One Last Blind Stab In The Dark Comment Count

Brian

rich-rodriguez_p1 Jim-Harbaugh goat

Let's make a deal.

Saturday Michigan takes on Mississippi State in the Gator Bowl and Sunday something may or may not happen involving the throttling of an infant Denard Robinson in his cradle and the tears and lamentation that may or may not result. That would hypothetically also mean the reign of terror Greg Robinson's hair and the zombie minion that goes by the name of Greg Robinson would be over. The city of Ann Arbor emerging from its cocoon of upper middle class ennui to shoot AK47s in the air would at least partially offset the tragic, still hypothetical loss of baby Denard. I have taken too long on this bit.

Two days later Jim Harbaugh and his Stanford Cardinal take on Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. After he may or may not be destined for Michigan or the 49ers or the moon. The latest from Harbaugh is reminiscent of one Brian Kelly last year:

"I only talk about the job I have now," Harbaugh said when asked if he or his representatives had spoken to the 49ers about their coaching vacancy.

He acknowledged having a "dual focus"—

WHHHAAAA?

--on his team, which will play Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl on Monday, and on his daughter, Katherine, who was born just before Christmas.

Aw, come on, Harbaugh.

So what's going to happen? I still don't know. No one does. Last time on this show I said I didn't have anything solid and probably wouldn't because of the nature of the "search" but that the mystical aura wasn't looking so hot:

I'm not inclined to put much in the widespread chatter that had RR out the door after the OSU game and seems to be continuing since its sourcing seems to be pissed-off-you-guys folk clearly unhappy with the state of the program taking small interactions and interpreting them as they desire. However, the vibe I'm getting from other people who seem to be on the fence about what to do—or at least close to it—also makes it seem unlikely Rodriguez is back. Emphasis on all the qualifying words in the previous sentence, please. I've got nothing solid because no one does.

I also said that Brady Hoke would be named Michigan's coach over my dead body and the last semblance of sanity in the universe but that wasn't based on inside information. It was more a "has everybody gone CRAZY!?!" moment, and if the threat of Hoke didn't linger in the air I'd apologize for it. As it is I'm on the battlements with an axe* waiting to behead anyone who pops up and says "my name is Buh—." Bill Parcells is duly warned.

With less that a week left before the month of limbo is over, I haven't received anything that pushes my opinion much one way or the other. To reiterate, that's:

  1. There is a nonzero chance Rodriguez is fired, otherwise there would have been an announcement.
  2. Schools do not start coaching searches on January 2nd.
  3. There's only one guy out there that could plausibly be socked away or all but in time for Michigan to have a reasonable finish in recruiting and could justify yet more chaos in a program that is pointed in the right direction, even if vaguely.

So it's Rodriguez or Harbaugh and we'll probably know the day after the Orange Bowl. With all due respect to people who would argue otherwise, it makes no sense to fire Rodriguez in January if you do not have a coach lined up immediately. Since the list of people other than Harbaugh who Michigan could install within a week reads "Buh—[blood theatrically spraying from neck]" your alternatives are between rushing someone through without pause for consideration—which worked out so well last time—or dragging the search almost up to Signing Day, leaving your recruiting class a smoking crater and possibly dooming the next guy, who will forever be Not Jim Harbaugh, to repeat the cycle.

I have heard some things that push me more towards Harbaugh:

  • Some connected guys at Cal email that Tedford is aiming to poach Harbaugh's OL coach since he has "agreed to go elsewhere already" as of the 17th of December. Caveat: the Cal rumor mill bears no animus towards Rodriguez but would love to see Harbaugh anywhere but Stanford, so as things get passed down the chain they get more certain.
  • A player who split his career between RR/Carr years tells an emailer that Harbaugh will be installed on the fifth. Caveat: why the hell would some former player know?
  • An emailer who reports things second hand but has been reliable in the past suggests that Mary Sue Coleman isn't a big fan of Rodriguez, which isn't much of anything to go on but just adds to the pile.
  • Media people I talk to generally say the best thing is probably to give him one more year but that they don't expect he'll get it. Also not much of anything but vibe.

The only thing pointing the other way is the generally sunny disposition coming from within Schembechler Hall, but with recruits the coaches are saying they've got no idea what's going on but if they're still around after the bowl they'll still be around forever, or something to that effect. That's a hard sale right there.

