and the youngest in the tournament. If we graduate 5 seniors and lose our sophmore and junior starters, stands to reason that we are still going to be very young.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
As ever, once the year is over thoughts turn to the future. With four of five Michigan starters on NBA radars it is impossible to predict how they'll be next year, but I sat down to write stuff and this is the thing I wanted to think about—no doubt a lot of you guys are wondering the same thing.
Along with a number of walk-ons Michigan loses scholarship players Blake McLimans and Matt Vogrich, neither of whom was a significant contributor.
As you've heard incessantly for the past three weeks when you were trying to concentrate on something like, oh I don't know, the live fantastic basketball being played in front of your face, Michigan has some gentlemen on their roster the NBA would like to talk to.
Trey Burke almost left after one year, turned himself into a top-10 pick, and has been regarded as gone-gone-gone since about two weeks into the season when it became clear he had gone from a damn good freshman to the best point guard in the country. Anything other than a departure would be a shock. Whether that's NBA draft entry or a transfer to Penn State is yet to be determined.
Tim Hardaway, Jr., is the Michigan player NBA types seem least enthused about. He doesn't feature in the first round of anyone's mock draft and seems destined for one of those 13th-man-then-billion-years-in-Europe careers. Some guy with spiky hair and a terrible track record said he was out the door, which his parents denied.
Even though Hardaway is not a first round pick at the moment, a lot of juniors end up going because they've reached the peak of their NBA attractiveness. If Hardaway makes another incremental improvement in his game, upside-thirsty pro teams will look at a senior who probably tops out as a bench shooter in the league and still pick him in the second round.
On the other hand, he's not really giving much away if he returns. I'd guess he goes, but won't be surprised either way.
Glenn Robinson III is 6'6" and can jump real high. He's also 18 months younger than Mitch McGary, which means he has not hit that Hardaway zone where people expect him to be essentially what he is forever and ever amen. He's consistently rated a pick in the teens. There's been some second-hand message board posts about various interactions that make people believe he'll stay; those are unconfirmed but credible-seeming to me.
Mitch McGary's blazing tournament put him in Hated Chad Ford's lottery. Despite that and his prep school year, he seems likeliest to stay. For one, he directly said he'd becoming back—that he didn't even "have a decision to make"—before the Final Four. Though he's backed off that a little, if he's coming from that mindset chances are he comes back. After the championship game the noises were still positive:
"This will be a great team next year, with great guys coming in and a great group of guys leaving, you can't replace those five seniors," he said. "We'll see."
"There's some unfinished business. ... We'll see next year."
Like GRIII, interactions with McGary's parents from the Final Four weekend have filtered out to the internet; they indicate he'll stay. Let's clutch that unreliable hint to our bosoms.
My personal spidey sense says Burke's out the door (surprise!) while Robinson and McGary stay. Hardaway could go either way.
Side note: there is essentially no withdrawal anymore. Technically you can take your name out of the draft until the 16th, which is before any event that might make you want to pull out. The NBA deadline is the 28th.
Last year rumors had floated around about guys leaving for weeks. Those came to fruition with three post-season transfers. This year it's quiet on that front.
Eyeballing it, the only players who may be in playing-time jams are Max Bielfeldt and Jordan Morgan. Morgan's a bit of a folk hero these days and did find a role as the tourney progressed. I'd bet he gets over the disappointment of losing his starting job and sticks around; he will get minutes. I heard from a good source midseason that Bielfeldt was a little worried about his long-term PT prospects.
Both guys may be affected by NBA decisions. GRIII or McGary leaving would open up a lot of playing time for both. Meanwhile, the high post role McGary flourished in against Syracuse may allow Michigan to go bigger at the four from time to time without making the offense suffer too badly.
You could also throw Jon Horford in amongst the playing time battlers. He seems focused on those study things to the point where he wouldn't want to disrupt his schooling by finding somewhere else to play.
