It has been suggested in earlier posts that we should stop referring to Sparty as Little Brother. I say it is too late; that it has been woven into the rivalry fabric forever. I have tried to recall similar insults involving us or any of our rivals that have faded over the years but nothing comes to mind.
Ok to continue Little Brother chatter?
that is all.
We should do a poll. Little brother in or out??
We can't depend on Bobby Williams/JLS teams anymore, so probably moot anyway.
For me it is definitely still in. I will call it quits when it stops bothering them.
I don't think it does.
And then we find a new way to bother them. I have alot of family that went to MSU and I give them shit constantly. I just hope we can pull one out this year in E. Lansing so I don't have to listen to another year of the crap.
How about beating them?
No I guess that's just the same old way to bother them.
Let's keep doing that then.
I say as long as it bothers them so much, let's go with it. And it does bother them.
MSU beats Michigan 1 year out of 8 and all hell breaks loose. I'm so tired of hearing that Dicktonio is whipping our butt in recruiting, and Michigan is on the way down.
Let's make sure Sparty knows where they stand in the whole scheme of things... as our little bro. Always has been, always will be.
it's played out
UM was founded in 1817; MSU in 1855. This to me argues strongly against shared parentage.
If Sparty prefers, I'd be fine with relabeling them "Little Adoptive Grand Niece" or "Parvenu Daughter-in-law."
If we're going to be realistic, the actual university was founded in 1837 and the seal reflected this until the 20's.
The change to 1817 was made when it was discovered that a previous institution, the University of Michigania founded by Augustus Woodward in Detroit, had been granted the seal in 1817. So it was changed to reflect the date the seal went into effect. In truth, the original University of Michigan ceased to exist as all but a legal entity from 1827-1837.
complicate my joke.
Yeah, but this kind of thing is true for just about every university. They all choose the oldest possible date for their seals. Michigan Agricultural College was chartered in 1855, for instance, but would not hold its first classes until about a decade later (and it would not be called Michigan State University until 1955).
Tis true. But I like e-facts... and this is never really addressed in the commonly held narrative of University history which goes "Founded in Detroit, moved to Ann Arbor", when the fact is the people who founded the university in Ann Arbor had no idea a university had even existed in Detroit.
My understanding (from what I can remember from my History of U-M class I took several years ago) is that the institution founded in Detroit wasn't even a university at all, just a public school. Apparently, "university" could refer to almost any kind of school back then. The 1837 institution was the first actual university (in the modern sense of the word) in Michigan.
(For current students: History of U-M is a really interesting course. I definitely recommend it.)
There was both a higher education and a secondary education school operating as the University of Michigan, but the barriers between the two were ill defined. It was an experiment destined for failure.
Honest to god, Brodie, I really had no idea you were this intelligent.
a Catholepistemiad of Michigania t-shirt?
Nice work. Didn't you have the reference to Hemingway and Bowdlerize a couple days ago? I suspect William F. Buckley is smiling somewhere.
my posts and tweets are all ghost-written by Bill Safire.
Can we throw in "O$U", "fOSU", and "tOSU"? I want to keep Minne$ota though. That one isn't played out enough yet.
Although I haven't been using those..ever.
The hate for our greatest rival burns strong.
Uh, don't they use tOSU? I've heard about at least one person who went to THE Ohio State University when questioned.
i thought we pretty much agreed that tOSU was acceptable. i mean they call themselves THE ohio state university and it distinguishes between them and oregon/oklahoma state (not that either of those schools come up nearly as often as tOSU)
I've said this once before, and I'll say it again. I don't consider them family, and am disappointed we refer to them as little brother. Strange kid on the block maybe.
retort to the Walmart Wolverine comment. Then again, considering the bar is very low to get into Michigans Secondbest University, maybe some of these guys did go there.
I have a question for you all. I'm new to this board. What the hell gets you negative points and who decides that?????
Once, or if ever you make it to 20 points, you get to +/- comments. My guess is your comments came off like spam, which is why in another thread I said state your cause in the diaries so everyone will look at them there. You should have that ability even without 20 points.
Normally spam would be banhammered, but your cause was good, so we just let it go hoping you'd see my note to post it in a diary. Hopefully you see my note this time.
I am not that!!!!!
First time I've ever seen an online diary. Will give it a spin.
Not sure what the difference between sticking it in my sig will do but I'll try that too. May I add that (a) You KNOW the cause is righteous. EVERY one of you knows this! (b) A little spam every now and then doesn't hurt your diet as long as its cooked right. You start getting fat with a lot of it. (Yet another one I couldn't resist. Hey, I've been dead for nearly 100 years, the heck do you want!!!)
When F.A. and the other guys at Varsity Blue were still over there they ran an article about this cause!
I doubt any of you all can check this site out and say that this spam isn't a little bit tasty!
