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Published reaction to the Day of Slight Reckoning has mostly fallen into two camps. One focuses on how the prideful block M has been brought low; addressing that is left for another post. The second shrugs at the end result, adds it to the ever-growing pile to strikes against Rodriguez, and quickly segues into a discussion of Rodriguez's presence on the proverbial hot seat, which is deemed hot indeed. Unlike last year, when a smattering of dips said Rodriguez was in danger of losing his job, there's no denying the reality of it: there are 2010 football seasons that end with Rodriguez getting run out of town on a rail.

How many are there? It will come as no surprise to anyone who's read this blog for a long time that I believe there are (and should be) considerably fewer than the popular conception does. Heck, I (and Dave from Maize 'n' Brew) just managed to convince Doug Gillett of this. For the last year and a half this space has been advocating radical patience.

For an example what seems to be the conventional wisdom, Bruce Feldman has a piece($) in which he repeatedly asks for much more than I think is reasonable for RR to deliver next year:

This is still Michigan, growing pains or not. This isn't a normal rebuilding job. Going 8-4 may not even be a strong enough sign that Michigan is rocketing back to the top and all of this tumult in the previous two years were worth it. …

Again, 8-4 might not be enough. Michigan needs to go back to winning like Michigan used to. Now.

Similarly, Dan Wetzel declares that setting the bar at a return to a bowl game is "incredibly low."

I had a twitter conversation with Feldman about this assertion a couple days ago. During that one of the tweets hit my main account—forgot the "d"—and thus the Facebooks, where it drew a chorus of raspberries because I asserted that going from 5-7 to 7-5 whilst replacing Baby Seal U with UConn would be "significant" progress. (It's since been pointed out that Michigan is playing a I-AA team next year so they're replacing with Eastern Michigan with UConn, but it's not like there's much difference between EMU and a horrible HBCU except when it comes to the entertainment provided by the marching band.) Patience is running low. 

I know it's my role as the crazy fan blogger to demand the head of the coach when he fails to live up to my crazy expectations, but if we're seriously talking about an 8-4 regular season "not being enough" for Rodriguez to get a year four Michigan should have just fired him already. If this ends up being an 8-4 team the Mathlete's luck chart will have Michigan considerably on the happy side of the ledger.

Consider:
  • Aforementioned schedule upgrade.
  • In games against non-baby-seals last year, Michigan was outgained 410-353 on average. They did not outgain any BCS opponent other than Purdue.
  • The two-deep at safety, which covers three spots, has two walk-ons and zero upperclassmen. The corner depth is horrifying, as well.
  • The quarterback depth chart also features zero upperclassmen.
  • The scholarship breakdown looks like so: 11 seniors, 13 juniors, 20 sophomores, and 39 freshmen. The defense as a whole remains extremely young relative to competition:

The 2009 and 2010 classes make up about half of each unit for our rivals; for us it's about 75 percent..

  • Only four seniors project as starters.

"This is still Michigan" is demonstrably false. Even in year three this remains a desperately young team with major holes in the secondary and no upperclass quarterbacks. Rodriguez's responsibility for the state of the state of the roster is limited to the absence of Terrelle Pryor, or any marginally acceptable option at quarterback from his first two months on the job, and a couple of would-be-sophomores Rodriguez did not add to the end of his first full recruiting class. You can wave your hands and say "Michigan! Rabble rabble rabble!" all you want but if you dressed these guys up like Generic State University people would expect them to go .500.

Progress is mandatory, but firing a guy because he's not healing lepers is unwise.  This is a team that deserved to go 3-9 in 2008 and had four non-freshman defensive backs on the roster last year. Rebuilding from that is not a short-term operation. We've been through why this happened many times before; suffice it to say Rodriguez's margin of error to prevent a wholesale cratering was infinitesimal.

