A lot of PC talk here, I'm guessing Lloyd doesn't really want to make any headlines
The nutty Michigan coverage isn't so much about Harbaugh as it is a signal to the Big Ten that Fox wants to party.
Opening remarks: “This is a little nicer press room than I remember.”
What’s it like being at a postgame press conference? “It’s exciting. It’s exciting to be down on the field at the end of the game. I told Dave Brandon before the game, before the ceremony -- you look around that stadium, and there’s no place in the world like it. To see such a great effort, a total team effort today, a great victory over an outstanding football team was a great day.
Can you comment on the play today? “Well I agree with whatever coach Hoke says. But that was fun. I was hoping on fourth down down there that we would go for it. He sent the field goal team in and ran that fake. I thought that was a big, big play in the game. It was well executed. And there were lots of good plays -- kicking game, defense -- outstanding game. Scored a lot of points.”
Talk about the job Brady Hoke has done to get this team to a 9-2 record. “Well I think it’s remarkable. Any transition is about finding out a lot of things that you don’t know about your players, and the players finding out about the coaches. But I think, when I look at that team today, they’ve consistently played very good defense, and I think the transition offensively has been good. When you realize we’re two losses, both of which we had chances to win -- I don’t think you could ask the coaching staff and a team to do a better job than this team has done. This is just wonderful to see. I mean, you talk about every phase of the game … what I look at is the intensity with which they play. They’ve given up very few big plays this year, and here we go into the last game of the season with a lot to play for and great momentum. This team has started to believe in itself. Coming back here today, that crowd was outstanding, and they’ll be outstanding again next week.”
The fifth year seniors were players you recruited and were on the team during your last year. Did you get a chance to talk to them after the game? “Well I have run into a few of them during this season. I’ve just tried to tell them how proud of them I am, what they’ve done. They persevered. On any team your senior leadership is a critical issue, so I think it speaks to what those kids have done this year. It’s been exciting to watch them.”
Do you miss being on the sideline? “Yeah. Yeah. When you’re part of a great victory, there’s nothing like it. But I’m so happy for Brady and the staff and the players, because Michigan football is -- we’re where we want to be.”
Did you get any jabs from the Nebraska fans about the ’97 championship during your tribute? “The tribute -- and I’ve said this and it’s true, if you coach at a place like Michigan with great tradition -- and the players that played for me were outstanding players but great people and people who were unselfish who put the team first. That’s how a coach gets selected for the hall of fame. That’s certainly my case. I had great, great players and great, great people.”
(Ed: If you were wondering, the answer is no, Lloyd did not answer the question)
A lot has been said of “Michigan football.” Did today feel like Michigan football is back? “Yeah I think it was a loud statement. Great defense. I’ll tell you, that’s what I expected from a Nebraska team. They’ve always been a very very physical team, played great defense, run the football. But as I looked at this game, that’s a hard-hitting football team … it was what you want to see in a football team from the standpoint of our performance.”
Prediction for next week? “Whatever Brady says.”
[Hoke will be up shortly. Players tomorrow morning.]
A lot of PC talk here, I'm guessing Lloyd doesn't really want to make any headlines
That sounded pretty genial next to his standard press conference.
Also, Y NO TREMENDOUS LLOYD?
That would be consistent with everything he has ever done.
that picture with the menacing shaddow just behind Lloyd's shoulder is amazing.
He spontaneously combusted in a fit of rage and just left a nuclear shadow.
(Kidding aside, Nice observation)
It's John U. Bacon
John U. Bacon,he was back on the sideline yesterday.
But be careful. Guys are getting "reprimanded" for that.
Portends a big win against Ohio.
"I was hoping on fourth down down there that we would go for it."
lol... Carr that I recall would have kicked a field goal almost every time
Tremendous Presser Lloyd, Tremendous.
outstanding has replaced tremendous?
We've had Rich Rod who answered anything and everything...we've had Hoke and his pointing and coachspeak and the coordinators with their "sit down sonny boy, let me teach you a little something" answers...that we forget about what it was like when Coach Carr was coaching.
I say we should stop whining and complaining and just appreciate what Coach Carr has done for our program and university...he's not going to say anything to steal the spotlight or undermine the current head coach (whom he likes).
So what he didn't give a great presser...he rarely has. At least he's consistent.
During the video tribute more than a few people in our section mentioned how "3 & out" made it really hard to stand up & cheer for LC.
Not me, or anybody in my section, had a difficult time.
And 3&Out readers are a small minority. Heard no boos, lots of cheering, and a spontaneous standing O when they finally could replay the video tribute.
Jobs book sold over 300,000 it's first week...so 1/1000th of population. Doubt Bacon's book was close. So even accounting for the far fewer Michigan fans there are, when you adjust for that maybe 50% who even have read it buy it all, yeah, it's a blip in the fandom. If you took a poll of how many of the 114,000 hav read it, I bet it wouldn't be that many.
