One Last Blind Stab In The Dark Comment Count

Brian

rich-rodriguez_p1 Jim-Harbaugh goat

Let's make a deal.

Saturday Michigan takes on Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl and Sunday something may or may not happen involving the throttling of an infant Denard Robinson in his cradle and the tears and lamentation that may or may not result. That would hypothetically also mean the reign of terror Greg Robinson's hair and the zombie minion that goes by the name of Greg Robinson would be over. The city of Ann Arbor emerging from its cocoon of upper middle class ennui to shoot AK47s in the air would at least partially offset the tragic, still hypothetical loss of baby Denard. I have taken too long on this bit.

Two days later Jim Harbaugh and his Stanford Cardinal take on Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. After he may or may not be destined for Michigan or the 49ers or the moon. The latest from Harbaugh is reminiscent of one Brian Kelly last year:

"I only talk about the job I have now," Harbaugh said when asked if he or his representatives had spoken to the 49ers about their coaching vacancy.

He acknowledged having a "dual focus"—

WHHHAAAA?

--on his team, which will play Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl on Monday, and on his daughter, Katherine, who was born just before Christmas.

Aw, come on, Harbaugh.

So what's going to happen? I still don't know. No one does. Last time on this show I said I didn't have anything solid and probably wouldn't because of the nature of the "search" but that the mystical aura wasn't looking so hot:

I'm not inclined to put much in the widespread chatter that had RR out the door after the OSU game and seems to be continuing since its sourcing seems to be pissed-off-you-guys folk clearly unhappy with the state of the program taking small interactions and interpreting them as they desire. However, the vibe I'm getting from other people who seem to be on the fence about what to do—or at least close to it—also makes it seem unlikely Rodriguez is back. Emphasis on all the qualifying words in the previous sentence, please. I've got nothing solid because no one does.

I also said that Brady Hoke would be named Michigan's coach over my dead body and the last semblance of sanity in the universe but that wasn't based on inside information. It was more a "has everybody gone CRAZY!?!" moment, and if the threat of Hoke didn't linger in the air I'd apologize for it. As it is I'm on the battlements with an axe* waiting to behead anyone who pops up and says "my name is Buh—." Bill Parcells is duly warned.

With less that a week left before the month of limbo is over, I haven't received anything that pushes my opinion much one way or the other. To reiterate, that's:

  1. There is a nonzero chance Rodriguez is fired, otherwise there would have been an announcement.
  2. Schools do not start coaching searches on January 2nd.
  3. There's only one guy out there that could plausibly be socked away or all but in time for Michigan to have a reasonable finish in recruiting and could justify yet more chaos in a program that is pointed in the right direction, even if vaguely.

So it's Rodriguez or Harbaugh and we'll probably know the day after the Orange Bowl. With all due respect to people who would argue otherwise, it makes no sense to fire Rodriguez in January if you do not have a coach lined up immediately. Since the list of people other than Harbaugh who Michigan could install within a week reads "Buh—[blood theatrically spraying from neck]" your alternatives are between rushing someone through without pause for consideration—which worked out so well last time—or dragging the search almost up to Signing Day, leaving your recruiting class a smoking crater and possibly dooming the next guy, who will forever be Not Jim Harbaugh, to repeat the cycle.

I have heard some things that push me more towards Harbaugh:

  • Some connected guys at Cal email that Tedford is aiming to poach Harbaugh's OL coach since he has "agreed to go elsewhere already" as of the 17th of December. Caveat: the Cal rumor mill bears no animus towards Rodriguez but would love to see Harbaugh anywhere but Stanford, so as things get passed down the chain they get more certain.
  • A player who split his career between RR/Carr years tells an emailer that Harbaugh will be installed on the fifth. Caveat: why the hell would some former player know?
  • An emailer who reports things second hand but has been reliable in the past suggests that Mary Sue Coleman isn't a big fan of Rodriguez, which isn't much of anything to go on but just adds to the pile.
  • Media people I talk to generally say the best thing is probably to give him one more year but that they don't expect he'll get it. Also not much of anything but vibe.

The only thing pointing the other way is the generally sunny disposition coming from within Schembechler Hall, but with recruits the coaches are saying they've got no idea what's going on but if they're still around after the bowl they'll still be around forever, or something to that effect. That's a hard sale right there.

If I was 55-45 Harbaugh a month ago I'm 65-35 Harbaugh now. I wish I could be more certain and wouldn't make the decision I think is likely if I was king of the world, but that's life. We'll know soon enough.

AWFUL BONUS: If there is a change you can go start the Denard transfer watch at DEFCON 2, since Robinson knows what he is—the Big Ten offensive player of the year as a sophomore at quarterback—and where he fits. How screwed up is a program that manages to get both Ryan Mallett and Denard Robinson to transfer away from certain starting QB jobs in the course of three years?

