Picture Pages: Various Plays Of No Interest Comment Count

Brian

Every time I post a play analysis these days there are a half-dozen people in the comments who mention that if player X did hard thing Y they are not prepared to do then the play would work. This has gotten to the point where I can explicitly prepare for such criticism and find them ignored, as in the most recent one, and find a diary on this site asserting that if player X did hard thing Y something would have worked.

This is extremely frustrating to me, because these are good-faith attempts to paint broader pictures of what I'm seeing down to down, game after game, year after year, as I try to figure out what Michigan football is doing. Various critics, most prominently Space Coyote, make a few small concessions and then go about explaining why play X was a good call and why it would have worked. They implicitly assert things like "Joe Kerridge in a ton of space should deviate from expecting Nebraska to use their slot LB as a force and ably block that guy when that LB believes the inverted veer is coming, has no need to respect the slot receiver because he is covered, and runs directly into Fitzgerald Toussaint."

I disagree with that. I have watched a lot of people play a lot of football and I think that's hard. I'm trying not to have a stance here; I am evaluating whether I think a thing is easy to do or hard and assigning a number to that feel. Coaches tend to think everything is an execution issue. Players should be able to do arbitrarily hard things.  Some arrows on a diagram say this should work. Meanwhile I think there's a 10% chance for Kerridge to abort the plan and do anything with hell-for-leather blitzer and judge accordingly. Various guys dying on Borges Hill disagree.

I don't know what might be sufficient other than 175 yards against Nebraska to convince these guys that a poor offensive game plan can even exist, but here are various things that are normally too dull to post in a Picture Pages in which unblocked guys on blitzes obliterate Michigan runners for no or little gain.

These are representative of a larger slice of the game and a general feel that confirmed the Nebraska players' postgame assertions that they were expecting most of what Michigan threw at them. Tomorrow's Picture Pages will cover every play of the game, because this isn't going to work either.

One

Here is an iso. The slot LB is an eighth guy in the box and crashes down unblocked to tackle.

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As this goes for three yards it qualifies as one of Michigan's best plays on the day on the ground. Three yards is not good on first and ten, and there was nothing Michigan could do about it.

Two

Here is a zone play. Nebraska loads up and sends a blitz through a gap that Michigan doesn't pick up as Bosch ends up doubling with Lewan.

However, because of the blitz the only thing Bosch making a very good play to recognize and pick up the charging LB does is send Green to one of the two unblocked guys, either the backside guy ripping down the LOS without thought of checking the QB or a linebacker sitting two yards deep without anyone trying to get him, because Nebraska's blitz has prevented anyone from moving to the second level.

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Three

Here is a power play. Nebraska loads up with eight in the box and one deep safety and blitzes.

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A Nebraska linebacker ends up shooting the gap behind the Bosch pull and meets Green in the backfield.

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Michigan loses two yards and has third and eleven.

Four

Oh for pants' sake.

The offensive line is not in fact overwhelmed here; they are not actually involved because Nebraska's blitz is perfect to destroy the inverted veer.

Items Of Interest

All of this is an execution issue, sure. For a given definition of execution, this is an execution issue. Michigan's hyper-raw OL should be able to block this. They should be able to deal with Nebraska switching gaps and blazing LBs to the point of attack. They should be able to block Nebraska's maniacal run-oriented loaded box. They would do this, if only they could execute.

Except the last one. And the first one. And probably the second and third.

Either you believe that players can be put in positions they can succeed or players are expected to succeed in the positions they are put in. I am in the former camp. The last few Borges defenders are in the latter camp. This entire season Space Coyote has been gamely explaining what should have happened on failed play after failed play without any thought to how difficult what should have happened is.

Players do not exist in a vacuum. Joe Kerridge is trying to block a guy in acres of space and that guy has the jump on him because he knows Funchess is covered, and he knows what Michigan's running. I look at that and I think "Jesus, I do not want to be Joe Kerridge there."

