I'm happy for the advantage, but that call is crap. Hopefully it triggers the NCAA to look at the rule a little more closely next year.
How is that ejection "crap?" He threw the elbow with intent. I don't think Douglass was doing anything other defenders don't do. The elbow came up, he meant to catch the kid in the neck or face, so he should be tossed. Read: Manny Harris earlier in the year. In Manny's case it was unintentional, not out of frustration, and generally reasonable except the guy was up in his face.
Bye Oglesby. The only issue I have with it is the guy was sucking it up so I kinda hoped he'd stick around.
what do you mean crap? that was obviously an intentional foul. the NCAA doesn't want angry kids hitting each other. the penalty was maybe too harsh, but what else should the refs do?
There are many ways to get away from a guy who's holding your jersey. Elbowing him in the chops isn't one of them. He's lucky it's not an auto-suspension. Completely legit ejection.
Hey, it burned us twice this season (one time legitimately, it can be said). It's just coming back for us now; and this is a great time to have some good karma.
He waited for the back screen to be set up then wound up and threw an elbow to the head. Completely understandable ejection.
It may be a "crap" penalty - that is open for debate depending on intent and damage - but it was the right call.
Finally an elbow that helps us!!
The first few times I saw it I actually thought he shouldn't have been ejected. Watching it again when they came back from commercial and it was clear he brought the elbow up, pulled it back and aimed straight for the head. Absolutely the right call.
I don't think the intentional foul call was bad, but the ejection seems a bit much. Anyone that has played basketball has certainly done as much as what Oglesby did, especially when being held while trying to cut.
i don't know about that. have you thrown elbows at peoples' faces out of frustration?
Just my wife...but I was drunk so that doesn't count?
not really. like the other brian said, there are many ways to get someone to let go of your jersey without getting ejected.
that's what happened with Manny. If you recklessly swing an elbow with contact and it's ruled an intentional foul, then it's an automatic ejection.
Or at least that's how I understood it.
Being as Oglesby was sucking very very hard at doing the one thing he's out on the court to do and normally does very well, I'm not convinced Clemson actually missed him.
But still. Legit ejection. Jay Bilas is probably going to scream at the TV when he sees it. Or not.
that fuck deserved it.
M was obviously in his head-- and he only had 1 FG. I wanted him to stay in.
i wanted him to stay in too, he wasnt doing crap on offense
Dude, it seems like it's been forever since I've seen the kung fu chimp...
I thought it was definitely an intentional foul, but I wouldn't have ejected him. I think ejections need to be reserved for really over-the-top stuff.
Why was it just an intentional foul as opposed to a flagrant like they gave Manny? I understand that there was ultimately no difference. I am a football guy and only played organized bball for fun, not out of passion. I don't know the rules that well, so what is the difference then?
...and had no clue what happened until my buddy who was watching at home texted me and told me about the play. I turned to the guy next to me to ask him if he'd seen it and he said he thought it was a shove.
Now that I've heard all about it, does anyone know if there's video of the play yet on the web? I'm not sure if ESPN will show that as a highlight later on (not sure if they want to highlight a play perpetrated by what sounds like a thug)
Anyhow, GO BLUE!!!!
not crap. he had to lean into stu to get that elbow on his noggin. totally flagrant
It was a soft and harmless elbow, but rules are rules.
I mean, you could call it "crap" in that the even that precipitated it was an uncalled foul on Douglass, and you can also argue that it was "harsh", but it was strictly following the rules: elbowing someone in the head is illegal, and Oglesby elbowed somebody in the head. I understand, personally, why the NCAA throws people out for this without considering intent - having kids get hit in the face with elbows is an unequivocably bad thing - maybe if it's punished harshly, they'll be careful.
Oglesby comments on the ejection:
"I was coming off a screen. I didn't even think about it; I just reacted, I hit him and I caught him with my elbow," said Oglesby, his orange warm-up jersey raised over his head. Oglesby was slumped forward, his emotions becoming audible in a deathly quiet locker room.
"It was the most embarrassing sequence I've ever been a part of," said Oglesby, who couldn't hold back the tears anymore. "I lost my head. I was coming off a screen and I caught him pretty good."
"I embarrassed my team. I embarrassed my coach. I embarrassed my family. I wish I could go back. You know I'm not that type of kid," Oglesby said. "I was sitting back here praying they would make a comeback and hoping they would. I'm sorry."
He does sound pretty apologetic. Good for him, I say. Easier to say when you've won, I suppose.
On an unrelated note, does anyone besides me think Oglesby is a big-time candidate for the Reggie Cleveland All-Stars?