Yeah, I almost spit out my coffee when I heard Dery say that.
still not over it in South Bend
Yeah, I almost spit out my coffee when I heard Dery say that.
What about Avery Johnson? wasn't he considered before we hired Curry? I'd prefer him over Doug Collins!
Curry was a mistake. A good guy but in over his head.
"WHEN I PASS YOU THE BALL IN THE CORNER SHOOT THE BALL!!!!"
I wouldn't mind seeing us hire Avery Johnson, given the alternatives. I'm not getting my hopes up though -- to Dumars, hiring Johnson would be like admitting he was wrong about picking Curry over him in the first place, and I think Dumars might be a little too hard-headed to do that.
I think the stubbornness on joes part was due to his sticking with his core players too long, which, I think, is due more to loyalty than stubbornness. His hiring of curry was probably him trying to keep some measure of consistency to see if they could make a run with ai.
have anything up yet. Nice work guys on having the nation know and not have one story up on it. The Freep is leading with a Michelle Wie book article.
The News and Mlive had the story up at least 11 minute prior to your post.
Does this mean Bill Laimbeer?
Nope. See my post above.
Thank god. I thought Curry was a terrible hire in the first place.
I know he's a diva ...... but he can't be happy in basketball purgatory know as being a Bobcat and he did lead us to a championship
Larry lives in NC. I think he is perfectly fine there. Of course, he will always follow the dollar so you never know. I always liked Carlyle.
Might as well hire Bob Knight. I guess Coach K is out.
weird, no one has mentioned Izzo yet.
I would like to see this. But doubt it would happen.
For the love of god, just hire Laimbeer already. I've been saying it for almost 4 years now.
I know this isn't going to happen, but I'd love to see the Pistons try to pluck Izzo away from MSU. Not because I think Izzo would help the Pistons, but because it would hurt MSU to lose him, and this is probably the only other job he would ever consider taking, given his roots in Michigan.
I know it won't happen though ... just felt like mentioning it, I guess
Good Michigan/Good MSU/Good Pistons vs Great Michigan/Mediocre MSU/Mediocre Pistons because of Izzo swaying the ballance (assuming he didn't work out in the NBA just for arguments sake) then I'd choose the one where the Pistons end up good. If Izzo wasn't going to help the Pistons, I wouldn't want him just to spite MSU.
I agree that I would rather bring in a coach who was truly going to help the Pistons than bring in Izzo just to hurt MSU, but the thing is that I just don't see any coaches out there who would turn the Pistons back into a contender within the next few years anyway. As much as I love Bill "Slambeers", he's totally unproven as an NBA coach at this point, and Doug Collins is mediocre at best.
From that perspective, since I think the Pistons will be down for a few years anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing MSU get taken down a couple of pegs in the process.
I dunno, I just hate State so fucking much these days, I'd take just about any opportunity to see them depressed, hahaha...
of in your face, hard nosed coaching is not a fit for NBA... and he would crash and burn in 2 years...
I say it's Collin's job to lose... and Laimbeer becomes assistant...... When Collins voice starts to not be heard.... Big Bill takes over.
hate State...'s football team...I don't really have an issue with their basketball program. Izzo is a class act. I've mentioned it on here before, but I actually had a chance to meet him earlier this year...in his own house. He was very friendly. His house is awesome, by the way.
Incredible find. Thanks for posting.
am i the only one kind of surprised by this?
he might have been over his head but he was dumars' guy from the start. plus, its not like this was the same bunch of players that went to the eastern conference finals for 6 years. losing your team leader, and bringing in AI, while riding an inexperienced point guard...not all of this can be his fault.
detroit is turning into a coaching carousel...
yes, I am. I don't think he is to blame for the disaster that was last season.
I hate Doug Collins. I will be incredibly pissed if Joe D hires him.
100% with you, Collins was very unstable. Didn't he return xmas gifts from players and other bizarre stuff?
