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By Brian — October 26th, 2012 at 12:39 PM — 96 comments
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Previously here: Ace FFFF! jonvalk wallpaper.

0d_1_2[1]Essentials

WHAT Michigan vs Nebraska
WHERE Memorial Stadium
Lincoln, NE
WHEN 8:00 PM EST
October 27th, 2012
THE LINE Nebraska -2
TELEVISION ESPN2
WEATHER cloudy, dry, around 40

 

Is that corn in your pocket or… oh, I see. It's corn.

Run Offense vs Nebraska

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COME TO NEBRASHHHHKA STATTE

Last week Michigan kept its head above water against an excellent run defense on the strength of two big gains. One of them came when MSU's crappy defensive tackle got creased on a run blitz. The other was a quarterback draw late when Michigan State backed off, uncharacteristically, and paid for it. With those two runs, Michigan crested 5 YPC against a top ten—maybe top five—defense. Without them, they barely exceeded 3 YPC.

Is that good? Bad? Ah hell I don't know. Denard is Denard and will rip off big gains if you keep feeding him the ball, and Toussaint's big run is the kind of thing that happens to super aggressive defenses when they get creased (and a walk-on WR gets his block on). In the end, 5 YPC is fair. Nard gonna Nard.

The good news is that Nebraska's defense is emphatically not Michigan State's.

Opponent Att Yds TD YPC
UCLA 51 362 0 7.1
Wisconsin 37 96 3 2.6
OSU 46 379 6 8.2
Northwestern 37 182 2 4.9

Except when it is sometimes I guess? Nebraska blew it badly on one 80-yard Venric Mark touchdown. Other than that, Northwestern muddled along at about the same rate Wisconsin did. In half of Nebraska's games against BCS competition, they're Michigan State. In half, they're roadkill.

If there's a pattern you can draw from four games, it's spread 'n' shreds leaving tread marks all over the Cornhusker D. UCLA QB Brett Hundley is a run threat (9 carries for 66 yards) and opened Jonathan Franklin up for a 216-yard blitz. Braxton Miller almost cracked 200 himself and opened it up for Carlos Hyde to hit 140. Though not included in the table above, even winless Southern Miss saw quarterback Anthony Alford hit 84 yards on 15 carries… before getting pulled because he was also 1 of 5 for six yards. The Eagles hit 4.6 YPC on the day.

In a bizarre move, Northwestern all but abandoned the Kain Colter running game in favor of having Trevor Sieman throw 35 times, so they fit more in the Wisconsin mold than UCLA/OSU:

Nebraska made it very clear that they'd sit back in man free all game, and the Wildcats tried to beat them over the top time and again even though the Husker corners were locking down the Northwestern wideouts and quarterback Trevor Siemian lacked accuracy on his deep ball. The Wildcats threw 37 times and ran 38 times despite (1) playing against an awful run defense, and (2) holding a lead for most of the game.

WTFitz. Nebraska did hold Colter down on his few carries, FWIW.

Will Nebraska be able to do the same to Denard? Well… I'm doubtful. Ace saw Nebraska blitz twice in the first half and lay back in a bend-but-don't-break shell, likely because the shell-shocked Huskers were going back to basics after the OSU debacle. Nebraska's safeties, like Michigan State's, are active hitters in the run game, though, so if they're lining up nine yards off the LOS and coming down hard in an effort to replicate MSU's gameplan, trouble may ensue.

Emphasis on "may"—MSU's aggressiveness was effective instead of disastrous because Denicos Allen and Max Bullough are fast as hell and the MSU safeties are pretty good, as well. Nebraska only avoided a couple of long Denard Robinson touchdowns last year because Lavonte David played the same role as the MSU linebackers did last week: guy who makes shoestring tackle just as you're standing up to yell "GOOOOOOOOO." Lavonte David's not around anymore, and the Nebraska LB corps misses his athleticism. They're not bad—except when they are of course—but if a gap gets vacated or the sideline is tested they are less likely to be able to mitigate that damage with a super fast tackling machine. Stafford is a boom or bust SS, too, and could at any time wander off in the wrong direction as Denard screams upfield.

