearing non-Wisconsin jerseys.  Our secondary may be a bit suspect at the whole tackling thing, but they are good in coverage, and athletic, and should either completely shut down the Wisco passing attack or have the ability to create turnovers.

    Points 1 and 2 lead me to believe that we will hold Wisconsin in check.  They will move the ball some, and score a touchdown ot 2 (likely 2), but they will also stopped with regularity or held to FGs.  Hence, my 20 point preduction.

    3.  Michigan has a damn strong rushing attack.  Wisconsin's D is a scary thing and will likely shut us down to a large degree.  Maybe.  Wisconsin's stats are awesome, but they haven't played a single real team.  I still think that our size up front should test Wisconsin more than any other team that they faced.  

    4.  Our passing offense.  I get Brian's doom and gloom.  We can't pass protect and Wisconsin is really good at rushing the passer.  My hope here is based in Harbaugh.  He has had three weeks to scheme up some counters, trick plays and wrinkles that might force Wisconsin to adjust.  Get them off balance and perhaps that opens up the run and passing game a bit.  

    I know that points 3 and 4 argue for less than 24 points by us, but for some reason, I think that we win this game in a close one, setting up an awesome Game on 11/25 pitting 2 top-15 teams against each other.

    FlexUM

    November 17th, 2017 at 4:07 PM ^

    That all very much makes sense and those are the reasons I think UM has a shot I think I'm suffering from pessimism since I haven't seen that in real life on the road against a top team. IN fairness...it's hard to go on the road and beat top 10 teams so you really shouldn't see it often. 

    TrueBlue2003

    November 17th, 2017 at 5:47 PM ^

    that suddenly we'll be way better than we've been because Harbaugh. It's like, hey, we have Harbaugh, we're all of a sudden gonna be good!  But yeah, didn't we have Harbaugh for all the previous games?  And that's not so say they've done a bad job, it's just to say they've probably done as well as they could with the current QB, OT and WR situations.

    For the record, I think we could actually do something in this game.  We haven't seen what Peters can (or can't) do yet.  Maybe he has an O'Korn v Purdue game where he's straight dealing.  But that's probably our best bet: that we have a tail-end-of-the-distribution event in which Peters improbably hits a lot of tight windows facing pressure.

    I'm sure Harbaugh has done all he can for the passing offense.  And I'm sure they'll have some wrinkles like all decent OCs have had for us this year.  It's time for the players to make some plays.

    M-Dog

    November 17th, 2017 at 6:13 PM ^

    Have we ever seen anything that says that Harbaugh is a master of surprise kind of guy that unveils well-hidden new schemes and trick plays at the end of the season?

    That's not him.

    He's an incremental improvement guy . . . as he says himself: "get 1% better, get 1mph faster."

    He's not hiding a bunch of game-winning plays. 

    If we win it will be because the OL and RBs finally pick up some timely blitzes, or Peters fianlly connects to a single-covered WR deep.

    We will win because we've improved, not because we got tricky.

     

    FlexUM

    November 17th, 2017 at 4:04 PM ^

    I'd say UW 27-10. UW will get ahead by 10 or so points and michigan just won't be able to grind out anything and the game will stick at 17-3 before michigan gets there one and only touchdown to make it 17-10 and just as we feel hope UW starts bulldozing UM and has a few big pass plays and finishes the game 27-10. 

    Hope I am way off. 

    Kwitch22

    November 17th, 2017 at 4:57 PM ^

    I told my wife this, tomorrow will be like two caveman playing paper, rock, scissors, without paper or scissors being invented yet. So basically two rocks pounding into each other, now she believes I am a bigger idiot than she did before. 

    TrueBlue2003

    November 17th, 2017 at 5:52 PM ^

    great way of putting it.  They literally could not do anything on offense (like we probably won't be able to tomorrow).  Hopefully we get a TO or two like they did, convert to a TD, have them miss a few FGs such that we're at least within a score until the end, despite giving up more than twice the total yardage and scoring opps.

    CompleteLunacy

    November 17th, 2017 at 5:13 PM ^

    Our offense sputters quite a lot, but I think Harbaugh will mix in enough frippery to move the ball to the Wisconsin side of the field more often than not.

    The question becomes...can Nordin become the reliable guy he was at the start of the season? It's not just about a game winning kick...there might be multiple FG attempts in this game, and any miss will become bigger than it has been in recent weeks. And they're not going to be chip shot attempts...I'm guessing there'll be at least a couple 40+ yard attempts. Whatever yips he has had recently, we had better hope he figures something out.

    The other question is...can Peters have enough success to get Michigan one or two TDs in this game? He will surely look like a freshman on the road for the first time for much of the night...but he needs to be able to have one or two moments in this game where he rises above and makes some plays agianst a stout D. 

    Third bullet...turnover battle. I think Peters has at least one pick Saturday, so let's hope it can be mitigated by the defense and they grab one or two TOs themselves at some point. And let's hope the RBs have fully shedded their early-season fumbleitis. If M loses the turnover battle by more than 1, they will lose. 

    I think this game will be close. I still think Wisconsin wins. I hope I'm wrong.

     

    NateVolk

    November 17th, 2017 at 7:39 PM ^

    Don't see how we can get enough passing game to loosen up the run game. They blitz so intelligently. We struggle so much in pass protection against diverse pressure. Sacks, hopeless throws by a spooked young quarterback. Over and over.

    With Brown's Defense, 17 would win it I think.

    Turnover or ST play to direct score with no offense necessary, we can get there. Turnover or ST play deep in their end, more remote but we can get there.

     

     

    Bigly yuge

    November 17th, 2017 at 8:06 PM ^

    As the great Chris Berman used to say after an upset, “That’s why they play the games”. Yeah, Wisconsin looks good, but all it takes is an early spark to ignite a fire under our guys. If we can make Wisconsin throw the ball more than they are accustomed to, I believe our Wolverines can win. The defense will keep us in the game. The pressure is on the offense. If we can establish a decent run game and keep Peters upright we really have a good shot to win. Keep the faith and GO BLUE

    bronxblue

    November 17th, 2017 at 8:03 PM ^

    One thing I will say is that a decent number of Wisconsin fans really do think they are elite because of how they've dominated the West, which could well be the worst division in P5. Michigan may lose tomorrow, but I am 100% confident that Wisconsin will get blown out by any team with competent blocking.

    TheCool

    November 17th, 2017 at 10:04 PM ^

    The MSU game taught me that our offensive coaching staff cannot be trusted to "open up the playbook" or call some crative plays at the right moment. Long story short, they ain't been saving plays or designing counters to catch future opponents off guard and we won't test UW deep. 

    UW 21 UM 10

    Our D gets worn down because the offense can't do jack. I hope I'm wrong.

    lebriarjr

    November 17th, 2017 at 10:21 PM ^

    When UofM schedule came out, I predicted UofM would lose to Whiskey in Madison. But since Harbaugh and Co got smart and put in Peters in at QB I been more confident in UofM chances in winning a close game. I think Harbaugh will open up the play book up because they don’t have a choice and win. 17-14 UofM.