I think the Wings match up better against the Ducks than the Canucks.
at least it's not just us?
I think the Wings match up better against the Ducks than the Canucks.
Playing the ducks would give me terrible flashbacks to 2003. I'd rather play vancouver.
I'm not sure, Luongo scares me. He's got a .962 save % and 1.15 GAA in the playoffs so far, plus a shutout in the last regular season game (against the avalanche). I know it is only the blues, but he had to stop 47 shots out of 49 in the elimination game. I definitely agree with you about the Ducks however, they are not a team I would like to play right now at all. The Ducks have the physical players (Pronger) to protect their young goalie, and he is brimming with confidence right now. I am not convinced that the Canucks can beat Detroit in a playoff series if Luongo goes cold or injures his groin again, especially if their skaters aren't more well rested than Detroit's. The Canucks have already wrapped up their series. I'll say, should the Wings pull it out tomorrow (the Jackets looked dangerous the last 10 minutes of the last game) and not need any more games this series, I would want to play Vancouver. Otherwise send us the Ducks. Deep down I am hoping we meet San Jose in the conference finals so Claude Lemiux can get beat down when he tries to add to his 5:00 of playing time in the playoffs so far. I wish we could play Chicago next round, then I could make my way down there for an away game, and it would be easier travel for the team.
Summary: Luongo is big scary guy. If we win tomorrow, give us Vancouver. If not, give us the Ducks
FTW. What kills Red Wings playoff runs? A hot goalie. Luongo is a killer. We want the Ducks. They are a shell of their former self.
Luongo doesn't exactly have a lot of playoff success. Like I said, I think he's very good. I do not, however, think he is "hot". His stats look very good, but St. Louis isn't exactly an offensive juggernaut and he hasn't exactly been playing out of his mind. If we're going by stats, Osgood has been playing better. I just don't see Vancouver being able to handle the Wings.
If the Wings keep this level of play up, can anybody handle them? Maybe Columbus is making them look better than they're playing, but they look nigh unstoppable right now.
I have to admit, I only watched one Vancouver game in the playoffs so far and was judging Luongo's play only on stats-a precarious thing to do for goalies and more so in the playoffs. Guess I had painful memories of running into hot goalies in the past circling in my head. I think I have to agree with you then, and hope we get the Canucks. Any team that gives up nearly 50 shots to the Blues, elimination game or not, will have a very tough time with Detroit.
Luongo's lack of playoff success can't be attributed to him playing bad though. In 2006-07, he posted a 1.77 GAA and .941 save percentage in 12 playoff games, finishing 5-7 and losing in the second round to Anaheim. Vancouver as a team scored 21 goals in those 12 games (1.75 per game). A superb goalie is an invaluable asset in the playoffs, but you can't win if you don't score goals. It's the same thing that plagued Ron Mason's incredible MSU teams come NCAA tourney time, especially with Ryan Miller.
The past two times we've played the Anaheim Ducks, they've beaten us. Following our Stanley Cup in 2001-2002, we ran into a red hot Jean Sebastien-Gigure who, single handidly, won them the series. Although he still plays for the Ducks, he's been riding the pine the past half of the season for this Hiller kid. Luongo, IMO, is the best tender in the entire league right now, and has the capability to have the same success Gigure did in '02 against us. Although the Ducks have underperformed this year and are very talented, I would much rather play them than the Canucks. It's hard to win on the road in a Canadian city as well.
Not only did he win them the series, he pretty much single-handedly took them through two more series, and to a 7th game in the finals. The scary thing is that Hiller's play has been very similar to Giguere's in '03. There is another problem that I see as well, and that is that the Ducks are a much "chippier" team, and when they are losing late, Pronger hits people with intent to injure. Every playoff series but Wings/Jackets has been bogged down by stupid scrums after nearly every whistle (Jackets try to get chippy, but the game is so far out of reach that the refs have been decent at calling them for extra penalties when they try to start stuff), and if we were playing the Ducks, I would be worried about Pronger just taking someone out.
And as someone with a hyphenated last name, I feel it is my responsibility to point out that Jean-Sebastien is hyphenated, not Sebastien Giguere
Gimme the Ducks everytime. I want revenge.
Further than that though, the Wings were the better team two years ago and got done in by injuries on the blueline and some really bad luck (and Hasek flopping like a fish in Game 6). Let the Ducks be their typical, stupid, goonish selves. They'll play themselves right out of the series with their parades to the box.
Agreed. Losing Kronwall, Schneider, (Lilja or Lebda can't remember?) killed us that series. Chris Pronger and Corey Perry might be the two players that I despise the most in the entire league. I would love to see Kronwall lay out Perry next round.
It was Lebda. Recall: game 6 some big swedish ogre turning over a puck in his defensive zone to Teemu Selanne to basically wrap the series.
I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out that the BJ's coach is a huge prick. First he made all the fuss about "cheating" and then he said his team was "the better team" during the first half of the first game.
I think without a doubt that playing the Ducks is a much better option. Luongo is a better goalie than Hiller or Giguere, and it's really not that close. Neither team, in my opinion, has the depth on either offense or defense to beat Detroit in a 7-game series without masterful goaltending, and Luongo seems far more likely to catch fire than either Anaheim goalie. Also, Anaheim tends to take a lot of penalties, which is death against Detroit (though admittedly Vancouver also had some problems of their own against St. Louis). So give me the Ducks any day.
there isn't a team out there that can beat the Wings in a 7 game series, unless one of our major key players is lost.
