John McCain picks Palin, governor of Alaska as his VP? What?
Why do I feel this is locking McCain in as the winner already?
she has more experience ker right thumb than obama has in his whole life. could SOMEONE somewhere tell me what he has done? I really want to know! Hope and change are great, but I believe that Castro ran on that also...
being a LEADER of a state is more than being a senator for 141 days, and not showing up to his own committee meetings. THAT IS WHY IN YEARS PAST YOU DID NOT HAVE A CONGRESSMAN/SENATOR win the WH. They are not leaders yet they are followers and that is on both sides of the aisle.
is a senator.
whats Osama going to change? Its not change we need, what we ned is a solution to some problems that arn't as big a deal as the "libral" media makes out to be.
McCain and Palin will win and life will go on. Hopefully.
lol hey guys did you see what wingedG did there?! He like, changed Obama's name to Osama! lolz get it?! Like Bin Laden?!
I mean, the least you can do is be creative w/ politician hate names like Jay...I think we deserve that much.
McCain spends two months hammering Obama for being an inexperienced celebrity and then runs out and picks a former beauty queen with two years of experience as governor of the most backwoods and sparsely populated state in the Union. Oh, but before that she served on some city counsels and stuff. The VP debate with Biden is going to make Ghoulston-Schilling look like a pleasant give-and-take.
I mean, she'll appeal to some women, sure. But people don't vote for president based on who the VP is. If so, Walter Mondale would have won.
All of that said, this is a nice pick and will give McCain some positive press, but things are FAAAR from locked up.
(Also, what's with all the politics in here lately? I thought that was somewhat verboten?)
Well, unlike McCain, she's actually conservative, so that will definitely help him. Conservatives should be very happy with this pick. I don't know if it will "lock" his chances at victory b/c he still has many flaws, but it's a step. Since the media & opponents haven't been able to demonize her yet like they already have McCain, Obama, Biden, et al, she seems like a really good fit for voters on the right.
helloheisman - Why is this insulting to women? I understand your claim about him not being able to use Obama's inexperience as much, however, the presidency and the vice presidency are different in terms of how much experience they seemingly should have (at least public perception wise, which is all that matters at this point).
Yeah see I don't know how "random" Palin is though when you look at her overall image. She's a fresh face, can make the religious right happy in a way that McCain never could, isn't tied to the W admin, has a background of anti-corruption and watchdogging as others have noted, which can go a long way in cleaning up the Republican image that is tarnished to a good portion of moderate voters. Basically, I don't know how much of her selection is based off of her vagina having ways, if at all b/c in the long run that excitement over a female VP will die down...you'd have to hope that McCain realized that before he selected her.
helloheisman you hit the nail on the head.
damn straight i'm insulted! It is demeaning and wrong to think that the only reason women were interested in Hilary is because of her ovaries so having any ovarian candidate on any ticket will therefore bring those voters over.
McCain has just proven that he is a rash, crazy ol' candidate who just doesn't get it.
And she's a creationist! Awesome!
I'm sure she'll do GREAT.
kinda cool that now we'll either have the first black president or first female vice president...or ron paul pulls the upset (which would also be a first)
I think McCain has his reasons, and she does have good qualities that conservatives are looking for, but I think this VP choice was just as flawed as Obama and Biden.
1. Undercutting themes of the campaign: McCain can't attack Obama's inexperience if Palin has even less experience than Obama. Obama can't harp too much on changing Washington culture if Biden has been a 35 year insider.
2. Picking VPs from small states with tiny electoral votes that weren't going to vote for the opposite party. There were a ton of VP possibilities from large battleground states, all of which have more than the minimum of 3 electoral votes of both Delaware and Alaska
3. It seems like the Palin pick was pandering towards women/younger voters. After all, there were plenty of conservatives to choose from, but McCain lags far behind in women.
Yeah, she'll make conservaties happy, but so would Tom Ridge or Mitt Romney, who have lots more experience and could possibly make the difference in a larger, battleground state. All in all though, Palin addresses some of McCain's weaknesses, just like Biden addresses some of Obama's weaknesses, like a good VP candidate should.
