The last thing I remember about William Carr running the ball is of him fumbling on the 2-yard line.
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With Rodriguez ramping up the media restrictions in the wake of the Jihad and the Daily publishing details of that edge pitch play they debuted against Iowa, glimpses from within Michigan's early practices have been rare. This has ticked off the Blade guy, but come on Blade guy, what do you expect? Rodriguez tried.
Anyway, the Big Ten Network has stopped by and the twitters are lighting up with 140-character bursts of potentially useful information. They are collected below, organized by position and theme. I won't link to each individual tweet but they can be found at @BTNDaveRevsine and @BTNBrentsBlog (by Brent Yarina).
Based on today - tough call on QB situation. All 3 have had some good moments. DR clearly improved as a passer. [Revsine]
Devin Gardner can't put a pass in the wrong place here early on. Rapid fire drill, he's on the money with everything. [Yarina]
Gardner definitely looks like he could get snaps. He's very impressive, but Denard has improved as a passer quite a bit. [Yarina]
It's one day, but #Michigan looks good. If I was making choice, I'd split snaps between Robinson and Gardner. DG is good. [Yarina]
Denard Robinson looks like a completely different passer. Add the threat of pass to his running ability, and #Michigan could give d's fits. [Yarina]
He [Tate] was banged up today. But emergence of Gardner and Denard's improved passing don't help. [Yarina]
UPDATE: one more from Revsine, responding to MVictors about a QB question:
I would definitely say Gardner is in convo - impressive kid. G&H seem to think Robinson is the best of the 3. Tough call.
Yarina posted this picture:
You'll note that Forcier's helmet is plain blue, sans wings. A twitter guy named GoBlueNColumbus (ouch) caught this and started pinging Yarina with questions:
The #Michigan people told us not to read anything into the lack of wings on some helmets. [Yarina]
Didn't pay too much attention [to who didn't have them], to be honest. As far as big names go, though, he was the only one I noticed. [Yarina]
Meanwhile, Rodriguez after the first practice on the "handful" of guys not prepared to play football:
"If they don't [improve their conditioning] they will not have the opportunity to wear the winged helmet on Sept. 4 [in season opener against Connecticut]," Rodriguez said.
Dollars to donuts the plain helmets are a motivational device and that Forcier's absence at offseason workouts has put him in the bad group. They didn't accidentally hand last year's starting quarterback a plain helmet. [UPDATE: Maybe they did? A Countdown to Kickoff video shows Tate in the regular helmet.]
Michigan's facebook page has a set of 20 photos that does not reveal anyone else in the bad group but do show Koger, who had been rumored to be in the handful, in possession of wings.
At Michigan's practice. Love the "M" drill - runner trying to get thru 3 levels of blocking. Saw good moments from Michael Cox & W Campbell [Revsine]
Great energy in 1 on 1 tackle drill. Vlad Emilien just had a big time hit. Sweet move earlier out of Terrance Robinson. [Revsine]
Vladimir Emilien just made a bone-crushing hit on a 1-on-1 drill. The entire defense celebrated the hit. [Yarina]
Good team drill going on right now. Jeremy Jackson looks like he could help at WR. D Robinson clicking nicely with the short stuff. [Revsine]
Marvin Robinson, Brandin Hawthorne and Courtney Avery among the others who had good moments [Revsine]
Gerry and Howard both impressed with Jibreel Black. DiNardo also likes the way Patrick Omameh has looked today. [Revsine]
Loss of Mesko is obviously a concern, but the frehman Hagerup has really boomed a few [Revsine]
One thing's for sure: #Michigan coaches are very intense and vocal. [Yarina]
Mike Martin on difference between this year's defense: "I think we're a lot closer." [Yarina]
Take it for what you will. I'll update this with any subsequent information.
The last thing I remember about William Carr running the ball is of him fumbling on the 2-yard line.
Yes, that's where I was going with that.
Assuming that regardless of what happens in camp DG won't play to start the season. Unless one of them gets hurt early I doubt RR would burn the redshirt right away. But if something happens, awesome luxury to have three.
On the other hand if DG is that good, and we need him, you can't hold back. We get on a run and this could be a 10 win season - can't hold back.
Still, I hope Tate doesn't immediately drop to No. 3. Hate to see someone who did so much last year fall out of the mix.
Nice to finally hear news from an actual football field.
Yes, it's all coming together. Last night I had a dream that I couldn't watch the UCon game but later found out that we won 51-36 and were up 51-3 at one point. Watch out The Knowledge, you may soon have some competition on your hands.
Now if someone could tell me our secondary will be fine, I would feel fantastic.
Our secondary will be fine...?
