Band playing? Zoltan falls.
Music playing? Zoltan punts.
coincidence? i think not.
* 5: I love it.
* 4: It's better than nothing
* 3: It's the same as nothing
* 2: It's worse than nothing
* 1: It is the devil.
Band playing? Zoltan falls.
Music playing? Zoltan punts.
coincidence? i think not.
should i change your username to Boda, or is this a phase?
my mom keeps telling me i'll grow out of it but god i want a prom date THIS YEAR, NOT NEXT
Does "nothing" imply the inability to hear the band? That should be explicitly stated in one of the options.
Booooo not hearing the band unless you are standing directly in front of them.
I'm pretty meh about the piped in music, football seemed much more important on Saturday.
Agreed on those points. (Sorry, MGoBrian!)
Section 20 chiming in to ask:
We have a band?
And it plays some sort of music DURING the game?
Whoever schemed to put the band on the sideline, instead of the endzone, seriously miscalculated who'd be able to hear them. My seats have moved towards the band, and I haven't heard much of them the past 3 years in sections 18 or 19 (or as noted above, 20).
To the muzak detractors...(as suggested in another post) let's hear some new Detroit stuff. Kid, Eminem, White Stripes. Or older stuff, with AA's Bob Seger. Or pipe in Revelli's/Cavender's Greatest. Just not silence.
I agree totally with the Detroit stuff. For these purposes: White Stripes > GNR; Bob Seger > Neil Diamond (by a mile). I loathe Boston and don't want to be reminded of them while in the Big House.
But I'm in favor of the pre-recorded MMB as the first choice.
but I feel like its nearly impossible to pull off without either going the shitty "Don't Stop Believing" cheeseball route, faux tough guy "Enter Sandman" route or the "Ice Ice Baby" crappy morning radio sound drop style of a minor league hockey game.
so as a result I voted its the same as nothing. good they're making an effort, but I have serious doubts about whether they can pull it off.
I might be more in favor of it occasionally if the music wasn't horrible.
Sweet Caroline? That was the low-point of Saturday, forget losing the shutout.
I prefer all of the rock... BUT... Remember...
Change is very difficult for many people... especially older, "blue haired" people.
Maybe we need to mix in a little Sweet Caroline to mitigate Hells Bells, Roxanne, Teacher/Teacher, etc.... negative effect on the blue hairs to allow them to accept the music.
I can tell you, Sections 36-38 ( I am in 37) most fans were singing along and enjoying the music.
I truly feel that the in-game experience needs this, especially if we are going to take the program to the next level. It will definetly help people get their butts off their hands and clap, help cheer, get into the game.... and is that not what many, many posters have complained about, not enough fan noise?
good overall, but largely dependent on what they're playing.
Guns N' Roses? Good.
Journey? Okay, I guess... if we're winning.
Neil Diamond? Hell no.
I find AC/DC and GNR to be waaayyy cliche...Journey and Neil Diamond seem like artists that you would be less likely to hear in a stadium. I found the students to be much more receptive to "Don't Stop Believing" and "Sweet Caroline". But hey, that's just my e-pinion. I think a lot of this discussion has to do with the individual's taste in music.
I hope you were being sarcastic about Neil Diamond being one of "artists you would be less likely to hear in a stadium" line.
Here is a list from wikipeida of the teams that play it at their games:
Peninsula Pilots (between 8th and 9th innings)
Brazos Valley Bombers (middle of 8th innings)
New York Giants
Cleveland Cavaliers (during halftime)
New York Mets
Central Washington University Rugby Club
University of Minnesota Duluth
University of Pittsburgh football (between 3rd and 4th quarter)
Boston Red Sox (middle of eighth inning)
San Diego Padres
Portland Sea Dogs (ME)
Rochester Red Wings
Ohio State University
Texas Christian University
Detroit Red Wings
Washington Nationals (during the visiting team's first pitching change, usually in the 6th inning or later)
Brevard County Manatees
San Jose Giants
Portland Beavers (OR)
Lowell Spinners (during the middle of the eighth inning)
University of Mississippi
University of Virginia
Vanderbilt University baseball games
University of North Carolina
University of South Carolina
University of Wyoming
Florida State University sporting events
University of Kansas
Michigan State University
Wofford College baseball games
Washington State University basketball games
New York Jets home games
UMass Amherst hockey games
Green Bay Blizzard
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Central Michigan University
Iowa State University football games
Bowling Green State University football and hockey games
Indiana University basketball
University of Alberta football (after wins)
UCF Knights baseball games, usually in the 7th inning.