And, oh, yeah-
I don't think most people realize how few copies it actually takes to get on a best-seller list. This item, for example, says selling just 3,000 copies in one week can land a book on one of the lists. I've seen other estimates claiming that 5,000 copies sold in a week are enough to get on the NYT list. That gives an idea of how many copies of Bacon's book were likely sold during the one week it was in the NYT top 15.
After 5 weeks, he's sold a grand total of 30,000 copies. Or less than one third of the Big House. But in the whole world.
I don't think it's a grand influence on most people....because in the grand scheme of things, hardly anyone has read it.
or flamebait. Whether he actively advised players to leave, etc., the obvious elephant (unasked question) in the room is Lloyd did enough to help Rich in the transition.
Many people beleive he did not or are at least conflicted about it enough that it taints how they feel about Lloyd Carr.
BRCE says two things:
1) the book is on the New York Times Bestseller List
2) he (or she) is one of the many people. And rather than being down right dis-respectful (and booing), BRCE would just not cheer.
Both of these are resonable observations.
Surely the irony of silently not showing support for Lloyd Carr, rather than vocally supporting him is not lost on people?
I felt the same way. after 3 and out I have a hard time supporting Carr. Yes he did a lot of great things when he was our coach, but the things he did after being our coach help set the program back 3 years.
Regardless of 3&Out it shouldn't be hard to support the things Lloyd did on the field. 120+ wins, 5 Big 10 championships, 1 MNC. He deserves our appreciation.
then it must be worthy than he imagine.
The criticism of Lloyd Carr makes me sick. Blaming LC for Rich Rod’s failure is the biggest cop-out in sports history. It is almost as bad as giving Rich Rod credit for Brady Hoke’s success.
What did Lloyd do that was so terrible? He PAVED THE WAY for Rodriguez to come here.
You're going to criticize him for leaving his door open to his former players? Was he supposed to turn them away? If you thought coach Carr was going to hold an office in Schembechler Hall , and just brush the players he recruited out the door...You dont know coach Carr very well.
Does it take that much of a leap in logic to figure out what happened here? Why do you suppose coach Carr would facilitate Rodriguez's hire, only to change his mind after meeting with his former players. Hmmmm. Can anyone connect the dots for me? I can do it for you. It isn't hard. But it'll likely mean more if you figure it out yourselves.
I don't blame him for RR's failure, but I do blame him in part for the factionalizing of the Michigan athletic department. RR took so much shit that he didn't deserve while he was at Michigan, and Carr could have done a lot to help his successor out.
What is with your vendetta against Carr? Your comments on this thread make you seem tragically petty and insecure. It is time to move on.
I played for Michigan under Coach Carr. I have a lot of knowledge of Michigan football, the Carr program, football in general, and anything else involved in this matter.
What are you talking about? How do you know more than me? Why shouldn't we support a guy who won an astounding 9 games a year? Who maintaned a culture in which his players would never run to the media about minor training excesses, creating a media frenzy and NCAA incestigation that could only hurt the program? Whose former players love him, so much so that there are now "factions" in Michigan-Mandom? Who represtented the program with class every day that he was the coach? Who is basically everything RR can only aspire to be some day?
Get over it. You got your chance at having the coach you wanted. He was bad. You were wrong. Carr was a great - Hall of Fame - coach, and Brady Hoke, a member of his coaching tree, has righted the ship after the RR fiasco.
And to think, it only took Hoke and his crew, not Vince Lombardi.
You mention here that you played under Carr and elsewhere you posted that you played line. If people were to start thinking your statements are those of someone who wore the number 71, would that be fair or way off base? Or yes, no, maybe so?
He lost. A lot. At Michigan. The end.
To make matters worse, he was the worst PR man in Michigan coaching history, as even Bacon's rather friendly book makes clear.
I would have like Carr to vocally support RR. But maybe he saw the disaster coming, as a few of us "Carr fanbois" did.
Nice to let him have his day in the sun now the door can be closed on both regimes. Carr started strong got tired late and we slid, RR came in with a good idea but not for us and we slid hard.Both as most coaches are were stubborn and did not or could not change coordinators when needed. As a result like compound interest we were paying 60-75% then we filed chapter 7 and hired us a new sheriff. The rest is going to be like the 70s all over again. The additions of Penn State and Nebraska have been important 4 of the top 10 and when NBC runs out of cash and ND joins us giving us 5 of 10 All will bow to the Big 10. I know just let me be incredibly happy semi bourbaned up and dreaming my vision of CFB 2020. Thanks to all players especially you Mark , I work with Jim his dad , all you coaches, assistants,and you who give us this place to speak. Go Blue, Bob Ufer and Bo would be verrrrrrry proud.Thanks to all who have given of themselves Mo and your staff, Lloyd and your staff and Rich Rod and your staff
Time to place the buckeye back under covers, we have a winning record against the SEC and it will continue for the next two games after ohio.
