They should because TP is not
Agreed. Its a good idea for
Agreed. Its a good idea for them. But, Pryors main reason for attending tUOS was because of the pro style offense. SCREWED.
Give me negative points
That was not his main reason
That was not his main reason for attending tOSU. It had something to do with a car I believe.
That car was his car for one
That car was his car for one night, prom. Rented by some factory owner pryor worked for. But, that guy was caught having 'lunch' with some of OSUs assistants. It was only a rental.
Give me negative points
riiight
believe what you want sir
Wildcat
Here's a link I found:
http://blog.cleveland.com/bransonwright/2009/03/ohio_state_coach_jim_tre...
I hope they do it. It worked against Texas because no one was expecting it, if Tressel goes out of his element to install it, it'll probably throw the offense off, and there'll be growing pains. I'm kind of looking forward to this.
"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch"
The "Wildcat" is basically
The "Wildcat" is basically one type of play; it's not an entire offense. I doubt tUoOS is doing this.
Why would Pryor be having nightmares? He had an excellent season last year, especially as a freshman, and he took his team to a BCS bowl. I highly doubt he'd rather have gone to Michigan, where he'd likely have gone under .500 and be running quite a bit more.
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
Pryor did not have an
Pryor did not have an exellcent season. Maybe his passing efficency was great, but he barely threw it. Most overrated QB ever.
Look outside his stats and it was just a player who could run at QB. Couldn't throw a ball worth a bloodnickle and you know it.
Give me negative points
"Look outside his stats and
"Look outside his stats and it was just a player who could run at QB. Couldn't throw a ball worth a bloodnickle and you know it."
Of course it would appear this way, because without stats, maize and blue homerism are going to dictate what you think about a player for tUoOS. However, the eyeball test is subject to bias, while stats are factual, and they measure how good a quarterback is at doing his job. I realize it's tempting to say that Pryor is a poor quarterback after his performances in the M and Texas games, but fact of the matter is that he performed better at his job than Henne did as a freshman.
What would make you think he "can't throw"? Because he rarely tried to thread the needle? He's a freshman and Tressel is a conservative coach. Put 2 and 2 together.
I can't stand the "Pryor is not a good QB" meme, because it makes M fans look like complete homers.
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
Watch his long balls. 500
Watch his long balls. 500 feet in the air.
He did have a solid WR core too. Now he has younger players. We'll see how he does this year.
Addition: He also had a good offensive line with senior leadership. Thats gone too.
Give me negative points
The balls got there more
The balls got there more often than not. Who cares?
I suppose you think Vince Young was a terrible college QB because he throws the ball like Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite, too, right?
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
Yo, Uncle Rico
I just had to post...
My good friend works in the NFL, and guess what? Vince Young's nickname around his team actually was Uncle Rico, it was a long running joke...maybe that's why he had that breakdown.
Aug '95
whoa
he wasn't even the best dual threat freshman QB last season*. let's not go overboard here.
*(robert griffin III)
Sommy --
Watch highlights of
Sommy --
Watch highlights of Pryor last year and pay special attention to his mechanics, accuracy, and touch. As a PURE PASSING QB, Pryor is "not a good QB." Fundamentally, he is still raw.
Passing efficiency does not tell the whole story. Pryor may not be a classic QB, but his ability to scramble opens up plays downfield and creates opportunities. From this perspective (Pryor in the spread offense), Pryor is a very good quarterback -- accurate enough to complete passes on the run, and mobile enough to make the defense hesitate.
Asserting that Pryor is a better passer than Chad Henne based on QB efficiency ratings is ridiculous. Henne was a much more polished passer as a true freshman; if you put Pryor in that offense and made him stand in the pocket, his numbers would have been significantly lower last year.
So: is Pryor a good QB? If we mean a classic dropback QB, then the answer is no. If we mean an effective QB, then absolutely.
Here we go
3..2..1..
EDIT: Damn, beat me already.
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
Pryor
he had an outstanding supporting cast, you can't really give him all the credit. A lot of those guys are gone, and if they tinker with the offense, it'll mess things up. And if the Wildcat is really only one play, then what are we worrying about?
"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch"
So 8 wins for OSU this
So 8 wins for OSU this season?
It's better to hate to lose, than love to win.
at least 10
edit- at least 9
If pryor is so terrible
You all think Pryor is such a terrible Quarterback, how many people out there wouldn't trade him for Tate straight up this year? (no offense to Tate, just saying)
Sure it's easy to say that
Sure it's easy to say that right now. What if Tate's arm is as accurate and productive his freshman year as Pryor's legs were his freshman year? That is a fair comparison. I'd rather have a QB that can throw well and run a little than a QB that can run well and throw a little, so I'll take Tate.
okay...
