Dantonio OWNS MICHIGAN!!!!!!!!!
Nick Hill to MSU
I wouldnt say that. William Campbell last year was the state's top recruit. I'd have to say that Devin Gardner isnt too shabby this year either. Also if Michigan picks up Dior Mathis and Austin White I'd have to continue to disagree with the comment. Is MSU improving on the state? Yes. I think that's more of a product ofRich Rodriguez building out of state pipelines grabbng JT Turner out of OH and D Robinson, Marvin Robinson in FL.
Wait...were you being sarcastic?
Yes he was.
"Chelsea High School running back Nick Hill, considered one of the top high school prospects in the state of Michigan for the class of 2010, will play his college football at Michigan State, Chelsea High coach Brad Bush said today.
Hill rushed for 2,090 yards and 24 touchdowns in 2008 and was named The Ann Arbor News' Player of the Year. He has rushed for 4,700 yards in his three-year varsity career.
Rivals.com ranks Hill the No. 10 all-purpose back in the country.
"They're a top academic program, they're a program on the uptick the past few years, plus Coach (Mark) Dantonio is a great guy and (so is) Coach (Dan) Enos who is recruiting me," Hill told gospartans.net on June 20"
the kid ran a 4.4, nice. Go green.
"They're a top academic program..."
Caught my eye as well. It's not a bad school, but I guess my definitions of "top", "academic", and "programs" are different than Mr. Hill.
Ah well, wish the kid the best of luck. He sounds like a good player, and I don't blame him for not wanting to wait for more offers when he found a school he was comfortable with.
Overall, I wouldn't say MSU has a "top academic program", although I will say that they have some good programs. I'm familiar with their vet and farming programs, but other than that I don't hear anything from other people and I don't care enough to look into it.
as of a few years ago their education program was the best in the country hands down. Also joseph Lulloph is one of the best saxophone teachers in the country. Their wind ensemble is very good also. I would say all around a very good music program. I applied to MSU but wasnt good enough academically to get in. oh well, im very happy at calvin college.
super random but as a retort Michigan has the best sax teacher in the country in Don Sinta. He doesn't teach jazz though.
that is false my friend. By far and way Eugene Russau is the not only the best teach but probably in the top ten for best players in the world. He teaches at Minnesota university. He formally taught at Indiana University Jacobs school of music back in its hay day of being considered the best music school in the world, yes, even better than Julliard. Not only has he performed many concertos with some of the worlds most renown orchestras and bands he also assisted in founding the World Saxophone Congress. Michigan at one point did have the best saxophone teacher in Larry Teal but he is long gone and the saxophone studio at UM hasnt been as dominant since, though without a doubt it is a fine saxophone studio.
Great AG program. I wish Nick Hill future success with his Squash and Tomatoes.
MSU is building the biggest nuclear research facility in the country. The Kinesiology program has helped many people I know, stop the bashing.
1) Nuclear Physics
3) Vet Sci
shall we keep going? perhaps we'll get past the fingers on one hand.
They have a top notch packaging program too!
This is stupid. MSU is a good school... not top but good.
On your new position as mgoblog editor.
Not to call you out in two posts in a row but 'biggest facility' doesn't mean jack if you don't have the faculty to run it. If I wanted to work on nuclear research I would rather work in a closest office at the University of Chicago then a 1/2 acre corner office at MSU just because of the co-workers I would be working with.
But to give credit where it's due, I like how the state and MSU got that facility in East Lansing. It was a great catch.
Hilarious that you have that Dantonio quote as your signature when your team just picked up a commitment from a running back who reminds so many people of Hart that the SpartanMag writers accidentally called him Hart in an article last week.
bashing I would hope. A lot of Michigan fans wanted to get him if the other options (Brennan Clay, Austin White, ect) all fell threw. Obviously, the kid doesn't want to wait on that. Good luck to him.
Also, your quote is funny, considering it's a kid who went 4-0 vs. MSU...
I think he wanted to wait until after the spring evaluation period's camps to end to see if he was going to receive any new offers before making a commitment. ND was supposed to be interested but that does not appear to be the case any longer, or at least not presently.
and btw I changed my quote, because he is very compared to Mike Hart. Anyway I am not here to M bash, I hope you guys land Clay, not sure what is up with White. From what I read, White seems like he wants to go where they will kiss his ass.
I meant compared to Mike Hart, I was going to put very close in style but someone mentioned that already.
On your first post, see the button that says "edit?" That allows you to edit your post. You don't have to reply to your own post.
This will not happen again, thanks for the heads up.
However, you cannot edit a post that has been replied to, for obvious reasons. Keep this in mind.
Don't worry I will not be trolling here, as long as the MSU bashing is kept to a minimum. Some people here seem reasonable, much like yourself. I appreciate your help. I am off to dinner, have a good evening.
Enjoy your meal.
That Dantonio quote is a bit absurd, since it was:
A) An MSU player who mocked UofM with the little brother phrase before UofM won and Hart retaliated with it back after the victory.