I am admittedly working from a hand-waving feel on this, but it's no worse a feel than whatever Space Coyote has gotten from doing whatever he does with whatever team at a totally different level of competition. I say Michigan puts their players in a spot to work miracles or die, and that this is on both the overall structure of the offense and the predictability of playcalls based on formations and down and distance. Space Coyote makes certain concessions to not seem totally insane and then goes back to hammering the fact that it's all execution.

Kerridge was put in a spot to fail, and did. I'm looking at the play and saying I believe there is a small chance that Kerridge can make a tough play in space; the guys in the comments think that because Kerridge could hypothetically have made a play none of this goes back to the folks in charge.

These plays. The above plays are no-chancers for the offense, because Michigan is running into the teeth of a defense stacked to stop the run and blitzing. In UFR lingo they acquired sizeable rock-paper-scissors minuses. In compensation Michigan got two screens which both got large RPS plus numbers, but the number of downs thrown away in this game running at a Nebraska defense that seemed to be in Michigan's head was alarming. When I add it up, I am guessing things will come out highly negative, and then people will cluck at me about that.

I won't deny that things are more likely to get put in the negative bin there when you have fewer options because you're not good, but in my opinion running plays you suck at into stacked boxes is a bad idea. So is the continued deployment of Toussaint as a pass blocker on plays that take forever to develop. That, too, is an execution issue, but it is nuts to expect him to block guys now, and the offense would be better served if he was used in a pattern or replaced by a fullback or something. Instead… he is not.

But yeah yeah, the expectation is for the position.

Comments

Ron Utah

November 13th, 2013 at 1:13 PM ^

You are assuming that there is a play-call our players could execute well on a consistent basis.

It's funny that you bring up Bo, since Hoke and Borges are saying the same things Bo said.  If our team can't execute simple blocking schemes, what's the magic play they can execute?  

Borges has tried virtually every running play, and then gets criticized for having too many plays.  Early in the season, he got criticized for running too few plays.

What are these magical plays you speak of?

I am not absolving Borges--it's his job to get the offense to execute.  But I am saying that calling different plays won't solve our problems: we can't block.  What football play fixes that?

Hail-Storm

November 14th, 2013 at 10:54 AM ^

on my assumption. I think this is the heart of the disagreement between SC and Brian.  Both agree that there are coaching issues.  Brian believes they can find success under the right playcalling and scheme, while SC believes that there is no scheme that can be ran because the line shows they can't basic block. 

I believe this offense can still be very successful. Despite it being Indiana, this offense can score some points. I believe, if they purely ran out of the spread, and took advantage of more screens to lighten the load on the line, they could find enough offense to win them some more games. 

But, as even Brian admitted, we are all just guessing on why the offense is so inept. 

leu2500

November 13th, 2013 at 1:23 PM ^

Bo's take away was all the new-fangeled stuff didn't work if you couldn't block & tackle - the fundamentals of football.  So Bo stuck with what he was doing - good ol' blocking & tackling. "3 yards and a cloud of dust."  Which is not a popular position on this board. 

Monocle Smile

November 13th, 2013 at 1:36 PM ^

Blocking and tackling are the most important things.

HOWEVER, we're not in an era of football where you can just rely on a solid-tackling defense to hold the opponent to 10 or 17 points a game. Some teams can block well AND implement the more complex stuff to the point where the best-tackling teams can't totally shut them down. The offense must be able to keep up.

Modern power offenses are different from "3 yards and a cloud of dust." I think it's rather crass to imply a get-off-my-lawn dismissal of what you perceive as the majority opinion.

mejunglechop

November 13th, 2013 at 1:33 PM ^

Funny, I think that Bo story supports SC's arguments way more than Brian's. Fancy schematic solutions are interesting intellectually, but at the end of the day fundamentally excellent football teams execute and win.

Ron Utah

November 13th, 2013 at 1:05 PM ^

While I agree that some of AB's calls are head-scratchers, I think there are some enormous assumptions being made here.

