We're looking good early - bike attempt goes wide.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Don't really follow soccer. Can someone explain what's at stake in today's game?
Confederations Cup final.
of the warm up tournament for the 2010 World Cup. So nothing really, but it could be a momentum builder.
I dont really follow soccer either. i had never heard of this tournament before 2 weeks ago. it would be really cool to beat spain though
I'm following the game on espn gamecast at work. The anti-American commentator (i think he's british) is really starting to piss me off
A place in the final of an exhibition tournament.
I'm watching the game. Those trumpets are awful - I cannot listen to the match.
Also, it doesn't look good that the stadium is only 60% full for the semi-final. Oh well.
What are they doing in the stands? Jumping jacks?
has made some borderline racist comments about what people from Africa do at games. Probably some of that stuff.
Spain's starting to turn it on. I'm liking the play of Landon right now - he's really turning it up defensively and winning some 50-50 balls.
an ATH. 3 Stars. Meh prospect.
playing under control and having good first touches. GOOAAALLL!!
Wow, what a goal!
Jozy gets a yellow card for celebrating and taking his shirt off. That's the same discipline a player can get for breaking another player's leg with a bad challenge.
Edit: Never mind, someone just stated why he got the yellow.
Sweet control and finish by Jozy. We can't lay back and play a defensive game now. Keep the offensive pressure up.
catching the first 10m of play during my lunch break, seeing that we're up 1-0 has made me happy. USA seemed like they were playing out of their minds.
Does Spain still have that crazy old racist guy (Aragones?) as its coach?
Nope, del Bosque is their coach now. They have yet to lose under him, I believe.
No different coach now. I bet he's still racist though.
The US has to keep up the pressure, I think they'll need at least one more goal to win, at least in regulation.
I'm going to be hearing these trumpets in my head for weeks on end. It sounds like giant mosquitoes buzzing over the stadium.
Those stupid horns are going to make the World Cup miserable. South Africa should be banned from hosting or playing in international competition until every single one of those horns is hunted down and put on a rocket ship to the sun.
Can someone explain the trumpets? It sounds like a damn horde of bees circling the stadium.
Are they US fans? Spain fans?
I am so glad this does not happen in a sport I watch regularly...
posted about these horns on Monday in his UV post. This is an African thing.
I cannot watch these games with the volume on. 2010 World Cup is going to suck.
maybe he can play quarterback?
Thank you for that worthwhile contribution to this topic.
packing it in right now. this is not good. too early for that.
They are playing, gulp, Tressel-Ball - oy...
this is ridiculous.
Holy shit. I never expected to see this. Game is not over though. Spain is too good.
...the last thing the World wants to see is the U.S. win international tournaments in the one sport the world sees as its passion and the United States takes little "popular" interest in.
That sounds like the world's problem :) and part of the reason I enjoy so thoroughly any win over Mexico.
Agreed - wins over Mexico bring mad schadenfreude.
He had nothing but goaltender and net in front of him and he tries to get it to Dempsey, through THREE guys
brings to the table.
Wayne rooney to me.
nothing, but altidore looked exhausted and dempsey injured
...and both should have been subbed out 10 minutes before they were.
I think he is just a big body to wear down defenders.
Don't follow soccer but I've got to believe Spain sucks.
you're not allowed to tackle in international football anymore. What a ridiculous red card. That's why the card system sucks.
That was such a bullshit red card. What the fuck is with soccer refs? They are the biggest joke refs ever.
Was a cleats-up challenge right at the ankle. That kind of shit breaks ankles, and gets a red card 90% of the time.
WOWW that red card was weak as fuck. He was obviously going for the ball
USA's got a rep. It hurts.
did 3 mins of stoppage time come in?
YEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Wow! Never saw this coming. I really thought we were going to get killed
I think a US team deserves the ultimate tribute.
Pray for South Africa.
The biggest benefit of this tourney is that, for the first time in ages (read: since the last world cup) we're playing quality competition in a meaningful setting.
If we always stick with CONCACAF-level teams, we'll never get better. The experience we're getting now is worth more than any Confederations Cup title will ever be if it gets us more prepared for next year.
So, I'm hoping we see Brazil.
Fine, but that first game was seriously ugly, man.
but it sounds like the refs are trying to fuck US. Or are they calling bullshit penalties(?) on Spain too?
They aren't playing in the US - aka - yes, they are f-ing US.
I thought the refs did a good job in the first half. They just let them play. The clothes line right in front of the ref on - I believe - Davis was a blatant non-call though. 1-2 calls were a little rough, but it wasn't that bad of a whole game.
When the US plays overseas, refs typically consider a game to be incomplete until a US player is ejected.
Is there some kind of appeals process for red card suspensions? It just seems so unfair to lose one of our best players for the Final on an absolute bullshit call in a game that was already over. I bet that might be overturned if an impartial judge reviewed it.
Regardless, incredible win. Reminded me the Capital One Bowl in that I wanted to believe the US had a chance but I went into the game really thinking they were going to get slaughtered.
but its highly unlikely. unlike the NBA or NHL, FIFA rarely finds it in their best interest to overrule the referees. Probably because of all the flopping and diving, they realize its a really slippery slope for them to go rescinding cards. What is more likely to happen is the referee quietly gets banished to reffing Greece v. Monte Carlo for a few games if FIFA finds his call was improper.