Assuming Burke's departure, point guard Derrick Walton has some big shoes to fill. The good news is he's got serious game. A quick look at any of the various highlight reels out there shows a quick-step PG reminiscent of Burke. He put up over 30 points a game this high school season and is generally rated inside the top 50 at the major sites.
I like single-game highlights because they give you a better picture of a player. (This is in fact irony, people who use the word irony.) There's less to cull from so you get a better picture of what they do. In the above you get deep shooting, floaters, and at about a minute in a crossover-to-three sequence that is very Burke-like.
In his matchup with Kentucky-bound James Young it's a lot of deep shooting; it starts off with the steal I now think of as The Burke:
Walton will not be Burke, at least not sophomore Burke. If he hits freshman Burke levels of performance (74/49/35 shooting, high but not outlandish usage, 29% assist rate, TO rate just under 20) Michigan can survive Burke's loss as long as they don't get the max exodus and do get expected improvements from other players.
Indiana Mr. Basketball Zak Irvin is a 6'6" wing with a huge wingspan and advanced pull-up game. He's ranked in the same neighborhood GRIII was last year (24th ESPN, 34th Rivals, 49th Scout). Judging by highlight tapes and scouting reports…
…he is a bigger version of Tim Hardaway Jr. The buckets on many, many individual game highlight packages up on Youtube have an 80/20 split between jumpers and the rim. He'll occasionally go to the bucket; mostly he's going to shoot threes and pull up. As with most jump shooters, streakiness comes as part of the package.
He's listed between 6'6" and 6'8" and is reputed to have the sort of improbably long arms that allow you to be a defensive pest on the perimeter. With Irvin's blowout high school finish and recent camp performances…
@dandakich Michigan fans..Indiana Mr Bball and Michigan signee Zak Irvin absolutely killing at Indiana Top 60 workout!!
…he might have some upward mobility in the rankings yet. Dakich just hyped him as the Big Ten freshman of the year favorite, which says something what with Noah Vonleh at Indiana.
Irvin is not going to be a super-efficient scorer unless he adds more drive to his game, but he can bounce between the 3 and the 4 and be a plus defender at one of those spots.
Dollars to donuts Mark Donnal redshirts. At 6'8" or 6'9" he's a four or five, and those spots are jammed at the moment. When he does get on the court, think Christian Watford.
Donnal has a high skill level and three-point range; the knock on him is athleticism. If GRIII goes he would likely be forced into the lineup as a more offensive option at the 4 than either Morgan or Bielfeldt, especially in the context of the Michigan offense.
Nik Stauskas is the lone starter certain to return. His shooting percentage was mellow Kid Icarus: explosive rise, steady decline. He entered Big Ten play well over 50% and finished the year at 44%; in the final 26 games of the season (IE, Big Ten, conference tourney, NCAA run) he was at a merely respectable 36%. Details:
Michigan would like Stauskas to take some of Burke's usage and turn it into his assists. He should spend the summer running a million pick and rolls with McGary—his handle is good enough to make that effective, Darius Morris-style. Doubling his assist rate to around 15—approximately Hardaway level—is feasible and would help out Walton/Spike a lot.
Meanwhile, Stauskas's three point shooting could use some diversity. He was poor off of the dribble and Michigan could not execute catch and shoot screens for him like they did Hardaway. Getting Stauskas's efficiency (top 50 in true shooting) up to 23-25 percent usage will go a long way towards mitigating Burke's likely departure.
Is Upton-chasing, three-draining Spike Albrecht a real thing? I dunno man. In about eight minutes a game he had the lowest usage on the team. Stats are thin on the ground. We do have 18 of 33 shooting from three, 10/12 from the line, and 10/26 from two. That's about what you would expect from a little bugger with a dead-eye shot.