First of all, SC is not trying to discredit Brian, but is rather offering a counter-point to the analysis given.  A very intelligent coach (SC) breaking down plays for the board is a very good thing for the board.  To challenge him on the basis of frustration with his cogent analysis does not seem constructive.

Second, your writing style makes it seem as if there is some magical play-call that is easily executed and would solve all of our problems.  As if switching to the spread is the sovereign panacea for our offenses disease.  This ignores the fact that while several of college football's best offenses are spread outfits, several of college footballs WORST offenses are also spread outfits.  The spread does not make you a good offense.  Oregon just lost to Stanford.  Again.

Third, there is no "easy" play to beat a defense.  Kerridge was asked to make, IMO, a pretty easy block in space, and he failed to do so.  If he even redirects that guy, the play could go for big yardage.  What is your "easy" plan to make this offense successful?  Where are the picture pages of the plays that this team can execute?  Borges has tried virtually every type of play fathomable, and isn't getting results.  If we threw a few bubble screens and they didn't work, would you be satisfied?

Fourth, I agree with you on this: several of AB's calls have been poor, and this game was no exception.  But SC's point is that lots of our mistakes are NOT because the task is too difficult, but rather because the task simply isn't done.  In play two (above), for example, if Bosch blocks the LB, this could turn out to be a very good gain.  And Glasgow appears to identify the blitz pre-snap!  Bosch doesn't need to manhandle the guy--just get a hat on him.  That is not any "harder" than any blocking demanded by a spread offense.  Play three is the same problem, except Bosch is pulling.  That said, play four is a disaster, and should have been audibled.

Fifth, sometimes Brian makes mistakes.  SC does too.  In play one, I am pretty confident the slot LB is NOT blitzing.  Watch his first step--it is lateral to the outside to cover the receiver.  He reads the backfield and crashes down to make a tackle.  And as Brian said, this three yard play later set-up some more effective plays.

I think SC's point is that it's pretty ridiculous to assume that a schematic change would solve our problems, or that simply calling a different play would make things "easier" for our players who aren't very good at executing anything.  My main divergence from SC is that I agree with Brian that Borges does throw away downs too often, and doesn't pass enough on first down.

That said, Borges and Hoke have basically said, "Okay, this team is now composed largely of "our" players, and we need to start running our system so that we don't suck it running it forever."  While this has obviously cost us some downs and some games, it is EXACTLY what RR did for THREE YEARS at Michigan.

Bottom line: Borges is making some bad calls and deserves some criticism.  But there is no magic tonic for terrible blocking, no play that doesn't require OL execution, no system that magically erases huge shortcomings.  That said, it is up to the coaches to get the players to execute the system they are running, and they are failing in that endeavor right now.  For that, they should be held responsible, and SC has said that over and over.

MGoLogan

November 13th, 2013 at 1:25 PM ^

Great post!  I know it makes us feel better to say the only thing wrong with the offense is Borges, and he certainly is a huge reason why the offense is so bad, but might it be possible that the players on the offensive side of the ball just aren't that good?  Several comments talk about running plays that the offense is good at, but do those plays really exist?  Is Borges really so stubborn that he refuses to run plays he knows will work becuase they don't fit the "manball" criteria?  

Bronco648

November 13th, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

I would like to know why there isn't some sort of "trigger" that lets the QB know, at the exchange pont, that the running back is going to be stopped (potentially) by that slot LB (in Play One). The QB should throw to the WIDE OPEN slot receiver.

I'd also like to know why this offense doesn't seem to have any type of short throw out, to an RB, in the flat (open space). That's what frustrates me the most.

(granted, I have little to no idea how ths offense works or is supposed to work).