B) Dantonio takes little jabs when he has the chance and is the only college coach that I have ever known to talk smack to an opposing player.
literally smacked a player. OSU owns that record.
...MSU fans should not be casting stones when it comes to the topic of coaches slapping anyone:
I KEED! I KEED!
Seriously, though, wasn't there a story floating around that John L. actually slapped Lamaar Woodley during a recruiting visit? Not as a "bitch, take that" kinda way, but in an utterly failed "let's get pumped" way? I seem to recall one of the MATW guys getting that dope from LW.
I wish the young guy the best of luck.
I'm sorry we weren't able to accommodate him, but I certainly hope he's happy with his decision.
It is my educated guess that UM coaches did not offer Hill for a reason. That is not a knock on Hill, I take it he was just not a good fit for our team and/or the coaches have good reason to believe they will get someone who is a better fit.
Coming from another vertically challenged athlete, I wish Hill a good career at MSU.
He seems like a good RB.
Anyways, I am excited about the RB's that we do have. I think we will have the best RBs in the conference this year.
i did want this guy.
Ummm... Do you at least understand what's wrong with that sentence. I'm sure you did want this guy, but you wouldn't go after an MSU football player would you?....
If Brian hadn't said "Mike Hart-style back" on the board, if we'd all have cared this much.
I would rather have this guy on our team than Austin White just because he seems to love Michigan so much. I still hope we offer him and see what happens.
Although, I don't know who told him top academic program. Unless worst in the Big Ten is good?
"I would rather have this guy on our team than Austin White just because he seems to love Michigan so much. I still hope we offer him and see what happens."
Love doesn't win football games.
So you think a kid that has wanted to go to Michigan his entire life and a kid who only went to Michigan because it was the best that he could get are going to put the same effort in?
I guess you would have passed on Jamie Morris too huh?
I'll take "Anecdotal Evidence" for $1000, Alex.
If by that you mean you want a source... and I quoth
"Son, I don't know if you're big enough to handle a Big Ten season. Look at you! But I hear you can stop on a dime, and all the guys like you. I'll tell you what-if I've got a scholarship left over in a few weeks, I'll give it to you."
Then, dammit, I saw Jamie's eyes. Aw, fer cryin' out loud! You've never seen such a puppy-dog look... but Jamie somehow got his heart set on Michigan's winged helmet... I offered him a full scholarship right then and there, and Jamie took it.
- Bo's Lasting Lessons, page 113-114
not knowing what anecdotal evidence is.
I was being facetious. Didn't translate
This current Miami Dolphin is distinguished for his 4 years of impressive play as the starting quarterback at the University of Michigan, but is more commonly known as the guy whose freshman success is frequently lauded without an inkling of logic suggesting that it would be highly improbable for one to do so without a tremendous supporting cast.
You are right. Sucks that hometown walk-on Nick Sheridan loves Michigan more than the offer collecting prima donna Tate Forcier. Looks like Sheridan plays QB this year.
No that's not what I'm saying. Of course there are limits. If we just gave scholarships to people who loved Michigan, most of the guys on this blog would have one. In my mind there isn't that much of a difference between Austin White and Nick Hill. Sorry that I didn't say that originally. Referencing your example the dropoff from Tate to a bag of balls to Nick Sheridan is so great that at that point love for Michigan doesn't matter.
edit- and Tate obviously loves Michigan. If Sheridan loved it so much he wouldn't have played so bad last year (JOKE)
"In my mind there isn't that much of a difference between Austin White and Nick Hill. "
Unfortunately for you, no one agrees with this.
Nick Hill - 5.6, 3*, #10 APB, Faster, Shitty Offers
Austin White - 5.7, 3*, #32 RB, Bigger, Better Offers
You're right. Not similar at all.
Nick Hill's offers:
MSU, Stanford, EMU, CMU, Kent State, Toldeo
Austin White's offers:
Alabama, Illinois, Iowa, LSU, Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Wisconsin
I'll give you a guess which one has the consensus support of the coaches in NCAA football.
Also, do you know Austin White? I wonder how you gauge his "love" of any University?
Also, if you look at their number grades on Rivals, White is ranked higher. He's the highest a 3 star can be without getting a 4th. Hill is middle of the pack.
If you look at my post you'll see that I included the rivals rating and I know and acknowledge that White has better offers, but thanks for the info. Also, Bama hasn't offered according to rivals.
It's not so much that I think White doesn't love Michigan, but are you seriously going to argue that it's more than Hill does?
I don't think you understand what my position actually is: I am realistic enough to know that you can't win the NC taking chances with guys like Nick Hill all the time, but at the same time I'm romantic enough to want one or two guys every once in a while who hold Michigan above all others. see also: bluebloodedfan's post
are you seriously going to argue that it's more than Hill does?
Do you know Nick Hill? I don't. I have no fucking clue what their relative love of Michigan is. But I'm going to GUESS that a kid who commits to MSU 7 months before signing day doesn't bleed Maize and Blue.
