Preview: Ohio State 2017 Comment Count

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WHAT Michigan (8-3) vs
Ohio State (9-2)
WHERE Michigan Stadium
Ann Arbor MI           
WHEN Noon Eastern           
November 25th, 2017
THE LINE Vegas: M +12           
S&P+: M +10.3
TELEVISION FOX
TICKETS can be had
WEATHER around 40, 5% chance of rain, 15 mph wind

Overview

Ohio State lies on the shores of Lake Superior and was founded as a halfway house for drunken vicars, wayward beaver trappers, and all manner of other ne'er-do-wells in the wildernesses of 18th century Western Ontario. In the intervening years, little has changed.

Run Offense vs OSU

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Michigan's thunderous run of face-mashing came to an abrupt halt last weekend against Wisconsin, when Karan Higdon and Chris Evans managed 45 yards on 18 carries between them. Wisconsin is very, very good and Ohio State has been more prone to weird breakdowns, but that's an ice-cold bucket of water on hopes that Michigan had accomplished anything on the offensive line this year.

Now Michigan gets the #2 rush defense in the country. The #1 line yards D; the #3 success rate D. If Michigan had had a middling to good day against Wisconsin you could squint and project that something good might happen. As it is, not so much unless you want to hang your hat on games against Oklahoma and Iowa. That is your choice. I do not recommend such an approach.

What hope exists is mostly dependent on getting OSU's linebackers in the wrong place. OSU's leading tacklers this year are safeties Jordan Fuller and Damon Webb. This is usually not a great sign for a defense—although OSU seems to be coping just fine—and S&P is registering "successful" plays on approximately 60% of those tackles. The linebacker unit is in flux, with MLB Chris Worley moving back out to the spacebacker spot that he's manned for most of his career and TUF BORLAND emerging as the middle linebacker.  That is not a panacea and it's possible that Michigan's various attempts to get linebackers batting at air will be much more effective Saturday than they were against Wisconsin. 

Also a potential help: Ohio State has simplified what they're trying to do after the Iowa game and that might help Michigan's line calls from being as disastrous as they were against Wisconsin. They're a 4-3 over that is fairly similar to MSU's, and Michigan's run blocking in that game was quite good. Whether good blocking is actually enough to move the ball depends on how aggressive OSU is willing to get with their safeties and if Michigan can put an opposing player in the wrong spot.

Also... Michigan might be facing slightly better players on the opposition DL. It is a vague possibility.

KEY MATCHUP: CONFUSIN' STUFF vs FOLKS LIABLE TO BE CONFUSED.

[Hit THE JUMP for... actually don't hit the jump. Nevermind.]

Pass Offense vs OSU

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In a word, nope. Michigan's gestures at Brandon Peters availability a week after he was apparently knocked out on the field are probably more gamesmanship than reality. Scattered mutterings about Wilton Speight maybe getting back are probably in the same category; of late there's been more concern for his career than optimism about his availability. In all likelihood, it's John O'Korn starting against Ohio State.

If that's not enough to turn your stomach, it's the country's #118 sack rate allowed versus the #30 sack rate. That likely understates the OSU line's ability to get to the quarterback. If you've tuned into OSU games this year you've seen just about every opponent gameplan around the fact they can't protect their quarterback, throwing a blizzard of (generally ineffective) WR screens and other quick stuff, like those insta-fades at Simmie Cobbs in the opener. OSU's DL is #1 in havoc rate. It will create havoc against a plainly substandard Michigan OL.

What blips of hope exist are largely because of the Iowa debacle, where OSU's defense was constantly out of position against regular-ass Iowa stuff. Unfortunately, OSU's had a month to identify and fix those issues, which never seemed like long term problems to begin with. Ross Fulton:

Ohio State had even more systematic problems against the pass by being confused in their coverage schemes. Iowa offensive coordinator Brian Ferentz often used spread formations such as trips with base 12 personnel to get advantageous matchups against the Buckeyes’ man coverage. Ohio State’s back seven rarely knew how to align in response.

Most problematically, the Buckeyes were frequently trying to check to different coverages as Iowa was shifting and using motion – checks that often left the Ohio State defense – particularly their linebackers, confused in their assignments. ... the Buckeye back seven simply looked lost – as if they did not practice all week as to how to align against a 12-personnel team.