This hasn't happened yet. Breathe. I am talking to myself mostly.

*(To avoid a Tucker Carlson moment let me clarify: I am not going to cut Brady Hoke or anyone's head off with an axe.)

Comments

blue note

December 30th, 2010 at 6:11 PM ^

Closest I can think of is Mitch Mustain transferred from Arkansas after going 8-0 as a starter (not quite all-american, I know).

The thing that gets me is that as great as Denard is as a spread qb, why couldn't he be an even better rb in a traditional offense? Isn't that his future in the pros anyway? Seems like the obvious answer to me.

blue note

December 31st, 2010 at 1:26 AM ^

He carried the ball 20/game this year, and he took a ton of knockdowns and huge hits on his 250 pass attempts. I can't see how that is better for his frame than pass protection.

He doesn't have the build to be an every down, John Clay type tailback, but there are a lot of great tailbacks who are 5'10 190.

D.C. Dave

December 30th, 2010 at 5:03 PM ^

I personally think RichRod is gone only if Harbaugh wants the job and I think that is the right move. If Harbaugh says no, Rodriguez is back with certain stipulations, though in looking at our schedule and the little guys RR recruits, I don't see him doing better than 7-5 next year. We were so far from winning the five games we lost, really, not even competitive, that we aren't going to jump up and win those games next year. Wisconsin, Nebraska, Ohio State -- they will steamroll our small, speedy defense.

I really like Rodriguez as an OC, but he runs a system built for the Big East or ACC, not the Big Ten, SEC or Pac-10. My reasoning? It's a turnover-prone offense (his WVU and M teams have led their respective conferences in turnovers for five straight years), his defensive approach struggles against power teams, and his offense is so tricky to run that you're constantly in the position of suffering a dip whenever the starting QB leaves. True, a dropoff is inevitable when any offense sees a change at QB, but it is more pronounced with the spread because of the type of offense it is. Look at Florida: Tebow leaves and Brantley might be talented, but their offense looked horrible this season. Ohio State changes QBs and it doesn't even matter. Of course, they play defense, and not with little fast guys. Look at LSU: Their offense has been average or worse, their QBs are sporadic, but Les Miles recruits defense and they average 8 or 9 wins a year, even with the down years. Sometimes, they win 10-12 games.

With a more traditional pro set or I-formation approach, the offense is not so totally reliant on the QB. You can spread the risk, bring the player along slowly and the winning from year to year is more consistent. There is a reason Tressel's buttoned-down style wins -- it can be tailored to use the more experienced players more often until the QB grows up. There is a reason teams that run the spread are so up and down -- the QB is the whole offense, far more than in other offenses. They build for that one great season, then suffer a huge drop when new personnel comes in. You see it with every team that runs it. We don't want that at Michigan. It cannot consistently win.

My fear is more that we won't get Harbaugh, we'll go 7-5 or 6-6 next year and we've then lost another year to get the team straightened out. I am not too impressed by the 7 teams we beat this year. We had 5 quality teams on our schedule and they all manhandled us. That's not happening if Harbaugh is the coach. Our defense will get better immediately and our offense won't get our QB killed.

Denard is not going anywhere. He'll do great in any offense and, given that he did not make it through a single complete game this year, he'll see the wisdom of remaining healthy, using his teammates more, building a power running attack with Hopkins and winning a lot of games. He would love Harbaugh, who will help him become a complete quarterback and prepare him for the pros. This guy is a great recruiter and the NFL resume makes a difference with these kids.

I'm for Michigan no matter what, and that means supporting Dave Brandon. If he thinks a change is the best long-term move for the program, it's his job to think about the long-term. The sky is not falling if he pays RR $2.5 million and sends him on his way. RR will get hired somewhere else and Michigan will be far better equipped to compete in the Big Ten than we are now. The nonconference inflated 4-0 record means nothing to me. If we can't win in the Big Ten, nothing else matters. So let's recognize that RR has a gift for his style of offense, but also recognize its limits.

BRCE

December 30th, 2010 at 5:17 PM ^

I really take issue with Brian's post. He is convinced of this idea that you don't start a coaching search in January idea and that means it will be Harbaugh or Rodriguez just because that's what he wants it to be.

Cooper was fired January 2. His replacement was hired January 15. Many names were floated publicly in those 13 days. Goshdarnit, that's what I call a search.

That worked out for them, by the way.

