Picture Pages: Various Plays Of No Interest Comment Count

Brian

Every time I post a play analysis these days there are a half-dozen people in the comments who mention that if player X did hard thing Y they are not prepared to do then the play would work. This has gotten to the point where I can explicitly prepare for such criticism and find them ignored, as in the most recent one, and find a diary on this site asserting that if player X did hard thing Y something would have worked.

This is extremely frustrating to me, because these are good-faith attempts to paint broader pictures of what I'm seeing down to down, game after game, year after year, as I try to figure out what Michigan football is doing. Various critics, most prominently Space Coyote, make a few small concessions and then go about explaining why play X was a good call and why it would have worked. They implicitly assert things like "Joe Kerridge in a ton of space should deviate from expecting Nebraska to use their slot LB as a force and ably block that guy when that LB believes the inverted veer is coming, has no need to respect the slot receiver because he is covered, and runs directly into Fitzgerald Toussaint."

I disagree with that. I have watched a lot of people play a lot of football and I think that's hard. I'm trying not to have a stance here; I am evaluating whether I think a thing is easy to do or hard and assigning a number to that feel. Coaches tend to think everything is an execution issue. Players should be able to do arbitrarily hard things.  Some arrows on a diagram say this should work. Meanwhile I think there's a 10% chance for Kerridge to abort the plan and do anything with hell-for-leather blitzer and judge accordingly. Various guys dying on Borges Hill disagree.

I don't know what might be sufficient other than 175 yards against Nebraska to convince these guys that a poor offensive game plan can even exist, but here are various things that are normally too dull to post in a Picture Pages in which unblocked guys on blitzes obliterate Michigan runners for no or little gain.

These are representative of a larger slice of the game and a general feel that confirmed the Nebraska players' postgame assertions that they were expecting most of what Michigan threw at them. Tomorrow's Picture Pages will cover every play of the game, because this isn't going to work either.

One

Here is an iso. The slot LB is an eighth guy in the box and crashes down unblocked to tackle.

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As this goes for three yards it qualifies as one of Michigan's best plays on the day on the ground. Three yards is not good on first and ten, and there was nothing Michigan could do about it.

Two

Here is a zone play. Nebraska loads up and sends a blitz through a gap that Michigan doesn't pick up as Bosch ends up doubling with Lewan.

However, because of the blitz the only thing Bosch making a very good play to recognize and pick up the charging LB does is send Green to one of the two unblocked guys, either the backside guy ripping down the LOS without thought of checking the QB or a linebacker sitting two yards deep without anyone trying to get him, because Nebraska's blitz has prevented anyone from moving to the second level.

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Three

Here is a power play. Nebraska loads up with eight in the box and one deep safety and blitzes.

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A Nebraska linebacker ends up shooting the gap behind the Bosch pull and meets Green in the backfield.

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Michigan loses two yards and has third and eleven.

Four

Oh for pants' sake.

The offensive line is not in fact overwhelmed here; they are not actually involved because Nebraska's blitz is perfect to destroy the inverted veer.

Items Of Interest

All of this is an execution issue, sure. For a given definition of execution, this is an execution issue. Michigan's hyper-raw OL should be able to block this. They should be able to deal with Nebraska switching gaps and blazing LBs to the point of attack. They should be able to block Nebraska's maniacal run-oriented loaded box. They would do this, if only they could execute.

Except the last one. And the first one. And probably the second and third.

Either you believe that players can be put in positions they can succeed or players are expected to succeed in the positions they are put in. I am in the former camp. The last few Borges defenders are in the latter camp. This entire season Space Coyote has been gamely explaining what should have happened on failed play after failed play without any thought to how difficult what should have happened is.

Players do not exist in a vacuum. Joe Kerridge is trying to block a guy in acres of space and that guy has the jump on him because he knows Funchess is covered, and he knows what Michigan's running. I look at that and I think "Jesus, I do not want to be Joe Kerridge there."

I am admittedly working from a hand-waving feel on this, but it's no worse a feel than whatever Space Coyote has gotten from doing whatever he does with whatever team at a totally different level of competition. I say Michigan puts their players in a spot to work miracles or die, and that this is on both the overall structure of the offense and the predictability of playcalls based on formations and down and distance. Space Coyote makes certain concessions to not seem totally insane and then goes back to hammering the fact that it's all execution.

Kerridge was put in a spot to fail, and did. I'm looking at the play and saying I believe there is a small chance that Kerridge can make a tough play in space; the guys in the comments think that because Kerridge could hypothetically have made a play none of this goes back to the folks in charge.