If I was 55-45 Harbaugh a month ago I'm 65-35 Harbaugh now. I wish I could be more certain and wouldn't make the decision I think is likely if I was king of the world, but that's life. We'll know soon enough.

AWFUL BONUS: If there is a change you can go start the Denard transfer watch at DEFCON 2, since Robinson knows what he is—the Big Ten offensive player of the year as a sophomore at quarterback—and where he fits. How screwed up is a program that manages to get both Ryan Mallett and Denard Robinson to transfer away from certain starting QB jobs in the course of three years?

This hasn't happened yet. Breathe. I am talking to myself mostly.

*(To avoid a Tucker Carlson moment let me clarify: I am not going to cut Brady Hoke or anyone's head off with an axe.)

Comments

jmblue

December 30th, 2010 at 5:43 PM ^

You can argue that it woulkd be unfair to RR to fire him after three years, but that's not Brandon's main concern here.  It can't be.  His main concern has to be the well-being of the Michigan program.  The problem we've reached here is that given the way the last three years have gone, there is simply no way, if we retain RR, that we can avoid another year of "RR on the hot seat" rumors.  There is nothing Brandon can say or do to alleviate the major concerns on the part of the fanbase.  The only way for RR to dispel it all is to win big next season, but we'll have to wait until at least October for signs of that - a hot September won't convince anyone.  So we're basically looking at a minimum of 10 months of negative publicity if he's retained.  It may be unfair to him, but that's the reality.  The alternative is just say, "It's not worth it," and hire another coach, who will enjoy a honeymoon that will ensure a full Big House in 2011.    

Section 1

December 30th, 2010 at 5:55 PM ^

...there is simply no way, if we retain RR, that we can avoid another year of "RR on the hot seat" rumors.  There is nothing Brandon can say or do to alleviate the major concerns on the part of the fanbase.

So rumors, and media-driven fanbase opinions, are what could drive Rich Rodriguez out of Ann Arbor.  What you say is despicable.  Problem is, you might turn out to be right.

robpollard

December 30th, 2010 at 4:35 PM ^

There are just levels of instability.  Look at many big programs over the last two years: ND, Florida, Miami, WVU, USC, Tenn, etc - all have had coaches leave, some after poor seasons, some for other reasons.

Coaches do well enough to get contract extensions (a la Randy Shannon, "Hey, we're on the way up, and our coach will be here a long time! Come on in recruits!") and then get fired the very next year (see Randy Shannon).

You can count the stable coaches on literally one hand (e.g., Tressell) and some of them (e.g., Saban) while they are a long way from getting fired, they certainly could leave if a better opportunity arose (e.g., the NFL).

The only stability we would get from Harbaugh is one year, maybe two. If he has 8 wins or less next year, he'll have exactly one more year before the wolves will be baying at his door. Plus, he definitely has NFL aspirations - if he does well, who's to say he's not NFL bound in 2 years (thus creating more "stability" problems)?

CFB is now a year-to-year business.  Giving RR one more year is not that much different for the stability of the program than hiring Harbaugh b/c both need to win big quickly, or they are out. 

Sgt. Wolverine

December 30th, 2010 at 2:12 PM ^

that Brandon's decision not to announce until January is the result of a super-secret deal with MGoBlog to increase speculation, thereby increasing the site's traffic.  I refuse to believe there could be any other explanation.

Blog blog blog blog blog blog blog, it's all your fault, it's all your fault...

mGrowOld

December 30th, 2010 at 2:55 PM ^

Im on vacation in London anqd logged on to see if there was any Bowl news and got treated to Brians post on the front page. So now im going to be sad....mad and worried as hell on my flight back New Years day. I hope we win 85 to 0 so if what Brian wrote is true DB has a very hard time explaining his decision.

biakabutuka ex…

December 30th, 2010 at 2:13 PM ^

I'll tell you one thing: if Harbaugh comes I'm sure as hell glad that we have Junior Tate Forcier and not Junior Nick Sheridan to bridge the transition.

But I wonder, why would Coleman not like RichRod, a down to earth, personable guy, yet somehow think she'll like the much more arrogant Harbaugh?

swamyblue

December 30th, 2010 at 3:52 PM ^

Every so often, someone from within the Admin. takes a stab at Mary Sue.  Don't ask why...it just happens on occasion...This year it's the "Mary doesn't like RR".  Hilarious, Bizarre, & Ridiculous all at the same time! 

