we are so thin at QB. once sheridan gets the nod cause of threet injury we have close to 0% chance of winning. why can't we fast forward to next year? and is david cone THAT bad? i mean seriously, how much worse can he be than sheridan? and is carlos still hurt?
nicholas sheridan & what not
how much of a kick to the balls does it have to be for cone? basically we would rather lose by multiple touchdowns then play you.
The fact that Cone is on scholarship, yet apparently can't outperform Sheridan (who seriously looks like an intermural player thrown in there) is mind-boggling. That is going down alongside the long snapper recruit as one of Lloyd's weirdest scholarship offers ever.
For that matter, it's really hard to understand how Threet, for all his inconsistency, didn't run away with the QB position in fall camp. He's clearly the only D-I level QB we have.
Cone wasn't supposed to be bad.
He just is.
maybe he has exceptional hearing and an amazing ability to communicate plays via hand signals.
It concerns me that our coaching staff really believed that Sheridan was the better QB. Furthermore, it took several games to figure it out. Threet was clearly better from the begining. The coaching staff wasted time trying to develop Sheridan into a starting QB instead of just teaching the system to the more talented QB. I am all for position battles but Sheridan does not have the arm strength to make the passes necessary to run a D1 offense. It was foolish to think that throwing accurate bubble screens would compensate for lack of arm strength.
This seems to be happening with the kick returners too. Can't we just pick a few guys and stick with them? Obviously we can't have people fumbling kickoffs but we shouldn't have guys returning them from the endzone after they just muffed the kick either. I am sorry but that comes down to coaching.
To end this on a positive note I will say that the offense looked better today against PSU, atleast when Threet was healthy. I thought the coaches had an excellent game plan. If Threet can play I think we will have a good chance of beating MSU.
Great post, I agree 100%.
His problem is he can't make good decisions. He's obviously kind of fast, but doesn't ever do the right thing. All I can think is that maybe he looked good in practice against the same defense day in and day out, but this didn't translate into an ability to react to the varying things that our opponents began to throw at him.
Um, it took the first half of the Utah game for them to decide Threet was the guy, dude.
First half of the Utah game plus all of Spring and Fall practice.
He clearly cannot throw, and I do not see any great speed. Did anyone hear the broadcasters mention that Feagin was up and getting warm? The cream rose to the top and the right team won, but it boggles my mind that the coach would put Sheridan in cold right near the endzone.
Mallett really screwed us. Not only did he screw up last season by being a jerkoff, and then transfer...We would be WAAAAAY better this year if we still had Jason Forcier, who transferred when Mallett appeared to be the next QB.
THEN Weinke decommits and heads to Iowa, screwing us further.
Raise your hand if you would like a depth chart of:
Instead of the current:
Nick Sheridan (!)
Ok... Here are the QB's we lost, that could be playing for Michigan this year...
1. Antonio Bass - Messed up his knee in a spring game or something a few years ago (SCOUT PROFILE: http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=1215893)
2. Jason Forcier - Transfered to Stanford I believe
3. Ryan Mallet - Transfered to Arkansas
and the BIGGEST POSSIBLE QB disappointment..........
TERRELLE PRYOR COMMITTING TO OHIO STATE
sheridan in, charting ceases.
On Carr. I mean they pretty much gave Mallett the second string job just for showing up. I would have left too.
I think it's a safe assumption at this point that any time Threet is pulled, it's injury-related. The ESPN sideline reporter totally whiffed on that one. He noted that Threet's helmet had been put away, but could not draw the obvious inference from that.
He was benched. What a stupid decision by RR.
Also: we need to find LBs and DBs who want to initiate contact and can tackle.
No. No. No.
If you watched Threet walk off the field after the first drive of the 2nd half, his arm was hanging, limp. If you also noticed, they had progressively stopped calling passing plays for him (those they did call fluttered on him - a problem threet generally doesn't have), and he stopped keeping it. He was clearly hurt.
OK, caup, you know this . . . how? You have a source on the medial staff?
Did you see the way he was carrying his throwing arm in the second half? Walking off the field it was always straight down. The wicked strip/sack was the last straw on the arm.
I noticed that - I thought he was carrying his arm the same way Henne was last year when his shoulder was all f'd up.
and Sheridan plays the very next series. Crazy coincidence? No. So then Sheridan proceeds to fuck up royally, of course he does! Was there ever any doubt? Jesus effing Christ. Then RR brings Threet back in. Sack. Turnover. PSU scores again and RR waves the white flag by putting Sheridan back in.