Key Matchup: Denard's ankles versus opponent's outstretched arms. There are going to be two or three moments in the game where Denard is setting sail for the endzone. Where you at, Will Compton? Are you Lavonte David walking through that door?

[Hit THE JUMP for WHAT THEY CAN SCORE THAT AIN'T RAIGHT]

Pass Offense vs Nebraska

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This has been a strength for the Huskers, but like Michigan's defense that strength has gone virtually untested. Nebraska's three Big Ten opponents to date are 107th, 101st, and 110th in passing yardage. Wisconsin and OSU are around 50th in efficiency, Northwestern is 99th. UCLA's doing pretty well for themselves but Brett Hundley went for 305 yards on 33 attempts with 4 TDs and 0 INTs, so a large part of the reason they are high up the passing efficiency charts is smoking Nebraska.

The little-used passing offenses of Wisconsin and Ohio State averaged a collective 8.7 YPA with two TDs and no INTs, so the only BCS opponent they've held down is Northwestern's extremely terrible passing offense.

Unfortunately, Michigan's got one of those too. The Nebraska passing defense is set to go untested again. The only thing keeping Michigan's YPA afloat the past few weeks is a 71-yard throwback screen against Illinois. Before Michigan hit Big Ten play there was of course Interception Armageddon against the Irish, and whatever happened against Alabama.

You would expect that Nebraska will be able to replicate what Michigan State's corners were able to do to Michigan's outside receivers, which is play them aggressively and virtually remove them from the game. Then you're left with Michigan hitting slot guys like The Threat and Jeremy Gallon. The problem with that is that Nebraska will be looking for that business; this may be the week to actually run some speed outs and force those linebackers to run with the little darty guys.

If Nebraska isn't playing hyper-aggressive and Michigan's ground game is going at a better clip, Denard's passes should descend from the 29 he threw against MSU to the 15-20 range Michigan prefers after Interception Armageddon. Hopefully the ones that aren't on third and long will be built to exploit Nebraska's run defense, but at this point I'm skeptical.

FWIW, Nebraska's impressive sack rate (over three a game, eight nationally) is built on the schedule. The last two weeks they've had three sacks for a total of ten yards and Ace specifically noted how the Northwestern offensive line held the Nebraska DL at bay:

I wasn't very impressed with Nebraska's front seven, which couldn't generate a pass rush all game. Compton had a relatively quiet day, and the most active players against the run were safeties P.J. Smith and Daimion Stafford, both of whom tackled well and played very aggressively. Three-tech Baker Steinkuhler is an above-average lineman; strongside end Cameron Meredith is solid but undersized, and the rest of the line didn't do a whole lot. I'm honestly not sure how this team is eighth in the country in sacks, except that the secondary is stellar in man coverage.

If the Huskers aren't blitzing, Denard should be able to set his feet and fire. To guys wearing defensive backs like capes.

Key Matchup: Denard versus huge interception death. As always.

Run Defense vs Nebraska

 

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The same cast of characters that Michigan faced last year returns with the possible (probable?) exception of Rex Burkhead, who's been battling a strained ACL for much of the year and strained it again last week.

While Burkhead brings gritty grit grit and certain wildcat QB aspects to the Nebraska offense, if the season to date is representative there is no or negative falloff to primary backup Ameer Abdullah. What Abdullah lacks in tackle-crunching power and ability to take a pitch and also pitch it…

…he makes up for by being damn fast. He's averaging almost 5.9 YPC and has kept that output above five even when only Big Ten opponents are considered. Martinez remains Martinez, an extremely fast north-south runner with not much wiggle but plenty of zoom.

As a result, Burkhead's injury status has had little effect on Nebraska's rushing output:

Opponent Att Yds TD YPC
UCLA 34 278 3 8.2
Wisconsin 42 274 1 6.5
Ohio State 41 254 4 6.2
Northwestern 41 225 1 5.5

Wow. I know you're thinking "loldefenses," but Wisconsin is good; OSU and Northwestern are 29th and 30th in rush defense, giving up around 3.7 yards between them. Nebraska took those defenses to the woodshed. UCLA, too, has been okay. There is no way to look at NU's numbers and not be impressed.

