Preview: Michigan State 2014 Comment Count

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WHAT Michigan vs Michigan State
WHERE Spartan Stadium, 
East Lansing MI
WHEN 3:30 Eastern
October 25th, 2014
THE LINE MSU -17
TELEVISION ABC
TICKETS From 149
WEATHER 60, sunny, 15 mph winds

Overview

I have to change this now. Since the Big Ten season started this section has been a slightly modified assertion that Team X is probably not real good with issues up the wazoo, a resume that does not intimidate, and a reasonably tractable Vegas line.

None of these things are true in re: Michigan State. They are probably real good, they have no wazoo-rated issues, the worst thing on their resume is beating Purdue by two touchdowns, and Vegas is like lol head for the hills.

Rats.

Injury Guesses

PROBABLY IN: Shane Morris is likely available.

MAYBE: Erik Magnuson's rumored high ankle sprain should be healed by now, right? I mean, unless it's one of those high ankle sprains that never do.

Jabrill Peppers is prominently listed on the depth chart but chatter has him potentially out for the season; we'll see if the internet or the program is more truthy. Bet here is internet.

PROBABLY OUT: Delano Hill, Derrick Green, Desmond Morgan.

Run Offense vs Michigan State

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Taiwan Jones is going to be making a lot of tackles.

This is not the all-destroying unit of a year ago but it's still plenty good enough to shut Michigan's arthritic run game down. MSU is currently 28th in YPC allowed; notably, they crushed Nebraska to the tune of 47 yards on 37 carries.

Things have gone less swimmingly at other times—mostly times when someone pops into the secondary and there is flailing around him. Shane Wynn broke a 75-yard reverse last weekend; Tevin Coleman added a 65-yard romp; Purdue had rushes of 52 and 36 yards. That has scuffed up last year's national-best rush D.

The problem for Michigan is what happens on carries that don't go 30 yards. Michigan State is in a tie for 116th with 4 rushes of more than 50 yards allowed; they're eighth with 21 rushes for more than ten yards. The secondary biffs at a high rate on a low number of plays that break long. When they don't go a long way they don't go anywhere unless you're Tevin Coleman. This is an obvious problem for a Michigan rush offense with three runs of 30 yards on the year, all of which came against early-season tomato cans.

You cannot run the ball consistently against Michigan State and Michigan has no explosive capability.

The best bet for something that looks respectable is misdirection and frippery, which Michigan has gone to on occasion this year with Norfleet and Funchess; otherwise it's going to look a lot like the Penn State game, in which Michigan was rarely caught behind the line but struggled to scratch out more than a couple yards at a time.

Key Matchup: Braden/Cole/Williams/Butt versus the MSU perimeter. The State DTs are not great and Michigan's interior line is likely to get push here and there; it may not matter if Michigan can win blocks against the LBs and DEs.

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Pass Offense vs Michigan State

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Ed Davis had 2.5 sacks last year and leads MSU with 6 this year.

Devin Gardner's ribs have trembled at the coming of this day. Devin Gardner is a warrior, but his ribs would really just like to have some tea and read The Economist. Alas, it is not to be.

Michigan State remains the same maniacally aggressive, rib-annihilating defense they were a year ago. They're currently fifth in the country with 26 sacks, and as is traditional a linebacker is plundering his way into the backfield—Ed Davis leads the team with six. The ends have 8.5 between them and then there's a smattering of contributors coming from all angles at all times. Blitz? Yes please. Blitz? Don't mind if I do. Blitz against Michigan? ALL THE BLITZES.

MSU has not backed this up quite as well as they did a year ago, though. The departures of Isaiah Lewis and Darqueze Dennard have downgraded the MSU secondary from impossible to merely improbable. This was most obvious in the Oregon game, when the Ducks downloaded the Michigan State defense midway through the third quarter and shattered their quarters concept with a series of bombs towards vertical-moving slot receivers.

MSU recovered from this to post good days against Nebraska and Purdue before throttling third-string true freshman Zander Diamont against Indiana; a quality team with the ability to threaten vertically down the slot can attack MSU effectively.