RR, please don't allow the team to disintegrate. Not now. Not yet. Not ever.
He didn't get chewed out. RR talked to him calmly, put his arm on his shoulder, and Threet sat down and took his helmet off. If you listened to the sideline reporter, Threet put himself back in later - HE went to Sheridan and said that HE was playing.
is fucking awful -you know what you are getting when he is in - we have nothing to lose at this point - if threet can't go play someone who has some kind of future in the program.
sparty looked awful against the bucks - i think UM has a shot.
no matter what happens the rest of the year - i take some solace in the fact UM ruined Wisconsin's season
I have never been more angry at a player before in my life. This is the one time that I can seriously say that I would have performed better in that situation.
if orttman would have just let the ball go past him it might have just been an incompletion. McGuffie was right next to him blocking. There would have been a receiver in the vicinity and the ball just might have made it past the LOS
Huh? It was called a safety because Sheridan's knee was down.
I thought they called it for the illegal forward pass to an ineligible receiver. Perhaps not?
Which leads me to believe it was a safety.
Sheridan had so much time to sit in the pocket and saw the rushers coming. There's no excuse as to why he didn't throw it away.
Okay, I admit I was wrong: Threet was hurt. Fuck the universe and all that.
Also, I was thinking the same thing as formerlyanon: Ortmann, if you don't catch that fucking ball it's an incomplete, McGuffie was right next to you, and we're punting. Still, though, we'd have lost that game regardless, and will lose THE REST OF OUR GAMES with Nick Sheridan as the QB. He's utterly inept.
The Chicken Theory
If we're gonna have our QB running around like a chicken with its head cut off (i.e. Sheridan). We might as well have that be a fast chicken with its head cut off (Feagin).
Seriously though, you can tell the adverse effect Sheridan coming into the game has on the team. Everybody from the O-Line to the defense plays softer because deep down they know that no matter what they do, they now have no chance to win. Sounds kinda over-pessimistic but tell me you dont see that.
I would agree with that except that you are burning his redshirt year if we do that. He wasn't going to win the game, so it would be kinda pointless to put him in. Feagin might end up being a good slot option or emergency QB and having him for 4 years would be beneficial.
We have 2 QBs that have supposed higher upsides right coming in next year. We shouldn't be saving him for one extra year of QB play with that kind of backup plan, IMO. As far as your point that "He wasn't going to win the game, so it would be kinda pointless to put him in," I could say the same thing about Sheridan. But I agree with you that Feagin won't be a QB, he'll be a slot receiver. Soo...
As far as slot, is it really that much of a necessity to save him? Other than Odoms, none of the other slot guys have produced (unless you count Koger as a slot guy). If he's going to be a slot guy, why not get him out there now and get experience? We already have 1-3 guys in the next class as slot guys. Feagin is just getting buried in a depth chart. Maybe that's where he belongs, but its my opinion why not throw him in the mix when you're struggling instead of gambling he may be good later.
Edit: I will admit being wrong if Feagin just sucks absolute balls, which me might if he has no chance of beating out Sheridan. At slot, I'm not sure who he starts over at this point. We don't appear to go to anyone other than stonum/koger in the slot much.
i missed the game cuz i was in the boonies without tv. so what exactly happened. i heard it was 17-7 then 17-14 at half then did nick sheridan happen? did threet get injured again?
I hate to ask this, but I find it morbidly fascinating: when was the last time we actually scored on a drive in which Sheridan was the QB? That last drive against Miami-Ohio? With the exception of the final possession against Toledo (when we should have scored; that wasn't Sheridan's fault), we haven't even gotten into field goal range when he's played.
Bass wasn't really a QB prospect. He played the position in HS, but everyone in college recruited him to play WR (expect MSU, which lied and claimed he could hack it as a QB). He didn't have much of an arm, and his HS passing numbers were really poor. What Lloyd wanted to do with him was put him at WR and occasionally have him take a snap, Percy Harvin-style. If he'd never gotten hurt, he'd be a senior right now (or possibly in the NFL) and presumably would be entrenched as a WR.
However, he's kind of a 5 star version of Pat White. By all accounts he was a freak athlete with a decent arm. I'd take it.
But again - he came here as a WR, and after three years in Lloyd's system, I don't think he'd have wanted to suddenly learn a new position. We probably would have been lucky just to have the guy stay here for his senior year.
Yeah, I'm not disputing any of that. I'm just saying if he stayed around I'd take it as another option.