ST3

November 13th, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^

I mentioned in my diary that Fitz has had two catches total in the past two games. They both occurred on Michigan's only TD-drive of the past two games. I agree with you, Borges needs to call more plays where Fitz' ability as a pass catcher can be exploited, and fewer plays where his inability to passblock can be exploited.

thisiscmd

November 13th, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

I think SC's counter analysis adds never before seen depth and variety to this site. Please don't make that go away over your ego Brian. Love the work you do, don't take the process of coming to different conclusions so personally.

dragonchild

November 13th, 2013 at 1:12 PM ^

SC makes this site better, Brian.  You may disagree with him, you may even hate him but damn if these exchanges haven't been enlightening for all of us.  Even if I don't agree with everything he says, I've had a lot of "Hmm, I didn't know that, that's interesting" moments since he came on the scene.

You're on the same side.  You're both Michigan fans.  You both want the same thing.  It's not your finest hour when you get out-classed by one of your own readers.

ama11

November 13th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^

I'll tell you what, for a team that is supposed to a physical power team they dont down block on power very hard. Down blocks are supposed to be fired out and ram them down the line... Our guys just accept the guy firing at them and try to wash them down like a zone scoop.

EnoughAlready

November 13th, 2013 at 1:18 PM ^

has become "Ur puttin' the players in position to fail!!!"  It's the same platitude, the same tripe, but in a different skin.  For three years "certain parties" [cough] have had it in for Borges.  Yes, at this point I agree the offensive coaching staff have failed -- mainly player instruction, but also some bone-headed playcalling.  But let's not pretend that what mainly happens on this blog is objective analysis.  

The players were reruited for MANBALL (ggrrrrr!).  Tough, power football!  If we go to spread concepts now -- well, the players weren't recruited for that!!!

uncleFred

November 13th, 2013 at 1:21 PM ^

I've learned a lot reading Brian's analysis. I've learn a lot reading Space Coyote's analysis. Both provide great value for fans who want to learn more of the fundmentals of football and get insight into the game. Others with coaching or playing backgrounds also provide solid different or supporting or counter evaluations of various plays and strategies. This interaction produces far ranging discussions that make mgoblog a great place for football fans.

A while back there was a 100+ comment thread debating the blocking assignments and possible errors in those for a SINGLE play. We can find other recent examples of this level of iluminating discussion. 

These interactions make it clear to me, that there are many instances, typically when a play is blown up, where it is not possible to resolve with certainty who missed what or what was called. 

No one's analysis "proves" anything, it provides support for the analysts opinion. People accept the opinion based on their view of the supporting analysis and the degree to which it agrees with their own views. We all get to weigh in on whose opinion we think is right, or more likely, or more persuasive, and someone like me, who knows little about the intricacies, develops a more nuanced view of all the aspect of the game. 

When I was growing up we had dinner table discussions. People were free to voice any opinion they cared to rationally and logically defend. Undefended opinions did not last long at my parents table. It is the thoughtful presentation and defense of opinion here that makes this site worth reading. 

Kevin Holtsberry

November 13th, 2013 at 1:29 PM ^

This is really what I would like to see from the X and O folks (not me).  What tyype of plays do you think would work and how can Hoke/Borges keep making progress on the offense they want to run while still winning games.

My gut sense is that Brian and Space are both right to some degree. This is an execution and preparation problem but it is also play calling stubborness that is costing Michigan games this year.  The eyeball test tells you that these runs have no chance of success. They are just running into bodies behind the line.

So with a o-line that can't block and has serious confidence issues, a QB that has been abused for weeks, how can we move the football. Is it West Coast style quick hitting dink and dunk with some constraint plays that offer the opportunity for chunk gains?  Is it some spread elements? A hurry up pass heavy style that gets the defense off rythym?

If this has been posted elsewhere I would love to see it.

Ron Utah

November 13th, 2013 at 1:33 PM ^

I don't have the energy to go back and find all of these posts, but lots of people have posted opinions on this.

The spread can make offense look easy, but it certainly isn't easy.  Ask Miami (OH), the worst scoring offense in college football.

FWIW, I thought AB's gameplan of max protect against MSU was on target.  But if you can't block a blitz, you can't run any offense and expect to be successful.

Against Nebraska, we though we could run; we couldn't, and Borges wasted too many downs trying to, IMO.  But as some point we have to learn to run the multiple scheme Borges and Hoke want, and I think they're clearly saying, "We are going to start learning how to run a pro-style offense right now, no matter what."

