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By Brian — October 2nd, 2009 at 11:45 AM — 67 comments
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Note: had more planned for today but illness intervened and saw me sleep for 12 hours yesterday. So we'll see how it goes the rest of the day. Will be slightly light, unfortunately. Right: no respect, I tell you. Via Kevin Rozek.

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WHAT #20 Michigan vs Michigan State
WHERE Spartan Stadium, East Lansing, MI
WHEN 12:00 EST, October 3rd, 2009
THE LINE Michigan State –3.5
TELEVISION Nationwide on BTN
WEATHER 50s, 60% chance of rain

Run Offense vs. State

The strength of Michigan's team goes up against the relative strength of the Michigan State defense. Numbers from games against I-A competition:

  Carries Gained Lost Total TDs YPC
CMU 26 86 5 81 0 3.1
Notre Dame 35 163 14 147 1 4.2
Wisconsin 50 209 16 193 1 3.9

That's shinier than Michigan's defense has done so far. ND went for 154 yards on 30 carries against Michigan. But Michigan's rush offense sits at #8 nationally even after a comical parade of botched snaps and odd rules (intentional grounding counts as a sack in the stats and comes off your rushing totals) saw Indiana "hold" Michigan to 149 yards that were more like 220.

Still, Michigan's only gone up against one defense that should be of the approximate caliber of Michigan State and it was ND. Against ND, Michigan acquired 199 yards on 36 carries, 5.5 per attempt.

Will Michigan be able to replicate this? Points in favor:

State is scrambling on the DL. Four-star C recruit Blake Treadwell, a coaches' kid, got moved to DL and is set to lose his redshirt in this game:

"When it's time to play, it's time to play ... If he's ready to play and he can help us, coach Dantonio and coach Treadwell feel good about it," Narduzzi continued.

Spectacularly named Kevin Pickelman is "banged up"; starter Jerel Worthy is a redshirt freshman and kind of tubby, so he's prone to tire. Meanwhile, the Free Press was reporting that Dion Sims might be moved to DE for this game (wha?), but the reliable paper in Detroit says that's not the case:

"I don't know anything about that," Gill said. "Don't even search for that. He's a tight end in our offense and that's what he plays."

Non-Jones linebackers appear to be horrible. It's too bad the MSUFR folks just got up and running because then it would give some context to these numbers from the UW game:

Player Plus Minus Total
43 Gordon 1 20 -19
53 Jones 10 6 4
34 Denson 2 3 -1
36 Misch 7 18 -11
55 Decker 2 2 0
48 Stevens 2 3 -1
10 Norman 0 1 -1
Totals 24 53 -29

Jebus in a handbasket going to church on Tuesday. This speaks of metric fail to me, and Dr. Detroit:

First, the scoring system is inconsistent.  I gave points to Misch and Decker that I did not give to Jones, so the numbers are too positive.  Second, the scoring system I setup is pretty much guaranteed to have LBs be in the negative.  Every time a LB gets blocked, I scored that as a negative.  Gordon and Misch got blocked a lot.  This could be intentional.  They eat up the blockers and Jones is then able to make a play.  It would be really stupid for it to be intentional though.  Misch did have a play where he avoided a blocker and made a tackle which leads me to believe they are not trying to engage blockers.  Misch looks like he needs more experience and practice at avoiding blockers. 

It's apparent that the MSU coaches are trying to replace Misch with true freshman and hyped recruit Chris Norman, but he's just not ready. the other OLB is Eric Gordon, who Dr. Detroit describes as a block magnet. If Michigan can get to Jones, the safeties are going to have to make a lot of tackles.

Points against:

Michigan State will adjust to this year's big gasher to date. Our beloved zone counter dive was defended by Indiana and Michigan saw a steep decline in bighuge running plays. Only three Michigan rushes broke ten yards. Defending this like so…

…naturally opens up other things; Michigan will have to adapt and throw something out that's not a proven winner. I'm betting they will, but it remains to be seen whether that's going to be as much of a winner. My bet? An effective variant of the "Cut it up Tate" play where the H-back peels off and kicks out the contain LB, opening up copious room for Tate or, better, Denard.

David Molk is gone. From the snap issues to the presence of a non-starter in the lineup to the wholesale realignment of 3/5ths of the line, that's damaging. David Moosman got a few sweet blocks against Indiana but this Worthy guy is a bigger dude and may be tougher to handle. Or he may just get tired easily and not have the agility to keep up.

