If you see an Iowa fan, give them a hug. It's sorely needed.
But if the Iowa fan you see is an Iowa running back, hug him VERY GENTLY. Then gain a safe distance.
From L to R: Jared Wangler, Jack Wangler, Shane Morris, Brent Morris (via Tim Sullivan)
Jared Wangler's commitment flip from Penn State to Michigan on Friday gave the Wolverines their final linebacker in the 2014 class. It also gave Jared's father, former Michigan quarterback John, a rare hat trick of sorts, per The Wolverine's Chris Balas ($):
[I]t's a good thing business is good at his Top Cat sales company (an adidas distributor), the elder Wangler said with a laugh. Son Jack is a walk-on wide receiver and daughter Halle is transferring from Oakland University to walk on to the Michigan team this year.
"I do have a few college tuition bills to pay," Wangler said.
He's not complaining, though, rather living a father's dream.
"I can't honestly say it was a goal, but I guess you always hope and dream," he said of sending three kids to Michigan. "It fell into place. I don't think you can ever draw it up.["]
John also said that Penn State "did everything right" in their recruitment of Jared, but that the difference with Michigan was simply that "it's Michigan." ('Fergodsakes' implied, surely.) Friday's events didn't just fulfill a dream for dad, of course; Jared told Scout's Josh Newkirk what the Michigan commitment means to him ($):
“I have been going to Michigan since I was a little kid,” Wangler told GoBlueWolverine. “So it was kind of like a dream come true. It was definitely really special to me. Especially, because I have the opportunity to play with my brother and with Shane (Morris), who is one of my best friends, and play where my dad played. I just think it’s a cool opportunity.”
Jared also heaped plenty of praise upon the Nittany Lions coaching staff, namely Bill O'Brien and Ron Vanderlinden ("two of the greatest guys I've ever met"), and said that Michigan was the only school that could sway him from his Penn State commitment.
Allen Trieu provides another scouting report on Wangler in the wake of his commitment ($):
At 6'1, 215-pounds, he's a kid who transitioned over from safety, but while he's not as big as some of the other linebackers we've seen in this class, Wangler is not afraid of contact. He does a nice job of taking on blockers and when he arrives at the ball carrier, he's a strong tackler who can deliver a strike. He's a smart, instinctive kid who keeps himself in good position, doesn't lose contain and does a good job of diagnosing plays quickly and using his ability to run to get to the ball carrier.
The big question about Wangler's ability to project to SAM, one of two positions where he might end up (the other being WILL), is whether he has the size and block-shedding ability required to take on that role; while he won't reach ideal SAM height, he's got the frame to add 20 or so pounds, and with his quickness and football IQ he could develop into a very viable edge player.
[Hit THE JUMP for the latest on Malik McDowell and Brian Cole, Scout unveiling their first 2015 five-stars, and more.]
Sam Webb's latest Detroit News feature focuses on MI DT Malik McDowell, who still maintains that he's far from a Michigan lock. The whole article is worth your time; both of McDowell's parents gush about Michigan's academics and coaching staff, and Malik reveals that the only two programs he's currently got in mind for official visits are Florida and Florida State. (Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State, being close to home, will receive unofficial visits.) As for a timeline, well, your guess is as good as mine:
BCS powers Alabama, USC, and LSU are few of the other programs also being considered, but there currently is no rush to set the rest of the itinerary. Despite rumors of an imminent August decision, the 2014 Army All American insists his previous decision timetable still holds.
“Either before the Army game (in San Antonio, Texas on Jan. 4) or after the Army game,” [Malik] said.
He said his decision could even come during the Army Game.
2015 four-star Saginaw ATH Brian Cole has visited Michigan several times and was expected by many to end up in the class sooner or later; recently, however, momentum appears to have swung in favor of Michigan State, and Cole was one of several top in-state prospects in East Lansing last week when Jayru Campbell committed to the Spartans. Allen Trieu caught up with Cole, who said that Campbell is trying to recruit him to MSU and also talked about the impact of Curtis Blackwell on his recruitment ($):
Michigan State made a splash last week announcing the hiring of Max Ex's Curtis Blackwell. Did that hire make an impact with Cole?
"It does," he said. "I'm still neutral, but I have good relationship with him."
Cole is a member of the Max Ex 7-on-7 team, so he's very familiar with Blackwell. While he's still "neutral," that relationship could play a big factor in what could be a big-time in-state recruiting battle. In addition to the in-state schools, Cole plans on taking in games at Tennessee and Ohio State this fall, so his recruitment is far from over.