If a middling recruit expresses his die hard love of all things Michigan, that recruit doesn't have an offer and, in fact, is fishing for one from Michigan. there are two possibilities:
1) he camps, earns an offer and is solid or,
2) he camps, does NOT earn an offer and immediately commits to State... or Duke or something.
in any case, "I love Michigan" translates to, "I'll commit to State if Michigan doesn't want me."
Do you follow recruiting? Its pretty obvious I don't know, everywhere, that Michigan was Hill's #1 and he would commit before RichRod finished his sentence offering him a scholarship.
Hill went to Michigan's camp trying to get an offer, didn't get one, maybe he thought that was his last chance to get it. Maybe he thought by committing to State it would force RichRod to show his hand and offer him i.e. leverage. Maybe Dantonio said "This offer expires in one week" a la Mack Brown. Maybe he thought "what the fuck. I'll commit to State and if Michigan offers later I'll go there. Otherwise, I'm in the same place I would be if they don't offer."
But your right I don't know him, but please keep using that argument. I'll help you out. NO, I don't know Kim Jong Il. NO, I don't know Barack Obama. So, based on your argument, I have no idea what those guys are all about. After all, all I know is the shit they say and do.
You know that your position is week when you need to erect strawmen like crazy, use your mind-meld with Nick Hill and Austin White, and throw out hypothetical after hypothetical. The reason is because hypotheticals are the only thing that back your case - not facts.
I have no doubt that Michigan was Nick Hill's first choice - he wouldn't have lobbied so hard for an offer if it wasn't. What I am saying is that is he was as obsessed with UM as you seem to want us to think, he probably would have held out some, given that he has 7 months to make a decision instead of committing to an in-state rival.
None of this denigrates Nick Hill at all - he got an offer from a good football program - the best one he's gotten. Congratulations to him.
Unless Nick Hill found out that MSU was only planning on bringing a couple of RB's on board this recruiting year and realized that if he doesn't commit now and Michigan never offers he's going to be stuck playing for Grand Valley.
So Nick was wise to decide now to ride the bench for a 6-6 team instead of waiting for an offer that'll never come from future champions Michigan....even if U of M was his destination of choice.
Because two things have similarities it means they are similar. Got it. Do you evaluate girls this way too?
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the state of being similar; likeness; resemblance.
2. an aspect, trait, or feature like or resembling another or another's: a similarity of diction.
A Crown Victoria and a Ferrari both have V8 engines. They are similar!
I agree with you Shock. Kids I suppose RR must know something that we don't about Austin White though. I mean, don't get me wrong I like the kid, I just sorta had a soft spot for Nick because he loved the block M.
worst in the Big Ten, you still get a Big Ten education. Whatever else it may be, it is one giant fuckshow of competition. "Welcome to your class of thousands"... then they throw you off the boat, and it's sink or swim buddy. Scramble over your peers to the top and piss on the graves of their ambition.
Which helps when you first enter the work environment, and have to snatch that next promotion away from the veteran workers
I stand corrected. I was going off U.S. News and World Report which had them ranked #71 and for some reason I thought it was out of 120 schools, but its out of all schools. Better than I thought, thanks for teaching me something.
Just made people miss and when he got in the open field he was gone. Seemed like he would fit perfectly in RR's spread. Still July and if White or some other options don't work then RR can give Hill an offer and possibly pull him away from State.
Austin White is the better rated player. Haven't watched tape on either guy so I wouldn't know. I do hear Hill is an excellent player, so I wish him luck at MSU. I just hope we kill them every year.
V. Smith, Teric Jones, Fitzie (maybe to big for description), Tony Drake. Austin White, Clay, and Clements are all bigger and I hope we land one of the three. I would really like them to shock the world and get Lattimore but.....
relax! "Another beer dear"
aaaaand cue a replay of the "Dantonio has locked down the state of Michigan" refrain.
I know that not everybody thought he was worth an offer, but I'm still disappointed there wasn't room for him.
Hill would have been one of those guys who a lot of people in Ann Arbor wanted to see do good because he was local, and "local kid makes good" is always a heart-warming story.
He may prove to be a bona fide elite prospect and he may not. He does seem to be a typical MSU instate recruit to me, though: someone they can feel good about who wouldn't sniff an offer from a school like, for example, Florida.
I don't think it's that "he wasn't worth an offer", really. I think it became clear to him that he was a back-up plan if White fell through (the staff hasn't been shy about the fact that White is their preferred RB target in this class). If White goes elsewhere, I'm sure Hill will get a call.
RRod has been firing out offers to a bunch of recruits, yet this kid doesn't get one. Either they question the talent level or the fit for the offense. I refuse to beleive size is a big issuue, considering some of the other kids we have recruited and signed.
meh, hopefully we will get white.
Scout posted this article:
I think this kid wants to be wearing the maize and blue.
Hill to MSU doesn't bother me really. Good luck to him.
he still thinks that it's a competition to see who can get more instate players, instead of actually, you know, score more points than your opponent.
rich rod can't get every player you have to expect msu to get a couple here and there
Hill wasn't offered....seems RR didn't want him, or has other, better options.