So this will be a test. Nebraska offensive coordinator Tim Beck is a mad tinkerer who loves folding in weird wrinkles—earlier this year several goal-line plays saw Martinez motion out so Burkhead could take the snap, pitch back to Abdullah, and then lead block after a pitch(!). He's got at least two playmakers, and they're dedicated to this offense. The results are obvious, and will only get more so once we hit the next section.

But wait, there's more!

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Aw shiii, that's the flexbone last year and you know Tim Beck has seen that Air Force tape. If NU comes out on this they'll be testing to see what Mattison is doing in response. If the answer is still "making Jordan Kovacs be both the deep middle and pitch defender," fireworks will happen. Bad ones. Probably not, though. Mattison uber alles.

This will be Michigan's biggest test since Alabama, and is a make-or-break game for the proposition that Michigan's defense is elite, Dallas notwithstanding.

Key Matchup: Mattison vs Beck, option style. A fascinating article came out this week from the Nebraska side of things detailing how Mattison shut down the Huskers last year…

Nebraska had wanted to run outside zone reads and a good dose of option football around the strength of the Wolverines’ interior defensive line. Mattison countered by placing his ends outside the offensive tackles and angling them toward the backfield. Quarterback Taylor Martinez sometimes had to run around those ends, which bought UM’s faster linebackers and safeties more time to make the tackle.

…he'll be looking for any schematic deficiencies he can find in that Air Force tape, of which there were lots, and anticipating counter moves and folding in stuff that he hopes will gameplan Nebraska big chunks of yards. That's probably how it's going to have to go down since without Burkhead the guys running the ball are great once they've got a lane but not liable to run over or juke the pants off some guy.

Pass Defense vs Nebraska

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NUMBER ONE BAYBEE

Look, man, that youtube video about Taylor Martinez's passing motion is funny. But I'm not posting it—at least not embedding it—until such time as Nebraska isn't leading the league in passer efficiency by a whopping 25 points. The gap between Taylor Martinez's wonky passing motion and #2 Ohio State is equivalent to the gap between #2 Ohio State and #11 Michigan State.

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/several more mindblown dot gifs

/huge fornicating pile of mindblown dot gifs all rubbin on each other ohhh grosssss

Nebraska is 15th nationally in passer efficiency; no other Big Ten team is in the top 50. Gobble gobble gobble.

Nebraska's fervent desire to run the ball helps, with just 190 passes to 328 runs. So too does a wide receiver corps that suddenly seems like it may be the Big Ten's best unless that honor goes to the Penn State WR/TE corps.

/ALL THE MINDBLOWN GIFS

Martinez still throws a weird looping ball that takes forever to get where it's going, even on WR screens, so Michigan should be more afraid of the deep stuff, where the looping is an asset, instead of the short stuff, which they've blown up all year anyway. Like a team going up against Michigan's offense, the biggest threat is a safety-committing run fake that leads to a guy getting loose over the top. Ask Thomas Gordon about that—Nebraska's 54-yard touchdown in last year's game was tough for him.

Michigan's pass efficiency defense is even better than Nebraska's—15th—against an even worse slate of opponents. Since Alabama barely had to throw, you're looking down the pipe at Notre Dame, Purdue, Illinois, and Michigan State as M opponents. They haven't been tested; they can't really get to the QB; they may be playing it relatively safe since Martinez can tear you up if you screw up a lane. There's going to be a lot of watching passes loop towards their targets; hopefully the incredibly tight secondary coverage Michigan has displayed all year remains in effect.

Key Matchup: This section of the preview versus your ability to perceive the world as a logical place where effects follow from causes.

Special Teams

Nebraska is 116th in FEI special teams efficacy this year, which whoah. The major reason: punt returns. The NCAA lists them 20th in average yards per attempt; FEI sees the muff avalanche and is like no sale. Also bad: punting (112th) and kickoffs (97th). Michigan should have a tangible advantage in the field position battle.

Brett Maher is a pretty good kicker; Michigan's got a reliable short yardage guy and Matt Wile just booted a 48-yarder. Probably a push here as well.