Congratulations, Joe D! You've officially turned the Pistons into an NBA sideshow. Shouldn't have this been ironed out before the eve of free agency? Or did the Pistons' main target insist that Curry be gone or he wouldn't sign? (Boozer, perhaps? He'd be the only one with a reasonable alternative i.e. keeping his $13 million contract for next season.)
no... avery... johnson... please god...
Jeff Van Gundy????? Maybe?, No? Yes?
avery johnson's voice for a whole year......sigh
Markus and Julius better anyway
this is off topic, but does anybody know where to or how to get class A or B fireworks? i know its kinda last minute but i'm in need this year, my dude moved
when he throws a football. Try there first.
Why did Joe wait until now? Shouldn't he have done this right after the last game if he was going to do it?
I am wondering if there is a behind the scenes deal already in place.
is the most overrated executive ever. He rode the back of a lucky Grant Hill trade to all sorts of praise, but he really didn't make any spectacular moves. Curry is paying for an insanely lopsided trade.
Who rounds out the top 10 of the most overrated executive ever list?
but I'd say Elgin Baylor when he was the Clippers and Chris Wallace for the job he's done in Memphis.
That '04 one-year-wonder team was a fluke and everyone knows it. Don't defend Dumars' bad decisions because of the lucky good decisions he's made.
I don't really think that you can call that team a one-year-wonder fluke when they followed it up by losing in game 7 of the finals the next year, a game that was tied in the 4th quarter.
The luckiest thing to happen to the Dumars-led Pistons is happening to play in a joke of a conference for a decade (the humor of which has finally come to an end with Celtics-Bron-Dwight). Aside from that, Joes's been the designing hand of what has unquestionably been one of the best teams in basketball over the last six years. Sure, team and player development are probabalistic endeavors (see, for instance, Ben Wallace in '00 or Darko Milicic in '03), but any praise he's come by - which is precious little in the last 6 months - is richly deserved.
The '04 Pistons are an example of just being in the right place at the right time. Joe has made so many BAD decisions as GM, it's hard to believe people still point to the '04 team like he deserves a pass. And who in the world really is praising him for drafting Tayshaun? Really?
Seriously though, how many good decisions has he made since '04? I'd argue next to zero.
RE drafting Tay: plenty, myself included.
RE moves since '04 years: I'd argue that there haven't been any homeruns or strikeouts, which is probably not uncommon for a team that's already clearly one of the top teams in it's conference; there's only so many ways to go up.
As for my no strikeout claim, I saw at the time and still see the logic behind the Chauncy trade. This team, as it was at the beginning of the season was done being what is was for past decade: a perennial conference contender. The only way they were going to get back to that spot was by re-assembling their core, and the Chauncy trade facilitated that.
There have been very few teams over any statistically signigicant stretch of time that have been as good as the Pistons have been over the last decade. Ipso facto, Joe Dumars has been a good GM.
The luckiest thing to happen to the Dumars-led Pistons is happening to play in a joke of a conference for a decade.
There are 15 teams in that conference. One went to the conference finals six consecutive times. The other 14 didn't. (And last I checked, when the Pistons won the 2004 championship, they played a Western Conference team in the Finals.)
Not exactly disparaging the Pistons' accomplishments. And the East was embarrassingly bad.
I never am happy with the hiring of an assistant coach after you fire the head coach. Most likely, the guy will be a poor player manager, or if he isn't that, he won't have the leadership and brains that a head coach needs. I was not happy when I found out Curry got the job, and I actually liked Flip Saunders. So Flip takes us to two straight conference championships (correct?) and we turn around and fire him, only to get kicked out of the playoffs in round one (you know, this season). Recently, the Pistons have run coaches out of town (see Larry Brown and Flip). We go through Coaches like underwear (everybody else's lasts two years right?). I really hope they find a guy they like.
I still don't know why they "fired" larry brown or whatever they did. make him resign or fired, they still let him go. now he's back to coaching just fine again for the bobcats and almost pulled a miracle last year. he almost got the BOBCATS into the playoffs! he only coached for 2 seasons and got us a championship and a championship runner up and we let him go because of fears that he was going to go to the cavs! that was the dumbest thing ever and if we had kept him, would have been an almost unstopable force. now we are right back at square one.