Michigan isn't that. They may in fact be able to threaten vertically down the slot with Norfleet and Funchess, but it's doubtful Michigan can protect consistently enough to force MSU to react and they have not put together anything resembling a scheme likely to pop guys open as safeties overplay thing X. Oregon got to be Oregon because they have an offense that ruthlessly exposes and exploits weak points. Michigan not so much.

Protection is going to be an issue. Michigan's tackles have… coped so far. They haven't been put under nearly as much pressure as they will be on Saturday. Meanwhile, non-Funchess receivers have not shown much ability to get open and Norfleet remains an occasionally-used toy. Jake Butt could be a major weapon against a smaller safety if Michigan can get him open—the pop pass can break huge against MSU if you can protect long enough to get guys past the safety-moving-into-robber level.

I just don't think that's at all possible. Michigan will hit some stuff; Gardner will be harassed into turnovers, etc etc etc.

Key matchup: Devin Gardner versus Disintegration. The concept, not the Cure album.

Run Defense vs Michigan State

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This is not last year's Michigan State offense. Correction: it may be the Michigan State offense from the very tail end of last year; it's not the one Michigan went up against midseason. Strength of opposition and all that yes yes but you would weep giant frothy tears if you looked at Michigan's rushing output halfway through the season and saw this:

Opponent Carries Yards Avg TD
Jacksonville St. 50 221 4.42 3
@ 6 Oregon 36 123 3.42 1
Eastern Mich. 60 336 5.6 7
Wyoming 52 338 6.5 5
16 Nebraska 44 188 4.27 2
@ Purdue 43 294 6.84 2
@ Indiana 51 330 6.47 5

On the year MSU is averaging 5.5 yards a carry.

The thing with MSU this year is the stunning amount of experience they're carrying. In a two-back set nine of their starters are in their fourth or fifth years (third year players Jack Conklin and Josiah Price are the exceptions); their starting skill guys are all fifth year seniors. Everyone who plays save a few backup skill guys took a redshirt, and MSU fills the few holes they find with judiciously applied JUCOs.

The result is an organized, disciplined unit that gets the most out of talent recruiting services have described as "meh." Meh no more:

They've given up just four sacks all year; their 79 yards lost on TFLs is the fifth-fewest in the country. These guys don't blow assignments and don't get overpowered at the point of attack.

Starting center Jack Allen missed the Indiana game with an ankle injury but is projected to return. Dantonio said he could have gone against the Hoosiers if necessary, so don't expect gamesmanship here.

State is deep, if not thrilling, at tailback. Fifth year senior Jeremy Langford is the workhorse back capable of finding the hole and falling forward through it productively; fifth year senior Nick Hill is the quick third-down back alternative; sophomore Delton Williams is an athletic, physical heir apparent somewhat reminiscent of Jehu Caulcrick. Langford's projected as a mid-round selection in the upcoming NFL draft for reasons that used to sound very Michigan and now sound very Michigan State:

Runs low to the ground with excellent pad level and energetic feet to get the most out of every touch. Langford is a workhorse type with a hard-nosed, no-nonsense style of running the ball, getting stronger as the game progresses. Has a little shake-and-bake to him to extend runs, keeping his legs pumping through contact.

Langford really shines in areas where most young backs struggle like pass protection, reliability in the screen game and also the ability to get stronger and better as the game goes on.

If State does start rolling over Michigan's defense it'll be a lot like last year, when a tiring defense gave up the ghost once the game was out of reach.

Note that State has gone to a heavy dose of gun this year. Ace's FFFF charted the evolution from the Purdue game:

Formations Run Pass PA
Gun 14 17 5
I-Form 8 1 1
Ace 6 1 2
Heavy 1 -- --

Cook is mobile enough to keep 'em honest on the zone read and Michigan State is using that to help matriculate down the field.

Now, State has not played a rush defense in the same stratosphere as Michigan's. M is fifth nationally in YPC allowed, and the next best State opponent is Nebraska in the 40s. They deal with the same strength of schedule issues State does but let's just assume from now on that yes the Big Ten is awful and etc. etc. etc.

This will be an enormous test for no-long-referred-to-as-walk-on Ryan Glasgow, who's anchored the Michigan rush defense with remarkably consistent production at nose tackle; the rest of the line has gotten a lot of space-constricting push. The linebackers have been dodgier but still seem to be B or B+ players, especially if James Ross's recent OL-flattening surge continues.