Scout unveiled their initial list of 20 five-stars for the class of 2015 this afternoon, and two things stand out immediately:
1. Yes, George Campbell is one of them.
"Florida is always loaded at these two positions but [CB Kevin] Tolliver and [George] Campbell are special," said Jamie Newberg, a national recruiting analyst that is over Florida. "It’s rare to find big, talented corners with length, speed and athleticism yet that's exactly what Tolliver has. Then you have a monster with Campbell at receiver. He has size and sub 4.4 speed in the 40 yard dash. He can be a playmaker at multiple positions on offense and defense. They are both unique talents."
2. Zero — I'll repeat, zero — of Scout's initial five-star prospects hail from the Midwest. Eight, including Campbell, reside in SEC country; California produced five and Texas three, no surprise given their wealth of talent; two probable Michigan offers, Tim Settle and Ricky DeBerry, live in Virginia; Hawaii and Nevada account for the remaining two prospects. IL DE Terry Beckner (#2 overall in the 2015 247 Composite) and MN DE Jashon Cornell (#7, and #1 overall to ESPN) are notable omissions.
Iowa's top 2014 commit, in-state four-star lineman Ross Pierschbacher, flipped to Alabama over the weekend. BHGP's Patrick Vint notes that this defection hurts even more than previous notable decommitments from 2013 prospects David Kenney (flipped to Indiana when the Hoosiers hired his dad) and Delano Hill (Cass Tech kid goes to Michigan because duh):
Pierschbacher's defection, on the other hand, is a reflection on the current sad state of the program. Here's an in-state kid, a self-professed lifelong Iowa fan, playing at a position that is Ferentz's calling card. Four or five years at Iowa turned more than a few offensive linemen -- Gallery, Steinbach, Nelson, Yanda, Bulaga, Reiff -- into early draft picks with long pro careers. A glossy new football practice facility is in progress. Tuscaloosa is quite literally ten times as far from Cedar Falls as Iowa City. Nick Saban does not run an offense particularly distinct from that of Iowa; both programs exemplify a steadfast commitment to pro-style, run-first offensive strategy.
The only thing in Saban's favor is that his offense actually scores points, that his team wins SEC titles and national championships while Iowa yearns for the halcyon days of Florida bowl games.
Oof. If you see an Iowa fan, give them a hug. It's sorely needed.
2015 MD ATH Kamonte Carter said an unofficial visit to Michigan last week "blew my mind," to 247's Steve Lorenz ($). Carter, who holds early offers from Maryland, Michigan State, N.C. State, Nebraska, Pitt, and West Virginia, is being recruited as a SAM by the Wolverines and plans to take in a game this fall.
Four-star VA DE Clelin Ferrell has been in touch with Roy Manning and is looking to set up a game visit for the fall, per Lorenz ($). Ferrell is an early top-100 prospect, and he's taken notice of Michigan's recent success on the recruiting trail:
"Michigan is the only program that had a primarily defensive player win the Heisman in Charles Woodson," Ferrell noted. "They're the winningest program of all-time as far as wins and they are part of the biggest rivalry in college football with Ohio State. I also see what they've done not only in Virginia with Derrick Green and Wilton Speight, but also with guys like George Campbell committing. There's a reason these guys are picking Michigan, and it makes me want to head up there and see what they're all about."
That seems like more than token interest; despite the limited numbers in the 2015 class, I'd presume Ferrell will earn an offer if/when he makes it to campus.
GBW's Kyle Bogenschutz interviews Scout's West Coast Recruiting Analyst, Brandon Huffman, for an overview of Michigan's current targets in California.
Noted MGoPoster and Maize n Brew contributor Space Coyote posted an excellent breakdown of Wilton Speight on his blog, which recruiting and film junkies will want to bookmark. He sees plenty of potential in Michigan's 2014 quarterback commit, especially when throwing the deep ball, but there are mechanical issues that Speight needs to work out if he's going to be effective with short- to mid-range passes at the next level.
If you missed it on Friday, make sure to check out Brandon's interview with PA S Montae Nicholson.
If you see an Iowa fan, give them a hug. It's sorely needed.
But if the Iowa fan you see is an Iowa running back, hug him VERY GENTLY. Then gain a safe distance.
You sure it wouldn't be like the mummy's curse and simply coming into contact with an Iowa RB wouldn't be enough to bring you under the wrath of ARBHG?
Wow, Jack Wangler really looks like David Schwimmer.
Pivot, pivoot.. PIVOOOT
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To tell Penn State "they were on a break?"