 

AnthonyThomas

December 30th, 2010 at 6:43 PM ^

I don't think the transition under Harbaugh will be as rough as the transition from Carr to RR. Instilling a spread offense with the style of players we had back in 2008 is nearly impossible. Ryan Mallet or Steven Threet are never going to be very effective in spread formations, but Denard/Tate/Devin can all develop into great pro-style QB's. Offensive recruiting will change slightly, simply because some players (i.e. Dee Hart) want to play in spread heavy offenses. But Dee Hart would be a great running back in a pro-style offense as well. JH also won't have the number of tight ends that would be optimal for his offense, but he knows how to recruit them, and he'll already have Kevin Koger. But it's not as if recruits only consider either spread-heavy offenses or pro-style offenses, in most cases. I think we put too much weight on the style of offense RR runs and how it effects subtleties in recruting and within the games themselves.

Defensively, we obviously are young, but I don't think most of us can really quite grasp how young we really are and how dificult it is for guys like Avery and Vinopal to step in. Yet, they've been effective. Those guys have the potential to be great and the fact that people seem to think they're any where near their ceiling is laughable. JH would have to bring in a few more D-linemen than we have now, but again, he knows how to recruit. There isn't going to be an empty depth chart as long as there isn't a mass exodus, and those who stay will be more prepared size wise and experience wise than they were this season.

That being said, I want RR to get at least another year. It'll be a damn near travesty for the fan base to basically force out a coach after, in reallity, only two seasons with a team. I go to other blogs and see people comment on how they hope Mississippi State murders UM just so RR is fired. Those people are pathetic excuses for humans, let alone "fans", and to think there is an audible minority that is of that opinion is cringe-worthy.

I hope RR is retained. It's beginning to look more and more like he won't be, though. When JH is announced on Jan. 5th, if that's the case, then I'll be excited for the last month of recruiting and the spring to come. Godspeed to him and I hope we return to where we once were. RR will become a head coach somewhere else, and I'll take solace for how he's been treated by many fans by having a new team to root for in all games that don't involve Michigan as the opponent.

3rdGenerationBlue

December 30th, 2010 at 7:11 PM ^

that we are debating whether Rich Rodriguez or Jim Harbaugh will coach Michigan next year. Hopefully we can all agree that either will have more success the next year three years than the past three. While I wouldn't be thrilled if Brady Hoke snagged the job I'm less thrilled with Brian's "over my dead body" comments. If you have any inside contacts in the athletic department you know that BH is very well liked.

DustomaticGXC

December 30th, 2010 at 7:45 PM ^

that Rich Rod's offense isn't suited for the Big Ten, SEC, or Pac-10.  Particularly considering the champions of two of those three conferences this year run offenses that are variants of Rich Rod's scheme.

 

Also, I don't think his defensive scheme struggles against power so much as his current defensive personnel struggles against power. 

Woody Austin

December 30th, 2010 at 7:50 PM ^

With the sound of music

to my ears that Brian is 65-35 Harbaugh...YAY!

Three years ago we should have hired Miles. Instead...major embarrassment.

I PRAYYYYYY to GAWD UM can't screw this up a second time.

The technicolor dreamcoat is ready, Jim. Come home. It's time. We NEED you. There can be no greater triumph than restoring YOUR Michigan to its former greatness after the hatchet job done on it the last three years.

And if Denard Robinson chooses to transfer? Onto the trash heap with him--and the rest of the guys who just don't love Michigan enough. AMIRIGHT? I mean, we only talk about players who want to play for MICHIGAN, AMIRIGHT?

davelewis21

December 30th, 2010 at 8:01 PM ^

How lucky are we to have Brian as the voice of reason.  I do not want another 3 years of rebuilding, hoping against hope that RR stays on. 

The thought of Denard wearing a different jersey makes my stomach ache

Here's hoping for a big win on New Year's Day

Bluestreak

December 30th, 2010 at 9:02 PM ^

I realize that our program is in deep shit - one way or another.

 

If RR stays - the rumors will continue unless he has a B10 conference win next year.

If JH comes - he'll need 3 years of rebuilding

 

Top it up with the losing recruiting battles and players transferring - we are in a hole.

 

Maybe I am just being overly pessimistic but just what I feel.

 

Genuine Question - Can we have Co-head coaches? RR for the Offensive Side; JH for the defensive side

Bluestreak

December 30th, 2010 at 11:28 PM ^

.. he was supposed to get TP + had Mallet (before he transferred)

What's to say that won't happen. The perfect storm is not too far.

When I say 3 years - I say that keeping in mind that there won't be a coaching change for at least 3 years after the hire whether he succeeds or not.

He will still have to cope with a young defense (beware of the secondary hating Michigan God) undergoing yet another change in scheme and an offense which will have to buy into the B10 power running game philosophy.

RB - We have a stable of good backs - but none which can plough over B10 defenses (maybe Hopkins) but others are shifty runners looking for the holes. Dee enrolling is a question mark.