Actually if Ridge would have made conservatives happy, he'd have probably been the pick. Ridge is pro-choice on abortion, which makes him anathema to religious conservatives. Romney too was not that palatable to the right wing, which was uncertain about his pro-life credentials and a little uneasy with his Mormon faith.
woooooooooooo, i'm a hockey mom! and my husband's a fisherman and plays in the snow! and i was on a couple commissions in alaska and have been governor for a tiny bit! and now i get to be the VP nominee!!! woooooooooooooo!
about as presidential as my mom.
Yeah - but your mom's not as hot. :-P
BO: Woooooooo! CHANGE! Yeah! CHANGE! Yeah, thanks, I know! Change to you too, buddy! Anyone have some spare CHANGE? Yes! Haha, I know! Change! We're going to exit wars everywhere, lift all taxes, and live in peace with everyone for eternity! YEAH! CHANGE!
Rare Conservative Reporter: Um, Mr. Obama. How?
Legions of Liberal Reporters: YES! He's brilliant!
About as presidential as my kooky English professor who thought that the Iraq War was a conservative ploy to control the world and the 9/11 attacks were planned by Bush himself. Speaking of which, the Democrats greatest argument against McCain is the Iraq War. If they're so against it, why doesn't Congress cut funding? Since the majority is Democratic, they could cut funding for the war today, if they wanted. No one seems to think of that when they blame Bush for "hundreds of thousands of dead" and a "ruinous war". Worst part is, the public supports these hypocrites, waving flags and screaming "CHANGE!".
When your entire campaign is based on a single word with no meaning or substance to it, one would think you'd get trounced.
I thought Michigan fans were so much smarter than everyone else. To see such a stupid and thoughtless argument is disappointing. Talk about lacking substance....
than a campaign based on lies and murder.
he just needed someone young to run with to get the average age of his campain under 85
Palin's main strength is her ability to attract disenfranchised Hillary
supporters. And her anti corruption record. Two, her two major
strengths are here ability to attract disenfranchised Hillary
supporters and her anti corruption record. And she secures Alaska.
Three, her three major strengths are here ability to attract
disenfranchised Hillary supporters, her anti corruption record, and
that she secures Alaska. Also, she brings youth to the Republican
ticket. I'll start over.
Women who really care about feminist issues would not vote Republican just b/c of her. I really don't see her being a women having any legitimate effect over anyone who supported Hillary.
I don't actually know anough about her to come up with three, which was the necessary amount to make the Spanish Inquisition reference. And it would have been a tragedy if someone named Palin got such an honor and no Spanish Inquisition or Parrot Sketch references were made.
I could see some women being turned off by this, but realistically, I suspect that the women who would be genuinely offended would mostly be hardcore feminist types, who almost certainly weren't voting for him in any event. On the whole, it's probably a small net positive for him. The bigger issue, I think, is not so much her gender as the fact that she's more conservative than he is and thus is an olive branch to the right wing of the GOP.
I think that he found someone who is willing to challenge the status quo like himself, and I think that it showed tremendous courage. When I look at the other potential choices, I do not know that there were any who were demonstrably better for him (Lieberman would never have been acceptable to the conservative base, he and Romney attacked each other way too much in the primary season, picking Tom Ridge would have made it hard to separate him from W, Polenty would have brought many of the same concerns with regard to experience that she would, and it would have been a huge political error to go for Jindahl with Gustav on the way). I do not think that it is a good thing for the GOP that there were so few reasonable choices. I don't know much about her, but it sounds like she is a pretty good person, and I think that she helps McCain to secure his conservative base. Her pro choice stance will make a lot of Hillary supporters stay with Obama, and I think her selection was much bolder than the Sen. Obama's selection (she certainly brings less baggage than Sen. Biden). At the end of the day, I think that this election will be about Senators Obama and McCain, and I think that Obama will win.
What's a GOP? Is that a linebacker? How long until kickoff?
Did my favorite site just become Daily Kos or Red State.
Cripes......if i am unable to avoid the political debate at my mgoblog refuge, then its going to be a long fall.