Remember, we're dealing with humans and with that comes drama, baggage, ego, and most of all personal agendas.  Long live the robots!   Can't wait till they take hold!

jmblue

December 30th, 2010 at 5:59 PM ^

But I wonder, why would Coleman not like RichRod, a down to earth, personable guy, yet somehow think she'll like the much more arrogant Harbaugh?

Because in reality, neither man is the two-dimensional figure you're making them out to be.  A lot of people at Stanford absolutely adore Harbaugh.  And quite a few people strongly dislike RR.  For such a "down to earth, personable guy," he sure has made a lot of enemies. 

TBG

December 30th, 2010 at 2:15 PM ^

At this moment there is an enormous outbreak of CC: posts on MGoBoard.  The only think that will make it complete is if we can start getting a flight tracker going.  Someone.  Get on that.  Right now.

Section 1

December 30th, 2010 at 2:17 PM ^

 

  • Some connected guys at Cal email that Tedford is aiming to poach Harbaugh's OL coach since he has "agreed to go elsewhere already" as of the 17th of December. Caveat: the Cal rumor mill bears no animus towards Rodriguez but would love to see Harbaugh anywhere but Stanford, so as things get passed down the chain they get more certain.

    It's not exactly a mystery that Harbaugh is going to get an offer he can't refuse.  And "go elsewhwere."  It might not be a trip to Michigan.  It might the 49ers, the Panthers... etc.  Kudos to Brian for the needed caveat.  Add my caveat to the caveat list.

     

  • A player who split his career between RR/Carr years tells an emailer that Harbaugh will be installed on the fifth. Caveat: why the hell would some former player know?

    Maybe the same player who slapped his wallet down to back up a never-made bet with Michael Wilbon that Rodriguez would be fired last year?  Kudos to Brian for the obvious; why would an ex-player know?

     

  • An emailer who reports things second hand but has been reliable in the past suggests that Mary Sue Coleman isn't a big fan of Rodriguez, which isn't much of anything to go on but just adds to the pile.

    Yes, Brian.  "Not much to go on."  As for "the pile," I won't suggest what sort of pile it might be.

     

  • Media people I talk to generally say the best thing is probably to give him one more year but that they don't expect he'll get it. Also not much of anything but vibe.

    So, as well-connected as Brian Cook is, he doesn't know.  Brian doesn't kow any media people who know.  I expect that Brian's tastes in "media people" are discerning, as are his tastes in blog content.  Brian probably knows that there are flocks of "media people" who have written off Rich Rodriguez, who give hm no chance of returning and who believe that he was and is a "bad fit" at Michigan, whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.  Those particular flocks of media people no doubt have barely a fraction of the knowledge and information that Brian Cook has.  But what they have, that Brian Cook doesn't have, is, like, a newspaper, or a radio show, or a tv show.  Brian is apparently talking to a better class of media people, which is not at all surprising to me.  And there's nothing but "vibe."

    There's this, in the end.  The loss of Rich Rodriguez completely messes up what is likely to be the best -- or at least the most promising -- offense in college football in 2011.  It is the pure credit of Rodriguez.  All underclassmen, all recruited by him, all throroughly coached by him, under his scheme.  As, uh, Michael Rosenberg said, after the Notre Dame game, "This is how it was supposed to be."

    TennBlue

    December 30th, 2010 at 2:38 PM ^

    is to replace Rodriguez.  If he continues to struggle, Harbaugh will still be available.  If the program takes off, Harbaugh is unnecessary.

    Harbaugh is certainly an excellent coach, but he is a significant flight risk to the NFL.  We may get a couple good years (after the program crashes again and has to be rebuilt), but Harbaugh is likely to be gone after that. 

    If we stick with Rodriguez but the program continues to struggle and by then Harbaugh is off to the NFL, we're not out anything.  We're in the same boat as if we had dumped Rodriguez for Harbaugh, who then bailed for the NFL.