Unfortunately, his stature means that once teams start taking him seriously there's no way he can get the shots he was draining in the tourney with any frequency. (Other than the 30-footers. He can probably still get those.) Can he show more of the at-the-rim finishing he did against Louisville? Can he get that TO rate down to Burke levels—ie, cut it by almost half—and can he act as a bonafide point guard?
I think the answers to all these things are "not yet." Albrecht's got a tight handle and can obviously shoot; too often this year possessions featured him dribbling the air out of the ball without getting past his man or disrupting the defense, i.e. PG job one. But he'll get a shot now. At the very least he's earned a month or two of platooning with Walton until one of them shows he's the better player. I bet Albrecht provides 12-15 minutes off the bench, shoots a bunch of threes effectively, and never quite recaptures the delirious first half of the championship game.
Fellow freshman bench player Caris LeVert looked like a promising player for big swathes of the year. Emphasis on "looked." Statistically he's a bit of a wreck, with a 50/33/30 shooting line and not much else that jumps out except a low TO rate. He was supposed to be a defensive specialist, but all I can remember is that 3/4 Hancock threes came with LeVert trying to guard him. Also the whole Brust thing—not only the half-court heave but the critical OT three he hit when LeVert didn't put a hand in his face on the perimeter.
So he's got a ways to go. The good news is that he should improve a lot. Michigan will slap another 20 pounds on him, he's a freshman, kids get better, etc. He'll probably start if Hardaway goes. He doesn't have to create shots with Walton, Stauskas, and potentially High Post Mitch McGary around him; it would be nice if he took his reputation as a defensive player and lived up to it.
Leaving aside the possibility of transfers, everyone is back. Jordan Morgan lost his job late and doesn't look to be getting it back, but recovered from one minute in the opening weekend of the tourney to provide some key plays for Michigan against Kansas and Syracuse. As a senior he can expect minutes here and there spotting McGary; that will certainly include some long stretches when McGary's eagerness gets him in foul trouble.
At this point he is what he is: an agile, undersized post who finishes decently, rebounds well, and provides good positional defense without acquiring anything in the box score that represents it.
Jon Horford has a statistical profile essentially identical to Morgan except in two regards: he's a decent shotblocker and he fouls a lot more frequently. He's not an offensive factor except on putbacks and here-is-a-free-dunk-from-your-point-guard; he does have upside left since he is a big and what's more a big who keeps getting sidelined with injury. His development will be key not necessarily for this team, but for the 2014-2015 crew, when Horford is a senior, Morgan graduates, and McGary is probably in the NBA.
Max Bielfeldt got scattered minutes during Jordan Morgan's period of injury. We don't really know what he's going to be like yet; the best case scenario is one of those undersized Notre Dame forwards that inexplicably collects all of the rebounds.
In the Hardaway departure scenario, give or take five minutes here and there:
PG: Walton (25) / Spike (15)
SG: Stauskas (30) / LeVert (10)
SF: Irvin (25) / LeVert (15)
PF: GRIII (35) / Morgan (5)
C: McGary(30) / Morgan (5) / Horford (5)
If Hardaway returns hack out 30 minutes for him from Stauskas, Irvin, and LeVert. If GRIII leaves, that's interesting. I wouldn't put it past Beilein to play Irvin at the 4 for a good chunk of time. That would end up increasing the minutes of both PGs as they would have to play simultaneously with few other perimeter backup options.
What is that? It's hard to say. It's a tourney team, certainly. It's still super young. The minutes above give Michigan an average experience level of 0.95 years, better than this season's 0.73 but still very, very low. Michigan was 342nd at 0.73. 0.95 would have been good for… 329th. (That doesn't account for the fact that McGary and Spike both took postgrad years, FWIW. The experience number conflates age with system/level-of-competition familiarity.)
