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Points And Voting And Whatnot

By Brian — July 4th, 2009 at 1:03 PM — 69 comments

Step two in the master plan to provide users tools to moderate themselves has been deployed: there are +1/-1 buttons on comments and posts now. This has been met with some displeasure. An explanation of what's going on right now:

  1. You can vote up or down on any comment, forum post, or diary entry. Up votes are worth two points, down votes minus one. This, combined with the points you get for posting stuff, should make it hard for anyone who's not seriously annoying the great majority of the commenters to see their points dip as a result.
  2. Dipping into negative points will put you into the "troll" role and spur me to look at the user's recent activity to see whether the user should be banned, or just told to cool it, man.

There are some abuse failsafes built in now and more will be added if—when—people start abusing the system. For one: I am probably going to make a downvote cost the voter points, too, to further restrict wanton point-bashing. Please report any bugs, or ideas, to mgoblog@gmail.com.

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July 4th, 2009 at 1:11 PM | Location of Buttons (Score:1)
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Brian, Where are the buttons to +1/-1? Is there a way to place them in the box that displays our total points (right under our display picture?)

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."

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July 4th, 2009 at 2:07 PM | i think you need 20 points to (Score:1)
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i think you need 20 points to access that

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July 4th, 2009 at 2:46 PM | You are correct sir (Score:1)
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You need at least 20 points to utilize this new feature.

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:06 AM | +1? (Score:1)
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...so I am still on my quest for 20 - if I cannot access point voting for others, are others still able to vote on me?

For example, if I just spam this thread to hit my 20 posts could I possibly end up with a huge negative score? *whistles*

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:07 AM | I (Score:1)
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I

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:07 AM | Just (Score:1)
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Just

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:07 AM | want (Score:1)
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want

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to

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:08 AM | be (Score:1)
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be

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:08 AM | able (Score:1)
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able

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:08 AM | to (Score:1)
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to

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:09 AM | post (Score:1)
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post

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:09 AM | and (Score:1)
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and

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:09 AM | vote (Score:1)
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vote

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:09 AM | the (Score:1)
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July 5th, 2009 at 11:09 AM | same (Score:1)
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same

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:09 AM | as (Score:1)
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as

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:10 AM | everyone (Score:1)
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everyone

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:10 AM | else20!!!!1111!!!! ;) (Score:1)
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else20!!!!1111!!!! ;)

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:23 AM | Does anyone else (Score:1)
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find it hilarious that he's at 4 because of this utter desperation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A&feature=related

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:28 AM | no kidding :) ya'll are a (Score:1)
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no kidding :) ya'll are a tough crowd :)

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July 5th, 2009 at 11:29 AM | BOOM! (Score:1)
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MGoBlog'd

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We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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July 6th, 2009 at 1:14 PM | Hate to break it to you but... (Score:1)
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...your plan backfired...extremely...badly

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July 6th, 2009 at 9:53 AM | wow (Score:1)
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The most futile, self-defeating thing I've seen on the Internet this morning . . . and that's saying something, considering The Internet.

Peace
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July 5th, 2009 at 11:21 AM | so this experiment was a huge (Score:1)
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so this experiment was a huge success! After hitting 20 points for about a total of 5 minutes, I am now at 4 points! What an awesome community!!!! ;p

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July 6th, 2009 at 1:17 PM | The lesson here (Score:1)
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The lesson here is that when you spam, it takes only a few people to completely destroy your score.

The power of multiplication has triumphed.

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July 4th, 2009 at 1:13 PM | So did end up giving Barking (Score:1)
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So did you end up giving Barking his points back?

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July 4th, 2009 at 1:13 PM | I think in time this will work out. (Score:1)
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I don't have a real problem with the downvote costing the voter points too. I think that that approach will help to foster a more positive environment.

But perhaps each day/week/month everyone gets a certain small number of "free" downvotes, but I don't know if that could be done easily.

Edit: And for some reason, I just don't think someone should be able to vote themselves points.

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July 4th, 2009 at 1:28 PM | If a down vote costs you a (Score:1)
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If a down vote costs you a point, it may reduce genuine abuses. I am still opposed on principle. Anonymous "thumbs down" are a bad idea, rife for abuse because they are anonymous. If you dislike an opinion, man up and let the accused face his accuser.

Cranky, long-time MGoBlogger, prone to shooting his mouth off from time-to-time, missing the days of the neg-bang and a proud member of the "06/30/2008 Club".

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July 4th, 2009 at 2:39 PM | That's what (Score:1)
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the reply button is for. Just sayin'

I like this idea. We don't need this board to turn into slop. I can go to Mlive if I want retarded responses to everything.

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July 4th, 2009 at 1:29 PM | Thanks. (Score:1)
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Thanks for taking the time to address this on the holiday Brian.

Love & Hate are horns on the same goat.

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July 4th, 2009 at 1:32 PM | Yes..thanks for taking the (Score:1)
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Yes..thanks for taking the time to post a FAQ

Cranky, long-time MGoBlogger, prone to shooting his mouth off from time-to-time, missing the days of the neg-bang and a proud member of the "06/30/2008 Club".