All told? Michigan will get its yards on the ground against a DT rotation that's thin and prone to tire and a linebacking corps that Michigan might not actually trade for. Rodriguez should prove his gashing bonafides.

Key Matchup: Schilling and Huyge against Jones. Getting Jones to the ground is how Michigan turns five yards into 50.

Pass Offense vs. State

First, an interlude from the Notre Dame-Michigan State game:

Our pissed off play annotator has revealed something: even against spread personnel Michigan State generally sticks with a 4-3 package, using WLB Eric Gordon as a slot defender. This is in contrast to Michigan's other A-level opponent to date. Notre Dame stuck a safety directly over the slot and took away perimeter screens. If Michigan State stays in the same package they've been in so far, the slots should find themselves considerably more involved in the game plan.

Unfortunately for Michigan, Martavious Odoms is not Mike Floyd, but as we saw against Eastern this year and several times the year before, if you leave base personnel on the field and shade your linebackers halfway between the box and the slot (the "gray area," according to Rodriguez), Michigan will go to the slot guys with regularity.

There's the catch, though: last year Michigan State obviously spent a lot of time on the Michigan game and snuffed out Odoms' wheel routes with coverage packages that took it away. Threet had to come off it or throw horrible interceptions into it. I made the mistake of assuming Notre Dame would stick with two-wide packages against M and I'd like to not repeat that mistake. In the Wisconsin game, State did go to a nickel package on some passing downs. But to do that they lift a DL:

Michigan State had exactly zero plays with anything other than 3 LBs on the field.  MSU defensively is either in a 4-3 Stack with the LBs 5 yards off the LOS, or they are blitzing.  If I can pick it up that easy, so can everyone else. MSU will go to a nickel coverage.  … MSU takes out a defensive tackle and adds a defensive back.  Then sends a linebacker on a blitz.

Lifting Jon Misch, a former walk-on with all of ten tackles on the year battling for his job with a true freshman, is not exactly going to kill your defense. But so it goes.

Unless Michigan State shows something it hasn't so far, nickel packages will be 3-3-5s on obvious passing downs and Michigan will be up against the standard 4-3 against a spread, something that gave us all hives last year. And its giving MSU hives this year:

  This is simply a bad defensive scheme and there is no excuse for continuing in this fashion.

Compounding matters was a vast lack of pressure on UW QB Scott Tolzien last week. He didn't get sacked and was hurried maybe a couple times in the process of going 15 for 20 for four touchdowns. This goes against MSU's previous marker, when they got better pressure on ND than Michigan did, sacking Clausen twice. Even then, MSU fans seemed discontent with the DL:

- Unfortunately it seems our defense will be an issue all season. The lack of pressure from the front 4 will continue to be an issue in the run and passing game. Add in that with the disappointing play of the secondary to date and we’ll struggle against good offenses.

On the other side of the ball, Michigan's had serious pass protection issues at right tackle, though.

As far as the rest of the offense goes, Tate Forcier remains a scarily-accurate rollout machine who occasionally does something idiotic because he's a true freshman, and the receivers remain largely pedestrian non-deep threats. Given the tendency of the MSU linebackers to suck up against the run and the absolute field day UW tight ends had against Michigan State, this might be the game in which Kevin Koger goes nuts; also, if Michigan State isn't prepared for the Carlos Brown wheel route and tries to defend it with Misch or Gordon, Brown's streak of plays that go more than 50 yards might continue. Protection, protection is the key.

Key Matchup: Perry Dorrestein versus Trevor Anderson or Other Michigan State DE. If Michigan can get some lawyaz blocked, there is the potential for much fun toying with the State secondary. This is questionable.

Run Defense vs. State

aj-sturges Michigan State has been uninspiring so far:

  Carries Gained Lost Total TDs YPC
CMU 29 108 2 106 1 3.7
Notre Dame 25 109 4 105 2 4.2
Wisconsin 20 107 5 102 0 5.1

These are all sacks-removed, which significantly colors them. 5.1 YPC drops to 4, FWIW, if you include Wisconsin's two sacks. That's the whole point of removing sacks, but adjust your TV sets to take that into account. These numbers are obviously not great, especially when they've come against a collection of rush defenses as motley as the crew above. Though the total numbers don't show it yet because of wildly uneven schedules, whenever opponents have gone up against good rushing attacks they've crumbled. Arizona, a BCS team about on par with MSU this year, put up 246 yards against Central. Michigan hit Notre Dame up for 190 yards. And despite playing NIU, Fresno State, and Wofford along with MSU, Wisconsin is 73rd in rush defense. Fresno went for 179 yards on 39 carries, NIU 129 on 32, and Wofford(!) had 214 yards, though that was on 55 carries. The Woffordians must run some sort of crazy triple option because more guys got carries(10) than Wofford had passing attempts(7).