These plays. The above plays are no-chancers for the offense, because Michigan is running into the teeth of a defense stacked to stop the run and blitzing. In UFR lingo they acquired sizeable rock-paper-scissors minuses. In compensation Michigan got two screens which both got large RPS plus numbers, but the number of downs thrown away in this game running at a Nebraska defense that seemed to be in Michigan's head was alarming. When I add it up, I am guessing things will come out highly negative, and then people will cluck at me about that.

I won't deny that things are more likely to get put in the negative bin there when you have fewer options because you're not good, but in my opinion running plays you suck at into stacked boxes is a bad idea. So is the continued deployment of Toussaint as a pass blocker on plays that take forever to develop. That, too, is an execution issue, but it is nuts to expect him to block guys now, and the offense would be better served if he was used in a pattern or replaced by a fullback or something. Instead… he is not.

But yeah yeah, the expectation is for the position.

Comments

TIMMMAAY

November 13th, 2013 at 5:31 PM ^

I guess it just comes off as being slightly petulant to me. I think he should be above that sort of thing when it concerns a long time contributor here. Especially when SC is keeping all of his stuff very civil like. 

SirJack II

November 13th, 2013 at 10:26 PM ^

True, he's being civil, but he's openly challenging (repeatedly and at exhaustive nit-picky length) Brian's take on things. SC's civility doesn't change the fact that he's saying (with a certain level of aggression) that Brian's ultimately wrong.

You have to defend yourself against such a thing, and Brian's doing so.

MGoManBall

November 13th, 2013 at 12:16 PM ^

Michigan is trying to block 8 guys with 7 blockers. Nebraska's defense isn't doing anything crazy. The unblocked man is simply making the tackle. 

The first play is actually blocked really well... except for the fact that they couldn't account for the backer that makes the tackle. 

This is a schematic issue.

EDIT: And the guy who makes the tackle isn't even looking at Funchess. This is one of those times where play action would probably

polometer

November 13th, 2013 at 12:20 PM ^

to me like it was a "read" issue.  Everyone in the box is accounted for.  The slot LB is tight to the line pre-snap and may leave his assignment and rush back field.  It looked to me that if someone--maybe fitz, Garnder, Lewan, etc.--reads that LB and Fitz bounces outside he should get lots of yards.

 

I don't know whose responsibility to read these things are and I don't know how hard it is to read these things.  However, as far as x's and o's are concerned I don't think that it was a badly ran play.  However, if the offense is just lining up and snapping the ball without reacting to the defense that seems like an issue.

 

I don't know if it is difficulty, badly coached execution, or just a mistake--but when I watched that play I thought it should have gone for more yards with just one change.

TennBlue

November 13th, 2013 at 12:46 PM ^

The offense does not seem to be trained to read the defense.  They just line up their play and run it, regardless of the defensive alignment.  No comprehension of how to deal with odd alignment, blitzers, or anything else that isn't plain vanilla.

 

Again, this goes back to coaching.  The players are reacting badly because they haven't been taught, or repped, in how to react correctly.

I Like Burgers

November 13th, 2013 at 1:19 PM ^

I think that's the point that Brian is making.  Its not so much an execute issue as it is an issue of the coaching telling the players to run off a cliff, when maybe they should think about using a ladder instead.

You can preach execute all you want, but its also incubent on the coaches to execute a play call that their players are capable of executing.  To repeatedly not do that screams all sorts of incompetence.

reshp1

November 13th, 2013 at 1:26 PM ^

Yes, this. A lot of the "look at the defense's alignment!!! why you call that play Borges!!!" situations are situations where there should be a check at the line. Borges doesn't see the alignment when he makes the call. Now, part of his job is to predict that sure, but it's still a guessing game. That's not to absolve him. As you say, lack of understanding by DG or the OL to make the check does go back to coaching, but it's preparation, not play calling.

bronxblue

November 13th, 2013 at 1:44 PM ^

See, I think preparation and playcalling are synonymous in those instances.  This team virtually never audibles despite having the time and personnel.  I have to think part of the reason is that the offense is restricted such that those changes are not possible after a playcall; Borges calls in the play and outside of maybe a couple of minor changes that's about it before the snap.  