Again my view may be very naive - but I can't imagine this transition being smooth as butter ala Carr in '97 and don't see JH building a NC winning team in 2 years.

mgofootball

December 30th, 2010 at 9:37 PM ^

Well... it looks like we have come to the end of the dark tunnel and it looks to be darker.  My wife and I were in Zingerman's Deli yesterday around 11:30 when I spotted Brady Hoke.  I walked up when he was leaving and congratulated him on his bowl win and asked what he was doing in Ann Arbor.  He said "just visiting friends for the New Year".  I do not buy it at all.  I guess I wasn't that good this year if this is what Santa thinks is the present I wanted for Xmas.

Dewnya

December 30th, 2010 at 9:45 PM ^

If anyone was in Columbus this year ... You would know that Rich Rod is the Enemy... He needs to be GONE FAR FAR AWAY

Jimmy is the man I think we all know this...the only problem is does Jimmy wanna be the man? Ahhhh please oh please Jimmy we NEED you... :)

Brady isn't as bad as everyone thinks as a second choice....if he brings back Ron English as Def. Cord. it might not be a bad dual...I mean let's not forget 2006

Eye of the Tiger

December 30th, 2010 at 9:47 PM ^

...got it backwards, Brian.  As time goes on, the emotional rationale for firing RR (i.e. frustration after the OSU and Wisc losses) gets thinner, while Harbaugh now has: 1) another enticing job option (the 49ers) and 2) Andrew Luck coming back for 2011.  

To me that strengthens the case for bringing back RR and weakens the appeal of Michigan for Harbaugh right now.  

sun1

December 30th, 2010 at 10:29 PM ^

This is my 4th ever post on this board, I've been a reader for awhile.  This is a great blog, many of you are solid contributors and I thank you for that.

I've been watching Michigan football since my childhood in A2, going back about 25 years.  The first game I attended in person was a 20-17 win over Iowa in 1986, avenging our only loss from the 10-1-1 season the year before. My Dad brought me to that game, I was 8 years-old at the time and Jim Harbaugh was the starting QB.  I was a UM undergrad student in 1997, I vividly remember Charles Woodson's punt return TD against OSU and not caring about the taste of Tom Goss's pepper spray after the game.  Maybe it's bias or the way I was raised, but from 1986 until 2010, when I walked into the stadium or turned on the TV for any Michigan game, I always thought we had an excellent chance to win.  Always.  Hell, I was 100% certain that Tate was going to lead an insane 4th quarter comeback against Iowa this season, and screamed my head off in the stadium even after the stands had thinned out by a third.  But heading into this season's final two games against Wisconsin and OSU, for the first time in my life, I felt we had no chance to win.  That feeling disturbed me.  I cheered like hell the way I always do, because frankly I don't know how else to behave.  But the loss of hope stung me almost as much as the results of the games.

You can call me a "blue hair" (I'm not that old) or a "townie" (guilty as charged), and that's fine.  There are many people just like me who would love to see JH coaching at Michigan not only because we remember the successes of the past, but because we think he would restore lost confidence and bring RESULTS.  Personal attacks on Rodriguez have no place in this debate.  He gets paid $2.5 million to do a job.  Many of us "old school" types simply think Harbaugh would do it better.

ST3

December 30th, 2010 at 11:00 PM ^

Why do you think Harbaugh would do a better job? I'm older school than you, having watched my first UofM game in '76. I remember Bo winning with a smash-mouth running game and tough as nails defense. The RichRod running game is beautiful to watch. The defense has struggled, but only a fool would blame that on RR and not the "decimated defense."

What shows that JH is a defensive mastermind? He even attributes his team's improvement this year to getting a new defensive coordinator, from his brother.  It's worth pointing out that in Stanford's ONE game against a current top-25 BCS team this year, Stanford gave up 52 points.

Why Harbaugh? Why do you "think Harbaugh would do it better?" JH will go to his first BCS bowl this year. Rich Rod's been to two already. Is JH's track record better than RR's? I don't think so. Be patient. Please. Greatness is just around the corner.

sun1

December 31st, 2010 at 12:22 AM ^

I think a lot of people assume that the typical JH supporter is an old "3 yards and a cloud of dust" curmudgeon who hands out Werther's original and has hated RR from the get go.  I am neither, but I call myself "old school" to make things nice and neat for everyone.

In the end, we can both cite rational reasons and statistics to support each side, and this is done ad nauseum in CC threads on this site each day.  I do not enjoy criticizing UM and won't do it here.  My reasons are both rational and irrational-- I remember when Michigan football seemingly never had seasons like 2008 and 2009, and what it was like to walk into every game thinking we would win.  Harbaugh is a link to that past and a damn successful coach.  Like I said, it's probably irrational, but so is the belief that RR is "the greatest coaching talent of our generation and will unquestionably lead us to dominance" when convincing empirical evidence for that claim does not exist, in the form of wins and losses over the past 3 years.