I really hope ND never joins the Big Ten. ND can go F themselves for all I care.
Quite interesting how the press has gone back to pre-R2. Quite *lazy* in their reporting of the program.
You expect hostile questioning of a former head coach on the event of a stadium tribute to his service to the university and community, and the failure to do so is lazy?
Some of you folks live on another planet.
It's hard to be cheerful about Lloyd after 3 & Out. HOWEVA, he did bring us a national championship. And due to some tremendous bar-lowering over the past year by other storied coaches, it's not hard to be forgiving. I know he likes Brady and that might be the reason Lloyd's falling all over himself in this presser to support the new guy (and make sure everyone sees that he's supporting him), but you know what? I'm just gonna take this "whatever Brady says" attitude and consider it the best apology Lloyd can publicly make.
No questions about him losing the last four to OSU? That would seem relevant more relevant than these "hard hitting" questions. After 3 & Out, I almost wish Drew Sharp asked him a question.
Why would you ask him now about games that were played in 2004-07? If you really want to know how Carr felt after those games, you can find the archives on the school athletic site.
John U. Bacon was at the press conference, so if anyone was going to ask, it would have been him.
Bacon doesn't care about his readers, and is obviously under David Brandon's thumb, to act as a mouthpiece for Lloyd Carr. How did we not see it before?!?!
That is all.
when things were going bad. All he had to do was speak up then.
Mixed emotions about Lloyd. Glad he had his day in the Big House.
OK, so if Carr would have spoken up in defense of RR, what would have happened? Would we suddenly have played much better on defense and special teams? There is a serious logical disconnect here.
He could have at least spoken in defense of RR instead of submarining him while he was retiring. Or is that not logical to you?
There obviously is a concerted effort by Lloyd himself and a small cabal of Lloyalists who want to silence the Truth from being spoken! They read through all the threads on MGoBlog and ensure that nothing negative is spoken. Simplest explanation prevails.
Or, perhaps, people disagree with you and rather than responding to every smug, redundant thing you post they just downvote you.
Whether RR was going to be fired was the great debate of last fall / winter. It ended up that the anti-RR crowd was right when DB dropped the hammer. Then to add insult to injury, the new coach comes in and crushes every aspect of his head coaching job (recruiting, media, alumni, coordinator hiring, on field performance, etc). To add even MORE insult to injury, they have taken spread pieces and molded a hybrid that has scored MORE POINTS in conference than RR's "offensive masterpiece." In my eyes, Borges is the offensive genius for taking a less than ideal situation for his past experience and creating an offense that can drop 45 on NEBRASKA!!!!
RR was right...Michigan football was close to turning the corner. All it needed to do was hire Brady Hoke.
After watching the MSU and Iowa game, I am not ready to give Borges the "Genius" tag by any means. I do think he has done an excellent job overall, as the entire team has done an excellent job overall. I am not sure why you are so interested in seeing this years success in terms of "adding insult" to "injured" supporters of RR. Seems like people who would see it that way are the kind of people who divide the fan base. How about everyone enjoys the victory Our Beloved Heroes achieved? Kthx.
There were a few that espoused the genious of Al Borges for keeping the black shirts guessing the entire game.
Speaking of the blackshirts, one of the more humorous lines was, "Don't be so hard on the blackshirts, they're doing the best that they can. It's just too bad they aren't doing the best that Michgan does."
I should just be enjoying this (which I am), instead of getting wrapped up in this other BS.
In response to a comment, UM wasn't ready to turn the corner. The D was going to be better with the same coaching staff. These kids would've tuned out the former DC. They saw the results of three years of bad schemes. I'm as shocked as all UM fans with the turnaround of this team. The credit goes to the staff for changing the culture and the kids for believing in the change for the better. Go Blue and beat the Browneyes.
Twelve years as a HC and I don't recall Carr ever being successfully baited during a post game presser, so is anyone shocked that he deflected questions about 1997? I'm not, and I'm not surprised that he took the opportunity to key on the word "Tribute" to answer the question he really wanted to answer but nobody would ask, what the Tribute meant to him?
As for the PC presser, I'm not surprised by it and wouldn't be surprised to learn that there had been ground rules put in place. The truth has already been written and everybody that had any questions about 3&Out already knew the truth as written in the gospel according to John. There is not one question that could have been asked that wouldn't have been an affirmation. If Carr agreed with John the Bacon, afirmation. If Carr didn't agree, he would be known as a liar, thus affirmation. And if Carr chose not to answer his silence would again be known as affirmation of The Gospel.
I don't know all the facts behind the three lost years and at this point I really don't care. What I do find amusing is that annonymous voices have made allegations which have been slurped up by a certain faction, the irony of which they themselves can't fathom that there might be an ulterior movtive for those allegations.