What if, what if, what if. My question contained exactly zero what if's, conditions or stipulations. I said straight up, meaning right now, knowing everything we currently know. You would still take Tate? I'm sorry but your being an unrealistic homer. IMO TP is a cocky D-Bag, and I don't like him as a person, but I respect his skills on the football field (including his passing, which will improve every single year he plays)and I wish I had an athlete of that caliber leading my team. I guarentee that no one would rip on his passing skills if he had chose Michigan, and put up identical numbers as a freshman. All we would be hearing is reports on how much he has improved, etc. etc.
You're question was dumb. Of
You're question was dumb. Of course no one will say they're gonna take Tate, a completely unknown QB, over an experienced TP, a guy that can run over LBs. I'm saying to make the comparison and actually comparison, you have to give Tate some degree of experience. In that situation, I'm saying if Tate will have as good a year with his arm as TP did with his legs, then yes, I'll take Tate. But, to answer your non-comparison comparison directly, of course I would take a QB that has experience and has proven himself a little bit in the Big10, over a HS kid that hasn't accomplished squat.
The nightmare was had by the OSU staff
Hello UM Fans - My 1st post! I'm not a ranting flamer because I was alive and sentient in the 90's and know how it feels.
Tress has always added some spread looks here and there when it fit the personnel on the field. e.g. Troy. Reading UM sites talking about radical change in OSU offense is really pretty funny when you know how little Tress likes fundamental change from power.
Pryor was not having nightmares about anything starting as a TF. Rather, OSU staff was having nightmares about not being able to run a pro style offense because the line sucked!
I hope we address this issue next year. It's wierd as an OSU fan to envy the OL at Texas Tech - LOL
well...
I only asked such a "dumb" comparison question to help bring you to what should have been an obvious realization. It is dumb to rip on a true freshman QB who had a way better year than anyone we have did, and who has way more upside than anyone on our current roster. It is dumb to think his passing game won't be drastically improved. I understand your point, but it was off topic. You prefer a QB who is a polished passer, that can use his feet when necessary. As opposed to one who is less polished but a considerably better athlete. That is fine, my whole point is don't rip TP for being a terrible QB when we all know that we'd welcome him (or a cloned non-buckeye version of him) on our roster in a second and more than likely immeadiately annoint him as our savior.
"It is dumb to think his
"It is dumb to think his passing game won't be drastically improved."
Not necessarily. With a new receiving corp TP might just break even. He will probably be throwing more too without an experienced backup.
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
GIVE ME TATE
I'd take Tate.
Not just because I'm a Michigan fan. Well...maybe a little. But Pryor showed some flashes of brilliance but wasn't that solid. I think Tate's accuracy will be key.
Dead serious I'd take Tate 51/49.
it's ironic that you called
it's ironic that you called his question dumb but you don't know the difference between you're and your
Haha, good stuff. Nice catch.
Haha, good stuff. Nice catch. I was real tired from studying Calc II and Chemistry bullshit for upcoming tests. I was checking up on mgoblog during my studying. That's pretty bad on my part because my mother and sister are both English teachers.
tpilews, Pryor didn't just
tpilews, Pryor didn't just get the job done with his legs. If you don't believe it from the tape, believe it from the stats.
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
Well, sure he's got decent
Well, sure he's got decent passing stats. But, as was already stated, his ability to scramble opened up opportunities for his WRs to be WIDE open. Floating ducks that stay in the air for nearly 1/2 an hour (UM game) and become a completed 40 yd pass, are not impressive.
Stats like, OSU didn't score
Stats like, OSU didn't score an offensive touchdown in 3 games last year. I'm not saying Pryor is awful, but he is no world beater yet. This year will be more telling than last. You have to figure in that his most impressive win was either MSU or the late win at Wisconsin. Even in the case of Wisconsin, he had to recover his own fumble to keep that drive alive. The kid is good, but not great.
"It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine!!"
Well, strangely enough, as
Well, strangely enough, as good as I think Pryor is, I'd much prefer Tate over him at this point, and yeah, it is related to mechanics and consistency. So yeah, I suppose that as a "pure passing QB," no, Pryor is not good. But he's not a pro-style QB, so that comparison is worthless, and he's getting the job done regardless with both his arm and his legs.
Either way, yeah, I'd definitely take Tate in the short run, but Pryor does have more athletic ability and more upside, though, and could potentially be much better than Tate down the road.
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
Uggggh, I can't believe the
Uggggh, I can't believe the homerism around here. People are still trying to argue Pryor is a bad quarterback? I love the "Who cares if he is statistically the best true freshman quarterback in the last 5 years, watch his games!" argument. Yes, let's throw out all numerical logic and reason and go entirely on abstract observations.
Also, the argument that 'he didn't throw the ball enough so his stats don't matter' is retarded too. He had 165 attempts, that's plenty to make a reasonable statistical analysis of.
And what if he is not accurate on the long ball? Maybe it's because he was a TRUE FRESHMAN?
Agreed.
Agreed.
True but...
Remember, statistically speaking, Timmy Chang and Colt Brennen are two of the greatest college QBs in the last few decades. You do have to take several variables into account, not just stats.