Although, I will say at least this thread has been conducted with decency unlike most of political forums you can find.
my chest: fuck anyone with ties to the bush administration.
With that being said, this is a brilliant move by mccain. The presidential election will not be decided by partisans. He needed to grab middle ground voters, and after the crap hillary did at the convention you can imagine a lot of P'O'd women joining the mccain camp. (for some god awful reason). Leave it to the GOP to find the one black person in the room and pretend he represents the party. I'm sure this 'woman' is a religious nut who doesn't really support woman's rights. She also highlights the issue of oil drilling.
The only way this could backfire on him is if she's not 'conservative enough' for the religious nut base, which mccain has had to do a lot of lying and waffling to try to win over in the first place. but from the few comments here it seems she's more nutty than chunky peanut butter.
I'm sure deibold will hand the election to the republican scum in the presidential election, I'm just hoping the people will vote in a super majority in the house and senate. Then mccain can go take his veto pen and assfuck himself with it for all I care.
I see you have learned NOTHING from the conversation we had in the first political topic you started here a couple of months ago. Yeah, the republiCONS are the problem. The DemoRATS rule! Go Obama! YEAH!!
Oh and just so everyone knows where I stand. John McCain is a manchurian candidate, a marxist socialist sympathyzer and a scumbag of the highest order. Barack Obama is well known to be a drug addicted bisexual who bottoms for gay prostitutes. Both will be good servants of the Unseen Hand. Don't be stupid. Stay home on Election Day (more properly called SELECTION Day). That's the best way to give the NWO a big FUCK YOU.
For the record, if you don't want to talk/read politics, you can easily avoid the post. It's not that hard. I see plenty of the most asinine freakin threads you can imagine on this site and choose to simply not read past the first post and/or to not participate. Unless Brian wants to regulate the board based on subject, don't be that guy/gal and complain about the topic of a thread.
there's even the helpful "OT" in the title. click at your own risk.
and on an aside, who looks more like the emperor? mccain or the pope? I vote for the pope. dude looks totally evil. I guess the devil had to possess a new body once rumsfeld was booted from office.
Vote Putin in '08, you dogs
Her husband works for BP, the Dems can just rub everybody's face in that from here to the end and alienate enough voters from the McCain/Palin ticket.
He's a union member and works on the pipeline. He's blue-collar, not some high rollin' oil executive, I believe.
My mistake then, hes also a seasonal worker and works as a fisherman in the summer. None the less, when I see "Republican" and "Alaska" in the same sentence, the first thing that comes to mind is "oil". I guess we'll just have to see how that plays out in the general population. Just to be clear, I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I just hate John McCain and especially what he has become in the last 4 years.
I do as well, BBB. I hate DoucheBama just as much, though.
"Her husband works for BP, the Dems can just rub everybody's face in that from here to the end and alienate enough voters from the McCain/Palin ticket. "
"He's a union member and works on the pipeline."
Tripped right out of the starting gate.
We should've been drillin' in Alaska and elsewhere for the last 30 years as well as building refineries. Peak oil is nothing but an f'ing scam. The oil companies love the fact that we have a bunch of morons in Congress that haven't let us drill and keep the supply up with the demand. It makes them richer and richer.
Not really a fan of Palin, but this just seems like she had the (figurative) balls to take charge and say "Fuck you" to due process. The trooper was slapping the wife around, accused of tasering the 11 year old stepson, was suspended for 10 days later reduced to 5. I only wish Granholm would do something like that to Kwame.
The bigger scandal is the whole "I'm going to replace everybody that doesn't agree with me", which I suppose is what politicians do, but this was a creamery board. In Alaska. Let's repeat: A Creamery Board. In Alaska. Before this her claim to fame was getting some guy a $12k fine on the ethics committee.
Being governor of Alaska does not equal earth shattering issues. That and her creationism will probably turn off a ton of people.
Shikselover's mom may not be as hot, but she does do that thing with her tongue.
One of the criteria of nominating a VP should be their capability to act as commander in chief. Someone who was mayor of a town of 9,000 people 2 years ago does not fit this criteria.
Oh, and the VP debates should be interesting. And by interesting I mean a massacre.