Personally, I think Al Borges is a competent OC but what's the upside with him?  His offenses were always fine but, givent the relative talent, weren't dominating.  Considering how much he is getting paid and how recruiting is going, I want an OC who can take this team to another level offensively, not tread water at 28 ppg or something and win a couple of games a year when the opposition figures you out or has similar talent.

umchicago

November 13th, 2013 at 1:52 PM ^

coaching/playcalling/execution/checkoffs are all intertwined and should be judged on the outcome.  and that outcome is complete failure.  and it boils down to the top of that chain - coaching.  but let's go ahead and just blame it on youth, even though there is no evidence of this getting better over time.

petered0518

November 13th, 2013 at 12:25 PM ^

In fairness to Brian, Space Coyote jumps into every single analysis thread Brian puts together and then refutes the main conclusions of said analysis.  While he is very polite in what he says and I do believe he is a nice guy, it can come across like he is determinely trying to refute Brian at every opportunity.  If you read SC's blog there is a strong sentiment of "Brian did some elementary work to get us started, but here is a more complete analysis...".

Still, the direct call outs probably weren't warranted.  If it makes you feel better Brian I completely agree with your conclusions, but my opinion means less than both yours and SC's because I only watch the game once and then bitch about it afterwards.

I Like Burgers

November 13th, 2013 at 1:22 PM ^

I for one, agree with what you wrote and think its fine.  If someone is going to question your work and some very obvious observations, and continually reply with a faulty "they just need to execute" response, you have every right to do something like this.

Maybe SC just needs to execute his logic and reasoning better.

mejunglechop

November 13th, 2013 at 2:43 PM ^

Look, even if you had Bill Parcells' pedigree, which you don't, people would still find good reasons to disagree with you. These are philosophical disagreements and they willl always happen. There's no need to take it personally. If you feel that SC is on a campaign to undermine your credibility you're confusing disagreement for disloyalty.

Everyone Murders

November 13th, 2013 at 12:26 PM ^

Brian posits

Either you believe that players can be put in positions they can succeed or players are expected to succeed in the positions they are put in.

First, I agree with Brian's general notion that you put players into positions at which they can succeed.  But it seems possible that there's no position/scheme at which these players (on the O-Line) can succeed.  Yet.  If that's right, then Borges is left with a couple of problems.  First, under what scheme can the O-Line most nearly approximate success?  Second, does pursuing that scheme retard the O-Line's mid-to-long term development?

My sense (and I am not pretending to know as much about this stuff as Space Coyote or Brian) is that regardless of scheme, the O-Line is going to struggle due to youth.  What I'd like to see is Borges coming up with ways to minimize the bleeding while the line matures.  What I am seeing is a slavish dedication to "man ball" at the cost of ... oh, what's the word ... success.

 

 

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 13th, 2013 at 12:37 PM ^

You touch on a very important point.  The parallel I would draw is in 2008 where I don't think it's unfair to say to no matter what offense RR threw out there, it wasn't going to succed well with Threet/Sheriden.  Wasn't there like 20 combined starts on the entire O, with 13 of those to Schilling alone.

However, I don't think that is the case with this O.  This O has the parts to be succesfull if put in the right position.  Now, it won't be world beaters because of youth, but still, Gardner, Lewan, Schofield, Gallon, Fitz, Funchess are a talented kernel to work with that even RR didn't have in 2008.  Not to mention that unlike 2012, there are actual real bodies on the OL that the coaches can mold to find something/someone that works.  I think, as SC has pointed out, that Hoke/Borges seem to be in the camp of repping what they want to do, even if it doesn't work now, as an investment into better results down the road.  Whether that is correct or not, is something that will be determined down the road.

543Church

November 13th, 2013 at 12:48 PM ^

This offense seems WORSE than 2008, at least by the smell test.  Maybe I have repressed much of that season but I don't recall them being this bad even with Threet/Sheridan.  If I recall they actually were getting better with Threet as the season went on until he got hurt.   That offense was really lacking in skill and experience at just about every position, this one has skill but not much experience in just the O-line.  So this seems like a bigger debacle.

Anybody have some game by game comparisons through each of the seasons they'd want to post?    Who is worse stastically?

Erik_in_Dayton

November 13th, 2013 at 1:10 PM ^

This year's team has an offensive FEI of .07.  They are throwing for 250 yd/gm and rushing for 135.3 (still!). 

The 2008 team had an offensive FEI of -.167.  They thew for 143.2 yd/gm (yikes) and rushed for a gaudy 147.6. 

Off the top of my head, I don't believe the 2008 team had anything close to the peak of the Indiana game or anything quite like the valley of the MSU game.  And of course this season isn't over. 

543Church

November 13th, 2013 at 1:32 PM ^

2008 had some crater games for rushing like Utah and Illinois but nothing like what we've seen the last two weeks.  Keep in mind 2008 did not have the "f*** it I'm running QB option" either, which Devin provided in the first half of this season to add to the rushing numbers.

reshp1

November 13th, 2013 at 1:33 PM ^

I think, as SC has pointed out, that Hoke/Borges seem to be in the camp of repping what they want to do, even if it doesn't work now, as an investment into better results down the road.

