This story has been beaten to death...Mallett didn't like it here...he left. Rod did not tell him to leave like Kiffin.
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Do you think RR kicked out Mallet to keep Threet at QB?
No, he made it clear to Mallett that Pryor was "his guy" and Mallett decided that he would be better off going elsewhere.
Even if he did make it clear that he wanted Pryor, so what? That doesn't mean Pryor would have beaten out Mallett or that Rodriguez wouldn't have put in pass plays that would have played to Mallett's strengths. He didn't yank Mallett's scholarship or tell him to go elsewhere. I guarantee you that if Mallett had stayed, we would have seen a different offense this year - maybe not better, but different.
Your last sentence is right on the money.
Mallett was leaving whether Carr was coach, or Rodriguez.
Mallett decided he would be better off going elsewhere the second RR was hired.
He was toying with transfering his first winter here... then during the season (even with playing time). His issues with the coaching staff were pretty well known, pretty much everyone close to the situation called him "uncoachable" and there was even the report that Lloydd threw transfer papers in his face.
RR really didn't try extremely hard to keep Mallett around, I don't think anybody would disagree with that. But at the same time mallett didn't want to be around. RR didn't run him out of town, or anything with pryor... it was a pretty mutual thing.
Mallett decided he would be better off going elsewhere the second RR was hired.
He was toying with transfering his first winter here... then during the season (even with playing time). His issues with the coaching staff were pretty well known, pretty much everyone close to the situation called him "uncoachable" and there was even the report that Lloydd threw transfer papers in his face.
RR really didn't try extremely hard to keep Mallett around, I don't think anybody would disagree with that. But at the same time mallett didn't want to be around. RR didn't run him out of town, or anything with pryor... it was a pretty mutual thing.
I'm curious where you got the "his guy" quote because Rich Rod definitely did not say it like you seem to be implying. Rod barely even had a chance to talk to Mallet (if at all) before Mallet decided to leave. The only quotes I remember from the situation were of Rod saying that he would try and fit the offense around the personnel he had.
If you are going to make a statement such as this you need documented evidence. Is there an article somewhere where Mallett said this, or are you just assuming?
I'm referring to Logan's post for the record.
guy? What is your source? What exactly was said in this meeting.
I have never heard this, as it is undoubtedly untrue. A head coach, calling a high school QB, who has NOT EVEN VERBALLY COMMITTED TO THE SCHOOL, "his guy" would be totally stupid. RR is not stupid.
If Carr stayed, Mallett was gone. That, I think, was a done deal after the "throwing of transfer papers" at Mallett during the season.
IMO, things got so bad between Mallett and Carr that Carr stuck with a totally ineffective Henne against OSU rather than put Mallett in.
Mallett somehow really reminds me of Jeff George, (physically, leadership and attitude-wise, and talent-wise)who played for Purdue as a freshman (and maybe sophmore) before transferring to Illinois.
For all those who HONESTLY believe that Rod really tried hard to encourage Mallett to stay at UM...I got a bridge in Brooklyn that you might want to look at.
Btw, Kiffin did not pull Boyd's scholarship. He was honest with Boyd and told him that he would not likely play QB at Tennessee and Boyd elected to leave. I have a very strong suspicion (admittedly, that is all it is, a suspicion) that a similar conversation occured between Rod and Mallett.
I've been looking for a bridge!
With all due respect to Brian, it's why he's writing for blogs and not coaching.
Let him go coach for awhile and let's see if he still believes that statement. It's easy to coach from a distance. We all do it.
How exactly did Rodriguez "toss away" Mallett?
Mallett was leaving anyway. No matter who the coach was going to be. Ziff72 is right. How many more times you want to beat that thing into the ground?
Therefore, there is no irony.
That is the general consensus on this board, yeah, but how do we actually know this? I'd love to believe that Rich Rodriguez didn't run him away, but as far as I've seen, there isn't much proof.
What proof is out there?
You sir, are a moron.
Witty rejoinder...touche'!
it's interesting to me, that you as a Michigan fan believe speculation that Kiffin's handling of the Boyd situation was on the up and up but that Rodriguez's handling of Mallett was dirty. Read Sharp much?
Maybe Brian was making a comment that using his personal experience as a Michigan fan, he knows how stupid Kiffin is being.
That isn't the pot calling the kettle anything, that's simply saying"I know, because my team did it and it didn't work." I think this quote sums it up best:
"Take it from a Michigan fan: one thing you do not want to do as a first- or second-year head coach is throw out a walk-on or freshman at quarterback."