The Washington Glory of National Pro Fastpitch also play Sweet Caroline during their games.
The Carolina Panthers of the NFL play "Sweet Caroline" after a home game that ends in victory.
Somerville High School (Massachusetts)
Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets baseball games
Johnstown Chiefs of the ECHL during the 2nd intermission of home games at the Cambria County War Memorial Arena.
Lake Erie Monsters
Syracuse Crunch Toward the end of the second intermission.
Guilford College baseball games
Odessa RoughnecksIndoor Football League team
University of Miami baseball games at the end of 6.
Ottawa Rapids bankrupt
New York Rangers last minutes of the 3rd period in MSG if the Rangers have a substantial lead or in the Rangers locker room.
Centreville High School (Fairfax County, Virginia)
Shillington Dodgers Jr. Legion Baseball(Shillington, PA)
Brown University Band performs Sweet Caroline most frequently as a late-game cheer, and occasionally during halftime show.
[[Portland Beavers Baseball @ PGE Park
"Sweet Caroline" is arguably the most overplayed stadium song there is.
I wonder if opinions on the music will change as the season goes on. It's one thing to hear Sweet Caroline when we're up 31 (24?) points on WMU... it's another thing to hear it when we're in the 4th quarter in a tight game.
If they're going to play it, I at least hope that they keep the game situations in mind...
It's my understanding that the MMB show this week is Neil Diamond. I can see some Mgobloggers' heads exploding.
we might as well adapt that annoying "Nittany Lion/NU Wildcat roar" and call it the Wolverine Growl, played ad nauseam as well as get a couple of Godzillatrons showing cute animations and commercials during timeouts. At Halftime they can just tune into ESPN....
in the meantime, the band needs to get rid of all but two piccolos as well as most of the winds/reeds and be all brass.
Clearly, if you are under the impression that a band that is all brass and just blasts all the time is the greatest thing on the face of the earth, you are mistaken. The instrumentation that the band has is there for a reason. It is a marching band, not a drum corps. I think that your suggestion to just throw away the tradition of the MMB is almost as ridiculous as that stupid Wildcat Roar. BTW: You do realize that brass instruments are wind instruments, right?
by any chance do you understand the significance of my username? Please refrain from lecturing me about band traditions and instrumentation, and I'll try my best to avoid the argument ad hominem that you otherwise so richly deserve.
Btw- up until Cavender retired, there were exactly two piccolos in the MMB, and trust me, the only people who can hear clarinets are those no more than 10 feet away. If the problem is not being able to hear the band, the instrumentation can be adjusted accordingly, and there is precedent even in the Big Ten for all brass bands.
Okay, as a recent MMB graduate myself, let me say a few things. First, be nice. I get the feeling this jongent kid knows what he's talking about.
Second, yeah, you're not gonna hear the piccs and sticks on the field (well, I did, at least), but there's a very distinct difference between ensembles with and without woodwinds. OSU's band is all brass, and they sound incredibly different from us (hint: not better). Woodwinds add color that you don't get with all brass ensembles (save DCI, but that's a whole different story).
Finally, even if we did switch to all brass, pumping up the volume comes at a cost--tone. I'd rather have the band sound good and maybe a bit softer than blast full volume but sound like Wisconsin (hint: not good). The MMB is known around the nation for its quality of sound, and that's probably the most important tradition it needs to maintain.
If they're going to play something over the speakers, can't they mike the band? Please!? I hate only hearing the visiting band week after week in section 16...
Cosign this. I think there are sound quality and ncaa regulatory issues though - there were some lengthy board discussions over the summer.
Judicial use of the music is okay with me, but I would want some edgier, better riffs that aren't as cliche as G&R 'Welcome to the Jungle' and the like.
Given the building materials used for the renovations and general idea we want to convey about the stadium, couldn't we replace 'Sweet Caroline' with 'Brick House'? It would also beg for some sort of group action/participation ala 'Jump Around'
You could even replace 'Brick' with 'Big' for the sing-along aspect. It is easily dance-able and somewhat funky and cool.
please god no with brick house
Brian, what was that fake email for Bill Martin?