As far as homerism goes, I work right beside an OSU grad who was not impressed with Pryor this year (in spite of results). I also have a cousin who lives in Cincy and has heard many Buckeye fans and media personalities express various levels of skepticism. It's not just this board...
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
Colt Brennan and Timmy Chang
Colt Brennan and Timmy Chang were both excellent college Quarterbacks. Not every QB suceeds there - look at this year. Just because neither Brennan nor Chang had NFL upside doesn't mean they weren't effective, or good, in the context of their offense. It's like arguing that Chris Perry or Anthony Thomas were shitty college players because their pro careers have sucked.
Thank you.
The "context of their offense" was kind of what I was alluding to.
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
Fine. Terrelle Pryor was
Fine. Terrelle Pryor was excellent within the context of his offense this year. There is no way of avoiding this conclusion. It doesn't matter if a casual fan, playing "expert" thinks his passes wobble - he completed more than 60% of them for a high YPA. There aren't style points or anything.
I was merely trying to point
I was merely trying to point out that you have to take other variables into account when forming an opinion/evaluation.
I used Colt Brennen while playing devil's advocate during a Heisman argument against Tim Tebow. If it's all stats, Brennen wins hands down. (Of course, I would pick Tebow for my team any day.) That's when everyone chimes in with "It's not just stats...look at how Tebow does this...look at how Tebow handles that...etc.". But sure enough, anyone who isn't impressed with Pryor (yet) gets an encyclopedia's worth of stats thrown in his face and that's supposed to settle it. Remember, statistically speaking, 2008 OSU had less offensive production than Henne's 2004 UM team--that's including a 13th game.
There are two factions on this board: those who are convinced TP is the second coming, and those who are waiting to be impressed. I happen to fall in the latter. Don't get me wrong, TP is a tremendous athlete with undeniable talent. I'm just not that crazy about his QB-ing...yet.
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
I am a third faction
So take that.
Pryor isn't Jesus, but he was impressive last year.
Yeah
After re-reading I did make it sound kind of stark. Most people do tend to lean one way or the other, though. I've seen/had this argument so many times on here I can't even invest emotion into it anymore.
And since that's the only reply I get from Magnus, I'll assume my point was articulated appropriately and sleep better tonight. ;]
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
There are two factions on
There are two factions on this board: those who are convinced TP is the second coming
As mentioned, this is a straw-man. I'm perfectly willing to admit that Pryor may never play at a Heisman level (I don't know how good he'll be). I merely think that the frequent assertions that he should become a Wide Receiver, or start running the Wildcat or some shit ignores the fact that he was pretty good last year.
Oh.
I don't by any means think he should switch positions. I'm actually curious to see how he does at QB. Especially since M wanted him so bad.
I didn't account for the "Position-Switchers'" Camp. I guess that blows my two faction theory away--unless they are some unsanctioned splinter group of the unbelievers...
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
Also (and I know I'm
Also (and I know I'm nit-picking), there is ample statistical evidence to support Tebow in 2007 being a vastly superior QB to Brennan without talking about OMG intagibles.
His passer efficiency was 20 points higher, and his YPA was a yard higher. He ran got 600+ yards (Brennan was negative) and ran for 13 TD's.
True
My devil's advocate platform was built on the fact that Brennen broke like 10 all-time NCAA records that year to counter Tebow's 20-20 year.
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
Terrelle Pryor
wasn't going up against a WAC defense every Saturday.
You're supporting my point.
It's not just stats. As simple as that.
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
Right
what really matters are what your co-worker, phantom media personalities and people from Cincy think.
Not actual results produced on the field.
But you just discounted
But you just discounted Brennen's stats. You will go round and round with this logic.
BTW the random peoples' opinions were in response to the homerism comment, not a definitive evaluation of TP's abilities.
Read the whole thread.
It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
--The Clash
I discounted Brennan's stats
I discounted Brennan's stats because they're a largely irrelevant comparison. Brennan played in a conference that, as down as the Big Ten is, is still Charmin Soft compared to a schedule of newly-neutered Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State and USC.
That's like me throwing up Brennan's stats as a junior and comparing him to the Tebow Child's as a junior, and saying that since Brennan's stats > Tebow's, and because various faceless Florida "media personalities" think Tebow smells funny and that Brennan is an upstanding guy, and because my co-worker who takes really long bathroom breaks and comes back checking his slacks for white spots thinks Tebow underperformed, Brennan is clearly the superior quarterback despite getting gangbanged by Georgia defensive ends to end his career.
No one is basing their opinion of Pryor on simply "stats". They're looking at his overall performance. I don't care if he lobbed some passes, and looked terrible playing injured in the Fiesta Bowl. He's a true freshman; inconsistency and flat-out bad play come with the territory. Fact is, he went 8-2 as a freshman. As stated above, he was the best true freshman quarterback of the last five years statistically. What the hell else are we supposed to say? He's not good because he didn't single-handedly beat USC or Penn State? He's not good because he had one vaguely bad game against Texas?
They should because TP is not very good under certre. That is the best way to use his talent.