One week later OSU faced MSU, the closest thing to Michigan's offense this year's Big Ten possesses, and held them to under 200 yards in a 48-3 whomping. Brian Lewerke averaged 3.6 yards an attempt and threw two interceptions.

Michigan can't protect, it's playing a third string quarterback, the only receiver to have any impact over the last few weeks is a true freshman, and they're playing a program that has been preparing for this game all year. Michigan will get a couple things here and there like the Gentry and Hill completions against Wisconsin as they diagnose some likely holes in OSU's coverage; passing downs will be a disaster, and there will be several of them.

KEY MATCHUP: NOT IN THE FACE vs YEP, IN THE FACE.

Run Defense vs Ohio State

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This is annually an elite rushing offense and this year is no different. OSU is 2nd in S&P+, and #1 in the country at success rate. JK Dobbins, JT Barrett, and Mike Weber are all averaging at least 6.7 yards a carry. Whee!

When OSU has slight struggles it's because opposing rush defenses are able to force Barrett into a ton of carries on zone read plays. One of the hallmarks of OSU's rare losses are box scores featuring as many or more Barrett runs than RB carries. Barrett had 18 attempts against Oklahoma; RBs got the ball just 16 times. Barrett had 14 carries against Iowa; running backs got just 15 attempts. When things are going badly for Ohio State, the tiny slice of Buckeye twitter that I follow is usually typing something along the lines of "it's the third quarter and JK Dobbins has 4 rushes for 71 yards." And... uh... yeah, good point.

Part of that is the nature of the Ohio State offense. Option football does let the opponent dictate who carries the ball. In OSU's case that's usually dictating who carries the ball five or more yards downfield—even in their losses OSU averaged 4.9 and 5.4 yards a carry—but dumping 80% of the offensive load on Barrett seems to get the rest of the offense disjointed and withers the OSU passing game. Barrett averaged just 5.6 YPA in OSU's two losses; he threw five of his seven picks in those games.

OSU has correspondingly focused on ways to muck with the opposition's ability to force a Barrett keep. The Barrett:RB ratio against MSU was 9:33, and Barrett had just five carries in OSU's walkover of Illinois. They will continue in this vein against Michigan; last year OSU started off with a couple of new outside runs that got Michigan blocked to the safety for a couple of chunk plays. M was able to adjust and turn the game into a slog afterwards, but this defense hasn't been quite on the level of last year's.

The line more or less has, and that's where the battle will be won or lost for Michigan. The key player in this game is Michigan's seventh member of the front seven, whether that's Mone, Solomon, or Furbush. If that guy can win against single blocking and Michigan can shut down OSU's inside zone without dedicating extra guys to it, there's just enough to downshift the OSU defense into rockfight Michigan can win.

If it goes more like it did against Penn State, woe, dolorous woe. Because while the matchup superficially looks just like the one Michigan more or less dominated a year ago, you have one and a half starters at every DL spot—or at least you should. Michigan has nothing resembling the depth they did a year ago and a third and short conversion is bad news for them in both the short and long term. Michigan's path to victory here requires the defensive line obliterating the OSU OL. While they should win that matchup, they probably won't be able to win it enough.

KEY MATCHUP: As above, it's MONE/FURBUSH/SOLOMON vs BEING THE HOLE IN THE DIKE MICHIGAN CANNOT FILL WITHOUT FATALLY COMPROMISING THE REST OF THE DEFENSE.

Pass Defense vs Ohio State

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OSU's passing offense has been wildly inconsistent, but Barrett and a bunch of defenses focused on the run game has been enough to get them to 21st in S&P+. The game to game picture is wild.

Barrett faced Iowa coming off a bravura 33/39 performance against Penn State in a comeback win during which it often seemed like Barrett was the only OSU player who actually wanted to win. The Hawkeyes intercepted him four times and left him baffled on the rest of his throws. The next week against MSU he had 183 yards on just 21 attempts, two touchdowns... and two INTs. Those three games and Oklahoma (183 yards on 35 attempts) are the only OSU games against pulse-bearing opponents, and they paint a strange picture.