So MSU's run problems are real and the Wisconsin game improvement is at least partially an artifact of coming up against a seriously dodgy run defense. The other part is the steady fall of Caulton Ray down the depth chart in favor of Win-at-all-Costs Winston and freshman Larry Caper. Winston is either a smaller version of Brandon Minor or Jehuu Caulcrick with more burst. He runs through arm tackles, trucks people, and has good speed for his size but has zero wiggle. He runs in a straight line until tackled. This is probably good for Michigan's defense, which has been good about cutting off primary running lanes of late and terrible at controlling unexpected cutbacks. Caper isn't that different from Winston but has more jump; he popped outside Wisconsin linebackers a couple times and might actually be a better fit when it comes to attacking Michigan's defense. I'd be more worried about him, though as a freshman it's hard to give him a zillion carries when you're a passing team and his blitz pickups are, I assume, shaky.

In the Wisconsin game, State was running a lot of zone plays. This was odd to me after UFRing a couple of State games in which power off tackle plays were almost the only run play in the arsenal. Maybe it fits better with State's primary backs, as Winston is not a guy who goes anywhere except down if you make him bounce it outside, but as a one-cut mooseback he was decently effective against Wisconsin. The problem for MSU is that their linemen are mostly tubby guys recruited to blow people off the ball and MSU basically never got the nice playside DT reach blocks that are a staple of Michigan's stretch game. M linebackers should be wary of the cutback behind the center, where MSU did most of its erratic damage against Wisconsin.

One thing to note is that the Michigan State offensive line has been seriously banged up and is torn between getting starters back and putting what looks like a starting five on the field and dragging a true freshman on the field:

Henry Conway, a freshman tackle, made the team dress list for the Sept. 19 trip to Notre Dame, but has yet to play a snap this season. …Injuries to the line and the unit's difficulty to establish a consistent running game might create opportunities for Conway.

Starting left guard Joel Foreman didn't play against the Badgers because of an ankle injury. Tackle J'Michael Deane injured his leg earlier this season and also didn't play. Joel Nitchman, a starting center, moved to guard at Wisconsin, while John Stipek once again played center to help fill a void.

On the other side of the ball, Michigan has been pretty damn uninspiring itself, allowing an 85-yard touchdown to Indiana and turning Armando Allen into a massive threat. In the first four weeks of the season, Michigan has decided it's going to slant like hell, leave the linebackers back, and watch them screw up a lot. The slanting was a problem that got fixed; the linebackers are still a work in progress They have begun to screw up less often these days, but seeing a Caper bounceout like a couple that happened against Wisconsin is extremely easy. Winston might have a couple runs that crease the line; most of the time he's just going to run up into a bunch of dudes and go not very far.

Key Matchup: Caper versus Mouton/Brown on bounceouts. I think the problem with the State run game is a mismatch between the line's talents and those of the backs, and that Michigan's slanting, undersized, athletic line will be well suited to crush the zone plays Winston does well in. So then you've got the athletic guy versus linebackers dodgy at contain. I think this is where MSU gets any runs longer than ten yards.

Pass Defense vs. State

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Yerrrrgh. For the record, Michigan State is not really the top passing offense in the Big Ten. Almost half of their passing yards against Wisconsin game in pure garbage time when Nichol came in with 5 minutes left in the game and Wisconsin up three touchdowns. Without that they fall all the way from 320 yards a game to 276 and are now the… uh… #2 passing team in the Big Ten, behind Northwestern. Hamburgers.

This almost can't go well. State has three excellent receivers, two of whom have the size and speed to get deep. Mark Dell showed an outstanding ability to adjust to deep throws against Wisconsin and caught a picture-perfect 20-yard-fade from Cousins for State's first touchdown. And BJ Cunningham had a spectacular touchdown reception of his own. Dion Sims and a vast array of other TEs—seriously MSU has like 4 or 5—look like field-stretching seam threats. And when Kirk Cousins isn't inexplicably throwing the ball directly to an opponent (he did this again versus Wisconsin) he's zinging darts. Sometimes the darts are thrown way too high and hard; sometimes they are deposited into the receiver's facemask.