Key Matchup: COVER THE PUNTS FERGODSAKES

Intangibles

OH MY GOD THIS IS ALSO NOT A CAT.

So, Nebraska is 110th in turnover margin despite not throwing the ball much. In last year's edition of this game the Cornhuskers shot themselves in the foot, leg, pelvis, chest, and finally face en route to a 45-17 defeat. Last week against Northwestern they nearly did the same and eked out a one point win despite outgaining the opponent by 200 yards.

It's to the point where "Nebraska beats themselves" is a real thing and not inane color commentator keys to the game hokum. Actually, it is both of those things. But still… given past histories if there's a team that throws two pick-sixes and manages to lose a fumble when it clonks off the back of the returner's helmet somehow, it'll be the Cornhuskers.

Also a cat:

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Cheap Thrills

Worry if...

  • Nebraska tries to implement the MSU gameplan and it pretty much works.
  • The defense is so unused to facing an opponent that can move the ball three yards without falling over that they get confused and leave a bunch of open gaps.
  • Michigan plays it as close to the vest as they did against MSU.

Cackle with knowing glee if...

  • Denard hits the second level against linebackers who are a step slower than Bullough and Allen.
  • The Michigan DL puts up a NOT FOR SALE sign on the interior.
  • Nebraska muffs a punt and gets the collective yips.

Fear/Paranoia Level: 7 (Baseline 5; +1 for I Wonder What Happened The Last Time Michigan Had A Night Road Game, +1 for Oh Now I Remember, +1 for Could You Get Me Some Bleach To Drink, Honey?, –1 for Nebraska Is A YOU SHALL PASS Defense For Mobile QBs, –1 for Also Nebraska Tends To Dissolve In A Heap Of Their Own Body Parts Not Infrequently, –1 for Mattison Must Break You, +1 for It's Almost Like You Can Construct An Offense Around A Mobile QB That Makes Sense, +1 for Taylor Martinez Passing Efficiency Mayans Explosion)

Desperate need to win level: 10 (Baseline 5; +1 for WIN THIS DAMN CONFERENCE, +1 for GO TO THE DAMN ROSE BOWL, +1 for GUARANTEE YOU ARE IN THE DAMN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, +1 for ROSE BOWL, +1 for Hi Nebraska Welcome To Our Conference SURPRISE THROAT SLASH)

Loss will cause me to... never eat corn again! OH GOD IT'S IN EVERYTHING. /omnivoresdilemma'd

Win will cause me to... spend rest of regular season scouting Wisconsin.

The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict:

For a game eight weeks into the season this is quite the mystery. Michigan's defense goes up against an offense that will test it seriously for the first time since Alabama ran them over in the opener, or I guess Air Force took them to the limit thanks to their flexbone.

I lean towards the defense proving they're for real. I've seen them do many things against many opponents and ever since Mattison got those DTs absorbing doubles and robbing opponents of linebacker blocking angles it's been smooth sailing for M. Nebraska should hit some stuff here and there when guys get pulled out of position; I'm banking on Nebraska coming out of this game with a considerably less shiny YPC than they've achieved so far. That doesn't mean another 13 point outing is coming—this team is on another level from the offenses Michigan has shut down so far.

Unfortunately, on the other side of the ball it seems doubtful Michigan is going to be able to replicate the UCLA/OSU torchings. Running backs played big parts in both of those outings, and Michigan hasn't been able to get those guys going for whatever reason. Borges and Hoke are now terrified of their quarterback, perhaps with justification, but it seems like the last three weeks were spent spackling over holes instead of adding anything genuinely new.

Michigan's WRs are finally revealing themselves to be towards the bottom of reasonable expectations and Nebraska's DBs are high quality; it's going to be a battle to make those linebackers vacate gaps with plays to the sidelines, plays over their heads, and etc. Haven't seen Michigan do that consistently yet.

Michigan will bust some long stuff, yeah, but enough? In the end, Nebraska's ability to grind up whoever they face game in, game out—even good defenses—is the best thing either team has going for it.