Michigan will hope to land on the vicious interceptions side of the spectrum; to do so they will have to heat up Barrett more than most opponents have. OSU's pass protection has turned around this year; they're 30th in adjusted sack rate allowed. In context that's more "meh" than legitimately good, but raise your hand if you'd do something profane if you could make Michigan's pass protection "meh." That's everyone. Right tackle Isaiah Prince was a huge train wreck last year; this year he's showing up on PFF lists as a good player. Michigan will hope that much of that is an artifact of the opposition and he has just as hard a time checking Gary and Winovich as he did Charlton and Wormley a year ago. That's not the worst bet you could make.

Michigan will also hope to get a dismal performance from Ohio State's drop-prone receivers. Coached by money-stealing doofus Zach Smith and apparently unfamiliar with the invention of the jugs machine, OSU receivers have made a bunch of bogglingly bad plays. Since they're still scholarship D-I players those come in bursts and disappear from time to time. One hilariously dropped touchdown would be welcome, and this is a game where I'm perfectly happy to make Barrett try to hit slot fades.

The biggest dangers OSU presents here are RPOs, which have become an increasingly large chunk of the offense as the year goes along, and slot/spread H Parris Campbell in space. If Michigan approaches RPOs the same way they have this year it'll take Hudson or McCray holding their water and dropping into the slant to prevent an easy completion—a task easier said than done against an offense like OSU's. Michigan has gotten incrementally better at this as the year has gone along.

Campbell is not a tactical issue.  Michigan just needs to tackle him. Campbell's capable of taking a dink throw and breaking it into a huge gain. Despite mostly being targeted short, Campbell leads OSU's non-garbage-time crew with 11.5 yards a target. Tyree Kinnel's occasional issues here could result in a big chunk Michigan can't afford to give up.

KEY MATCHUP: GARY AND WINOVICH versus OSU TACKLES. Must arrive early and angry.

Special Teams

Michigan might as well put a potted plant back to return punts. Sophomore Drue Crisman has had one of his 33 punts returned and has a 19:3 inside 20 to touchback ratio. He's also averaging 44 yards a kick. JFC. Kicker Sean Nuernberger is 13/15 on the year.

OSU hasn't gotten much from their return units this year. KJ Hill is a bit of an odd choice as a punt returner and has just 3.5 yards an attempt on 19 returns; Parris Campbell is much more dangerous as a kick returner, with a 37 yard average on 9 cracks.

KEY MATCHUP: AHHH YOU PUT IT THROUGH THE UPRIGHTS AGAIN

Intangibles

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Cheap Thrills

Worry if...

  • Michigan attempts to pass or run.
  • The defense wears down late.
  • Alex Malzone plays.

Cackle with knowing glee if...

  • JT Barrett has 15 carries by halftime.
  • Also he throws two pick sixes.
  • There are no seconds left and Michigan is ahead somehow.

Fear/Paranoia Level: 9 (Baseline 5; +1 O'Korn Vs Ohio State, +1 for Behind That OL, +1 for Against A Defense That Already Had Its Manball Wakeup Call And Decimated The Next Guy, +1 for We Always Have The Worst Luck In Competitive OSU Games, +1 for I Would Like To Revisit Point #1,  -1 for Maybe Someone Knows Something I Don't And That's Why The Spread Is Only 12?).

Desperate need to win level: 10 (Baseline 5; +5 for The Game.)

Loss will cause me to... get in a fight with some idiot in my twitter mentions.

Win will cause me to... be happy.

The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict:

Pretty much the only thing Michigan has going for it is the "throw out the record books" stuff where rivals will store up an entirely different way of being for the final game of hatred. I don't see how that tilts towards Michigan with OSU coming off a drubbing of Illinois and an (admittedly hilarious) hamblasting of MSU; the last time OSU had to put anything new on film was probably the first quarter of that game. Michigan is coming off a road loss to Wisconsin. If they had much in their quiver they didn't show it.

The defense should be able to hold up in most ways since Don Brown has undoubtedly spent a ton of time prepping for this game over the last few weeks of non-QBs, but it won't take much for Ohio State to have a seemingly intractable lead. OSU will be able to sustain a number of drives; paired with Michigan three-and-outs the Hoke-esque valiant effort followed by a fourth quarter crumble seems inevitable.

Offense? Don't talk to me about offense.