There's just one hope, and it's the usual when your team can't cover a dead donkey: pressure. I do think there's some chance Michigan gets to the quarterback consistently. My stream of consciousness notes on the UW game have several instances of same:

no agility... roh? PI first down.

wisconsin gets to cousins, he throws terrible int. lots of UW pass rush so far.

max pro on third and thirteen still gets pressure, flushing cousins, sidearm dart (DO, 1) to dell on sideline for first(!). ooh went oob first.

zig route thrown behind with pressure. maybe not so good with pressure?

horrible lack of pickup on four man rush causes short hitch 3 yards

There was also an instance where Cousins scrambled out of the pocket and could have run for ten or so yards but instead attempted to rifle the ball and it went way out of the endzone. He is a pocket guy not comfortable on the move and if Michigan gets to him he will not respond well. My prescription for this game is TAH-NOO-TAH; I will cringe at any three man rush. If you're worried about screens spy with a DT.

Note: Roh? I mean it. Wisconsin had a true freshman OLB they were sending on edge rushes who was just going right around the MSU RT; his lack of agility was apparent. On passing downs where Roh can just unleash the eyebrows, he can get to Cousins.

Key Matchup: Pounding rain? If not that, yes, again, Brandon Graham versus the life that hates him very very much.

Special Teams

The special teams were huge for Michigan against Indiana but this figures to be an even matchup. Stone me for this heresy, but the punting battle should be about even. While Zoltan the Inconceivable has punted Michigan into the top ten in net punting with a 42.2 net average, Michigan State's guy is just a yard behind. Michigan should be more likely to get a decent return, FWIW: half of State's punt have been returned for almost nine yards each; fewer than a quarter of Michigan's have come back and opponents are average under six yards a return.

Michigan State has an edge at kicker, where Brett Swenson is excellent. Jason Olesnavage has been pretty good so far, going 3/4 on the year with a couple outside 40 yards, but missed a chip shot in the Notre Dame game.

Michigan combats that edge with an edge in kick returns, where they're 22nd to MSU's 52nd. Darryl Stonum has consistently been bringing kicks out to the 30 or 40 with the odd return that ends up on the opponent's side of midfield or in the endzone.

Key Matchup: It's rainy. HOLD ON TO THE DAMN BALL.

Intangibles

Glenn Winston cat is Glenn Winston cat.

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Cheap Thrills

Worry if...

  • Trevor Anderson is zipping past Dorrestein when Michigan tries to throw out of the pocket.
  • Tate's throwing arm explodes.
  • Michigan is not getting to the quarterback.

Cackle with knowing glee if...

  • It rains like a mofo.
  • Graham and Roh give Cousins no time to throw.
  • Hello, Keith Nichol!

Fear/Paranoia Level: 6 out of 10. (Baseline 5, +1 for First Road Game For Many, +1 for Kirk Cousins vs CissokoFloyd, –1 Forcier vs DavisClark And That's Just One Last Name, +1 for Their Receivers Are More Likely To Make Sucky Secondaries Pay, –1 for They've Got More Chaos, –1 for Pucker, Pucker, Pucker, +1 for  Weather Could Do Anything).

Desperate need to win level: 7 out of 10. (Baseline 5, –1 for Would Be Totally Understandable To Lose This One, +1 for But Really, Really Annoying, +1 for Would Make Dantonio's Offseason Bluster Laughable Psych-Out Stuff, Man,  +1 for Not Winning Would Make For A Week Of Columns Praising a 2-3 Team So Dumb I Might Have An Aneurysm.)

Loss will cause me to... promise to myself I'll avoid columns of legendary stupidity this week, and then break that promise.

Win will cause me to...  can you frame a post-game press conference? Someone let me know.

The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict:

There are too many wild cards—first road game, weather, Forcier's shoulder—in this game to have much faith in the prediction below, but, you know, strictures and conventions.

I'm really bothered by the line shift. Michigan was favored by one early in the week and is now a 3.5 point dog. Getting over 3 is kind of a big deal. What is it that the books see that's not apparent here? It is clear that Michigan and State are far closer than your average 4-0 and 1-3 teams, and the smart money isn't dumb enough to fall for Michigan State's offensive explosion against Wisconsin second-stringers, right?

I am disquieted, because I don't think State's schedule has been that much tougher than Michigan's relative to their performance. I-AA vs Eastern is basically meaningless. ND is the same except for home/road, and Western and Central may not be equal but one was a 24 point win and the other a loss in which MSU got outgained badly. And though Indiana at home is way easier than Wisconsin on the road, this Wisconsin team scraped by NIU and went to double overtime against a non-good edition of Fresno State, and oh by the way Michigan beat Indiana and MSU was basically blown out by Wisconsin until garbage time hijinks brought it closer.