Actually neither DeBerry nor Settle has an offer from Michigan yet. DeBerry visited this spring and has offers from a who's who of college football and it doesn't look likely he'll get one from Michigan at all for whatever reason. And Settle will probably get one if he visits with Hand this fall. Their only two DT offers are Alabi from Cass Tech and Shy Tuttle out of North Carolina, according to Touch the Banner, which is usually very on top of these things.
This is just a pure reflection of the recruiting in the Big Ten for every school not named Michigan or Ohio State. It's getting pathetic. The seperation between our two programs and the rest is going to be Grand Canyon-esque in the next few years. Recruiting wins championships.
the only program really within sniffing distance of Michigan and OSU is Penn State who is going to be decimated by sanctions starting either this year or the next. The next crew behind that (MSU, Nebraska, Wisconsin) is landing like 2 or 3 four-star guys a year. Everyone else is the MAC.
It's just sad
I disagree to a certain extent. For a while, UM and OSU had solid recruiting bases in their respective states and around the rest of the midwest. Lately that focus has shifted to a national one with Michigan recruiting Virginia, New Jersey, Utah, and Florida and OSU getting players from Georgia, Texas, and states like Kentucky and Tennessee. This means that fewer players from Michigan and Ohio will be going to these schools and leaves the door open for a team like MSU, Nebraska, or whoever to come in and take some of the top players.
Of course some could go south or west, but there are a lot of guys that want to stay close to home or in the B1G footprint. Also, I realize that OSU and UM have recruited nationally for a while, but look at UM's 2014 class: 6 from Michigan/Ohio and 9 from elsewhere. For OSU, those numbers are 6 from Ohio and 10 from the rest of the country.
between the 2 schools and all the rest. But although recruiting is one big factor in winning championships, it isn't the only thing. Developing players is pretty big too. That's why Wisconsin has gotten to the Rose Bowl a number of times in recent years. They turn lesser rated recruits into NFL draft picks. Same thing to a lesser extent with MSU. They had arguably the best defense in the conference last year and typically don't get that many highly rated guys.
Wisconsin's players himself just bolted to the SEC. The rest of the B1G has a systemic problem and its starts with the coaches they hire. Until those schools spend more to bring in talented coaches throughout the entire staff it will be difficult to compete.
Im still not convinced that Bielema wasn't simply driving the car that Alvarez built (and continued to maintain behind the scenes).
Wisconsin got there and promptly lost all three times. Developed players or not, they were the less talented team on the field, IMO, and it showed. That's recruiting. There are a lot of very good coaches out there who can teach and develop players, but that's not enough to win big on a national level as Wisconsin proved three years in a row.
Developing players is pretty big too. That's why Wisconsin has gotten to the Rose Bowl a number of times in recent years.
Well that and Ohio being good enough to get out of the Badgers way last year with probation and sanctions. Without a doubt Wisconsin has benefited the most from Michigan and Ohio's missteps of the past 5 years, but the bottom line is that they haven't been competing with both programs operating at their most efficient. With Bielema gone and Michigan / Ohio having their shit together, I think we're going to see the Badgers slide back to the middle again.
One caveat with this situation - the school calling is the defending champion. If Ole Miss had stolen him I'd be more worked up. But when a title team calls, I can see kids flipping. But the bigger point about crappy recruiting remains.
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I've been wondering who the extremely smart Michigan fan on RCMB and tBB was for a while now. You are the only UM fan I know who can post on RCMB without having AIDS wished upon them.
Lots of MSU people in the family and I live/work with a bunch of OSU people, you either learn to get along or (growing up) get your ass kicked or (now) talk to no one at work or have any friends. It's one way to live I suppose.
For the record, this will be my second straight year out of footbal. I miss it terribly and this off-season felt very long because of it. Because of this I felt compelled to actually seek out football talk. Over there I make a concerted effort to only discuss football and stay away from the other things over there, which means I almost stay exclusively on "The Duff" or only discuss actual football talk on the one thread on tBB. It's difficult at times to not get sucked in on other things, but I know if I did I would get lambasted heavily, which means one less place to actually discuss football. The hope is to get back into coaching next year (it simply hasn't been an appropriate time the last two years) and at that point I probably won't be a part of that anymore. I honestly don't know how Magnus has his own blog, writes here, and coaches. I couldn't do it (I can barely keep up with my own blog when not coaching), so we'll see what happens. Albeit, I assume he's a teacher so he has more time in the off season and to actually dedicate to coaching, but still.
"I honestly don't know how Magnus has his own blog, writes here, and coaches."
"That's because Magnus isn't real."
