Is The NCAA Dumber Than A Fourth Grader? Comment Count

Brian

Let's deploy the fourth-grader test on Ohio State's response to the NCAA:

The institution is very surprised and disappointed by the lack of action in this matter by then Head Football Coach Jim Tressel. His behavior in this situation is out of character for him, as he has been a man of integrity and high moral standards since his hiring as the head football coach in 2001. His lack of action in this matter appears to have been the result of indecisiveness regarding the appropriate actions to take in this specific situation in which he was placed, as opposed to a blatant disregard of NCAA legislation. … The institution will not excuse such behavior. As a result, the institution has imposed significant corrective and punitive actions upon itself and sought and received the resignation of Tressel.

This is why, possessing every scrap of information about Tressel they have today, they fiercely suspended him for two games against MAC schools, and then suspended him for five games, before finally accepting his resignation, oops wait it's actually a retirement and that 250k you owe us… yeah, nevermind. Truly the behavior of Jim Tressel was a heinous deed the university abhors. It is clear that the Ohio State University took one look at Jim Tressel's actions and said "this will not stand." We are embarrassed.

What say you, fourth graders?

lol-wut

Hmm. The fourth-graders do not seem to buy it.

Fourth graders, what do you think about the assertion that Jim Tressel's "indecisiveness" led him to email a shady "mentor" about this a dozen times, but not compliance? Or the NCAA any of the three subsequent times he had an opportunity to say "oh, right, that whole thing about tattoos some guy I know personally who has helped us out before and I spent large parts of my summer emailing people who were not my compliance department about… yeah, that"? Fourth graders, do you believe Jim Tressel is an indecisive person? 

stan-fourth-graders

No. No you do not.

The danger is that the NCAA might buy it, though, isn't it? If the NCAA buys that the problem is limited to Tressel because nine Buckeyes ticketed in loaner cars and reports that are unconfirmed but obvious from a half-dozen Buckeyes about Hookups on Tats and other things, and they aren't incensed by being duped about the Sugar Bowl, and they aren't incensed by OSU's actions against a "very successful coach in a very popular sport in a very short period of time" then they could get away with violating the most important aspect of NCAA enforcement: you are expected to police yourself.

So, NCAA: are you dumber than a fourth grader?

This is an important question to answer. Here's hoping the answer is "no," because an organization that reacts to the things Jim Tressel did in the way Ohio State did and then has the audacity to say something like this if the NCAA dares add punishment to what can't even be described as a wrist-slap…

"I'll be shocked and disappointed and on the offensive," Smith said. "Unless something new arises from where we are today, it'll be behavior (from me) you haven't witnessed."*

…you're being called out. Ohio State is daring you. They are double-dog daring you. Either send Gene Smith on the warpath and the unemployment line or establish defiant see-no-evil as the new baseline for enforcement.

*[What would that be? Contrition? A lack of wholesale delusion? The vague impression of competency.]

Excessively Defensive Section

Twitter was overrun with Buckeyes in various states of glee, denial, and smack-talking yesterday, with much of it directed at Michigan fans for their various states of butthurt, disbelief, and cynicism. These emotions are not limited to Michigan fans. It's hard to find someone who's not mocking Ohio State in the aftermath.

TSN's Dave Curtis:

As this story evolves, it’s tougher to conceive of Tressel as the only evil in that football program or athletic department. If he’s not, and the NCAA finds out, the Buckeyes will face USC-style sanctions. If he was, then Ohio State is guilty of failing to monitor its coach, and lacking institutional control by letting Tressel gain so much power.

Some concession, some spreading of the problem behind the head coach, would have marked a small first step in helping the Buckeyes win back the public. It would have helped with the NCAA, too.

The public’s only recourse is ranting and complaining. NCAA officials can punish to the point of paralyzing the program for a while. And come the fall, that’s exactly what they will do.

ESPN's Brian Bennett:

I can envision the following conversation during Ohio State's hearing before the NCAA Committee on Infractions next month.

"So, you vacated your wins from 2010?" an infractions committee member says.

"Yes," Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee says. "It was the least we could do."

"You're right," the committee member responds. "It was technically the least you could possibly do."