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July 4th, 2009 at 2:20 PM | ohhh (Score:1)
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that makes sense, i was wondering where they were...

Go Blue
F%ck the Bucks

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:15 PM | Good Start! (Score:1)
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It will require a few tweaks along the way, but a system like this is needed. Too many threads were devolving into a bunch of babble, usually spurred on by a few individuals.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:19 PM | When Good Ideas Attack (Score:1)
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I agree: That's what the "reply" button is for. It's also what the "scroll" key is for.

But of course, that's too much work for Message Board Guy. He'd rather have everyone they disagree with banned.

Of course, this does save all the cries to Daddy such as, "Waah, I don't like that guy, Brian, Ban him!"

But the idea that a community can be self moderated is a good one--and so is the idea that built in abuse controls are there (though I can't see how they could be or ever could be enough to stop abuse).

The one post about "tribalism" sums it up pretty well--these boards are just like playgrounds. Ya got bullies, people that stand behind their backs tossing stones, people who run to the teacher whenever someone does something "bad", gangs and cliques--and only a few who really want to get in there and play dodgeball.

I also wonder if it will eliminate posters from other fan bases. Boy, do these Wolverine fans hate it when Sparties and Buckeyes show up on their boards. I like it when fans of opposing teams get in there and mix it up.

People just need to kind of grow up and allow FREE SPEECH to play itself out once in awhile. I mean, I post something that riles a UM fan--and that guy posts something obscene--which is really worse? Who decides what's good or bad? What is good or bad? Why orwhy not?

Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:24 PM | No Sooner Does the Abuse Word Get mentioned (Score:1)
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And I have -26 MgoPoints. Obviously, this system is tres flawed--and obviously, the minions from Scout have been called over to vote me out.

Give me a cigarette and a Budweiser for my last meal, you fuckers.

Winning breeds confidence. Losing breeds reality.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:29 PM | You don't think it's your charming posting personality? (Score:1)
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I mean, seriously, you criticize and foam at the mouth about conspiracies and surprise! People vote your posts down. The readers get to decide -- that's what the points are all about.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:39 PM | Charming? (Score:1)
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Happy 4th of July, Other Chris!

Make it a great day!

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:44 PM | Um, thanks (Score:1)
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I think.

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July 4th, 2009 at 10:24 PM | The reason that we can't have (Score:1)
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The reason that we can't have a self-moderated community is because people like you do not know when to stop talking. Have you actually stopped to consider that there might be a reason why you have so may negative points? It's not because everyone else is a bully, or a whiner that runs to Brian, its because you make stupid, speculative posts that go on for pages. People don't care what you have to say, yet you have an opinion on everything. If you would moderate yourself, we wouldn't need a point system like this. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:29 PM | It's not a fluke that you (Score:1)
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It's not a fluke that you went down to minus 207 and then you got all your points back and just 2 hours later your back down to minus 28, mabye it's you that's flawed not the system.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:32 PM | You noticed that too? (Score:1)
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I thought was just me.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:35 PM | The only thing that (Score:1)
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bothers me about him being so far in the negative is that I won't get to at least see what the next diary he promised was all about. I still want to know!

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:51 PM | I thought of that too, and would want to know, but you know what (Score:1)
Blue Durham
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Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 985

they say - beware of what you wish for, you just might get it. But without a doubt, the thread would have been active.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:40 PM | Yeha i did it's pretty bad (Score:1)
Sebie
Joined: 12/16/2008
MGoPoints: 5

Yeha i did it's pretty bad when you recieve a second chance and still manage to screw it up.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:41 PM | sorry that was meant as a (Score:1)
Sebie
Joined: 12/16/2008
MGoPoints: 5

sorry that was meant as a response to Blue durham not Michfan1997.

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July 4th, 2009 at 4:53 PM | Motion to change "mgopoints" (Score:1)
Yinka Double Dare
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1905

Motion to change "mgopoints" to "Tacopoints". I like my points to be eleven feet tall and made of dreams just like my imaginary receivers.

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July 4th, 2009 at 9:05 PM | seconded (Score:1)
colin
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Joined: 07/01/2008
MGoPoints: 1332

for great mgojustice

...the Canadians make up for it with their emotion and classic ice-dancing skill.

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July 4th, 2009 at 6:45 PM | I like this new feature... (Score:1)
WestCoastWolverine
Joined: 10/09/2008
MGoPoints: 768

I don't mind dissenting opinions, as long as they remain respectful. Nobody likes a trash talker or someone whose major goal in life is to stick it to Michigan fans. Buckeyes and Spartans are cool with me. They just need to remember that they're posting on a Michigan blog.

OK...just one more point and I'm at 20! Woo hoo!

Hoke bitches...Hoke.

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July 5th, 2009 at 12:53 AM | OK! (Score:1)
WestCoastWolverine
Joined: 10/09/2008
MGoPoints: 768

I'm +2! This is tight!

Hoke bitches...Hoke.

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