Finally, three opportunities for me to look stupid Sunday:

  • Nebraska does not implode like they have in the past, because I have no reason for this assertion.
  • Denard breaks something > 50 yards.
  • Jake Ryan tackles Martinez or Abdullah about sixty times.
  • Nebraska, 27-22
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October 26th, 2012 at 12:48 PM | I'm going with (Score:5 Normal)
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27-23 Michigan, just like the Fiesta bowl in 86'

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October 26th, 2012 at 12:56 PM | Last years Nebraska game is (Score:4 Normal)
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Last years Nebraska game is one where Mike Martin was playing all over the field, dropping into coverage in the middle of the field, standing up as a DE on the outside, and just generally causing chaos. Jake Ryan needs to step into the MM role from last year and blow up the Nebraska offense time and time again.

I don't know what to think about the outcome of this game. Can history repeat itself?

M 12 Nebraska 10

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:49 PM | Seriously? I highly doubt (Score:5 Normal)
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Seriously? I highly doubt that this will be a defensive battle.

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October 26th, 2012 at 10:07 PM | So far this season teams have (Score:2)
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So far this season teams have pretty much done as well against us as they have in the past.  Small sample size and all that but ND and MSU just know how to stop Denard it seems.  Purdue and Illinois do not.  Nebraska did not last year, so I feel pretty good about the offense. I always feel pretty good about Greg Mattison, so I think we've got this.  Away at Lincoln is tough, but they lost their best playmakers on defense from last year.  

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October 26th, 2012 at 10:18 PM | Track Meet (Score:2 Normal)
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34-29 Good guys

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October 26th, 2012 at 10:31 PM | Agreed but Denard (Score:1 Normal)
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gets 3 TDs.  41-21 Us.

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October 26th, 2012 at 10:34 PM | I hope (Score:1 Normal)
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Fitz gets into the groove though.

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October 26th, 2012 at 12:58 PM | My main fear is away night game (Score:4 Normal)
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Past that...not really that impressed with Nebraska. They're giving out points to any and everyone who stops by to see the Huskers and I think either Denard or Fitz will be galloping out in space a few times. Nebraska will score some, but still, we have the Mattison. M 37-26

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October 26th, 2012 at 6:04 PM | I agree with the overall sentiment. (Score:2)
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I really think Fitz's involvement in our rush offense "gets healthy" in this game.  I would be kinda surprised if he ran for under 100 yards in this one.  To be honest, I think he and Denard each run for over 100.  

I am worried about our non-Funchesses catching the ball.  I think we win a close one, like 34-31 with our D making a couple of  big 4th quarter stops.  

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October 26th, 2012 at 12:59 PM | o ye of little faith: (Score:1)
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Michigan 24, Michael Pollinators 20

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:01 PM | 22? (Score:-1 Overrated)
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How do you figure we score 22?  If we do I think we win, but I just don't see 22 points from that offense on the road.  

 

 

 

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:05 PM | Down 27 (3 TD, 2 FG)-16 (TD, (Score:3 Normal)
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Down 27 (3 TD, 2 FG)-16 (TD, 3 FG), score TD, fail on 2pt conversion.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | I'm not calling Purdue the same as Nebraska (Score:5 Normal)
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But we did hang 40 some points on them, and the defense is ranked similar to Nebraska.

I think Purdue is a lot better than their record shows. And vice versa with the Huskers

Michigan 35-24

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | Down 20-14, Michigan scores (Score:1)
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Down 20-14, Michigan scores on a long Denard run right before the end of the first half to even it.  The Wolverines line up for the extra point but The Threat feels is bored.  Instead of taking the snap and placing it for the kick, he catches it and leaps over a pile of 20 guys to complete a two-point conversion.  Michigan up 22-20 at the half.

 

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:02 PM | I'm not worried (Score:5 Normal)
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I think that we will get pressure on Martinez early and he will start arm punting.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:08 PM | We have nothing to fear but fear itself (Score:1 Normal)
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The key phrase above is that Hoke and Borges are terrified of Denard.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:08 PM | EDT not EST (Score:1 Normal)
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Brian, we're still on Daylight Savings Time - 8 PM EDT (yes, I'm picking nits, sorry).