Finally, three opportunities for me to look stupid Sunday:

  • O'Korn has more completions than sacks taken. Barely.
  • Barrett throws an ugly pick that keeps Michigan in it through halftime.
  • Ohio State, 28-10.

Comments

RJWolvie

November 24th, 2017 at 8:20 PM ^

Step 1) start beating and stop losing to middling teams
2) start closing the gap between the you and the top teams, but you will still lose games you should based on game-play have won (the Mickey Redmond theory)
3) then you start winning some & then many of those games, and now you’re the top dog

(Mickey also says that toward the end of these positive runs, you still win some games that you should by all rights lose based on play, then you start dropping them, and that’s when slumps begin)

Baffin

November 24th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

The vast expanse of Ontario along the shores of Lake Superior is considered Northern Ontario. The University of Western Ontario is in London, way down south, just a couple hours from Detroit. It doesn't make sense but there ya go. 

Beat Ohio.

M-Dog

November 24th, 2017 at 1:35 PM ^

It's time.

It's time for us to win a game we have no business winning.

It's time for us to play a game that is nothing like us.

It's time for us to win an ugly, stupid game based on missed field goals and dropped passes and special teams hijinx and fumbles and interceptions and bad calls.

It's time for us to have one of those "Where the hell did that come from?" geeked out of our minds games that MSU has against us, or Penn State has against OSU in white out games, or Iowa has at Kinnick.

Are these kinds of games one-off aberrations?  Absolutely.

But they happen often enough that they are an actual thing.  We've seen 'em with our own eyes.

They do happen.

It's time for us to have one of them.

It's time.

 

Shop Smart Sho…

November 24th, 2017 at 1:28 PM ^

My only hope is that my mother and I bring some amazing karma to the game, as we're going for the last time. After this game, we're giving up the season tickets our family has had for 40+ years. I feel like that deserves an upset win.

btn

November 24th, 2017 at 1:45 PM ^

The only hope I have is that for the first time in a long time Michigan has RBs with breakaway speed, can punish a defensive breakdown. Going to need more than 3 quarters from the defense in a big game..

stephenrjking

November 24th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^

I felt better before 2015 than I do now. My usual week of watching hype videos and scouring for detail on the game is... not that. I hate feeling like this before what should be the best rivalry in sports. 

I expect it to be awful. Dispiriting. Like too many of the games we've played against them over the last 10 years. 

Is there a chance? Sure. College football is weird. Things could go right. A key turnover. The team has hope. Whomever trots out at QB makes a couple of great, if flukey, passes. Nordin nails a game winner. My feelings are not necessary for this to happen; I really wanted to skip watching Michigan as a 17-point dog get sacrificed to future national champion OSU in 1996, but I stuck it out and it paid off.

But it's not likely, and given the headwinds the team faces on offense, nobody should be surprised if things go badly. This is an offense that can't get to 20 points against the best teams we play, so why be panicked when it happens again? Critical thinkers won't be. But then, critical thinkers won't be spending a lot of time on this board tomorrow if things go as expected. 

But it means nothing for the progress of the team next year.

kehnonymous

November 24th, 2017 at 1:56 PM ^

If there's one thing to hang our hats on, it's that the talent differential between us and them is smaller than it was in 2013 when we inexplicably went supernova on offense for almost long enough.

stephenrjking

November 24th, 2017 at 2:05 PM ^

2013 wasn't totally inexplicable. First, Borges was capable of some good game plans, even if the team was frequently incapable of executing them. Second, and most importantly, Devin Gardner was known to be capable of briliant play; we had seen it before, and he played the game of his life. 

I don't think we have a QB who can do that. I tend to think higher of Speight than many on this board, but even if he were to be healthy and ready and play, he has never played at the level Gardner played at his peak.

DoubleB

November 24th, 2017 at 2:19 PM ^

Vegas knows what it's doing. There's a reason the line is only 12. Some of that is Michigan at home, but I think a lot of is Michigan's defense is damn good. 

I don't think Michigan will win, but I do think they will keep it close. Defense will contain OSU offense and Barrett. I think drives will be extended by O'Korn's legs. I expect something similar to Wisconsin without the special teams score.

Mongo

November 24th, 2017 at 1:59 PM ^

family, friends and football. Going in a realist, but still going to sing that fight song and cheer them on. Go Blue !