I think I'd rather not have any friends or talk to anyone at work.
At least Rutgers is recruiting decently, right?
There's something deeply depressing when the conference's hopes for decent depth rests on the shoulders of Rutgers's and Northwestern's recruiting abilities.
Don't be sad, according to one Rutgers fan, they'll be out recruiting OSU and Michigan in about 5 years. We're in good hands.
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This may be a dumb question, but why is height such an important attribute for a SAM? I get that strength is big because a SAM needs to keep contain and take on blockers. If Wangler adds 20 lbs., he would be within 5 lbs of Jake Ryan on a shorter frame so he could actually be stronger than Ryan. If it's a matter of reach to help keep blockers away from the SAM's pads, then why not describe it in terms of reach? What is is about height?
Because the SAM lines up so close to the LOS, and therefore, close to the OL+TE, there are a few reasons height comes into play:
So height is a lot like height at the DE position, but with the added necessity that you need to be able to cover. Now too tall will likely mean your hips are stiffer and likely won't be able to cover in space, which is why the taller guys will likely end up at DE, but there are similarities there.
Concerning point #4, Wangler might not be tall, but the kid's upperbody looks really wide. I'm wondering if he'll pack on a lot of good weight and become a force at the point of attack.
I don't think he'll have a problem adding weight, I tend to agree. He has a naturally big build and a wide upper body like you said. I assume like most people with wide shoulders, he'll have the lower body to also add additional weight, so I really don't think that's an issue.
The greater issue, that was brought up by the person I responded to, is really reach. Your reach is generally about equal to your height. Now, if Wangler has wide shoulders but his reach is equal to his height, that's not good because it means his arms are even shorter. More than likely, they're proportional to most people of his height, but that still gives him a relatively shorter reach and still leaves him a little bit limited in pass coverage. I'm on record and having no problem with the Wangler pick up. In a perfect world the staff might have waited, but this is the real world and not the perfect world. I think Wangler will find a way to contribute, and while he'll likely have some limitations at SAM (which is where I think he ends up), he could be a solid though probably not a spectacular player.
Leverage. Height gives you leverage, and like they say in basketball "you can't teach height.
I hope Cole realizes he won't be playing for Blackwell, but Dantonio.
I still think the effect of Blackwell will significantly diminish after a couple years, since he will not have coached these kids during 7 on 7 tournaments anymore.
I'm hoping Cole goes Blue mostly because he goes to my old high school. The only other significant player Heritage has produced was Stu Schweigert, who was a very good safety for Purdue in the early 2000s and then played a few seasons with the Raiders. Granted, the school has only existed since 1988--but two D-1 players in 26 years is still a pretty subpar output for a school of ~2,000 enrollment.
I hear you on hoping guys from your school end up going Blue. Clelin Ferrell goes to my alma mater, and they face Wilton Speight on 9/12. I hope it's Speight's only loss of the year, and that Ferrell has a huge game but doesn't hurt anybody. Recruiting makes strange bedfellows.
That was my original sentiment as well, "These kids aren't very smart for realizing that MSU is still MSU, they're just being sold the same product in better packaging", but the more I think about it the less that actually makes sense. The reason the hire was so brilliant was that's exactly MSU's problem. They've been a top ten defense by traditional and advanced metrics these past couple of years, and there's nothing to indicate that might change anytime soon. The coaching is clearly very, very good. All they needed is to dress up the product in a fresh set of clothes. I think that's what makes the hire so worthwhile for them.
I've said this a number of times, but I think McDowell is a kid that grew up loving Michigan but has been counseled by his parents and other around him to take his time with the process and explore all his options. On several occasions he's slipped that Michigan is his favorite, only to come back and clarify that he's wide open. I'm not saying he's a lock, but I'm not getting to worked up about the fact that he's not committing yet.
when i try to post on my droid everything crashes
nevermind, that probably only happens when i try to post in a deleted thread. on the droid i can read peoples posts that i cant see on the browser, and i can see deleted content, even front page deleted content forever
Out of curiosity, is Brent Morris a candidate to join Bakich's team? As the last man standing in that photo, I did a search and found a Rivals baseball recruiting page that shows him having interest in some ESS EEE SEE programs as a pitcher. My inference is that he's at least decent but I don't know how good. Anyone know this, and if pitching at Michigan is a possibility for him?
Look again. The Brent Morris with (old) SEC interests is from Lebanon, Tennessee. Google tells me he's currently a Junior on the University of Tennessee at Martin roster.
Not to say that Brent couldn't make the Michigan baseball team, assuming he follows his brother to Ann Arbor.