You mean those debates where the 'winner' is the individual who looks more composed while managing to say absolutely nothing of substance, speaks only in generalities of plans they'll never implement and has a better makeup artist work on them prior to the debate?
one of the criteria for electing a PRESIDENT should be their capability to act as commander in chief. Instead we vote on which one we'd like to have a beer with, or the fact that we're jealous of windsurfers.
Because Fuckface DoucheBama has TONS of experience with his 4 years in the Senate and a litany of missed votes.
Much like Assface McCain, Joe Biden is nothing but an f'ing career political hack who's old worthless ass should've been tossed out of the Senate by the people of Delaware YEARS ago.
I hate ALL of these screwballs, but, Sarah Palin is the least despicable of the four.
you just want to give her suprise buttsex. way to think with your dick, mr. dickhead.
. . . as long as he defends himself at all times.
She's a committed Christian who's pro-life in practice as well as in
theory; she recently gave birth to a son that she knew would have Down
I have, and always will be pro-choice, and suspicious of politicos wearing the "Christian" tag. And in spite of that, this is perhaps the most exemplary thing I've heard a politician do.
There's a lot of people in this world who would not have taken this
route, pro-choice and pro-life (hypocrites). I admire the hell out of
her for this single moral choice. It's exactly what this country needs
- someone who practices what the hell they preach.
so she's a genetic reject too.
*as all the people who know someone with DS get ready to tell me how offensive that crack was*
I told someone last night that I'd rather see Palin costar with Jenna Haze in Asseaters Unanimous Volume 17 than be McCain's running mate, so, who am I to say what's offensive?
someone who practices what the hell they preach
Agreed, quite refreshing, isn't it?
But slappy, you need to use a smaller font size, I can still read your posts.
why abortion is not ok but war is. does it matter whose baby it is????? the kneejerk reaction is NO, a complicated answer is it depends.....
life is complicated --if one believes in individual freedoms--like carrying a gun, deciding your own religion, and educating one's children--then why is deciding what to do or not do with one's own body a bad thing?
on the other hand, if you believe in Christian values like caring for one another and being your brother's keeper then why wouldn't you oppose war, support universal policies for the good of all, love all despite differences?
I just don't get it and all this politics stuff make my head really really hurt.
Something I've noticed about Palin similar to what you are talking about is how she is Pro-Choice, yet also pro-capital punishment. Pro-Life, but anti- universal children's healthcare and more spending on education of all levels. Who care's about the kid's who are already born, they can fend for themselves or suffer the consequences of their parents' missteps, we only care for the unborn. The Christian Right is highly contradictory and I wonder why Christians are so gung-ho Republican anyway. Jesus would most certainly not be a Republican (and most likely not a Dem either) today.
I find it funny/infuriating when my church brings people to speak to the congregation about the hot topics in politics...I didn't come to mass to hear political agenda dude, sit down. It's ridiculous. How is it okay to cherry pick what Christian values matter more than others? That's what frustrates me about the Christian Right's stances on certain things. Start a Christian populist movement or don't vote based on your religious views at all. Not that this is all directed towards Palin specifically, but it's just extremely contradictory and absurd. End of rant.
Jay - I don't, at all, mean this as an insult:
You should start a "What Really Grinds my Gears" feature/blog. The depth and passion of your hatred for things is admirable.
Palin pushed to have creationism be taught in AK schools. what else is there to say? she is a complete wacko.
The people of each public school district should decide on the cirriculum of its own schools. If the parents in that particular district don't have a problem with creationism being taught alongside evolution in the classroom, than neither do I. Its really none of our fucking business.
By the way, I would consider a person who has pledged to give untold billions of dollars in US taxpayer money to help fund that unconstitutional, evil, corrupt monstrosity known as the United Nations a fucking wackjob as well. That person would be good ole Fuckface himself, Barack DoucheBama.
do people hate the UN? and what has obama done to perpetuate the UN 'monstrocity'? i mean, he's only been a senator for 4 years (no experience!)
i'm waiting for jay to throw out an O$U, herrrrrrrrr, ima talkin funny cause they pay der playahs, gettit? -blast.