OT: Isiah Lands top 10 player at FIU
Damn he's making moves... #5 2011 C as well
I've never met him but Isiah seems like one charismatic guy. I always loved watching him when I was younger. I think that he will build a great team in time.
Apparently Ms. Brown-Sanders thought he was quite the "people person" as well.
UPDATE: Too Soon?
He may be "charismatic", but he has literally failed at everything he has done since retiring as a player. He killed the CBA, he failed in Toronto, he failed in Indiana, and he possibly proved the most incompetent basketball executive in the history of time with the Knicks.
He was a sore loser (his comment about Larry Bird, his lead of the "freeze out" after losing to the Bulls), a bigot (his comment about Larry Bird and his statement that "he doesn't give a shit about these white fucking season ticket owners") a mysoginist (sexual harrassment), and generally unethical (blaming his own possible suicide attempt on his daughter).
He wasn't horrible as the Pacers head coach.
He couldn't get a team with Reggie Miller, Al Harrington, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, and Jermaine O'Neal out of the first round. Carlisle took the same roster one year later to 18 more wins and a conference final.
To be fair though, that was a very young team. A lot of times you see a young team just suddenly "click" and have a breakthrough. I'm not saying that Isiah would have gotten 61 wins out of them that next season (Carlisle is a very good coach), but he may well have gotten them to improve.
He has failed at everything. But that means that he should strike gold sooner than later. Listen, I don't condone the things he has done and I guess I hold him in higher regard than he should be. I guess I do that bc I have fond childhood memories of his playing days. I'm rooting for him and I hope someday he can redeem himself for the wrong he has done.
He's more likely to strike a gas main than gold.
Failing at everything is more predictive of future failing than future success. This should be obvious, no?
No one lets you off the hook easy. The pro game was not kind to him except for a short while in Indy. Maybe the college game will work, maybe not. However, I will be rooting for him.
Isiah is unquestionably a bad GM, but I didn't think he was that bad of a coach. He might work out at FIU, especially given that he apparently can recruit.
Also, it was Dennis Rodman who said Larry Bird was overrated because he was white. Isiah was then asked if he agreed and said "Yes." I would say that was more a sign of him wanting to stick up for his teammate than him being a bigot; his best friend on the Pistons was white (Bill Laimbeer).
Spoken like a true Bulls fan.
I don't see him as a total failure or a bigot, and I'm not really sold that he sexually harassed anyone (she did make a nice chunk of change, though), but I do agree that his record hasn't been the best since he quit playing. I thought he did a good job of coaching a couple of years in Indiana and one in NY, but he obviously sucks as anything resembling a GM.
I think he sees FIU as a chance to redeem himself and rebuild his reputation. I hope it works out for him, but he will have to become a lot better at assessing personnel than he was in NY.
I went to the game where Raja Bell and FIU upset UM about eight years ago. I was pissed, but after I regained my bearings, I did feel pretty happy for their fans. They seem to have a small but passionate fanbase. They would view Isiah as a God if he succeeded there.
Then, of course, he would probably leave.
He wasn't good in Indiana. He took a team with Reggie Miller, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Al Harrington, and Jermaine O'Neal, barely cracked .500, and couldn't get them out of the first round. Rick Carlisle took the same roster to 18 more wins and two round deeper in the playoffs one year later.
And when, praytell, was he "good" in New York?
Finally, paying a woman millions of dollars to not go to court is not often a sign of innocence.
Again: the Indiana teams he coached were very young. Most of the guys you mentioned were in their early 20's at the time. Isiah went 48-34 in his third season there. That's not horrible. Most of the Pacer players were angry when he was fired.
They improved by 13 games the next year, not 18. I agree that Rick Carlisle is a better coach, but that doesn't mean Isiah sucks. Carlisle is very good. I wish the Pistons could have gotten him back.
Every single one of those players had been in the NBA for at least 3 years prior to that season.
3 years out of high school is still just a 21 year old.
OK, the two straight-from-high-school players were 25 and 23. Harrington (23) was the youngest of the players I mentioned.
You are reaching with this one. That was a young team that had only recently been put together. Plenty of NBA observers thought Isiah did fine with them. The only disappointment was getting upset in the first round of the playoffs. The fact that they, with another year of experience playing together, had a breakthrough under Carlisle does not necessarily mean that they underperformed under Isiah.
Here's a really detailed article on the job he did in Indiana:
If you can recruit, you can win. He might just have success in college.
agrees with this statement.
Hopefully Isiah has found his niche
FIU and Isiah Thomas= match made in heaven.
Maybe he can become a great college coach even though be bombed in the pros. They are 2 completely different animals and very few have succeded at both. All you have to do is be able to recruit and an average Xs and Os guy and you can have good success
Isiah Thomas is still a huge name in the basketball world. Yes, a lot of it lately comes from notoriety, but I work with inner city kids in a basketball program and their perception is dramatically different than your average sports fan. While his coaching skills are debatable, I think he was a decent coach in the NBA. More important, he was a great player and does have a ton of knowledge as a player and a lot of street cred. If he doesn't cheat and get caught, he will be successful at the college level.
If he doesn't cheat and get caught, he will be successful at the college level.
Based on his character flaws, I have an otherwise unfounded suspicion that he will, in fact, cheat and get caught.
He certainly did not perform well in this capacity, but I think there's a strong argument to be made that Scott Layden was worse. He's the one who made the Knicks a terrible team with absolutely no financial flexibility. Isiah inherited that team, took a bunch of risks (which is basically demanded of a gm with terrible, over-payed team in a must-win-now city), and saw those risks go terribly.
Scott Layden was bad. Thomas was worse:
Come on - he shot them further down the hole than Layden had them.
All this talk about how many things Isiah fucked up and he sucked at this and that, yet not one mention of his outstanding ability at giving speeches:
He was doing pretty well up to about 1:30. The look on Knight's face after that is classic. He should have taught Isiah to know when to leave on a high note.
Michigan should have hired him.