You're right,Brian probably was indicating that Rod may have screwed the pooch, I should have come up with a better title for the thread...
I still find it laughable that so many people on this forum are belittling me and are absolutely CERTAIN that Rod didn't f*ck up with Mallett.
What decisions has Rod made this year that inspire people with this kind of unwavering confidence? His hiring of Shafer (DC in charge of the worst UM defense of all time)? His blatant "crony-ism" in bringing over "his guys" as coaches without really trying to get the "best and brightest" assistants available?
I want Rod to be successful because I love UM football, but I am not blind to the man's failings. So far he has proven to be a pretty big dissapointment. Still plenty of time to turn it around, but this first year was a failure of EPIC proportion.
"absolutely CERTAIN that Rod didn't f*ck up with Mallett."
And you being absolutely CERTAIN that Rod did fuck up Mallett is different.....because....?
Your last paragraph is such a bunch of bull shit. We've seen troll lines like that so many times here it isn't even funny. This season was only a "failure of EPIC proportion[s]" if you didn't pay attention to a damn thing all season long. There is plenty to be very positive about with this team and the coaching staff. We get it, you don't like Rodriguez (for whatever reason) and nothing is going to change that. Move on already.
But you are not adding in all the variables. Now I will give you the hire of Shafer was not exactly a good move, but it seems to have been more of personality clash thing rather than a philosphy. The D was the worst in history with a HUGE assist from the O. When ever the D hit the field they were behind the 8 ball to produce because offense sure wasn't going to.
Now the second part of the equation is EGO. RR believes his system is the best system. They hired him to run his system here based on the success of him running his system at WV. Now if RR wants to replicate the success he had at WV then he uses the same blue print and if this is the case why go out and get new coaches? It is the old adage if it is not broke don't fix it.
However, the said Shafer hire is a sign that he is willing to try a new method of success if he thinks the old one won't work. The firing of Shafer is another example of that as well.
Again, I think it's more ironic that you are absolutely CERTAIN(!) that Rodriguez was wrong (based on zero evidence) and Kiffin was right. What proof do you have that Kiffin didn't "run off" Boyd? Not that I'm saying he did, but it's basically the same situation, yet you choose to crucify Rodriguez but not Kiffin. Thus, moron.
last 2 highly rated recruiting class disagree with you, but what do they know, right (sarcasm)?
He brought over ever assistant he had from an 11-2 team that subsequently jailsexed OU in the fiesta bowl, and thats cronyism? There is a difference between cronyism and familiarity. When a coach takes a job, he's not going to hire an entirely unfamiliar staff just because they are the "best and brightest assistants" You hire guys you are familiar with because if the coaching staff needs to have a unified message, and that is difficult to accomplish if your staff is just a hodge podge of the hot names at the time.
You know why I think Rodriguez will be succesful, he has been everywhere he has coached. I think that the entire career of the man thus far trumps 1 season with a black hole at the QB position if you are going to look at predicting future results.
Finally, yes, Mallet was leaving no matter what. The only thing Rodriguez could have done to get him to stay was not get hired by Michigan.
Shit, someone has control of the CIP device.
Jack Bauer and Tony Almeida are on it!
Yeah, what Chris just said.
between Mallett and Boyd was that Mallett needed to be coddled. He wanted to be treated like a star and told how much the program needed him. Of course, RR's position was, if you are at Michigan, you should want to play for Michigan. If you don't want to play for Michigan, you don't have to. And as we all know, Mallett chose the latter so RR released him of his obligations to the university. Just like he released every other kid who walked away without restrictions. That is why fatty fat tom cat could pick up and walk down the street and play road block for da sour nuts. Now what I will say is that it was a clash of ego's between Mallett and Rodriquez. But RR didn't show him the door. He just held it for him as he left.
Exactly, and if it were a clash of egos that's a battle that the coach SHOULD win every single time.
same thing at Oakland. He didn't want Jamarcus Russell for the first pick, he wanted a pocket passer. He doesn't want to have to teach mechanics for his system. He's looking for a Matt Lienart type of QB, great throwing ability, good mechanics, and can escape if need be, not run because you can.
That's the main reason he got fired from Oakland, he didn't want to work with Russell. He wanted a pocket passer with a strong arm. That why Russell would be pulled out of games instead of sticking with him.
there are, and always will be, two camps to this debate:
Those who are informed. Those folks know that the worst kept secret during the 2007 season was not that it was Lloyd's last season, but that mallet had been pondering a tranfer, even as he started a few games, and that he clashed with his teammates and coaches regularily.