I admit I did not want the Ducks in the first round and was happy as hell the Blues moved up, but then again, the Jackets, while maybe a primer, they are really not testing the Wings.
I'm thinking the Wings win tonight and then whoever they play next round, they'll drop the first game and then go on to roll the rest of the series
I disagree - I think Boston, San Jose, and possibly Pittsburgh can give Detroit a run. All 3 have a goalie who is better than either Osgood or Conklin (granted, Osgood does have a habit of playing better in the playoffs than the regular season), and have scoring depth fairly equal to what Detroit has. None has the defensive depth of Detroit, but then again, a better goalie can make up for some defensive weaknesses. Should Anaheim hold on and beat San Jose, I think it shouldn't be terribly difficult for Detroit to make it to the finals again. But facing Boston or Pittsburgh in the final will be an interesting matchup.
had a far better team last year then they do this season, and you see where that got them against the Wings in the cup series. Boston would be a good matchup, but I still don't see anyone being able to stop the Wings.
Watching the Wings play vs. watching another series is like night and day. The wings have such precision passing, it's like they are just out there playing with the opposing team.
I'm not sure I agree that Pittsburgh's team last year was far better. Yes, they had Hossa last year, but I think they are more balanced this year. They have a better defense now with the emergence of Letang, Fleury still has the talent to steal games, and it's not like Crosby or Malkin regressed in talent. Plus they added guys like Kunitz and Guerin who have won Cups before and are pretty good players in their own right.
Don't get me wrong, I still think Detroit wins that matchup, but if you look at last year, it was a pretty even series outside of games 1 and 2.
That is never, ever true of any team in the NHL playoffs. Any team, no matter how good, can run into the buzzsaw of a red-hot goalie and get eliminated.
I think that I might feel a little better about a series against Anaheim. Vancouver seems to have a tight defense in addition to a great goaltender, unlike Anaheim, who has been giving up shots and scoring chances to San Jose by the dozens. SJ had 20 shots on goal in the first period the other day. With that said, neither team would be easy at all, and I can see the Wings getting upset in either case.
I think everyone is over looking the San Jose effect in that series. Their team is stacked with guys who've never had playoff success and it seems like the calendar turns over to april and they pucker up tighter than a snare drum. Yes, the ducks have been good in this series, but have they been outstanding? No. Hiller has been good, not out of his mind, and the Sharks have had the most disgusting power play I've ever seen (hyperbole) through three games. They lack the ability to get to the net and give Hiller some obstacles to seeing the puck.
We want the Ducks. They are not as they appear.
don't scare me, and the more games they go with San Jose the better.
It's hard to judge the Nucks or Luongo because the Blues, while being strong since January, hardly put up a fight.
On the flip side, Columbus has hardly put up a fight against Detroit, so it's hard to judge exactly how well Detroit is playing. There's always the risk that, once Detroit faces a team who can generate offense from more than one player, Osgood reverts to his regular season form of a 3+ GAA.
Luongo is the type of goalie that can put a team on his shoulders and just take over a series.
Our forwards/defense have been playing extremely well.
From a Canucks point of view, I'd much rather play Chicago than Detroit...
If I were a big Wings fan, I'd rather play Anaheim than Vancouver...
Vancouver is much better than people think.
He really hasn't though. You can name goalies that have. Roy did it back in the day. Guiguerre did it against us. Luongo is a great goalie, but he has never done what you're saying he could do.
The arguments are conflicting. People are saying that Luongo can win a series by himself and then simultaneously saying that his lack of playoff success is due to his teammates. You can't have it both ways. He is a great goalie, but there is a difference between a great goalie and one that is "hot" in the playoffs. Guiguerre is not a hall-of-fame goalie, but he had a hell of a playoff run. Luongo is clearly better, but he's yet to get into the zone at the right time. The classic "hot" goalie is one that isn't always the best, but just gets on a roll. This rarely happens to veteran goalies. I'm not sure why but it doesn't.
So what do you do about a situation like Dallas in 2007? Marty Turco posts 3 shutouts, a 1.30 GAA, 0.952 save percentage, and still loses in the first round. Your goalie can let up 4 goals in a playoff series and your team can still lose. The hottest goalie in the world won't win a series if his team cannot score goals.
I personally think Luongo is a stellar goalie, and probably the best goalie in the NHL right now. Can he put a team on his back and carry them far in the playoffs? Without a doubt. Plenty of goalies have done so. I don't see how you can totally dismiss a goalie's ability to carry his team in the playoffs when he's had all of one opportunity prior in his career (and in which he played extremely well, to boot). How many times did Osgood fail prior to winning in 1998? How about Khabibulin prior to winning in 2004? What exactly makes you think Luongo does not have the ability to carry a team?
are playing great hockey right now, but so was Osgood until last nights game. Going into last nights game his gaa was .67.
Hillers got two shutouts now against the Sharks, which rolls its lines and has a lot of offense. I'd say right now Hiller looks like the better goalie, but then again, so did Mason before he faced the playoff Wings.
Detroit's biggest weakness is their penalty killing which Columbus was the least capable of exploiting. Anaheim, on the other hand, has a strong power play unit while Vancouver's is pretty meh. We match up with Vancouver better, but it looks like it may be Anaheim anyway.