One issue for Michigan: with Ondre Pipkins seemingly out of the picture things get thin fast if MSU can stay on the field long enough to get a lot of rotation going on the Michigan DL. True freshman Bryan Mone has gotten flung off the LOS as much as you would expect a true freshman to, and he will not cope well with the veteran Spartan OL.

Key Matchup: Glasgow and Henry versus the interior MSU OL. It starts up front with a leg-churner like Langford.

Pass Defense vs Michigan State

Also not last year's Michigan State: this bit of Michigan State. Connor Cook's completion percentage has jumped three points, his YPA has gone from 7.3 to 9.3, and he's going to blow through his 22 TDs from last year sometime in the next month—he's already got 16. ESPN's QB rating stat is duly impressed, shooting from 69 a year ago to 84. That places him 6th nationally, hanging out with guys like Dak Prescott, Blake Sims, Jameis Winston and—sigh—JT Barrett.

While Cook is still offering up the occasional "what are you doing" throw, those are greatly reduced in his second year at the helm; excellent pass protection and a steadily improving wide receiver corps have seen MSU's offense go from rickety to impressive.

The star of that improving WR corps is Tony Lippett. Lippett is not a burner and still isn't getting much separation, but he's making it work Junior Hemingway style. Ace:

Lippett isn't outrageously big or eye-poppingly athletic, but his ability to run good routes and make plays on the ball separates him from your average receiver. Here's a nice example of the latter:

Zero separation, but Lippett and Cook are on the same page, and Lippett makes easy work of this jump ball before picking up ample yards after the catch, another thing he does quite well.

He's averaging just over 20 yards a catch on 39 opportunities so far this year and has brought in one over 20 yards in every game so far. He's cracked 30 in five games, usually by skying over defensive backs and using his excellent body control to make contested catches. And sometimes he does pop open deep, albeit with the aid of play action that gets corners involved.

The rest of the WR corps is okay, with Macgarrett Kings your slot threat du jour and MSU featuring a pile of big-ish interchangeable guys with around ten catches. Price, the TE, is actually the second-biggest yards per catch threat—watch out for him on play action.

Michigan's pass defense actually seems to match up well with the opposition here. MSU is short on the athletic speedsters who have given the cornerbacks fits so far and they've been good about walling off go routes. Lippett might not have much room to make the kind of catches he does above.

Coverage breaks down, though, and it's doubtful that Michigan gets sufficient pressure to truly shut down the MSU passing game. They tore Christian Hackenberg to bits last week; this is an entirely different level of opposition and oh God it just occurred to me that Hackenberg has to play MSU later this year. #pray4hack

This will be a bit of a grind for MSU but they'll break through if given sufficient opportunities.

Key Matchup: Kings/Price versus Probably Countess and Clark. Michigan's weak point has been the nickel back and safeties pushed into man coverage, especially when Michigan's obvious man alignment gives opponents the ability to check into rub routes and such.

Special Teams

Previously-reliable kicker Michael Geiger's had a bit of a wobble the last few weeks, going 3/6 after starting his career almost perfect. He even missed one under 40, which had not happened in his career to date. I wouldn't expect that to last but he's not as automatic as you would have assumed preseason.

Punter Mike Sadler has just been okay. He's averaging just over 40 yards an attempt; MSU has allowed returns on a hefty third of his punts and given up a PR touchdown. There might be some room for Norfleet to get upfield here.

Spartan return services are not threatening. RJ Shelton is trundling out to the 25 when he gets a kick return opportunity; Macgarrett Kings is averaging about seven yards a pop on punts. As per usual Michigan's combo of line drives from Hagerup and old-timey punt formations could offer Kings a highway to 20 yard returns—rewatching the Minnesota game was infuriating in this department.

Key Matchup: YOU PUT ELEVEN GUYS ON THE FIELD AT LEAST MOST OF THE TIME

Intangibles

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Cheap Thrills

Worry if...