Did the coaching change help foster his transfer. Yes, because he was unsure he wanted to play here to begin with and pretty sure he didn't want to play for RR. RR tried to re-recruit him, but decided its the kids decision and since he did not want to be here, he could not convince him otherwise.
Then, there is the other camp of folks, who grumble about RR running off Mallet even though there are no facts to support that....who claim he told Mallet it was Pryor's job and he would warm the bench.....those are straw man arguments.
Ryan Mallet was transferring regardless of the coach. We were saying that during most of the 2007 season.
If anyone was surprised at his transfer, then they weren't playing attention and were not informed....there's nothing wrong with being a fan just on Saturday....hardly.....but try and get the facts before spouting off.
Bingo. Excellent post. Those who have paid attention know this and those that haven't been paying attention (e.g., the OP) don't know this. Which is exactly why the OP's entire premise is flawed.
Indeed. When it's known as fact that two people with as disparate personalities as Lloyd Carr and Mario Manningham have gone off on you and you don't seem to get along with either of them, your head coach and your #1 receiver, it's a pretty safe assumption that he didn't get a long with a whole lot more of the team and coaching staff as well.
I remember getting mad at Manningham when he was chewing Mallet's ass on the sideline. Then the more I found out about Mallet I was like "Ohhhh...I get it Super Mario. I'm an idiot. Carry on."
Put aside Mallett's personality or anything Rodriguez did for a second:
Rodriguez is a coach with a track record of running the all a lot, and asking the QB to run the ball a fair amount (even when he didn't have White, guys like Marshall ran for 400-500 yards a year, and King ran for 800). Mallett wasn't (isn't) that sort of QB. Why on earth would he have stayed? We saw how much Threet struggled.
My point is that Rodriguez didn't have to do anything, and Mallett could have behaved like a boy scout, and there would have still been ample rationale for him to leave.
I'll never understand those trying to decipher whether Mallett was pushed or not when the main point is that as a pure drop back QB, with limited mobility and no desire to run regularly he SHOULD want to transfer when Rich Rodriguez shows up to coach your team.
exactly.
Couldn't have said IT better myself. Whatever people think of Mallet the PERSON (he sounds like a decent kid who had reservations about playing for Carr after his freshman year, and saw the writing on the wall when RR arrived), the kid SHOULD have left considering the offense he was RECRUITED FOR was probably not going to be the one he was going to run. As they say, SQUARE peg in a ROUND hole.
Honestly, given everything that people close to the situation have reported, calling Mallett a decent kid might be a stretch. Word is he rubbed a whole lot of people on the team the wrong way.
My favorite defense on a message board is poster's opinion being subjected to criticism because he used definitive statment's like "RR ran Mallett off and didn't try to keep him at all". Then said poster defends his opinion by saying "you don't know for certain that's what happened". Yet, his statement implies certainty.
Ah! Hypocrisy, my one true love.
I suggest Mgoblog proceeds to implement "Tard Tests" before posters are given full ability to make forum threads and diaries here.
This is the ugliest type of troll behaviour. Instead of flaming Michigan this type of troll tries to start a fire from within. The trick is to profess your love for Michigan while at the same tearing Michigan down at every turn. They hide behind a mask in the hope no one will see they are only sowing seeds of discontent.
Yep. A dead giveaway on this troll is her response in the thread asking about LOIs and they way she framed her answer specifically toward OSU.
Listen I love MICHIGAN I have PLAQUES on the wall at Yost I'm just saying that ND is going to go 11-1 next year, OSU is unbeatable, MSU is dominating in-state recruiting, and I have A LOT OF RESERVATIONS about Rich Rod don't you think he is the WRONG hire and an EPIC failure I think we will never win a game EVER AGAIN don't get me wrong i love MICHIGAN and hope we do well but I think Rich Rod is a scum bag sleazy asshole who wouldn't be fit to coach a pop warner team and he pooped in Ryan Mallet's cheerios the day he was hired BUT I LOVE MICHIGAN I SWEAR
blueman is the worst offender of this type of trolling here currently
There is only one troll on this board but they go by many different names. His name: Ellipses Man.
(Dex shivers/lights cigarette/takes swig of whiskey)
E-Man has posted here under at least three different names, I'm convinced.
of blueman??!!
What would you like on your "Tombstone"?
LOL that sounds right on the money.
...there was a poster who came on infrequently. She claimed to be the housemate of Ryan Mallett's girlfriend. The things she posted seemed legit, though she did have an ax to grind because she thought he was a douche and treated her friend like shit. She kept saying throughout the season that no one should count on Mallett for the future because he hated it here and had very few friends.