BTB grad

November 24th, 2017 at 2:02 PM ^

Ya know I felt the exact same way about this game that I felt in 2013 and 2015... the big difference being we had capable QBs those years.

 

Loaded up the cooler with some 7+% brews. Let's get this over with.

gtwill

November 24th, 2017 at 2:04 PM ^

...I’ll be there. Bringing my two daughters. We will cheer for Michigan and then head to my brother’s house in Ann Arbor. It will be a good day. Then I will religiously read this blog for the five star commits over the next two months.

Optimistic? Always. Our vector is still pointed up. The slope isn’t as high as we want, but it’s trending up. We fix the OL in the off-season, this team will be great.

M-Dog

November 24th, 2017 at 2:24 PM ^

It doesn't look promising, but we have won games before against Ohio State on the backs of our defense and special teams.

There is precedence.

Here are the offensive stats from an Ohio State game that we actually won: 

42 net rushing yards on 42 carries. 

No completions to the receiving corps except a single 37 yard non-TD completition in the 2nd quarter. 

Only one TD on offense, on a short carry.

No field goals.

That's it.  That was the entire offense.

We won that game.

Those are stats worse than the dreadful offensive stats we just had against Wisconsin.  Yet we won the game.

What improbable Michigan-Ohio State game was this?

1997 Michigan-Ohio State.

The one that launched us to a National Championship.  The one that had Charles Woodson leaving the field with a rose between his teeth.

We have done this before.

 

Der Alte

November 24th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^

Andre Weather's pick-six, le Grand Charles' punt return for a score and, among other plays, his key interception in the end zone late in the game. M won that game because of a rock-solid defense and a defensive back whose performance on both sides of the football cemented his claim for the Heisman. In that game, Charles proved the truth of the old saw about "Great players step up in big games."

Unfortunately that key element from 1997 won't be out there tomorrow, but we still look for our guys to give it their best. 

Chork

November 24th, 2017 at 2:20 PM ^

Bad JT will show up and OSUs linebackers can be passed on all day by tight ends and full backs. Write it down. Once OSU gets flustered it’s JT left, JT right, pass punt. Wash, rinse, repeat.

evenyoubrutus

November 24th, 2017 at 2:34 PM ^

Part of the reason last year's loss was so devastating was that we all knew what was coming for this year. Last year was a right now year and this year is undoubtedly a rebuilding year. We lose an unprecedented number of starters, they get the majority back. Imagine how different we'd all feel right now if only we had freaking beaten them last year.

robpollard

November 24th, 2017 at 2:49 PM ^

The baseline expectations for this year were 9-3. It is extremely likely we won't reach that. There are good reasons  (e.g., injuries), but it still doesn't excuse or take away the sting of losing to a just pretty good, young MSU team at home. We were outplayed, and more worringly, outcoached in that game.

If we had beat MSU, we would have met expectations, maintained a second straight year over our second biggest rival, and gone to a New Year's Florida bowl. Now? We're staring a bitterly disappointing (if mostly understandable) season in the face.

Squash34

November 25th, 2017 at 3:20 AM ^

I find it really, really hard to say anytime is outplayed and out coached when you lose the to battle 5-0 and still are driving to win at the end of the game. It us not like we are talking about a situation were all the to were because the opposing team made an incredible play and the opposing team went the whole game without fumbling. There were 5 fumbles that Gane, 2 for Michigan and 3 for MSU, MSU got all of them. One of MSU fumbles was late in the game on third down and was actually picked up and and advanced for a first down, which really boned Michigan by chewing clock and killing any chance to win at the end. There was also two tipped passes in that Game that were both caught, one tipped by a MSU defender and one by a michigan defender, like the fumbles MSU got lucky bounces right to their guys. If the roles were reversed and Michigan beat msu by four and needed to stop a last second drive, while having that good of TO luck winning, the TO battle 5-0, people would say we got out played and out coached and we're lucky to win. And they would be right. When you get every fortunate bounce, leading to 5 to you should win going away. When you don't it is a sign you were outplayed and needed the lucky bounces.

Bando Calrissian

November 24th, 2017 at 2:34 PM ^

Feels like this is going to be one of those afternoons where we watch yet another frustratingly effective Ohio State quarterback drop back and then highstep it to the sideline untouched for 10-12 yards at a time. Rinse and repeat.