Tom Fornelli and Jerry Hinnen, Notre Dame and Auburn fans respectively:

Fornelli: Ohio State just really doesn't seem to get it, or they're in a deep state of denial. The NCAA isn't going to see that the school has vacated it's wins from last season and move on. There will be scholarships lost, and there will be a postseason bowl ban for a year or two. It's not fair to the players on the team or whichever coach eventually takes over for Tressel, but unfortunately for Ohio State, the NCAA knows that you can't just erase the past and fix things.

Hinnen: We're assuming they do. Since we're discussing the NCAA's Committee on Infractions here, there's no way to know exactly what they're going to do until they do it. Precedents mean nothing and logic is frequently tossed aside like so many babies in so much bathwater.

But if the COI ever wants to be taken seriously, rubber-stamping OSU's self-imposed "punishment" and giving the Buckeyes a pat on the head just can't be an option. Without subpoena power, the only thing standing between the NCAA and utter investigative helplessness is honesty and cooperation from those involved. What it got instead from from OSU was Tressel lying through his teeth with Gee and Smith nodding genially at his side. The NCAA tried to be lenient with the Buckeyes once already--and was repaid with a sham of a Sugar Bowl and a carton's worth of egg on its face for its troubles.

The Cleveland Plain-Dealer's Bud Shaw only speaks in one-sentence paragraphs:

The question is whether it's doing so as a strategy or out of delusion. Delusion is the leader in the clubhouse.

The Buckeyes started out looking nonchalant in all this, remember. Now, they just look arrogant.

Early on, they opened themselves to charges that their internal investigation amounted to, "Nothing to see here, move along."

This is an administration that initially wrist-slapped Tressel with a two-game ban, then increased it to five, then sought his resignation and now is fitting him for a pillory for display before the NCAA.

The designated media contrarian—there's always one—is Stewart Mandel, who argues that the media firestorm in the aftermath of the NCAA's allegations hasn't materially affected the charges, which the school argues are limited to Tressel. I'd think the head coach lying to keep six players eligible for an entire season obviously deserves a bowl ban and scholarship pain even when you don't account for OSU's persistently nose-thumbing response.

Comments

Blue in Yarmouth

July 11th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^

Every piece of logic tells me it will be impossible for the NCAA to do anything short of a 2 year bowl ban along with scholarship reductions for a cuople of years. When you take into account what OSU has tried to do since all this happened, even that seems somewhat soft to me.

My biggest fear is that the NCAA seemingly ignores logic in favor of burying their head in the sand. I can't decscribe how disgusted I wll be if all this ends with OSU getting away with nothing more than their self imposed sanctions.

Deep Under Cover

July 11th, 2011 at 1:10 PM ^

I think Hinnen made the best point of all of this in that the NCAA has already tried to let them get off easy.  Everyone knows it, and everyone saw how that backfired.  I refuse to believe the NCAA will allow the image of college football (or college sports in general) be further tarnished by allowing OSU to get off so easy, let alone insulting the authority of the NCAA.

Logan

July 11th, 2011 at 3:01 PM ^

Does anyone know what's going on with a new Notice of Allegations? The current one does not include a LOIC or Failure to Monitor charge. Are those even on the table anymore?

I'd of course love if they received a 2+ year bowl ban and a loss of 20+ scholarships over the next few years and they deserve it. But, I have no idea what the NCAA will actually do, whether there are secret handshakes going on, if the NCAA will ignore blatant corruption and post-corruption thumbnosing, etc. and I'm not going to get worked up about it. Instead I will focus on the amazing positives that have emerged from this situation: Tressel disgraced and fired, his entire legacy/regime under a cloud of suspicion, Pryor out the door, KALIS (!!) and possibly others, recruiting in general (ours and theirs) and of course watching delusional OSU fans get worked up to the point of nuclear meltdown.  It's been a fun ride and whatever the NCAA hands down will just be icing on the cake!

BlueDragon

July 11th, 2011 at 4:52 PM ^

I feel like I can finally breathe a little bit in enemy territory again.  I haven't seen this level of pacification since the 1990's.

As for the new Notice of Allegations scenario, I think about that with the same part of my mind I think about the Auburn FBI investigation.  It would be nice if something came of it, but I don't expend too much mental energy hoping for the outcome I want it to have.

J. Lichty

July 11th, 2011 at 1:08 PM ^

give them a bowl ban after the stunt they pulled to keep the Tat-Five eligible for the sugar bowl. 