That collection of players could be anything from a 2 seed to an 8 depending on the Burke dropoff, how sustainable Mitch McGary's tourney run is, and how much the returning freshmen improve. Things get bubbly in the event four Michigan players are in this NBA draft.
and the youngest in the tournament. If we graduate 5 seniors and lose our sophmore and junior starters, stands to reason that we are still going to be very young.
intrigued by Caris Levert. He has good size and seems quite agile as well as showing glimpses as a shooter / scorer. I can see him just taking off and being a very pleasant surprise.
From year 2 to year 3.
Expectations should be that all four guys leave. Hardaway seems like the only tweener as far as first round vs second round and he seems as likely as Burke to be gone (i.e. 95%+).
McGary has the most variance because they'd be basing his draft on potential and five good tournament games but he and GR3 and Burke are all somewhere between the lottery and first round == gonezo.
I would be (pleasantly) shocked if any of those four come back for another season.
than 2 leave early this year.
I am curious to see how our Coaching staff handles the scholarship situation moving forward...
As of now, without any early departures (including Burke) plus our 2013 class, we are at the scholarship capacity...
However, if Burke and Tim leave (which may be a minimum at this point) we have 2 open scholarships next season, and we basically lose all of our walk-ons...
Are there any other 2013/transfer/walk-ons that could take up the seemingly imminent scholarship spots?
The next step for Spike is to be a bigger part/generator of the offense in a hwlf court set. When he was running the show, it seemed like he'd just toss over to THJr and get out of the way. That's not a complaint or anything. The back up isn't going to get the same work, and he was a freshman. But, that's the next step.
Mitch coming back would be big for the leadership. I remember people talking about how instrumental he was in getting the freshmen class thinking team.
You're absolutely right that Nik needs to work on a one-step dribble then 3-point shot.
I'm confident that we'll have the pre ankle-fold Jordan Morgan back next year.
One area where it would be great to get some improvement to offset losses elsewhere is better/tighter defense from the guards up top.
The future is bright.
He's a true center in Beilein's offense in my opinion. I think he also has 0% chance of redshirting. He's too good, and I'm against redshirting in basketball in general.
I don't see Morgan playing at all next year. Horford should get the majority of McGary's backup minutes with Donnal being third string. I know it seems odd because Morgan is a senior but with freshman LeVert starting over Vogrich Beilein has shown that he doesn't favor seniority.
I think Bielfeldt is the primary backup at the 4, not Morgan. He can stretch the floor unlike Morgan and he can presumably defend and rebound better than Irvin who may get minutes at the four.
Jordan Morgan is better than Horford and will play plenty of minutes next year.
I bet Albrecht ... never quite recaptures the delirious first half of the championship game.
That's OK. A delerious second half of the championship game would be better.
If we lose Trey (please stay), one of the biggest things I think we will need to find next year is someone that has the ability to create on the offensive side. I love Spike, but sometimes when he is in, the offense does not move as well. I think some of this is because our guys were used to standing around and wating for Trey to create something, but the point remains. Walton looks like he has a great ability to create for himself as well as others. In other highlight tapes he shows off some really nice court vision. He reminds me a lot of Trey in high school. I saw Trey play several times at Northland and their games have similarities as far as their ability to finish, shoot, distribute and be scrappy on defense. Obviously, like Ace said, Walton won't be Sophomore Trey, but somewhere near freshman Trey would be nice.
the tag "nba draft makes me forever alone" would've either been ironic or a commentary about other teams. Great year
One thing I haven't heard anyone say about THJ or GRIII yet is that (presumably) neither of them have a major financial need to leave because of their fathers' wealth. Sure they want to make their own money, but there is no rush to support their families. So if they choose, they can afford to stay an extra year and develop into more NBA ready players from day one as opposed to improving their weaknesses on the fly at the next level. I know there is a big difference between first and second round money, but it is worth it to drop a few draft spots and sacrifice some money on your rookie contract if it means you are a more productive player early in your career and can earn a solid, long-term deal on your second contract.
Not tyring to stir up anything, but can you really be sure that their fathers are still rich? IIRC, reading from somewhere, at least of of them are broke....if not both.......