  • You are entering this game with anything resembling hope. I mean, yeah, Michigan has a 10% chance according to historical spread W/L stuff but what about either of these programs would indicate to you that Vegas was off—in a good way?
  • You have too many nachos
  • While watching the game you are sucked into a hellish alternate dimension

Cackle with knowing glee if..

  • Alternate dimension actually seems better than previous dimension
  • Alternate dimension has nachos
  • Um, like six Michigan State turnovers?

Fear/Paranoia Level: 10 (Baseline 5; +1 for Boy They Seem Good, +1 for Michigan Has Gotten Outcoached In This Game For Six Straight Years, +1 for We Ain't Got No Big Plays And That's Doom Against MSU, +1 for Maybe We'll Get Positive Rushing Yards… Maybe, +1 for Vegas Says LOL)

Desperate need to win level: 6 (Baseline 5; +1 for MSU Is Bad And Should Feel Bad, +1 for It Would Be Pretty Hilarious, +1 for Here Is One Knife To Your Playoff Chances, –1 for Oh Right We're Rooting To Prevent MSU From Winning A National Title Instead Of Actually Doing Anything Ourselves, –1 for Apparently We Need Yet Further Clarity About Things That May Not In Fact Be Already Decided But Really Should Be)

Loss will cause me to... resume F5-ing every message board that has ever had a post about Michigan football for news about regime change.

Win will cause me to... yodel in surprise.

The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict:

Finally, three opportunities for me to look stupid Sunday:

  • Michigan averages two yards a carry, which is actually incredible improvement relative to last year.
  • Defense keeps Michigan in it for a while, something bad happens on offense or special teams, two score lead, Michigan folds their tent.
  • Michigan State, 30-10

Comments

los barcos

October 24th, 2014 at 1:26 PM ^

In January 2011 a Michigan team was going to EL in what everyone considered to be a bloodbath.  The team was, at that point, 11-9 with wins mainly against cupcakes like North Carolina Central and Bryant University.  They were 1-7 in the BIG, and on a 6 game losing streak.  The coach, in his 4th year, was 57-62 at Michigan.  He had gone to the big Tourney two years earlier, but most considered that to be a fluke.  MSU bros painted their chest – 1181 – the amount of days since Michigan had last beaten state in football or basketball.

It was going to be ugly…

…until it wasn’t.  Until an “aneurysm of leadership” propelled this team to victory, to an improbable 4th place finish in the BIG, another invite to the tournament, and set the stage for the machine that is Michigan Basketball today. 

What we have now wasn’t even a possibility on that cold winter January evening.  Beliein and the basketball team, left for dead in 2011, is now a perennial powerhouse; putting six players in the NBA since that night, with more almost assuredly on the way.  All while rampaging through the B1G (the toughest conference in America, mind you) and getting within inches of a terrible block call from winning the whole damn thing.

And the impetus for all of it can be traced directly from that January night in EL.

It only takes one game to change the course of a season, a coach, a program. 

Go Blue – beat State.

tbeindit

October 24th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

My heart wants to believe this, but I just have trouble believing that this team can come together and overcome adversity like this.  If everyone remembers, the team actually got together following the games heading into that famed 2011 MSU road game and basically decided that the slide ended there.  Again, maybe I'm wrong, but who does that here?

Also, it's worth noting that the team nobody gave Michigan a chance to beat that year was vastly overrated.  They were ranked when they beat them, but most will remember that they actually did feel a little bubble pressure on Selection Sunday.  The MSU football team we are going to face on the road certainly looks a lot better than a bubble team.

Not trying to be a downer, just trying to throw some more info on this comparison.

aiglick

October 24th, 2014 at 2:23 PM ^

+1 for hope. However, there's probably a 1% chance that Hoke is like Beilein. The fact that we are even talking about this is laughable but it's Friday so why not. I mean Beilein showed the ability to upset great teams in the early years (Duke and UCLA). What team has Hoke beaten that he shouldn't have? Viriginia Tech?

Beilein is a great coach. Unfortunately for us Dantonio is the Beilein of football. Well kind of I mean he's not an offensive genius but he is taking a program that is historically middling and putting it into the upper echelons of the sport so at least there's some similarity. Of course I'm much happier with Beilein since he's not a sourpuss but I digress. Also, as you point out the BIg Ten is arguably the toughest basketball conference in the nation which is not nearly the case as in football which is why the current levels of suck are so terrible. We should be kings of this tiny fiefdom known as the Big Ten yet we are serfs.