I took her at face value because her posting style seemed legit, the things she said meshed with reality as observed by others, and she was eventually proven right.
Which is more than I can say for Logan88.
I can't believe this thread has 55 posts and no one has mentioned that even if Lloyd pulled Mallet's scholarship, the situation would be in no way, by definition of the word, "ironic". Does anyone even know what irony really means!?! Am I an engineering graduate preaching good English on the internet!?!
We all know what ironic means. It's like rain on your wedding day.
I thought it was like 1000 spoons, when all you need is a knife.
Personally, I expect rain on my wedding day - payback for being a total asshole no doubt.
Is it just me or does this board devolve into Alanis Morrissette quotes a little too often?
Also, you forgot a zero.
Too often? Whoa.
I was gonna say not often enough. It's been like 2 months, man.
I'm just sayin', where's the love for Sheryl Crow and Jewel and that one chick from the Cardigans?
Yodel-odel-ay-ee-hoo.
There's my shoutout to Jewel.
With their tanks, and their bombs, and their bombs, and their guns, in your head, in your head, they are dying....
He said Cardigans, not Cranberries.
This fuckin' guy...
*snort*
beg the recruits to...
Love me love me
say that you love me
leave me leave me
just say that you need me
I can't care about anything but you
Hey man, just thinking outside of the box.
Is absurdly hot. Seriously. Go watch the Lovefool video on youtube.
I used to watch MTV only when she was on there.
Well, that and the MTV Spring Break with all the girls in bikinis.
Now thanks to youtube I can skip all of the MTV crap and go directly to the crap that features a hot Swedish girl.
10,000 spoons, thank you very much.
that irony meant "made entirely of iron"
could you use it in a sentence please.
Iron Man is extremely irony.
Or would that be "ironified"? Grammar police?
The irony about an ironified Iron Man with an ironical smile is that he does not taste irony.
No homo.
i was going for a King of Queens--Arthur Spooner reference here
no, no, It's a death Roh pardon, two minutes too late.
or the good advice you just didn't take.
who would have thought "it figures"?
there to remind you. Of the mess he left when he went away.
he oughtta know
I don't recall Mallet coming out and saying RR ran him off. I would think that would be the first words out of Mallet's mouth if that were the case. It is because there is NO proof of what happened that rumors like this get started.
Considering he and his parents had something to say to the media every fifteen minutes, it would have been out there. They were no Borens, but they weren't far off.
I find it strange you are putting the burden of proof on us to prove that Mallett wasn't run off by Rodriguez, when you made the original claim that he did run Mallett off. You made the initial claim, it's your duty to back it up, not ours. And please don't put up anything from any Detroit paper or ESPN, or basically any MSM moron who doesn't know any better saying that Rodriguez ran off Mallett when the only somewhat insider information hinted that Mallett was a goner long before Rodriguez came into the picture.
We need to focus in on what is important because I fear we are digressing too far away from quoting Alanis
I'm young and I'm underpaid
I think it's more like meeting the man of my dreams and then meeting his beautiful wife...
Regardless of what the story really is between RR and Mallet, the siuations are different when compared to Kiffin/Boyd. Mallet was a current player who was thinking about transfering and RR simple said if you don't want to be here thats fine, here is your transfer papers and the door. Kiffin told a kid who was committed to another coach that he wasn't wanted anymore. RR had an oportunity to do that with some of Lloyd's recruits but he instead rerecruited them for the most part (Weinke saw the writing on the wall and new he didn't fit the spread, hardly RR's fault). So the situations aren't the same if you really think about it.
So it's not really like a black fly in your Chardony.
I really think what the OP is trying to say is that Brian has one hand in his pocket, and the other is flickin' off Lane Kiffin.
They're really saying that RR had one hand in his pocket, and the other was hailing a taxi cab (for Ryan Mallett).
LC was personally interviewed in Orlando inside the Best Buy store on the day the team was shopping for their bowl gifts. He was quoted in that interview as "knowing what Ryan Mallett is going to do, but will leave it to Ryan to announce his plans". Mallett had already made up his mind before RR ever took over the team. RR did nothing but facilitate his decision.
As far as RR forcing Mallett out, what it all boils down to is that no one's got it all figured out just yet.
You live, you learn.
Than my middle school daughter, who likes Colbie Caillaitt.
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-Colbie Caillat
Sounds like a bad case of foot fungus.
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