Someone brought that up a few weeks ago and then someone responded to an article about THSr having like $10,000 in back-taxes or something. We all know pro-athletes can burn through money like crazy so I'd say if a pro-athlete isn't playing anymore, it's probably safer to assume they are not rich anymore
Another thing I really like about Donnal is that he has a legitimate jumpshot...
I think that having Donnal out there with the true ability to shoot the 3 ball/score outside of the paint will give us the ability to play bigger at times... I know people say Beilein doesn't like to play Morgan and McGary together at the same time because it slows down the offense and its ability to shoot the 3 from anywhere...If Donnal can actually shoot like its being reported, I wouldnt be surprised if we saw this lineup a lot.
That's some serious size....
Irvin 6'7, Caris 6'5, Morgan 6'8, Horford 6'9, and Bielfeldt 6'7 gives us some serious size off the bench too.
If Tim, Glenn, and McGary all stay.... I think we can be really, really good..
If Tim, Glenn, and McGary stay I would not be one bit surprised to be right back in the title game next year. The improvement among all four of them would almost certainly equal the difference between Burke and Walton/Albrecht.
I am just imagining having a legitimate bench scoring option in Irvin instead of just a shot in the dark at who may light it up for a game....
This may sound crazy, too, but if Tim sticks around, I wouldn't be surprised if Irvin started over Stauskas...
Irvin is really, really, really good.
Crazy to think that next year we will have Mr. Basketball of Indiana, Mr. Basketball of Ohio, and the Gatorade player of the year in Michigan.
Would be our best player.
Which is kinda nice.
So I've honestly been dreaming of Irvin being able to perform at the 4 so we could move GRIII to 3. Is it unlikely he'd be able to use his length there, or do we not want to move GRIII from a position he had for a year? I honestly would love to see him in his more natural 3 spot.
Irvin is not even close to a 4, IMO...
I agree that Robinson is much better suited for the 3, but he has a great ability to clean up garbage around the rim and to play above the rim..
Irvin scores most his points outside of the paint and is probably best suited for the 2
and develops his post defense--which I think is highly probable as this was the first time in his life he was asked to be a post defender--our team is gonna be lethal.
I think Irvin looks like he has the potential to be a delicious THJ/LeVert combination: lightning shooter with devastating length on defense. He looks like Kevin Durant in his highlights, and he'll still be a size matchup nightmare in college. I've called it before and I'm calling it again, Irvin turns out to be our best player next year. That gives our team the functional length that will make our defense thrive.
Our team may not be as good, but I don't think the Big Ten will be nearly as good next year, and I think we finish around a 4 seed again.
This is a great post and I love the final summary of minutes played. Here are my thoughts:
Final thought - Burke's loss (and Hardaway too) will be enormous. But we went to the title game with three freshmen starting and six of our ten regular players being freshmen. I'd like to think that we can take three new freshmen (two if Donnal redshirts) who are highly ranked and fit them into the team without a huge dropoff.
OSU will probably be the league favorite along with whoever loses fewer players between MSU and MIchigan. I like our chances - especially with such a great coach. We have size, experience now (despite their young age) and depth. Oh, and NBA quality talent. Go Blue.
Mark Donnal is a very interesting player in my eyes. I can see him turing into something special over time. Developing strength, endurance, hone his jump shot, ball-handling; he could be a star.
I think his ceiling could be as high as a Jon Leuer type player. He was the big man for Wisconsin from 2007-2011. 6'10''. Great post game. Great rebounder. Athletic. 3-point range with a high %. Ability to dribble the ball.
If he stays all 4 years, look out. He is my guy in this class. I love players like this, and so does John Beilein.
From what I've seen, Stauskas is supremely underrated. I could see him going for 18-20ppg next year. His inside game is going to be improved with some strength training and he won't have to share the ball with as many scorers. Don't sleep on the kid