I hope that we win tomorrow and then follow it up with at least a five game winning streak because that's what I think it will take to have any semblance of excitement for next year with Hoke at the helm.

Put it this way: if Brandon and Hoke are both back next year I just don't see how the Big House gets filled every game.

Hoke: prove me wrong.

snarling wolverine

October 25th, 2014 at 1:01 AM ^

Keep in mind, Beilein built his program while MSU was a national powerhouse, and still was able to go toe-to-toe with Izzo by his fourth year.  

OTOH Dantonio (just like Izzo before him) had the huge luxury of getting to build MSU up while U-M was imploding.  Good coach?  Yes.  But we did him a monster favor by tearing down our own foundation and then failing to rebuild it (2011-12 excepted).

 

 

ijohnb

October 24th, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^

cat in the preview looks exactly like me after watching "The Rains of Castemere."

Oh no, could this be that bad.

MGlobules

October 24th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^

because I see any development that gets Brady Hoke back here next year as a disaster. But I have been so desperate for Devin in particular to remind us of how great he could have been. 

But I probably needn't worry, because I can probably root for Michigan so so hard and still. . . And I will be doing that because I am a fan.

Other fans--maybe most fans--keep on rooting for their teams even if they aren't pre-eminent powers, right? What makes us think we're all so high and mighty?

Don't answer that.

ijohnb

October 24th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

want to win.  You want Michigan to win this game.  You do. Cheer for it to happen, believe it can happen, and then figure out what it means after it happens.

You cannot make the statement that "anything that happens that gets Brady Hoke back here as a disaster" for two reasons, 1) You are going under the assumption that we are going to get a Jim Harbaugh or another ass-kicker to take his place, and there is really not even a trace of evidence that this would be the case, and 2) there are things that could happen that would make you re-evaluate that position.  I am not saying it is likely, but if Michigan beats this Michigan State team on the road, isn't that something you would like to consider before deciding if a split is best for all parties?  I am not saying it is likely, but would you not want that peice of evidence for your deliberations? I mean right now I want no part of this guy, but if somehow we beat Michigan State and Ohio State that would seriously make me reconsider that.

 

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MGlobules

October 24th, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^

no. Of course I want the team to win. Three generations of my family and my whole immediate family--all five of us--went to Michigan. But I cannot conceive any circumstances under which Hoke should come back.

I don't think Bacon's article suggests that there ARE any good reasons why Brady should come back. Timing, record, EVERYTHING suggests the time should be now:

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/road-saturday/201410/michigan-wolverine…

markusr2007

October 24th, 2014 at 1:32 PM ^

MSU 45, Michigan 16

I'm not gonna do it.  So my preferred activities Saturday are going to be:

a. removing all 10 of my toenails with a pair of pliers and blunt force

b. dipping said toenail-less toes into a bath of turpentine

c. dropping an enflamed match into said bath of turpentine

e. All of the above in chronological order.

 

jtmc33

October 24th, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^

I have hope.   I keep thinking about our chances.   Field position battle, good punting, great defense.   KICK IT THROUGH THE UPRIGHTS.  I fantasize about a 16-14 victory.

Your first "Worry if..." was directed at me.  Thank you - I needed that.

I'm recalculating my base-reality to 10%.

Damn!  Still too high

 

BlueBarron

October 24th, 2014 at 1:37 PM ^

This is like the scene in Return of the King where Faramir begins leading his troops to attack Osgiliath and all the townspeople in Minas Tirith just watch and throw flowers at their feet because they know it's a suicide mission. Replace Faramir with Gardner and Mark Dantonio as that really ugly Orc that leads the Mordor attack. Oh and, I guess Denethor is Dave Brandon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2c4Li1VzI

991GT3

October 24th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^

What has not been discussed is for Michigan to win DG has to run. If he runs there is a good chance he will be injured and not be able to finish the game. If that happens, unless we are far ahead Michigan has no chance of winning.

MIchigan defense will play a good game and keep it interesting.