Also, are these poll results going to be sent to that same address as proof that piped-in music DOES NOT COMPUTE?
My vote is for pumped-in MMB, the remix.
Prerecorded and sound engineered drums and sticks so I can clap my ass off in rhythm. Tandem the pumped-in drums and bass boom with the on-field sticks for ultimate clap and cheer-along intensity. It will be deafening and awesome.
Rocky and Bullwinkle with prerecorded 'fun-for-the-whole-family' video. Send cameras around to capture the fans' best Bullwinkle impressions.
Take Bill Martin's 25 song playlist, give the MMB a couple months to put together 20 or so 10-30 second cuts, and studio enhance the bejesus out of them. Prompt the fans with "clap" or "sing along", whathaveyou, and you get the best of both worlds.
How is this a problem? Isn't this change we can believe in?
I was hoping for the same thing. Just use band prerecordings of these songs instead.
I can't even hear the band so it doesn't matter to me. I wish they'd either put them at the 50 yard line or mic them up.
Personally I'm not a fan, however if they decide to keep the music Sweet Caroline HAS to go.
I hope everyone else who has been to the Horseshoe cringed in horror when it came on.
Agree 100% percent.
Mic Up The Band!!!
What the heck. If there is a problem with some folks hearing the band, put in microphones and blast the band over the loudspeakers playing Blues Brothers, Temptation, Hawaiian War Chant, etc.
Now that would be awesome.
BTW, "Better than nothing" is pretty pathetic. So, almost 88% of the folks (so far) don't like this.
They can't mic the band.
They can't mic the band.
They can't mic the band.
My thoughts: its fine during media timeouts when the band isn't doing anything. Even then, I want it to be rare - no more than 3-4 times/game.
Are you saying it is technically impossible?
EDIT: Oops, sorry, I had not seen the info about it was not allowed by the NCAA (or whoever).
This-here blog doesn't agree with the posters that keep saying that it's "not allowed by the NCAA (or whoever)." (quoting because it's a useful distillation, not mocking): http://mgoblog.com/content/can-we-amplify-band
The problem (er, this facet of it) does appear to be more technical in nature.
Piped-in music might be the only thing I dislike about the RR regime. It brings a pleasantly old-school atmosphere close to the insipid, focus-grouped, Applebeed atmosphere of pro sports.
I generally HATE piped in music. I went to the UM-PSU game last year and felt like I was at an arena football game it was so generic and sterile.
But if you're going to play piped in music, shouldn't it be something that the band isn't capable of playing? The AC/DC stuff would qualify. The rest of what they played is probably something the MMB can already play from memory. That was lame.
Here's what I'd propose:
1. Figure out how to put the band over the speakers. I know it is really tough, but there are some really smart people at UM who should be able to figure it out.
2. Relocate the band somewhere else that maximizes the number of people who can hear them. I propose in the endzone, though I realize that there are some logistical challenges with field access points.
3. Perhaps consider piping the BAND playing pre-recorded stuff over the speakers. A bit cheesy I realize, but could be a nice compromise.
4. Limit how much you do it and keep it to meaningful stuff. I didn't expect to be treated to 1980's ballads.
why don't they just get some recordings of The Victors and some of the marching band stuff and play that? yeah its kind of a slap in the face to the band, but if you don't tell anyone, most people will thinks its just a reverberation/feedback type of thing and thats why the live band sounds out of sync with the loud speakers after touchdowns.
also, 80s hair metal sucks. especially as stadium rock. i'd much rather have funk.
If they are going to pipe in music, they need to figure out the best times to do it. Playing Don't Stop Believing when we're up 31-0 doesn't really have any effect. And I am pretty much anything anti-Boston, so no Sweet Caroline.
They should also consider stuff from, I don't know, the past 20 years? Why not some Seven Nation Army?
Can we agree on a compromise that satisfies both the RAWK fans as well as the elitists? For example, the string quartet arrangement of "Don't Stop Believing" as heard in "The Wedding Singer"?