Ha, sorry that wasn't convincing. Woolfolk and JT will be solid, but we just can't afford to lose either to injury. I could see Cullen Christian getting some meaningful minutes, but having him start, especially in the beginning of the season, spells DOOM in my mind. And as long as our D-Line puts pressure on opposing quarterbacks, we'll manage.
Let's hope DRob can work his magic...
Three years. Three different QBs starting with virtually no experience. I sure hope not.
Man, please make it Tate!
Tate isn't going anywhere...his play last year demonstrated the ability he brings. I'm pretty confident he and Denard will both see lots of the field.
I think highly of Tsate also, but if DRob beats him out, wouldn't that mean that DRob is even better? Just saying that rather than saying "p[lease let it be Tate" or "I really hope it is Denard" wouldn't it make more sense to just be excited that there are 2 real options?
If we are going to play 2 quarterbacks, I would rather they start the runner and bring in the passer if the team gets behind. This is how Bo did it in 79/80 where BJ Dickey or Rick Hewlett would often get the start but everyone would yell at Bo to "Whip out the Wang" to bring John Wangler in whenever things did not start good. Of course in those days with Anthony Carter around, Wangler really should have gotten all the snaps.
+1 to you. I'm a younger dude and would never have known about "whip out the Wang" if it weren't for you.
"Whip out the Wang" would've made a great shirt tho.
I was attending games back then, and the actual crowd chant went like this, in call-and-response fashion:
"Take out the Dick!"
"Put in the Wang!"
Funniest thing I've ever heard at the stadium.
Dollars to donuts the plain helmets are a motivational device and that Forcier's absence at offseason workouts has put him in the bad group.
for non-appearance at voluntary summer workouts.
Same thought crossed my mind. I think more likely related to an expectation in practice that Tate and others haven't met. In other words, Tate's missing summer workouts, caused him to under perform in practice, resulting in a loss of his wings.
Can you imagine the press RR would get if he took Tate's wings away because Tate didn't participate in voluntary summer workouts? Ugh...
RR didn't take away the wings (assuming, for the moment, that he did) because he didn't practice, he took them away because he didn't show up at practice mentally and physically prepared to "play Division 1 football". There's a huge difference between the two.
He was essentially given the keys to the team and could have been in the driver's seat to start this season. If he showed up mentally/physically not ready to play that's entirely on him since as last year's starter he would know the expectations.
I hope he's not turning into Todd Marnovich.
But, I think we have to keep a couple of things in perspective. First, we're putting together some pretty thin, circumstantial evidence, (helmets, Troy's statements, Twitter posts from a reporter, etc.) and deciding that Tate won't be "The Guy". Second, we're using said evidence to paint a picture of a kid who's not as committed to his own future as his teammates are to theirs. That may be carrying the conclusion too far.
expectation that the coaches have that the players be physically and mentally ready to go when camp starts - most were and some weren't. Obviously, although the summer workouts were voluntary, you would expect that players who are expecting to play football or the next 3 months would get their bodies in shape and ready to play.
Nobody said they had to show up at a certain time and place and do certain excercises, but certaintly they should have STAYED in shape during the off-season.
i don't think the wingless helmet is a punishment, maybe they did give him the wrong helmet...it is too harsh of a punishment.
College effin football! I love you... GO BLUE!
Sorry I've been drinking...
So if I'm reading this right, Denard good, Denard fast, Denard accurate, everyone love Denard, DG moving up fast, DG awesome.....Tate....sits down and real tired looking. So, is Tate starting or.....
Since less-than-objective Freep writers can't be specifically banned, all MSM are banned, while BTN gets the story. Somewhere, Grantland Rice is bemoaning the current state of sports journalism.
So difficult filtering through 117 responses with the highest mgopoint given to anyone being +4, way too much reading for me
This is one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of the new MGoPoint system.
...when a posbang is +4 in the new MGoPoints economy
I'll 2nd that and give you a non-transferable +1. Let's hope that Brian figures out that that the ones that think the new voting system is good are the ones unaffected by the change with their thousands of points. Also I agree that a thread with no votes and over a hundred posts in unreadable as there is nothing to make the really good or bad points stand out.
Glad to hear some good things about some defensive players. Hope Vlad and Marvin keep doing work.
or does D-rob look alot bigger?? He looks like a rb.
Nice to hear he had impressive moments in practice. Still holding out hope he impresses enough in practice to get a lot of playing time this year because he could be a absolute force on the line.
D-Rob for president
141 comments! We need some more info to obsess about!
Give tate his wings!! i don't care if he didn't particpate in these voluntary summer workouts ! The man gave us memories we wont ever forget !