The impressiveness of these games, IME: Push, push, M, M. So why the line swing? The only news during the week of relevance was the continued insistence that Tate Forcier would be totally fine. I don't get it, and I don't think it's meaningless, and that makes me nervous.

But I don't get it so let me forge ahead: I think Michigan's rushing defense is much better equipped to handle a Glenn Winston than a bouncy outside back and I believe the slanting issues against Notre Dame have been fixed, which means MSU's to-date moribund ground game shouldn't be much better than it's been so far. Cousins will tear Michigan apart but that line should crack enough to allow a sack or three and Michigan will get its share of stops.

On the other side of the ball, it all comes down to pass protection. I think they'll get their yards on the ground to the tune of at least 5 YPC and will do well enough in the passing game.

Finally, opportunities for me to look stupid Sunday:

  • Brandon Graham never sacks anyone again.
  • Minor and Brown about split the carries, with one going over 100 and the other coming close.
  • Michigan pulls something out of the bag of tricks.
  • Forcier does not get nervous.
  • Michigan, 31-27.
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October 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 AM | that dangerfield superimposed pic is great (Score:1)
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should be printed on a t-shirt

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 PM | It's going to give me (Score:1)
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It's going to give me nightmares.

Brady...Hoooooooke!

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October 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 PM | should be printed on a t-shirt (Score:1)
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or a tie

"Play hard and with great effort"

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 PM | Here's hoping... (Score:1)
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that the latest Vegas line and underdog status feed into the "us vs. the world" mindset in the confines of Shembechler Hall. Michigan, 38-17.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 PM | Odds (Score:1)
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FWIW, vegas.com shows MICH -3.5. Not MSU.

http://www2.vegas.com/gaming/sportsline_ncaaf.html

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 PM | Think that's (Score:1)
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Think that's backwards.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/?s=1413

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 PM | No -- that webpage is uses a strange abbreviation (Score:1)
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For reasons that I will probably never understand, "MICH" is "Michigan State" on that page.

Just as "PENN" is Penn State and not the Ivy League School in Philadelphia.

It could not be any more confusing if they were deliberately trying to defraud you -- and since it is Vegas, you better believe... well, whatever.

The Spread has been MSU -3.5 for about 48-72 hours now, and that is what it is on that page. (What is their abbreviation for Michigan, I wonder?)

"I poured my heart and soul into that [book] for three years...for them to trash the book really hurt."  ~ A teary-eyed Michael Rosenberg, to Larry Foote; September 4, 2009.  Three and Out, 183-184.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 PM | Aargh (Score:1)
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I was at the Texas Tech v Texas game 2 weeks ago and the stadium scoreboard was continually showing Notre Dame had beaten "MICHIGAN"... As if "MSU" would be too tough to figure out, or Mich St. Everytime it popped up I wanted to vomit.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 PM | FWIW (Score:1)
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vegas.com is a tourism site. try covers.com or some such site.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:45 PM | we're the dog (Score:1)
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It's definitely UM +3.5 - take it from someone who watches these things.

I gotta think a move like that has something to do with the consensus on Forcier's health. I find it hard to believe that he's 100% after seeing him wince when touched on the shoulder in the last game.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 PM | In response to Brian's query (Score:1)
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In response to Brian's query about the betting line: the line is what it is because the smart money knows this game means a lot more to MSU than to us. It's been circled on their calendar since day one. That, coupled with the fact that you have a true freshmen QB on the road for the first time, gives an advantage to MSU. I hope to god we can win, but I wouldn't be betting on Michigan in this game.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 PM | I agree on the line swing. (Score:1)
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I know 'if" doesn't mean anything, but still... if MSU was 3-1 and the line was as it is no one would blink. I think they are probably similar to Carr era M teams in that they lost a couple of games they shouldn't, are better than there record indicates, and will regroup for their most important game of the season. That would explain the shift.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 PM | And so it is written ... (Score:1)
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... now let it be done.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 PM | I find myself... (Score:1)
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I find myself most worried about the rain, after all of those Yakety Sax snaps against Indiana. Here's hoping our offense can hold onto the ball. If they do that, I feel great about tomorrow.