I don't like that attitude because it's costing downs and games, but I'd be pretty pissed next year if sucked at the pro style again because we didn't have any experience running it.

corundum

November 13th, 2013 at 1:39 PM ^

Probably a 4 or 5 wide pass spread with quick reads so Gardner can get the ball out before he becomes a heap of paste and dust. Something that TTech runs to success with a walk on true freshman QB. Don't hold your breath though, this probably isn't going to happen. It's probably riskier for the coaches to radically change to this and have success. Think of all the questioning and second guessing they'd be in for as to why this wasn't the teams identity from day one.

Ziff72

November 13th, 2013 at 1:31 PM ^

We have lawyers on here so let's go back to law school or debate team and play "defend the indefensible"

 

On play #3 you have our 2 best offensive players in space in 1 on 1 situations with very little chance of getting help from anybody on Nebraska because the safety is standing in the deep middle.  Seeing that box and that alignment you have 3 acceptable checks.  Slant, 5 yd hitch or fade.   We have the advantage on everyone of those plays.  You could run other plays, but the one play you can't run is tailback up the middle which of course we run.

 

Someone try to make a case that this play is not a complete fail from the coaching staff and Gardner if he is allowed to check( which I know Borges and Hoke say is possible but as fans the last 3 years we know from seeing with our eyes almost never happens and Borges has said he is against it like bubble screens and easy yards so yeah he probably can't because Borges doesn't like chess being played without him.)

CarrIsMyHomeboy

November 13th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^

Setting: I agree with you Brian. Aside from issue #2 below I agree with all of your content, but

(1) It's not really cool to have this argument with SpaceCoyote from two separate speakers of very different capacity. Especially if you're going to go all pejorative. It would have been far more appropriate to either (1a) post a long-winded response within the thread corresponding to SpaceCoyote's diary or (1b) post a counter diary of your own. Front paging your side is kind of bush league.

(2) I've always felt you were wrong about "The expectation is for the position." You seem to interpret that as implying the coaches who espouse this slogan have at the heart of their coaching philosophy one rigid system and intend to bend the players to fit that mold rather than bend the mold to fit the players. I believe that is wrong in ways that are sensational. I believe the more straight-forward and less inflammatory interpretation for "The expectation is for the position" is that players are expected to rise to the occasion for their starting position no matter their inexperience because this is Michigan. (...) Which is why I find it so auto-stultifying that you could also use your fingers to type:

Either you believe that players can be put in positions they can succeed or players are expected to succeed in the positions they are put in.

and then identify with the former camp of believers.

 

imafreak1

November 13th, 2013 at 1:36 PM ^

I think we can all agree that no unit on the offense blocks worth a damn.

At this point, the blame for such a comprehensive failure must be placed on the coaches.

If you can't block people and you can't execute then you suck and the coaches have done a shitty job.

I don't see much point to stressing the criticisms of the game plan so much because if you can't block or execute then you suck with any game plan. These plays could have worked. Some other plays could have worked. But they didn't and they don't because no one can block or execute worth a damn.

antonio_sass

November 13th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^

Brian, 

This is a shitty, dissapointing post by you. By calling out SC publicly on the front page, you are discouraging thoughtful debate and quite frankly, you sound butthurt.

95% of people here agree with you and would follow you into the mists of avalon to battle that "fat, idiot" Borges. Why are you so upset about someone with an alternative viewpoint? He even agrees that there are coaching issues -- just not primarily schematic. I don't think that's inherently asinine.

I find shit like this to be shitty: 

"Space Coyote makes certain concessions to not seem totally insane and then goes back to hammering the fact that it's all execution."

It's your site and all, but, get a grip.  

antonio_sass

November 13th, 2013 at 2:01 PM ^

The tone of Brian's response reads entirely different than Space Coyote's counter argument, to me. I know that's partially his sassy writing style, but it makes a pretty big difference in the feel of the conversation. 