Those with 20+ points have the ability to vote a post up or down. I believe the reason for your negative votes has been suggested to you in other posts. In particular, your cause may be righteous (I don't think anyone disputes that), but your currently implementation is pretty much spam. To reiterate other suggestions for you, put a link in your signature, and maybe make a diary about your cause. More than likely, it will be better received that way. Here's a point to get you on your way.
[Edit: Or just read what formerly wrote.]
Stupid posts get you negative points. See FAQ under Useful Stuff.
personally I like little brother. I think its funny and a relitvely clever nickname seeing how it is unique to our rivalry with Michigan State. I have never heard of this nickname associated with another instate rivalry of similar dynamic. Plus, MSU fans seem to be bothered by this notion which makes it even more interesting.
Cal fans used to derisively call UCLA "little brother". That made a lot more sense.
Stupid concept. There is no relation between the 2 universities or programs.
also...labelling sucks. Let them have their fun with their little immature "scUM" and "Wallmartwolverine" etc.
Its all Bullshit and the proof will be on the field.
You forgot TheES's other favorite: Yellow Bellies.
I couldn't agree more, Tom.
Without the "Little Brother" moniker, how are we going tell them to get the heck back in their room and shut the f#$% up after we slap them around the basement this October???? The context just isn't the same.
shouldn't the expected outcome be to "slap them around the basement this October"? I successfully tie my shoes each and every morning, but somehow refrain from slapping the image of myself in the mirror a high-five. I'm all for good natured ribbing, but to feel the need to resort to this after the worst UM season in my lifetime, is exhibiting the characteristics we have saddled MSU fans with for years.
...regarding other reasons to use Little Brother.
Your point is made but yet countered by the foolishness of those who win one game in their rivalry matchup in eight years but then feel the need to post billboards all over I-96. Very little brother-esque. Much like when my real little brother beat me at Atari for the first time in four years and then went to school and told all his friends.
They've earned the moniker.
can only encourage them,no? I guess I just prefer the Ferber Method
errrrr.........which I taught in 1889 at old University Hall.
Although I appreciate your psych reference, I'd prefer to make my own diagnosis..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex
MSU gave us the arrogant asses label LONG before the little brother label was even thought up. Sparty has been running that one into the ground since the beginning of time.
I never minded the little brother nickname for them. It always ticked them off. It's also pretty accurate seeing they would have to beat us 38 years in row just to tie up the series.
We all know that there is an academic pecking order in this state and that the reality is, most who go to State either didn't get in to Michigan or didn't apply to Michigan because they knew they wouldn't get in (yes farmers and vets are the exception). Its not arrogance, its reality. The same is true in MANY other states (The Berkley, UCLA comparison is nearly identical, Berkley is the better school although UCLA is still very strong, unlike State which US News & World Report gave the worst ranking of the 11 Big Ten universities). UNC and NC State work the same way (both with academics and sports).
That's what we used to chant in ~2000. I don't know if it is still around, but my guess is that that is the attitude that little brother comes from.
Yeah, the past couple of years while I was an undergrad, we used an iteration that was almost exactly the same:
"If you can't get into college, go to State."
I'm all for keeping the moniker Little Brother. It suits their whiny, complaining temperament quite well, and will continue to do so for the forseeable future.
There 4146 colleges and universities in the United States. Michigan State is number 76. Come the fuck on.
...or any of the other derisive names for various schools. That is what rivalries are all about: talking trash and hoping "your" team puts its money where your mouth is on the field.
It gets tiresome sometimes, and sometimes people get carried away; but it is, for the most part, good, clean fun.
And it certainly beats the fuck out of "down in front."
I was just laughing. I thought it was funny. They got excited. It's good. Sometimes you get your little brother excited when you're playing basketball and you let him get the lead. Then you come back and take it from him.
I referred to them as little brothers because I had heard them say in different clips, 'We're not Michigan's little brother,' so I was just saying what they had been saying.
Lest anyone forget, the original quote referred to Michigan's 2007 comeback against MSU. UM was down by 10 halfway through the 4th, went on to win 28-24, and extended MSU's losing streak to 6 games. We've made a lot more out of the "Little Brother" comment than it's original context, which was a single game in which UM gave them the lead only to take it back. It's not a statement about the quality of their school, their academics, or even the history of the rivalry.
I'm glad someone finally pointed out what you did. It has never been a "nickname" for them at all, and was never used or said until Hart went Brain AWOL and forgot that he was a senior who would leave that remark behind for other UM teams to either back up or eat. So far: EAT. Yeah, it sent Dantonio into the Prozac aisle at a local pharmacy (after they let him out of the straight jacket), but MAN talk about giving the other side something to pin up on the wall for years to come. In other words, there's no fucking history behind it and it is retarded.
And talk about givning stupid Michigan fans something to walk around saying or posting all the time even when it needs to be put on mothballs at least until Rodriguez beats Dantonio a couple times to reassert UM's dominance in this rivalry.
No, people used it before then. It just wasn't a huge internet meme until that game.
In Hart's defense, our players have talked shit after victories in rivalry games all the time. Woodson did it after every OSU game. Better after than before, I suppose.