 

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 PM | Chances to look stupid: Tate (Score:1)
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Chances to look stupid: Tate doesn't get nervous. I'm pretty sure he won't, he has lead 2 (really 3 if you count that leaping TD against IU) 4th quarter game winning drives in 4 games. I know it is his first road game but man, he hasn't given me any reason to think he will get nervous.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 PM | It was a joke referring to (Score:1)
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It was a joke referring to the oft repeated line of Tate's: "I don't get nervous"

It's Great to Be A Michigan Wolverine

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 PM | Weather Report (Score:1)
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Weather.com says about 45 degrees with a 60% chance of showers. Plus it will rain on and off from now until kick off.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/outdoors/hourbyhour/48823?begH...

I hope this effects their ability to pass. I also hope we can hold onto the ball. I think the weather report is great for us and our rushing game. Michigan 24 - MSU 17

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 PM | Pucker Pucker Pucker!! (Score:1)
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Man, I had forgotten about that particular line and upon your reminder just busted out with a mini-spit-take. I'm still giggling.

Don't worry about the swing in the Vegas line. What's changed this week? A number if insipid quotes by MSU players hitting newspapers about how they're "angry" and "not respected" by Michigan. That may persuade casual gamblers, but I think most would agree it's a much clearer indicator that Sparty's not very focused on the task at hand. I know it's an emotional game and all, but they need to be prepared or they lose. I don't see how such an attitude aids their preparation.

Road Games is another blog

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:18 PM | Hemmingway? (Score:1)
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Has anyone heard if Junior is 100%? I watched him limp off the field a couple of times during the Indiana game.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 PM | I was wondering (Score:1)
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I was wondering the same thing, as I also saw him limping around during the Indiana game. But he isn't on the injury report, so hopefully he's good to go.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 6:05 PM | good question (Score:1)
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I have looked over and over this week to see about his status but haven't heard a thing. Would love to see him shooting down the sideline again this week. Then again I also hope it rains so stinking hard that we hand the ball to Rage and Brown 50 times.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 PM | MSU Marketing (Score:1)
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I'm as nervous and confused about this game as anyone, but as you listen to people during the week and examine the match up it is hard to figure out why. Dantonio has done a remarkeable job of getting the media behind him to put out the perception that he has MSU in a differnt direction, but when you really look at it Dantonio came in to EL with this tough talk of discipline, running the ball and defense. They still take dumb penalties, they have yakety sax with their qb's, they haven't been able to run the ball worth a dam since he's been there and the defense is brutal. They are basically Texas Tech with different play calling. I'm as scared as hell, but in all reality unless Cousins has the game of his life we should kick their ass.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:11 PM | Dantonio embodies everything (Score:1)
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Dantonio embodies everything the media loves to wax about - humorless leaders who preach defense, running the ball, "manning up" and being accountable. He was a mediocre coach at Cincy, yet when he arrived at MSU the talk was how great a hire he was and how he would finally bring some stability to the program. Unfortunately for MSU faithful, the school has been stable for almost 2 decades - some decent years mixed with some down years, resulting in about a .500 record both overall and in the Big 10 (103-101-3 since 1983). So with Dantonio at 17-13 and 9-8 in the Big 10, MSU is about where they have historically been. That might not be where they want to be, but it is hard to argue with history.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:25 PM | Betting line...? (Score:1)
mtzlblk
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You may be looking at a bunch of 'dumb money' across the country taking the earlier line with Michigan by 1 in 4-0, 1-3 game. Not everyone that bets goes into heavy team analysis per game. The change to 3.5 MSU might reflect the book trying to get even money.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:10 PM | Also confused by the line... (Score:1)
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So shifting the line from -1 to +3.5 is some sort of super secret psych out by Vegas?

Wouldn't the "dumb money" folks who liked Michigan at -1 be even frothier at +3.5?

If money was heavy towards M in the beginning, then M would give more and more points until equilibrium was reached, no?

Too many questions. My head is spinning.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 PM | You're right (Score:1)
Blue in Yarmouth
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Yeah, that guys post doesn't make sense. If a lot of money came in for UM at 1 than that would have reversed, putting MSU as a bigger underdog, not making UM an underdog. Sounds lke all the early money went on MSU to me.

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October 4th, 2009 at 1:35 PM | Uhm. I didn't say that a lot $$ came in for UM (Score:1)
mtzlblk
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I just said that Vegas might be trying to even things out.

It could be they didn't have enough $$ coming in and simply wanted to move the needle on bets by offering an option for those people on the fence for a game that really is very difficult to pick.

Lots of people bet on multiple games and other kinds of packages who aren't UM or MSU fans, or even Big Ten team fans who might have looked at the records of the teams and added it to a package without knowing a whole lot about the game itself.