Later in Feldman's piece he says Rodriguez is an "excellent coach" and "proven winner" who "knows how to develop talent and motivate players." If this is the case—and everything in his coaching tenure before Michigan suggests so—why shouldn't Michigan give him the benefit of the doubt? They are not going to hire a coach with two BCS wins to his name next offseason. Patience is warranted. One year now (to be clear: 2011) has the potential to pay off with a 20-year stretch of success. While recruiting has suffered Michigan's classes are well within the range where Michigan can expect to compete for Big Ten championships when it is not operating with literally half the upperclassmen of its primary rivals.

My personal measuring stick for Rodriguez: yardage parity and a winning record. I would be displeased with 7-6 but willing to grit my teeth and give Rodriguez a shot in 2011, when he will return both specialists, every starter on offense save Steve Schilling and all but three starters on defense. That will seem exceptionally kind to many, I know, but literally no coach in the country could take the leftovers after Mallett's transfer and do anything other than flail as Rodriguez has.

2008 was a complete waste. To me, this is year two for Rodriguez, and 2011 is when I expect rubber to meet road.

Comments

bjk

June 2nd, 2010 at 9:26 PM ^

when Brian, of all of us, pulled 8-5 out of the air last November.  I thought it would be insane to drive RR out of AA after '10 with all of his recruits just coming of age in time for the '11 season.  I'm thinking that even Brian succumbs at times to the pressure of the moment -- hell, he's said as much himself -- and I welcome his new bar as being closer to what I was hoping, which is that things will succumb to RR's and the team's perseverence and that we will get to see what a fully-developed '11 squad can do.  And I do look forward to seeing what growing experience on offense can do in '10 as well.

3rdGenerationBlue

May 27th, 2010 at 8:33 PM ^

What we can do to voice our support:

Write a letter, send an email, make a donation, have a conversation with someone in the athletic department or university administration and let them know you are in complete agreement that Rich Rodriguez should be Michigan's football coach for 2010. Repeat this process at the end of the season if you see appropriate progress.

What we can't do:

Boo the team/coach - honestly it doesn't matter if Michigan is losing 50 - 0, please never boo

Stop trusting that Dave Brandon and Mary Sue Coleman have the best interests of the University of Michigan in mind......every moment of every day

Tom_Harmon 2.0

May 27th, 2010 at 9:32 PM ^

I already posted this in a different discussion, but I think it applies here as well.  I did some stats on RR vs. Tressel vs. past Michigan coaches.  Let me know what you guys think.  All win-loss percentages are wins divided by total games, and all numbers are from Wikipedia or MGoBlue.

 

Jim Tressel: 2001-Present (9 seasons)
94-21
81.74%

Impressive.  But he's only coached more seasons than Gary Moeller on the Michigan Football Coaches' Hit Parade:

Fielding Yost (Mr. Point-a-Minute, four consecutive NCs from 1901 to 1904): 80.88% (25 seasons)
Fritz Crisler (Winged Helmet Guy, 1947 M team 'Best M Team Ever', beat USC 49-0 in 1948 Rose Bowl): 80.50% (9 seasons)
Bo Schembechler (University of Michigan, beat Woody Hayes' best Buckeye squad 24-12 in Ann Arbor 1969, 5-4-1 against Hayes overall, best record of college football coaches in the 1970s (96-16-3)): 78.54% (20 seasons)
Bo Schembechler (Overall, coached at Miami of Ohio under Hayes): 76.22% (37 seasons)
Gary Moeller (University of Michigan): 73.33% (4 seasons)
Lloyd Carr (University of Michigan, national champions in 1997, 5-2 against Ohio State before 2002): 75.30% (13 seasons)

What do these numbers tell us?  Well, on paper Tressel is more successful than any Michigan football coach in history--for 9 seasons.  If he can keep up this winning pace for the next 10-15 years we might be screwed, but I have a feeling Tresselball isn't going to cut it much longer in the Big Ten.  Time vil tell.

Here are RR's stats vs. Tressel:

At present, Michigan is 0-2 against Ohio State under head coach Rich Rodriguez. How do Jim Tressel's and RR's overall records stack up?