I think the piped in music is crap. I went on the road to PSU last year and hearing all the hype of that stadium, I thought it was going to be an epic experience. Could I have been more wrong? (The correct answer is no). I thought the overall experience there made that annoying Wildcat Roar at NU look amazing. The band never played, and I thought that the experience overall was extremely underwhelming. I have never been to a game at the Big House that has had an atmosphere quite that bad. Maybe it was all the hype I had been hearing. Maybe I am biased. I just think that the great band we have is better than the best music you can pipe in no matter how loud or cool it is.
They should just pre-record the band and then pipe it in while the band pretends to play (can a band lip-sync). This seems to be the best way way to get around the silly rule that they can't mic the band or electronically enhance it while playing live.
I'm not voting because a category is missing:
3b: It depends entirely on what's being played and when it's being played
If the right songs are selected and they're played at the right times, I have no problem with it. Lexus Larry's suggestion of newer Detroit stuff like White Stripes is great, as would be some other local bands that we haven't been beaten to death with already. Really old Seger would be fine, his "Like A Rock" crap not so much. Some funk would be great, too. As long as what's chosen is up-tempo and not plodding.
This is what I was thinking when I voted for 3.
Learn to love the pumped in music. I doubt it is going to go anywhere anytime soon. There's certainly a split between the two camps. The anti-music camp is going to send in their complaining emails, the pro piped in music is going to send in their supporting emails. They've already said they want to increase the Big House atmosphere. By cutting out the piped in music and allowing the band to play to the 1/5 of the stadium that can hear them doesn't really do a whole lot. I think the compromise is to pipe in some tracks from the Marching Band's CD, assuming they still make one.
If they are going to play music then they should at least be intelligent enough to select songs that you don't hear everywhere else all the time. Sweet Caroline, ACDC, GNR make my head want to explode. It's embarrassing to play the same crap, that's all I'm saying.
on the face of it, I'm not liking the idea of piping in music as it seems/is lazy. we can do better. I'm no sound engineer but it seems we could point the band's instruments towards the patrician suites to bounce it towards the rest of the stadium??? or some such thing. didn't go to WMU game but will be at ND at which point I'll have a better understanding of the question.
Email I just sent to Bill Martin, et al:
As an alumnus of the University of Michigan, and a four-year member of the Michigan Marching Band, I am writing you to voice my displeasure over the playing of pre-recorded music at Michigan Stadium. I have been attending games at Michigan Stadium since 1989, and one of the components of the Big House experience I have always treasured is the reverence our University holds for the tradition and pageantry of intercollegiate football.
The Athletic Department has always been supportive and accommodating to marching bands, cheerleaders, and the many other things that make college football unique and special. I put pre-recorded music at our Stadium alongside advertising as something I hoped I would never see. When I think autumn Saturdays in Ann Arbor, I don’t think Neil Diamond or AC/DC pounding over the speaker system. Our Stadium is not a professional venue. It is disrespectful to the hard work both the Michigan Marching Band and our visiting bands put in during the week to relegate them to visual props while the Athletic Department plays songs that have little to no relevance to the University of Michigan.
Over the past few months, we have heard the phrase “Family Values” used in reference to our football program. Whether or not this phrase has been warranted, I think it is certainly fair to say in this instance that one of the “Family Values” of Michigan Stadium is the maintenance of what makes our game day experience great. Modernity has its place, but the timelessness of Michigan Football is more important. We should be mindful that our tradition and values set us apart from the rest, and that as the University of Michigan, we should be able to foster a great experience for our fans without having to lean on pre-recorded music.
Thank you for your consideration!
Thanks for this!
I used the exact same template/format/language but reversed it to advocate for piped in music!
The band was good 10 years ago. It sucks now. Blame it on whatever you like, a lack of music programs in high school, lack of interest in high school band, video games, poor leadership, acoustics, new location or RAWK music. I almost feel bad for them. They practice all week to play on the weekend and you just can't hear them.
College football as we know it is evolving. The Big House will have functioning luxury boxes next year(Met with a huge backlash), we have a flashy coach and a flashy offense (Obviously met with a lot of backlash) , we have a dreadlocked quarterback (This is just plain awesome). Trying to change the piped in music is a pipe dream, you would be better served spending your time lobbying to ensure advertising stays out of the big house and lobbying against night games. Those are the inevitable next steps.
one of the LAMEST things about going to a UM game late in the season is the stupid cake formation.
personally, i try to avoid the game when they do the cake formation because it's completely dumb; and other schools probably laugh at how lame it looks.