The other thing with spreads is that certain types of people bet early in the week and others late, I called them 'dumb money' not for how they bet, but for looking at a game that is a push at best and grabbing a spread early in the week rather than late. In general this game was not a smart bet, but especially if you pick it at a one point spread either way before you have any idea about game conditions, etc. They were picking before the Thursday injury report even came out. Smart?

Spreads change all the time over the week, based on a myriad of factors; player/injury status, rumors about player/injury status, weather conditions, comments about the game, anything....including how much $$ is coming in or not coming in at a particular spread. As much as Vegas wants people to bet on a games, help me out anyone that IS an expert in this, they also want to get the sides as even as possible to limit their exposure in an upset as much as possible.

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_betting

Quote:
"The general purpose of spread betting is to create an active market for both sides of a wager, even if the outcome of an event may appear a priori to be biased towards one side or the other. In a sporting event, for example, a strong team may be pitted against a historically weaker team. Persons betting on the event normally would be likely to favor the better team, to such an extent that there would be very few, if any, betting on the team perceived to be worse.

The use of a "point spread" evens out the market towards an equal number of participants on each side of the wager. This allows a bookmaker to make a market by accepting wagers on both sides of the spread. The bookmaker charges a commission and acts as the counterparty for each participant. As long as the size of wagers on each side is roughly equal, the bookmaker is unconcerned with the actual outcome; profits instead come from the commissions."

And as I mentioned previously, neg points are for trolls, read Brian's guidelines, I am not one, so why do you feel the need to neg for this? You guys are the ones ruining the point system.

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October 4th, 2009 at 1:29 PM | Super secret??....uhm no (Score:1)
mtzlblk
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That's why they publish it to the world. So there isn't really anything secret about it, and I don't think reading my post that I implied it was secret.

It is no secret that if a lot of bets are made on one side of a spread, that Vegas can try to minimize their risk by adjusting that spread toward the middle or other way to get even bets on the other side. I think that is general knowledge to most people. I don't gamble, even when i am forced to go to Las Vegas for work, so I'm certainly no authority on it, but i have a lot of friends that do and talk about it incessantly.

And guys, the point sytem was set up to thwart trolls and i hardly think I qualify as such. Read the guidelines, it isn't so that you can read through and neg anything and everything based on opinion. don't get me wrong, I couldn't possibly care less about the points, but as a friendly suggestion, apply them to people that come on here trying to stir conflist and bash the team that we all root for. Hm?

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 PM | Caper's blitz pickups and Cousins handling pressure (Score:1)
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Great preview, as usual.

Caulton Ray is the best of the 3 MSU backs at picking up blitzes. On the rare occasions he was presented the opportinity against ND Caper was weak, but did much better against Wisconsin. I assume that's something Caper's been working on.

The presence of Ray in the backfield may tip pass, then, like the old Lloydball "H-back shuffle motion = run".

Cousins has done very well handling pressure. In the ND game they brought something like 25 blitzes in a row at one point. It was when ND showed blitz then dropped the backers into coverage that Cousins threw the killer interception. What Cousins doesn't seem to handle well yet is "coverage" -- he tries to MAKE PLAYS (sorry, couldn't resist) rather than just throwing the ball away. His pocket presence is a function both of his courage and his immobility, but still, MSU has only yielded three sacks in four games with a patched-together offensive line.

Keith Nichol, on the other hand, has happy feet and will take off at the slightest pressure.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 PM | Keeeurt (Score:1)
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You're misunderstanding what Brian has written. He's predicting that Tate won't get nervous. It's a joke for some of the reasons you've mentioned.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 PM | Brian... (Score:1)
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That picture is funny as hell.

 

 

 

"From this point on," defensive tackle Mike Martin said, "every single game is a championship game for our program."

From The Detroit News:

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:59 PM | how do we plus 1 the guy who (Score:1)
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how do we plus 1 the guy who made that picture?

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:03 PM | Slighty Light? (Score:1)
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If that's "slightly light," I look forward to slightly heavy.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 PM | Sturges (Score:1)
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Nice picture of Sturges, too. He looks like a younger, smiling, slightly better looking version of Dantonio. Of course, after the game tomorrow, Dantonio will look like Meechigan Dan's avatar.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 PM | Mark Dangerfield! Awesome. Love it! (Score:1)
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There's going to be an awful lot of pressure on MSU coming into this game.

If they do find a way to lose to Michigan on Saturday, wow....not good for Dantonio.