Nobody home...

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:11 PM | I think this week will tell (Score:3 Normal)
Needs
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I think this week will tell if we've returned to the day's of the deBordian "scoring offense" that gets pulled out against teams that the coaches are worried can beat us vs. the hyperconservative "don't fuck this up" game plan that we saw last week or if Hoke and Borges are just plain terrified that Denard is an auto-guarantee to throw the ball to the other team if things get too complicated.

I can't see them going into this game with the same kind of "these guys can't score on us" gameplan that was reasonable to have against MSU (though it came about as close to backfiring as possible while still working).  I think we'll see some more offensive variety and a number of more chances taken on offense. Whether those chances pay off will likely determine the outcome. 

Which... I have no idea. Nebraska's much better at home. Nebraska's imploded against the good teams they've played this year (and is UCLA really good?). But those games were on the road. Tyler Martinez passing the ball! But against OSU he passed it to the wrong red jersies. Michigan laid an egg at ND at night. But ND defense vs. Nebraska defense. Denard shredded these guys last year and he has been more responsible with the ball recently. But that responsibility has come accompanied with a strategy so low risk as to almost make it impossible to turn the ball over. 

I guess I come down to the fact that I think the defense is so responsible and sound that they make Nebraska work for everything, heightening the possibility for foot shooting, while Nebraska has a good chance to bust open lanes for both Denard and Toussaint. Denard 2 TDs, Toussaint 1, long Gallon TD on screen or reverse. The defense gives up substantial yards but holds Nebraska to FGs about half the scoring drives.

Michigan 31 - Nebraska 23

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:19 PM | I'm gonna go with Michigan (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm gonna go with Michigan 32, NU 28, with the last play being Nebraska trying a miracle on one of those crazy lateral-pitch-to-whomever-is-by-you plays that goes around the field for a full minute before their TE starts running down the sideline, thinking he can outrun Michigan's defenders, instead of pitching it to a wide-open Kenny Bell or someone speedy who is in position to just canter into the endzone, and he gets shoved out of bounds to end the game.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | Lol (Score:3 Normal)
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Lol

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October 26th, 2012 at 3:26 PM | Sad Stevie Breaston face (Score:3 Normal)
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Sad Stevie Breaston face

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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October 26th, 2012 at 7:08 PM | I got to "their TE starts (Score:3 Normal)
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I got to "their TE starts running down the sideline" before I went "Oh sonofa..." I'm still pissed about that game, dude.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:22 PM | This is all I got. (Score:2)
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I wish I had more, but Taylor Martinez scares me this year.

"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
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October 26th, 2012 at 4:27 PM | I was always impressed that (Score:2)
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I was always impressed that despite the epic amount of discontinuity required to make that show work, the Rabbot hole stayed in the wall pretty much most of the time.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

- Mark Dantonio

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | Defense proves they're the real deal. (Score:2 Normal)
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Michigan -31
Nebraska -20

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | You really need to (Score:4 Normal)
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You really need to recalibrate your "desperate need to win" meter.  The MSU game was a legitimate 10, but this one is not.  A 10 is a game that you need to win to go to a bowl game, break a losing streak against a rival, or radically alter the tone of the program.  Last year's OSU game was a legit 10.  This one -- I'd rank about a 6 or a 7. 

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:36 PM | Isn't going to and winning (Score:5 Normal)
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Isn't going to and winning the championship game a key step in altering the "Michigan in decline/Michigan's not nationally relevant" story that Hoke turned around last year (but which took a hit in the Alabama game)? If so, winning this game is key to the "alter the tone of the program" standard, as it pretty much wins us the Bo division.*

 

*Hey, and Bo division works well with Nebraska too. It's too bad Illinois didn't hire Woody Paige (that was the closest I could get to a relevant Woody... Woody Harrelson? Woody Woodpecker? Any of them look like they might do as good a job as Beckman.)

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:52 PM | Yes, but.... (Score:3 Normal)
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There is still a pretty good chance we could go to the champ game even if we lose this game.  Nebraska already has a loss and still has to go to Penn St and Michigan St and they are not very good and could lose to anybody.