Tressel (Youngstown State, division I-AA): 69.59% (16 seasons)
Tressel (Ohio State, division I-A): 81.74% (9 seasons)

Rodriguez (Glenville State, division I-AA): 58.90% (7 seasons)
Rodriguez (West Virginia University, division I-A): 69.77% (7 seasons)
Rodriguez (Michigan, division I-A): 33.33% (2 seasons)

The division difference is key.  Rodriguez started as a head coach at programs that were already beaten up and he gave them a new direction offensively.  His winning percentage at WVU (a D-1 school) is better than Tressel's at Glenville State (a D-2 school)--but Tressel coached at YSU for 16 years.  Both coaches have equal experience coaching at the D-1 level.

Conclusions

Tressel knows how to win games, but the jury's still out on whether he's actually building a program the way RR is at Michigan or if he's relying on high-quality recruits to win games for him.  Given how badly he's been outschemed against quality opponents (1 for 3 in NC games, losing half his bowl games, losing 2 in a row to USC), I lean towards the latter.

As for RR, either the 2012 apocalypse has hit Michigan 4 years early, or his WLP at Michigan is skewed because he's only coached for two seasons.

funkywolve

May 27th, 2010 at 10:50 PM ^

I thinks it kind of funny how much heat Tressell gets.  If you asked a fan of any school, would you be happy if over a 9 yr period your school posted the following:

1 NC

2 other appearances in the NC game

7 BCS Bowl berths (wins in 4 of them)

6 straight conference titles

8-1 vs your arch rival

Just about any fan would jump at that.   Tressell might not win pretty, and he's had some struggles against high quality opponents lately, but he's got a helluva resume going at OSU right now. 

Getting high quality recruits is half the battle.  Any program from a BCS conference that is almost an annual fixture in the Top 10 needs to get high quality recruits.

 

Doug Sir Swish Remer

May 27th, 2010 at 9:37 PM ^

I think last year showed way too many flashes for us not to be at least an 8 win team. I personally see a 9 win team. We are playing a pretty weak schedule. I know I am going to get bashed for this but this is how I see the season panning out.

 

H - Uconn...WIN

A - ND...WIN

H - MASS...WIN

H - BG...WIN

A - Indiana...WIN

H - Sparty...WIN

H - Iowa...WIN

A - Penn...LOSS

H - Illinois...WIN

A - Purdue...WIN

H - Wisconsin...LOSS

A - OSU...IDK

blueblueblue

May 27th, 2010 at 11:30 PM ^

Me thinks you all are wasting your allotted tube space in the internets.

See if this argument is necessary a month into the season; then check back in with each other after another month; then do so after another. 

Writing about and debating this now is just a big mental and virtual circle jerk. Have fun with that. 

Sethgoblue

May 28th, 2010 at 2:46 AM ^

Writing about and debating this now is just a big mental and virtual circle jerk. Have fun with that.

 

Are you serious?  It's the offseason and there's a media storm whipping about the NCAA violations that only fuels the fire for those who wanted RR's head on a stick as soon as he stepped on campus. It couldn't be more relevant to dissect how expectations for next season will and should affect RR's keeping his job. Do you have a better idea of what to talk about now? God I hope you were being sarcastic.

GRIGGS616

May 27th, 2010 at 11:29 PM ^

i hated the last two season, with a passion, but dont blame RR for that. He brought a whole new scheme with him, and that takes time to kick in. We cant fire him, we need him. A new coach will start these articles all over again, and so on and so forth. Even with the losses, u can see the ability of the team and players, as they grow it will only get better, and consistent. i believe with RR we will win a championship before Devin Gardner grad. The chance to score on any givin play is scary, this years team will  put that together frequently, they have experience now, and it will only get better and better, which will land top recruits and give us the chance to win in every game no matter who were playing

Believe.....GO BLUE

uminks

May 28th, 2010 at 12:59 AM ^

Given the weak defensive depth and no QB's his first year , his losing record was quite predictable.  May be Bo would have gotten a .500 record out of the 2008 squad.