 

Personally, I wish that's what they would do but at least the last few weeks have been spent trying new things and burning practice time, as Brian puts it.

I Like Burgers

November 13th, 2013 at 1:48 PM ^

I'm with ya.  What the coaches have been saying and what they are doing are two different things.  If this team would have just stuck to one core set of plays and concepts and practiced that and repped that, then maybe they would just be bad instead of historically bad.  But all of the wasted practice time tinkering with tackle over and things like that have killed any chance of having some sort of core offense or identity.

If you want to be manball, then be manball.  Instead they are some mishmash offense that isn't good at anything.

I Like Burgers

November 13th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^

I don't think there's any offense this team and OL is capable of executing properly at this point of the season.  Had they stuck with one core set of philosophies and plays and worked on that all season, they could have been capable.  But they wasted SO much practice time with being a grab bag offense and installing gimmick concepts like tackle over that the offense is now a jack of no trades, master of ineptitude.  And there's just not enough practice time to go back to square one.  

And given that the last two weeks have shown the remaining three teams on the schedule exactly what they need to do to stop this offense, I don't think there's enough practice time for this team to go back to square one and nail down some core concepts and plays.  They're going to be hard pressed to crack 200 yds of offense a game the rest of the season.

bronxblue

November 13th, 2013 at 1:48 PM ^

See, I have to imagine that there is an offensive scheme that is better and more conducive to the talent out there, because teams with far less talent have done better for years in CFB.  And if this offensive staff only has a scheme that works with a certain talent level, then they can't stick around because, even with great recruiting, you are going to have years that are down a bit.  Hell, look at most of the SEC this year; LSU is one of the more talented teams the past decade and this year's team is down in talent because of graduation.  They still have a pretty good team.  If you need only seniors or mult-year starters to be good, then you can't coach in college with its massive turnover.  That may help to explain why Borges's history is marked with major swings; he looks great with Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, and Cadillac Williams but not so much with middling prospects.

umchicago

November 13th, 2013 at 2:01 PM ^

that one good drive in the 3Q was some evidence of mixing things up.  at least 2 passes were thrown to butt up the seem on that drive; among other quick routes.  and they worked.  we were finally given something to chear about and hope.  but then, borges went back to "running into the brick wall".  i'm not sure butt was targeted the rest of the game.  NE continued to pin their ears back and bring the blitz and we failed to get anything going again...until the final drive when we started throwing those quick passes again but the dileo drop ended the game.

1464

November 13th, 2013 at 12:27 PM ^

This did not seem defensive at all. 

Honestly, I'm somewhere between Brian And Space(?).  I still pin a lot of blame on Borges and Funk, but I place the blame on them for not developing their plays and players during the week, instead of pointing to the performance on Saturdays.  You can't blame the pieces when you are the one fabricating those pieces.

5starrecruit

November 13th, 2013 at 12:27 PM ^

Am I the only one who thaught Green looked good ? He seemed to be running hard and powerfull as he was able to fall forward for extra yards.

JilesDauz

November 13th, 2013 at 12:39 PM ^

Green was excellent. He essentially turned the 1v1 situation into a 3 yard gain in no space. ALSO he totally bodies the unblocked guy in the play for a 2 yard loss.  Green is manball.

He has a knack for hitting the hole hard and getting whatever he can out of it.

Given that Fitz has an inablity to gain yards when there is no space (this O-Line gives no space) and that his blocking ability is 0 (+-lol) there's no reason (in terms of performance) Green shouldn't be starting.

 

There maybe other like discipline type issues that limit his carries but Green runs hard.

evenyoubrutus

November 13th, 2013 at 12:46 PM ^

No you're not.  On his only long run I thought he made a very good cut (for a guy his size) and then drove through someone else to get 7-8 yards (hope I'm remembering the play correctly).  I also noticed him falling forward on tackles a lot a la Le'Veon Bell.  I think if they can work him into the offense in a way that they don't expect a power I run every time he's in the game he is going to do some nice things for the next few years.

I Like Burgers

November 13th, 2013 at 1:30 PM ^

At this point of the season, I'd just make himGreen the starter and bench Fitz.  Neither can pick up a blitz so that's not an excuse and Green has seemed better at turning -1 yard into 1 yard.  Fitz is gone after the year, so just go with Green and try and get him more reps for next season.

itauditbill

November 13th, 2013 at 12:28 PM ^

Just as Brian says, yes the play call may be perfect if you assume your players can execute. However that is a incredible assumption. Assuming that Fitz can pass block like Vincent Smith is basically insane. He can't.. and at this point in his career I don't see that as a strenght that is going to be developed.