I don't think the NCAA is afraid of Gene Smith anymore, not after they whacked golden child USC. 

M-Wolverine

July 11th, 2011 at 1:11 PM ^

That 25 years of the NCAA saying "nothing to see here" will override 1 time of " USC LOL".
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<br>They need to say "Ohio State, You Shall Not Pass!!"

Blue in Seattle

July 11th, 2011 at 1:31 PM ^

I'd prefer it be more like the death of Sauron from when the ring was cut off his finger.  The Balrog dragged Gandalf down with it, and if you read the books you'll know that Gandalf had to continue fighting the Balrog as they continued to fall down the bottomless crevice.  Then Gandalf's physical form was "dead" from the battle and he was allowed to be reborn to continue to assist the quest.

so, while you probably didn't think through your analogy that much (not critiscizing, it is an awesome scene as well as awesome section of the book, and you don't learn about what happens to Gandalf until he returns, and only if you read the books), but if the NCAA is Gandalf, then I hope they aren't caught in a lengthy struggle with the Balrog.

I'd much prefer it to be like cutting off Sauron's rings, and then he explodes in a dramatic but non-lethal (except to Sauron) nuclear explosion like blast.

And remember, Sauron's spirit survived, but his power was diminished to the point that he could only return as a flaming eyeball (bucknut).

 

Blue in Yarmouth

July 11th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^

Thanks for the information, I didn't read the book so that was informative.

I guess my analogy was simply good kicking evils ass (evil being the bucknuts). You were right when you said I porbably didn't think about the entire scenario leading to balrog's demise when I made the analogy, just the part where he was beaten.

Again though, good information. I really should read the books one of  these days.

Everyone Murders

July 11th, 2011 at 1:17 PM ^

"The question is whether it's doing so as a strategy or out of delusion. Delusion is the leader in the clubhouse."

At this point it seems that either OSU's administration is deluded, or the rest of America is deluded.  From the outside, OSU's response to this has been downright comical, with their AD's veiled threats to the Infractions Committee the latest silliness.

The question is whether the denial of the import of the situation is intentional (e.g., a lawya-recommended strategy) or sincere.  From the outside, their approach has done nothing but make matters worse for OSU, so I'm starting to think it's sincere. 

And I'm not above admitting I'm loving it.

zlionsfan

July 11th, 2011 at 1:38 PM ^

if I could be sure that the NCAA will act as everybody expects it should. From a neutral perspective, it seems as if there's a really good chance OSU will get a USC-type penalty, with an outside chance of something closer to SMU territory if some of the other allegations can be proven to the NCAA's satisfaction ... but I can't shake the feeling that we'll end up seeing some fraction of what we're expecting, with scarlet and gray "Ha ha"s echoing throughout the internets.

Six Zero

July 11th, 2011 at 1:20 PM ^

then it might as well just surrender all authority and close its offices for good.  This is not a single solitary relationship between the NCAA and the Buckeyes-- it's the governing body of college athletics as a whole.  To do nothing here would encourage the rest of the country to essentially cast off its acknowledgment of the NCAA's power and do whatever anyone wants or pleads.  The lack of appropriate action would be nothing less than a license for the rest of the country.

It's like the Brady Bunch-- if Bobby went ahead and got drunk in the backyard and dad Mike did nothing about it, then he essentially surrenders his ability to punish Jan and Marsha for the same thing.  Before you know it, he's lost control of the whole dang family, and not even the housekeeper (what's her name again?) won't even make him a ham sandwich.

If the NCAA would accept these laughable conditions from Ohio State, it is essentially nullifying the entire infrastructure of college athletics.  And that's why it cannot.  And that's why it WILL NOT.

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On the other hand, this is an opportunity for the NCAA to assert itself, and to assert its rightful power.  If the book is dropped on Columbus, Ohio, the every other school in the country will watch very carefully.  They will fall in line out of respect, and fear.  And they sure as sugar won't try to pull off the 'awww shucks we just dint know" Gordon Gee and Gene Smith routine.

For college sports to keep working, Ohio State must be shredded.  Mike Brady's gotta lay down the law.

Todd Plate's n…

July 11th, 2011 at 1:34 PM ^

Alice, played by the late great Ann B. Davis

Edited to add: the ham for that sandwich would have been delivered by Alice's commitment-phobia boyfriend Sam the Butcher.  Immortalized by the Beastie Boys (can't remember which song), "like Sam the Butcher givin' Alice the meat."  Looking back, I believe that has some sexual overtones. 