Even with the close wins over ND and Indiana, I really like how the Michigan team has come together and, more importantly, how they've taken to the tactical adjustments requested by the coaches during games.

Great preview!

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 PM | Before the season started (Score:1)
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I felt like this was the most important game of the season and I still feel that way. With this schedule we were probably going to have a decent record at this point. If our guys can handle a physical road game vs. a rival and come out with a win, I will be ecstatic. This will be a major test. Go Blue!

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 PM | Regarding the betting line (Score:1)
oakapple
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My sense is that it's irrelevant. The bookmakers simply want to attract equal action on both sides. Spartan fans are feeling very confident, so a lot of MSU bets were pouring in, and the line had to move. I doubt that Spartan fans know anything the rest of us don't, e.g., about Forcier's health.

Marc Shepherd
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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:44 PM | Spartan fans are feeling very confident??!???!! (Score:1)
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Everyone I know is very down on MSU's ability to stop Michigan.

Anything else is false bravado. Or a post on the RCMB.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 PM | Fans of either team (Score:1)
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don't drive betting lines. Unless there is some systematic error being made by the masses, the smart few trying to make money move the line. It now reads, like it did going into the State-ND game, that the teams are basically equal. Vegas changed the line based on what happened during weeks 3 & 4 and the smart money bet it back. Based on the preview above, having read The Mathlete's diaries and watching some of the ND-MSU game, that sounds right to me. That puts MSU at about 60% to win, fwiw. See:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/8/29/1003957/chance-of-a-football-...

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October 3rd, 2009 at 1:39 AM | Spartan fans are feeling very (Score:1)
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Spartan fans are feeling very confident

You must know very different Spartan fans than I do. I think we've got a shot (assuming, for the moment, that Dantonio decides not to kill whatever offensive momentum we get going early by bringing in Nichol again), but there's a wide gulf between that and confidence.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 PM | Michigan D (Score:1)
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I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been mentioned, but does anyone think Greg Robinson has an advantage when it comes to facing Dantonio?

He played two games against Dantonio at Syracuse and had decent success considering the crappy teams he had at Cuse. He was 0-2, but only allowed 22 points and 17 points in '05 and '06 respectively.

It may be a long shot, but I don't think it hurts.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 PM | Brandon Graham will get 4 (Score:1)
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Brandon Graham will get 4 sacks tomorrow. You heard it here first.

As to the betting, reports on the radio say that many people are betting on MSU, leading to speculation as to whether Tate's injury is worse than we think and purposely being kept hush hush. I hope not.

I really think that while both defenses look rather swiss cheese-like, we may see one D step up and make a difference in the game. As you can see from my earlier quote, I think the D that steps up will be ours. Look for big plays from the "other" Brandon, whose Rage may fall hard on the heads of the Spartans.

Here's hoping the Spartans are not carrying their shields after the game tomorrow, but being carried on them.

"I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do...isn't very nice."--Wolverine

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October 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 PM | If he's receiving treatment (Score:1)
MGoLou
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If he's receiving treatment for an injury, doesn't he have to be listed on the injury report? He wasn't listed on the report, so I'm not sure what you mentioned is a possibilty. I could be wrong though.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 PM | Nobody (Score:1)
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Nobody has to be listed on the injury report. This isn't the NFL.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:12 PM | Agreed (Score:1)
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Who knows for sure who's injured and who isn't. For all we know Forcier can't lift a fork right now. It would be good gamesmanship to say he's not hurt and just fine to keep Sparty guessing.

YNWA!

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:36 PM | I just figured that the (Score:1)
MGoLou
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I just figured that the Machine that is the NCAA would regulate that sort of thing even more than the NFL. My mistake.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 PM | For the record.. (Score:1)
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Rodriguez is an advocate of the injury reporting you are talking about. He's publicly stated several times that the NCAA should have NFL type injury reports.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 PM | Insane Spartans (Score:1)
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My Sparty grad niece has called me three times this afternoon running smack stating how badly we are going to get our asses beat. She is already plastered and talking about burning things. How very Sparty of her.

That said, I don't like this game for Michigan at all. Cold and rainy. First road game. True freshman QBs. I am fearful of a Bill Burke type of afternoon where our secondary is just slaughtered. We have been living on the edge it seems all season. I just got a bad feeling about tomorrow.

Feel free to curse me...

YNWA!

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October 2nd, 2009 at 2:31 PM | Curse (Score:1)
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May your putts lip out till M beats OSU.

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October 2nd, 2009 at 3:50 PM | So that's (Score:1)
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So that's been my problem the last 5 years.

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