    Bottom line is that Harbaugh gives no indication that he is a long-term college coach - he's a temporary solution at best.  We have a better chance for long-term success with Rodriguez than with anybody else.  Harbaugh does not appear to be sufficiently better than Rodriguez to be worth the risk, IMO.

    jg2112

    December 30th, 2010 at 2:51 PM ^

    Where did Jim Harbaugh go to college again? You really think he'll up and leave if he's treated like a god returning home, and wins like he probably expects to?

    I don't know many guys who voluntarily leave their alma mater when they are the head football coach.

    Oh wait, I know of at least one.

    I Wrote a 4 Wo…

    December 30th, 2010 at 3:09 PM ^

    Haha bitter at all?

    Oh wait, I know of at least one.

    What a dumb statement. I'm not saying you yourself are dumb, but give me a break. I'm not going to look to see if anyone responds to what I'm putting here because I really don't care and it won't be worth any headaches, but that statement isn't fair.

    That's all. 

    Section 1

    December 30th, 2010 at 3:32 PM ^

    when they get offered a better job.  Like Rich Rodriguez was.  Bo Schembechler thought Texas A&M might be a better job for a brief moment.

    If Jim Harbaugh comes to Michigan and gets treated as badly as Rich Rodriguez has been treated, I'd suspect that Jim Harbaugh might quickly think that "the Chicago Bears" might be a better job.

    pullin4blue

    December 30th, 2010 at 4:44 PM ^

    Any rational and thinking person would agree that RR should be allowed to graduate a class. For god's sake, look what we gave Tommy Amaker!!! There will be plenty of people who will treat JH like a god.....all those vocal folks who have been beating the anti-RR drum. Think of any talk radio host. I won't listen to Jeff DeFran on WTKA any more because he is one of the biggest haters. I am just trying to think of a way to pay him back for all of his "support" of Michigan athletics. Boycott the station? Then I would lose Sam. Boycott his sponsors? They are the same sponsors for Sam and Jeff. Any good ideas out there?  

    Kilgore Trout

    December 30th, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^

    All in all, I think it's a tough call.  I don't think Rodriguez handled things well when he got here in relation to style of play and utilizing what was here (yes, I've read Brian's opinion on this, and I disagree).    Given what we know now, I think Bill Martin made a mistake in hiring Rich Rodriguez in December of 2007.  That doesn't necessarily mean that it would be a mistake to keep him now.  I don't think what happened in '08 matters at this point.  In my mind, this decision comes down to only one thing.  What will be better for UM football as a whole going forward.

    When it comes to x's and o's, it's probably a wash between Harbaugh and Rodriguez.  Both have been successful, both have pretty significant questions.  All reports are that Rodriguez is a good guy and cares for his players and that's a good thing.  The biggest difference is in perception in my mind.  Perception matters in recruiting and it matters in donations, two of the biggest lifebloods of a major football program.  This is where the clear advantage goes to Harbaugh.  For that reason, I think Harbaugh is the right move (assuming it's possible) for Michigan football at this point.  I think Rodriguez can still succeed here, but it's a long tough road, and I have lost significant confidence that it will happen.

    erik_t

    December 30th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^

     

    Of course it must be kept in mind that being wildly successful at one program does not guarantee wild success elsewhere. "Look at what he did at Stanford" cannot be considered a terribly watertight argument by someone wishing to dump RRod, about whom it could certainly be said "look at what he did at WfVU".

     

    Not trying to put words in your mouth.

    Section 1

    December 30th, 2010 at 3:55 PM ^

    "Given what we know now, I think Bill Martin made a mistake in hiring Rich Rodriguez in December of 2007." 

    Guh.  The other choices in 2007:

    B.  Les Miles (or was he A.?)

    C.  Greg Schiano

    D.  Brian Kelly

    E.  None of the above.

    Or, are you suggesting that Bill Martin should have anticipated that Jim Harbaugh would lead Stanford to an 11-1 season in 2010, and instantly become the hottest chick in the class?

    Mi Sooner

    December 30th, 2010 at 4:33 PM ^

    I blame Sailor Bill for where we are today. That coaching search will be a case study on how NOT to do it. I don't think that anyone would have done a better job under those circumstances than RR has done. The hire by Sailor Bill seemed to be pointed at pissing off people rather than bringing us behind his eventual choice. RR never stood a chance. Also Sailor Bill should have at least interviewed JH the last time even if that interview was nothing more than a courtesy interview. Maybe Sailor Bill learns something.