That was absolutely deserving of a red card. Bradley went in cleats-first on the dude's ankle. At first blush I was screaming bloody murder also, but on the replay you can clearly see what he did. That's the kind of tackle that breaks ankles.
3 red cards in 4 games is an almost impossible level of immaturity, and that falls on (poppa) Bradley.
Second place at worst, not bad, not bad 't'all.** And if nothing else all this competition against Europe's best plus Brazil is excellent practice for Mexico on August 12 and the rest of the qualifying games too.
**Still just a more or less meaningless set of exhibitions, but hey: it's a nice little peg to hang the hat on regardless.
This is definitely a step above a meaningless set of exhibitions. In meaningless exhibitions between the US and some world power, we're generally facing a B-team (and generally we still lose).
This was a major world tournament and warm up for the world cup, and Spain had its best team on the field (and was probably already dreaming of playing Brazil).
Im not arguing this is on the same level as the World Cup or European Championship or anything, but its about as big a win as we've had since Portugal.
this is a huge victory - biggest in history of US soccer? - spain was #1 riding the longest unbeaten streak while US was, for all intensive purposes, floundering.
its hard to talk about momentum for a tournament a year away, but hopefully this helps.
For all intensive purposes?
purposes that are grueling and require great concentration. purposes characterized by intensity. There are many of these kinds of purposes and for all of these, the US was floundering.
You sure he didn't mean "porpoises that are foundering?"
Like we were diving for dolphins. I can see that.
Quit acting like a pre-madonna
You should of proofread that
Whoa, let's not get carried away. Spain's #1 and all, but this ain't the World Cup. I'm'a hafta say Portugal in '02 was bigger. They might not have been #1 but they were top five somewhere.
and plus another 1.
IMO this game was a great example of how sometimes making the "timely play" and capitalizing on the few opportunities you get beats a mass of opportunities that aren't quite as good. That said, Spain had a TON of opportunities, but the way the US defense sacrificed themselves to hold on for like half an hour of almost entirely Spanish offense was really cool to watch.
If we face South Africa in the championship game...the trumpets are going to be absolutely unbearable. The ESPN announcers (who actually seemed pretty level headed) said the horns might be banned for the Cup. Keep your fingers crossed.
were so freakin' annoying
We got lucky though. Spain outplayed us and just couldn't finish... and the refs also missed several fouls that could have been P.K.'s. I'm happy about the result though and Howard played very well.
I really dislike calling this win lucky. Would you say any time a massive underdog wins it's luck? Spain will beat us 9 times out of 10, but this is that 1, and it's because of execution and a fuckload of effort and some luck.
What was lucky was Donovan's pass on the second goal. The boy needs to learn how to shoot. 99 times out of 100 that was the wrong thing to do, but it worked this time.
I also disagree that there were PKs that weren't called. At least one instance was definitely on the borderline, but being on the borderline means sometimes its called, sometimes its not.
Yeah. I kind of regretted using the word "lucky". I agree with the 9 times out of 10 thing but I just thought our second goal was more of a fault by Ramos than a good play by the US. PK's are always debatable and refs hate to call them so I understand that. I just thought there was 1 or 2 that probably should have been called. I just felt that Spain probably outplayed us in most aspects of the game. Given that, it was still a great effort by the US and I'm hoping for another upset against Brazil, assuming they beat South Africa.
if the refs were determined to decide the game. When the refs properly account for "was the ball playable/was the intent to deny an obvious scoring chance" rather "did someone fall down in the box" then I can't say that they "missed" anything.
if the penalty box were called in that same way for all games, I could live with it.
Yeah... PKs are always debatable and most refs don't like to call them. There was just 1 or 2 that I thought were somewhat questionable as to whether the defender played the ball or the man. It was a great overall effort by team USA though.
Sure, Spain had possession for a couple of insanely long stretches. But possession only matters to the extent that it results in chances - and every time Spain was close, the ball was knocked away before any damage could be done or Howard came up with the save (most of his saves weren't extraordinarily difficult, there were just a lot of them).
(As for PKs - there was one play, at most, that was close, and I'm 99% sure the attacker was offside anyway.)
I agree that we defended well in the box but our second goal came from a stupid mistake by ramos. Thats kind of what i meant by "luck". They also spent a lot more time in the attacking third. I was really impressed with Onyewu and the other defenders efforts defending crosses though.
Looked night and day better than the last three games. Improvement on this scale was biggest hope for us in this tournament, considering how rarely we play quality competition.
- Coach Bradley is still a moron though. Part of why Spain had us under constant barrage for the last half hour is because our legs were all gone. Altidore and Dempsey needed to come out at least 10 minutes before they did.
- Casey - if you're not going to run all out for the 10 minutes of playing time you get each game, then just stop fucking suiting up.
- Why is our general fitness level so low? I understand that withstanding a team like Spain is exhausting, and that the entire second half was the soccer equivalent of a half hour penalty kill and all the exhaustion that entails, but still, we need to be in better shape.