2009...RR finished about where I thought he would given a very weak defense.  The team should have played  more aggressive at home  against Purdue, instead of going into a shell shock after a few big plays.  If we would have won the home game against Purdue we would have finished .500 and played in a bowl game.

2010..Overall talent and depth has improved within the D.  It may take half the year before this young defense begins to gel.  I'm hoping for 6 to 8 wins!  If RR can get the team to a bowl, then he deserves at least one more season got get 9 or more wins in 2011.  I would give RR another year even if he only wins 4 or 5 games this season...but I have this feeling RR will have to win 8 games this season and beat MSU or OSU to keep his job. I don't like the prospects of throwing in the towel early on RR. 

uminks

May 28th, 2010 at 1:12 AM ^

I don't see another NC here until RR can build a dominating defense.  He may have started the building blocks for one but the job will not be completed for another several years!  Though, if we can get back to having the typical good UM defense, I could see 9 to 10 wins per season with BCS bowl games in our immediate future. Especially if the spread offense can pile up the points.

Doug Sir Swish Remer

May 28th, 2010 at 3:02 AM ^

I thought we had an impressive offense last year considering a true freshmen QB. The offense will only improve with experience as will the defense once depth is established. We are bringing in all the talent we need, now we simply have to wait until the talent matures. We had too big of a gap last year as far as talent goes. Too many freshmen with little depth resulted in a piss poor D.

MechEng97

May 28th, 2010 at 9:36 AM ^

I thought back in mid-season 2008 that we'd be opening up a new stadium with a new team in 2010.  One that has some depth/experience at QB and Defense.  I agree completely with this analysis that says 2011.  I'm as anxious as anyone to see if we can pull off 7-8 wins and turn the heat down to Medium on RichRod for a year.  

Listening to the radio and reading outside information, you'd never think he'd be given the opportunity.  But I have confidence that Brandon knows what's up and think as long as the wheels don't come off again (do we have any left on this ride?) Rodriguez will be back in 2011.  I think we'll go 7-6 just to make it interesting and keep all the haters riled up, but 2011 can't get here fast enough for me.  The spoiled fans will be gone and those of us who stuck this thing out will watch with pride...

stmccoy

May 28th, 2010 at 11:19 AM ^

I have to agree with this analysis.  An immediate, emotional firing of Rodriguez following a marginal season in 2010 is going to create chaos.  Another coaching search and player attrition would leave the program possibly worse off than it could be with Rodriguez at the helm in 2011.  I think with the large numbers of upperclassmen starters in the 2011 season, that should be the real measuring stick.  There must be positive movements toward returning to national prominence.  A 5-7 season would be tough to swallow and I know most fans would have a tough time sitting through a season that mirrors last year’s second half collapse.  However, it is my opinion that continuity rules in college sports and by axing Rodriguez after 2010 is a mistake that will have repercussions and will likely mean Michigan continuing as a marginal to below average team for another 2-3 years.  Hopefully none of this matters and RR goes 9-3 next year. 

maizenbluedoc

May 31st, 2010 at 1:51 PM ^

Unfortunately, I have to agree with what many have been saying for years; that many Michigan coaches, players, and fans are quoting Michigan's stellar record as a great football power.  Many have been correct, as indicated by the regressive nature of the football program.  Much of the stats were amassed when Michigan was much superior to their opponents. Now there is more parity among teams and Michigan has to perform in order to retain their lofty status.  No amount of bragging will elevate the team to greatness. Greatness will only be acomplished by an insidious preparatory process. I believe that process is beginning, regardless of what people say about RR (they may be correct), but the team appears to be on the right track. I thought some of the losses under coach Carr were aganizing, but nothing compares to the last two years.  Until the Michigan coaching staff recruits better than Tressel and begins to beat OSU, I have a fear that the storied record of Michigan football may be eclipsed by someone else.  I certaily hope that doesn't happen.