I don't think we're very good either and could lose some games, but the point is is that this is not a play in type game between the leagues 2 super powers.  This is 1 game with 2 kinda good teams in a shitty conference. 

 

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October 26th, 2012 at 3:08 PM | Yes, but, but ... (Score:2)
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Saturday night's victor holds the first tie breaker between the two. So a head-head loss means two games; lose to Neb and UMich pretty much would need to win out and have Neb stumble twice.

Taking it one week at a time

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October 26th, 2012 at 4:11 PM | lose to Neb and (Score:4 Normal)
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lose to Neb and UMich pretty much would need to win out and or have Neb stumble twice.

Neb already lost a conference game to OSU, if we win out we would only need them to stumble once.

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October 26th, 2012 at 4:00 PM | Yeah, but we haven't beaten the team they lost to yet. (Score:2 Normal)
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So unless you're chalking up at Ohio State as being easier than at Nebraska, you're counting on them to lose BOTH to PSU and MSU...and I don't see that. Their big upset chances were Wisconsin and Northwestern, and they found a way to win. They've maybe got one more in them. Certainly not two.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:56 PM | I tend to agree with you (Score:2)
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What's the mantra we always hear from Hoke and the players? Their first goal, their top priority, is to win the Big Ten. It's been longer than I care to remember since this program actually sniffed a Big Ten title, and winning this game is a big step toward that goal.

That said, I'm not sure it's a 10. Last year's OSU game was a 10+.  8 or 9 sounds right to me.

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October 26th, 2012 at 2:02 PM | If this game is a 10, then (Score:5 Normal)
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If this game is a 10, then what was last year's OSU game or last week's MSU game?  A 6,000?  Those games were in an entirely different "must win" universe than this one.  Nebraska has no winning streak against us.  They are a respected program with a good record, and it is a road game that we aren't expected to win.  They aren't in a down year or a transition year that allows us a short window of opportunity that might not be there again for five years.  We can still win the Big Ten by finishing 7-1 in conference play.  Even if Nebraska doesn't lose another game, I think we'll all be happy with 7-1.  We don't compete with them head-to-head for many recruits.  Their fans aren't insuffereable assholes that we want to shut up.  Their coach doesn't seem like a sleazy sack of shit with no morals.  This one -- I think that it's around the same level of importance as this year's ND game.  That loss was by no means devastating to us.  It didn't ruin our season.  It won't haunt us for years. 

You could argue that every game is a 10, because every loss sucks in its own way.  But in order to be useful, a scale has to be well calibrated so that different entities can get different scores.  When every game is a 10, the scale ceases to be useful. 

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October 26th, 2012 at 2:02 PM | This is the only ten on the schedule... (Score:2 Normal)
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at least looking at it so far, although MSU could have gotten there if they were as strong as last year. Also, OSU could get to a ten if we lose this and Nebraska loses twice.

Our goal is a Big Ten title, and this is the game that most advances that goal.

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October 26th, 2012 at 2:11 PM | MSU was a much, much, much (Score:5 Normal)
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MSU was a much, much, much bigger must win game.  You can't argue that they are even close.  4 year losing streak to rival, with them probably being favored next year.  Competing head-to-head for lots of recruits.  Asshole coach.  Insufferable fans.  Home game we are expected to win.  That, my friend, is the definition of "must win".  I don't know a single Michigan fan who is as emotionally wrapped up in this game as they were for last year's OSU game or this year's MSU game.  The stakes aren't as high.  They aren't even close. 

Winning the Big Ten is important, but every loss is bad in that regard.  The only way that this game is more critical is that it gives us a tiebreaker against our closest competitor in the standings.  Meh.  That's not nearly as important as breaking a miserable losing streak to MSU or OSU in games where we are favored. 

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October 26th, 2012 at 2:17 PM | Emotionally... (Score:2 Normal)
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I agree that OSU is a bigger deal. Logically, though, it just isn't; we win this and it's time to buy tickets for a one-game playoff that sends the winner to the Rose with a championship trophy in the case. It's not getting a tiebreaker, it's a virtual three game lead on the entire division with four games remaining. Lose, and we're hoping that we win out while Nebraska loses twice.