The problem is that if you could use computer to mask the uniforms of the defense I'm guessing each of these plays are going to be repeated over the coming weeks. Sure no defense is as good as MSU's (right... who have they yet faced... they may be good, but really with their competition who knows), but Nebraska's was gawd-awful against the run and Michigan moved them up in the rankings. Each and every defense is going to prepare using the template provided by MSU and Nebraska. If the offense doesn't adjust, it's going to continue to look the same.

Why does Borges not do these other things? Two answers come up to my mind, He's super stubborn, or he's deathly afraid of even worse things happening. I'm hopeful it's the former, rather than the latter. If it's the latter, wee... next year should be super fun!

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 13th, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

Once again, it sometimes amazing me how several very smart people can differ so much on a subject.

It seems to me that Borges is consistantly asking players to do things that are difficult, and things they have shown they cannot do throughout the season.  The question from there is, what is the solution?  Will the constant repetitions from failing result in the players being able to consistantly execute in the years to come?  Or will the constant turnover from young kids in a college program make these issues of players not executing to the coaches standards in the positions the coaches put them in, constanly rear it's ugly head year after year. 

Man, I wish I had the answers to that.  But geez, throwing it a fast dude on the bubble screen and asking one receiver to block a DB seems like a better and better option these days.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 13th, 2013 at 1:04 PM ^

This is my exact worry as well. My thoughts are that Borges has not displayed the 1) identification of who/what works in practice and/or 2) flexibility of thinking to reasonably accommodate the offenses weaknesses and/or 3) asking players to do more than reasonably expected for a college player. I fear UM may have an Auburn 2004 type offense once very 5-6 years and otherwise be bogged down in mediocrity and limping to 9 win seasons the other years. Obviously I'm hoping for a Wisco or Bama like offensive factory that, combines with displayed great defensive coaching, will result in a championship caliber team each year.

bronxblue

November 13th, 2013 at 1:52 PM ^

Yeah, check out his coaching history and it is pretty obvious that is what happens to him.  It was my major issue when they hired him; he never stuck around anywhere for more than a couple of years, and the one place where it looked like he would be successful he was dumped before the bowl game.  He's really smart when he has all the cards in his hands; when he has to really gamble he seems far less solid.

GhostOfPosBang

November 13th, 2013 at 12:31 PM ^

but I think that while one of Space Coyote's main conclusions was that it was an execution issue - if Kerridge has gotten his block, the play works - another of his main conclusions was that his failure to get the block fell on the coaches.  They didn't train the players well enough to execute.

So there's a disconnect in what Borges is calling and what the coaches are preparing them to be able to do.  Brian, you're arguing that that makes it Borges' fault; Space Coyote seems to argue that that makes it the other coaches' fault.  In a weird way, you might be arguing the same thing.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 13th, 2013 at 12:43 PM ^

Our basic question is whether the offensive staff is doing a good job.  This may be the understatement of the year, but I believe we can put Brian down for thinking they're doing a bad job at developing players and a bad job of calling plays.  I also believe we can put SC down for thinking they're doing a bad job of developing players and even put him down for thinking they're doing a less than ideal job of calling plays.  I don't want to minimize their differences, b/c one would fire Borges and one probably would not, but they none-the-less share some views on important issues.

CooperLily21

November 13th, 2013 at 12:48 PM ^

The failure to properly develop players (especially if SC believes Kerrigan's block is executable) is the reason why Borges need to be fired.  Their first and foremost job, IMO, is the teach those young men about football and about life.  All coaches on the offensive side of the ball appear to be failing at the former of the two.  Maybe the receivers coach is doing his job?  The rest are not and that all falls on Borges.  He's failing to manage his subordinates.

coastal blue

November 13th, 2013 at 1:08 PM ^

Right. And to reply to your post in SC's diary, he is advocating for keeping Borges based on the fact that he can find logic in his playcalling. Which is why he deserves criticism, because he seems to think that is all there is to being an offensive coordinator. 

BiSB

November 13th, 2013 at 1:25 PM ^

He's failing to recognize and adjust to the physical/technique/skill deficiencies of his team. Sometimes you're going to have a guy who isn't an ambi-turner, and while you obviously want to coach him up going forward, in the meantime stop asking him to turn left.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 13th, 2013 at 1:42 PM ^

What would you have him do instead of what he's doing?  I'd run more screens and also often go four or five wide w/ DG and ride or die* with his talents and deficiencies, but I'm no coach, and my plan has obvious drawbacks. 

 

*I am crunk.