    Section 1

    December 30th, 2010 at 5:51 PM ^

    The "Sailor Bill" epithet is really ignorant, for a guy who transformed much or our athletic campus on-time and on-budget.

    You blame Bill Martin for what?  Not "bringing us behind his eventual choice"?  And that he should have done, what, a "courtesy interview" with Jim Harbaugh?  Just because, like, yeah?

    Just tell us who you think Martin should have hired in 2007, and why, based on 2007 information.

    Mi Sooner

    December 31st, 2010 at 9:24 AM ^

    He hired but the "how" he hired someone. And he earned the nickname Sailor Bill because of the botched hiring process. As I have stated before. If I want a building built the FIRST person I call is Bill Martin. If I need a AD, he isn't on my call list. He should have been the CFO in charge of building renovation.

    Kilgore Trout

    December 31st, 2010 at 12:32 AM ^

    So you're essentially telling me that I can't say something doesn't work unless I know what should have been done to make it work?  That is dumb.  I know that the hard drive on my first ipod didn't work after a year and a half, but I don't know what Apple's engineers could have done to make it last longer. I just know that it made a constant clicking sound and didn't play any music. 

    Wolverine Convert

    December 30th, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^

    Rich Rod has busted his ass since he has been here and has had nothing but road blocks thrown at him from the media and the "old guard". The cupboard WAS bare when he showed up (Our current roster shows zero 5th year seniors and few major contributors leaving this year).

    Michigan needs to do the honorable thing and let him complete his contract. Everyone knows that our offense is awesome and our defense needs a lot of work, but next year a lof of Big Ten schools lose key players and we won't.

    If we get rid of Rich Rod now it will be like swimming 3/4 across the lake and turning back because you don't think you can make it - dumb. Next years schedule lines up great for a run at being in the first Big Ten Championship and beyond.

    If Harbaugh becomes the coach I will support him and expect him to be successful - but will we always wonder if he was just able to do it with Rich Rod's team? If he has great success here in a few years he will be gone to the NFL and we will start over. I like the program we are building now.

    If Rich Rod is gone, he will land on his feet somewhere and probably come back to haunt us some day - I don't want that to happen.

    Looking forward to this soap opera to be over.

    Go Blue!

    Fuzzy Dunlop

    December 30th, 2010 at 2:28 PM ^

    If he has great success here in a few years he will be gone to the NFL and we will start over.

    I disagree with a number of things in your post, but this makes absolutely no sense and you need to be called out on it.

    If Harbaugh wants to go to the NFL, he can do it RIGHT NOW.  If that is his goal, he would never accept the Michigan job in the first place.  If he accepts the Michigan job, its because that is his dream job.  There is absolutely no logical reason to suspect that he would come to Michigan and then leap to the NFL ina few years.

    Fuzzy Dunlop

    December 30th, 2010 at 4:23 PM ^

    Except that
     

    numerous coaches have done just

     

    Name one coach who turned down a pro job to coach at a new college, only to turn around and go to a pro team 3 or 4 years later.  Name one.

    Assuming Harbaugh would be willing to give up his NFL dreams just to coach at Michigan is a pretty good stretch, in my own opinion.

    THEN WHY WOULD HE TAKE THE MICHIGAN JOB INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE NFL RIGHT NOW?  Ignoring the logical hole in your argument is not effective when trying to persuade someone.

    Mi Sooner

    December 31st, 2010 at 11:28 AM ^

    Also, he was the last Lions coach with a winning record.  Goes to show you what Millen knew about football.

     

    Also he too would have retired from Meechigan, if it weren't for the incident ata  restaurant inSouthfield that doesn't exist anymore.

    Fuzzy Dunlop

    December 30th, 2010 at 9:33 PM ^

    Umm, by definition, if there is an opening in the NFL it is at a crappy destination.  Coaches aren't fired from championship caliber teams!  What, you think in three years Bellichek will retire and they'll hand the Patriots to Harbaugh?

    Second, there's a thing in the NFL called "parity".  Bad teams become decent pretty quickly.  San Francisco certainly does not have a lack of talent, and was favored to win their division this year -- there's no reason they can't be a very good team next year.  Carolina has two solid runningbacks and wouldn't have been nearly as bad with a half-decent QB, which they'll have next year -- one Harbaugh is pretty familiar with.