- Donovan continues to be our best player dedication wise, but the motherfucker needs to learn when to shoot.
- Altidore's box out on his goal was brilliant, brilliant stuff.
- Dempsey goes down faster than that chick who gave me chlamydia.
- Howard looked much improved in his decision making over his Brazil effort.
- We actually, occasionally, displayed world class skill, particularly in a few key possessions along the sidelines to keep plays alive.
- Harkes as a color guy is pretty damn good if you overlook the fact that he's not quite critical enough (too often it seems like he's shooting for the bright side whenever he points out a US mistake), but the play-by-play guy is a fucking moron. He spends about 20% of his time actually doing play-by-play, and the other 80% repeating the same 3 or 4 talking points.
- Our defense was the biggest suprise for me and in general Onyewu has been outstanding. Spector is still good for a facepalm or two per game, but the way we closed down on the ball as a unit was superb. Spain rarely got an uncontested shot off.
- However, Spain got a lot contested shots off. That we contested them - great. That we let them have the space to collect the ball and line up the shot in the first place - bad. There were a lot of defensive breakdowns in the communication between the d and our midfielders.
Even though it was an impressive victory, I am still worried about this team's ability to possess the ball against the World's best teams. The US looked extremely shaky in terms of possession, often failing to string together 3 or 4 passes. Spain controlled most of the game until the second goal. And Spain's advantage in possession wasn't the same as Egypt's in the last game. Egypt had the ball in their defensive end for a lot of that but Spain was in our attacking third a lot more than we were in theirs. I don't have the exact numbers but ESPN showed a few graphics during the game about possession and entries into the attacking third and it wasn't very close. Altidore's goal was a very good physical play, but the second goal was from a stupid mistake by Sergio Ramos. I'm happy with the victory but I don't think we can come close to beating Brazil with a similar offensive effort in the championship game.
I think, unfortunately, that when Reyna called it quits however many years ago it was, he took 80% of our ball possession skills with him.
I haven't seen us mark up in the back like that in a while. Far from perfect, but good intent and effort. Onyewu was always in the critical spot he had to be in to prevent golden opportunity. His play was necessary because Spain had whatever it wanted on the wing.
At 3:50 you can see that Bradley goes cleats-up into the ankles. Definite red card.
is such a bullshit reasoning in soccer. every tackle is into the ankles. same with "cleats up" you can't slide with your cleats down. they're cleats.
there are definitely "cleats up into the ankle tackles" but they are far close to what Clark did in game 1 than what Bradley did today. Bradley's toes were down and he was on his way up off his knees when contact was made. It looked bad, but it wasn't bad.
You absolutely can go in without the cleats up - for instance going in with your shins.
When your cleats are up it basically means you are putting all your sliding body's force into the bottom of you foot and concentrating it on the ankle / shin of another player. Said player being anchored into the ground, somewhat, by his cleats. Its a really good way to break something.
I understand everyone calling bullshit on the call, cause you see similar fouls all the time and they're often yellows. At the same time though, the laws of the universe dictate that all refs are morons. It should be a red card.
Regardless, even if you disagree with the red, it's still absolutely a card, and is on a challenge in which:
- we were already up 2-0
- the entirety of the defense was behind Bradley
- was at the 18
Bradley has got a temper he has to fucking get under control.
is a great way to break a leg (yours). it was a stupid challenge, but I've always thought that a straight red should be delivered with a little more consideration.
It was a bad challenge, but there's no way in hell that should have been a red.
Bradley played the ball and got the ball. It's a terrible call. Arguably it's not even worthy of a yellow.
The BBC announcer said "in England, I don't even think that's a free kick". That isn't a red card in any league in the world, except apparently in Uruguay where this jackass refs? It's the same doof who reffed our redcard festival with Italy in 2006.
I have to agree with Seth, it was almost like the ref realized "crap, the game is almost over and I haven't thrown out a US player yet!!"
Godzilla don't forget the US got a several questionable straight red cards in the last World Cup as well, when Bruce Arenas was the coach. At some point it's not the players or the coaches. That red card just comes out quicker when the US is on the field, especially the straight red. I don't care how agressive you're playing, what are the odds of three straight reds in four games??
We definitely did get fucked a bit in the World Cup, but 3 reds in 4 games does not, to me, signal "diobolical international conspiracy" so much as "piss poor judgment and coaching". Especially since I agree with all three reds.
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think it's just a lack of respect for the US team from international officials. They don't see the Americans in the same class as the team they are playing against so they don't give the benefit of the doubt. To be fair this is a problem in Europe that extends all the way to the club level, the officiating is slanted towards the big-money clubs in ways that David Stern can only dream about (of course it doesn't hurt when the big clubs are bribing them too....)
Luckily I think the Spanish players didn't give the US team a whole lot of respect either, they seemed pretty flat today.
Hopefully more results like this game will start changing that perception a little bit.
Am I the only person who likes the vuvuzela? I think it's awesome. I don't find it distracting at all.
the trumpets sound like those scenes from exorcist 2 with the swarms of locusts coming. I keep waiting for altidore's head to start spinning around and spewing green apple gatorade...