Maybe beating MSU would get another recruit (I highly doubt it, how many recruiting battles has Dantonio won against Hoke?) but what really gets 5*'s to sign on the dotted line are championships. I'd argue that winning the championship is much more important than beating MSU or OSU, and I think the players and coaches would agree when only given the choice between the two.

 

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October 26th, 2012 at 2:55 PM | Long term, I would agree that (Score:3 Normal)
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Long term, I would agree that winning the Big Ten is more important than beating MSU, but MSU is where the urgency was this year.  This program is still in a recovery period that people expected.  Hoke hasn't peaked yet at Michigan.  The "must win" the Big Ten years should be 2014 and beyond.  This year, we can go 7-1 in conference, 9-3 overall, and I think that people will feel both very good about the season and about the future, regardless of whether that one loss keeps us out of the championship game.  And we can still win it, even with a loss to Nebraska.  This is only the halfway mark of the conference season.  Lots still can happen.  I can see the Huskers losing one of either PSU or MSU. 

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October 26th, 2012 at 3:02 PM | But if we lose to Nebraska, (Score:5 Normal)
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But if we lose to Nebraska, we would need for them to lose another game and we'd need to win out.  Both of those things are possible, but it would be tough.  If we win, however, we'd need to lose three be left out, which would not happen (or lose to Iowa, and have them really step up).

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October 26th, 2012 at 5:35 PM | 10 = must-win If we lose, (Score:3 Insightful)
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10 = must-win

If we lose, there is still a fairly decent chance to win the division.

Therefore, this game is not a must-win and shouldn't be ranked a 10. Rivalries and games with special meaning aside, 10s should be reserved for win-or-go-home games like OSU would be if we lose to Nebraska, win our next 3 games, and Nebraska loses one game.

I'd rate this as a solid 8.

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October 26th, 2012 at 10:36 PM | 8.5 (Score:1)
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Very tough road game.  We can win out and then go to ohio feeling and looking good.

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October 27th, 2012 at 3:15 AM | 8.5 works for me. I was (Score:2)
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8.5 works for me. I was thinking 8-9, but went with 8 because 9 seemed too high.

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October 26th, 2012 at 3:44 PM | First of all, we are (Score:4 Normal)
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First of all, we are expecting to win, because the expectation is to win the Big Ten Championship because this is Michigan fergodsakes and winning this game puts us there. We don't have a small window to beat Nebraska, but we do have a small window when winning the Big Ten will be as easy as it is now.

Second of all, last year's OSU game's Desperate Need To Win Level was 11.

The Notre Dame game wasn't nearly as important as this one. We could lose that game and still Win The Damn League. Not sure about this one.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:52 PM | Disagree. This year, it's win (Score:4 Normal)
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Disagree. This year, it's win the BIG TENNNNNN or bust. A loss in this game would put us behind the eight ball. 

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:57 PM | And... (Score:1 Normal)
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A win virtually guarantees a one-off game with Roses on the line. We haven't had a game with implications this big in a while (the Sugar Bowl or MSU last year, IMO).

"We bring you to Michigan to take care of Michigan; your job is to protect that block M."
-Carol Hutchins

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October 26th, 2012 at 2:00 PM | Win this and Michigan can (Score:5 Normal)
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Win this and Michigan can make hotel reservations in Indianapolis. This is a 10.

Servant. Pastor. Husband. Michigan fan in Duluth. 

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:28 PM | My prediction: I am going to (Score:5 Normal)
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My prediction: I am going to wear exclusivley elastic strapped pants this weekend. That is all.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:30 PM | Denard 27 - Nebraska 26  (Score:2 Normal)
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Denard 28 - Nebraska 26

 

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | ??? (Score:4 Normal)
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Which is it? Header predition or Body prediction?

Nobody home...

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:35 PM | Denard is going to let (Score:5 Normal)
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Denard is going to let Gibbons kick one of the XP's.

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October 26th, 2012 at 1:35 PM | prediction (Score:1)
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MICH 31

CornShuckers: 27 

 

JUST WIN BABBY

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