J. Lichty

July 11th, 2011 at 2:04 PM ^

- when I was at UM there was a band called Ann B Davis 

-The Beastie Boys song is Shake Your Rump from the highly underrated Paul's Boutique LP, but the actual lyrics are "I'm like Sam the Butcher, briging Alice the meat" not "giving" - same connotation, though.

Njia

July 11th, 2011 at 3:58 PM ^

An analogy to The Godfather, especially parts I and II. Both pop culture references work well in any situation. Maybe we can do both!

Greg gets killed off by a rival of Mike's architectural firm, while Peter is out in Las Vegas setting up a new office. In an effort to protect Bobby, Mike sends him to Europe to live with some of Carol's family. When Bobby comes back, he finds that Peter has betrayed him and tried to have him killed. Bobby bides his time, and is eventually given control of the family by Mike, who wants to retire. Alice, who had been the family's consigliere, becomes just another one of the family's soldier, as Bobby asks his father to be his primary advisor and "fixer". Bobby and Mike continue a warm relationship until Mike's death while chasing through the family's garden with his grandson (it's Marsha's son - this isn't a perfect mash up). After Mike's death, Peter decides to go out fishing where, while telling a story about a man named Brady and a lovely lady, he suffers a tragic accident in the boat.

Wolverine 73

July 11th, 2011 at 1:22 PM ^

Yeah, we cheated.  Yeah, we lied.  Yeah, we fraudulently induced you into letting those guys play in a bowl game.  But we'll pretend for your purposes that those games never happened, and let's just move on.  The future doesn't deserve to be impacted by anything we did in the past.  That's all past stuff.  Tressel is gone, man, move on.  If the NCAA buys this BS, the really dirty programs will see this as a green light to do what they like and stonewall any investigation that ensues.  The NCAA is at a fork in the road, and they had better take the right one.

J. Lichty

July 11th, 2011 at 4:05 PM ^

asked to have them declared eligible, it was OSU that provided the possibility that it could happen by declaring that the players had not been properly educated regarding the rules by OSU's compliance department.  OSU's hands were wholly unclean in the Sugar Bowl duping.

Don

July 12th, 2011 at 9:19 AM ^

And OSU just picked up the fork and stabbed the NCAA in the eye with it.

This is all going to come down to whether Emmert is a typically nutless, conflict-averse career academician who will do anything to avoid unpleasant situations even if it leads the outside world to laugh at him as a complete pussy, or somebody who actually has the balls to stand up to a powerful entrenched interest in the form of one of the nation's most successful football programs.

The USC decision might warrant hope, but I'm not holding my breath.

Todd Plate's n…

July 11th, 2011 at 1:30 PM ^

My blind rage following the release of their fantasy sanctions subsides when I consider what is behind it.  My guess, based on nothing, Gene Smith knows or was flat out told that he can keep his job if the program receives only the self-imposed sanctions (or close to) that they proposed.  it's a hail mary from smith from his own 10 to save his job. 

while i have my doubts the ncaa has the stones to drop the deserved hammer, the whole sugar bowl situation has to have them furious and focused on levying significant penalties.

 

Erik_in_Dayton

July 11th, 2011 at 1:30 PM ^

An important thing to remember is that OSU has not yet (that we know of) been charged with anything to do with Talbott, cars, or any of the stuff in the SI article that hadn't already come out.  OSU's punishment may accordingly be fairly light this time round in the eyes of many. 

I think that the current set of charges against OSU is no more than the equivalent of Al Capone being charged with tax evasion.   My hope is that the murder charges (to continue the analogy) are still coming - followed by bowl bans, scholarship reductions, etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

BigBlue62

July 11th, 2011 at 1:35 PM ^

We all know the "self-imposed sanctions" are BS, right? But let me ask you - what was O$U supposed to do?  If they do nothing, they look like idiots.  But they're also not going to give THEMSELVES a bowl-ban and a reduction in scholarships.  Even if they knew it was deserved, I don't ever foresee a school doing that to itself regardless of the circumstances.

Hopefully they get what's coming to them in August, but don't expect them to do it to themselves in some kind of self-righteous move.