As an previous poster stated, I think it would have been much more appropriate to respond to him within SC's post, or create his own diary — rather than front-paging a post which talks about how frustrated he is that a [very small] subset of people disagree with his analysis. 

CooperLily21

November 13th, 2013 at 2:06 PM ^

For what its worth, my only issue with this post was Brian's tone and personal call-out of SC.  His use of "handful" of dissenters and questioning SC's creditials took away from the very entertaining and very educational point-counterpoint.  That was really my only issue.  Other than that, I agree with both gentlemen.  The players are unable to perform for some reason and Borges needs to go.

soup-er-UM

November 13th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^

I don't think SC's or anyone else's disagreements mean that they don't appreciate the vast knowledge you, Brian, have about Michigan football from watching and studying it.  So why take the comments so personally? SC's posts add quite a bit of value to this site, and the debate is not as black and white as "I'm on this side of the fence you're on that side." It's helpful to have opposing points of view for me, at least. 

And where does it get us if everyone agrees anyway?  We all clamor more for Borges to be fired?  Clearly part of the problem is execution and part of the problem is they're doing something difficult.  When an offense performs like M has the past few games no one is really "dying on Borges Hill," even SC.  The debate is really about where the coaches failed - in playcalls or preparing the players to execute hard assignments ahead of time. 

dex

November 13th, 2013 at 1:54 PM ^

after years of dismissing anyone who has any real experience playing football or coaching football by comparing them to joe morgan and making meathead cracks, implying that people who play the sport that provides your living are idiots, you are now using - as a trump card of sorts - that you have "watched a lot of football", presumably in stands and on television, and that makes you the undisputed expert? 

you were a lot more humble in the early days. 

 

 

corundum

November 13th, 2013 at 2:04 PM ^

I see where you are coming from, but come on. He does a UFR for both sides of the ball every week. Not only does he watch every game live, but he then watches every individual play multiple times, in slow motion, and then analyzes each one to grade out. Even if you have never played the game, eventually you are going to watch enough football to understand intricate details.

dex

November 13th, 2013 at 2:14 PM ^

i would hope that one would pick up some details

 

i would also hope one would remain humble enough to admit that perhaps, sometimes, there are some details that are quite hard to grasp if you haven't ever attempted, ever, to do the things that you are watching

 

and more importantly, it's not cool to act like people who actually coach/play are stupid stupid meatheads, and make fun of them for using their credentials in an argument, and then turn around and use "years watching football on tv" as support for your own argument. it's the same exact tactic, just from a different angle.

imafreak1

November 13th, 2013 at 2:43 PM ^

Look.

Cook can plead a lack of social nuance or understanding but that doesn't make this kind of statement any less insulting;

I am admittedly working from a hand-waving feel on this, but it's no worse a feel than whatever Space Coyote has gotten from doing whatever he does with whatever team at a totally different level of competition.

On many levels, that is insulting both in content and in phrasing.

WHATEVER Space Coyote does or is, Brian Cook knows better. Because he watches TV.

lbpeley

November 13th, 2013 at 2:45 PM ^

You're pissed because your "blog" didn't make it and Brian's did. He let you guys hang around awhile and even let you have the keys one weekend. You pissed everyone off and you laid a big ass egg in your one shot at the big time. Not Brian's fault.

It doesn't take someone who's "been there" to see there's something way more wrong with this team than execution and youth.

I didn't get even the slightest hint of an attacking or "calling out" tone in this post. SC's been countering every point Brian's made and - while polite - he's made it very well known that he coaches football. If people are gonna bitch that this is Brian's blog so some dim bulbs will just follow what he says, the same argument can be made for SC. As many have pointed out in this thread, they're both right. 

TwoFiveAD

November 13th, 2013 at 1:56 PM ^

There's a reason why Chris Perry said "I HAVE NEVER READ MGOBLOG"

 

Brian is good at math and forming complete sentences.  He is not good at anything football related, which includes drawing any type of conclusion about a play other than it worked or didn't work.