This is shaping up to be an interesting end to the recruiting season.
add another item to the pile as to why this was a bad idea
There's a lot of news after an important official visit weekend, so it's back to Monday for the recruiting roundup.
Update 1/12: Linked articles on OH CB Mike Edwards (mention of OH OL Chris Freeman), SC OL Quinton Washington, FL CB Adrian Witty, MI DT Will Campbell, AZ DE Craig Roh, SC OL Quinton Washington, SC DE Sam Montgomery (two, three), OH LB Isaiah Bell, LA DT DeQuinta Jones, OH CB Mike Edwards (again), PA WR Je'Ron Stokes, PA LB Dan Mason, AL LB Tana Patrick, LA LB Barkevious Mingo, video of MI WR Cam Gordon.
Removed MD RB Tavon Austin (WVU), FL CB Mywan Jackson (UNC). Removed WR commit Dewayne Peace. Added OH WR Terence Davis.
Editorial Opinion: Recruiting board lives here.
Big official visit weekend coincided with 8-12 inches of snow and, perhaps fortuitously, one of Michigan's traditions most likely to appeal to muscle-bound 17 year olds: a bigass snowball fight. Various posters participated; there's an MGoBoard thread. (Poster MGoAndy took one for the team in a delicate area, which sucks for him but hopefully means good things for the baseball team.) Barkevious Mingo was also spotted at the Saturday hockey game.
Anyway, on with the show.
What say you, VA QB Tajh Boyd?
“They said they really need a quarterback and that I’d fit in really well and could play early,” he said. “I know it’s a big program, but I haven’t been looking into them much and don’t really know a lot about them or coach Rich Rodriguez. I’m really not considering them right now.”
Ah. You say "no." Moving on, then…
With rumors of a Eugene Smith visit proving unfounded the last real quarterback prospect Michigan has a shot at is FL QB/CB/WR Denard Robinson, who visited this weekend with teammate and FL CB Adrian Witty. Witty's got an offer now, and the hope is Michigan can sell the duo on a package deal:
“That’s a real good thing too, if we were both to go there, at least we’d know each other. We wouldn’t feel left out.”
Given the number of open scholarships available and the situation at both QB and corner I'd take Robinson even if he cost two scholarships; getting a potentially useful guy at a position of need is a bonus.
SC DE Sam Montgomery is one crazy cat, man. As of a couple weeks ago Michigan was a solid fifth on an ordered list of favorites. Last week, Michigan was even-ish with LSU and North Carolina. This week:
Michigan will play host to Under Armour All-American defensive end Sam Montgomery (Greenwood, S.C./Greenwood) for an official visit this week and Montgomery said on Wednesday night that the Wolverines may have pulled ahead a little.
"I am really liking (Michigan) right now," Montgomery said. "But LSU is in there as well."
Wha? Time for party hats? NSFMF!
Montgomery said right now LSU and Tennessee are tied as his favorites.
Okay, no quote, but that's from Phil Kornblut, who's pretty reliable about these things over at PalmettoSports.com.
But wait! There's more confusion! Kornblut strikes again!
"I was impressed by the bond of the players. They were all family. I loved them to death. There's no selfishness. They are all on the same page. They are ready to win some games. And playing opportunity is there. I'm high on Michigan right now. They are two steps ahead of everybody. But I'll wait and make my decision after all the visits."
You're going to love my nuts!!! Head asplode!
Okay. Okay. Okay. WTF? Let's attempt to synthesize this:
Some crotchety folk might disdain this sort of showmanship, but I look on any Michigan recruit who might 1) be awesome and 2) give ridiculous, Irons-brothers-like quotes as a must-get. If his name lent itself to Mingo-stole-my-baby jokes I would cry if he went anywhere else.
But the downside (given the very latest on his recruitment): any sort of lead Michigan might have is ephemeral.
So. I think Montgomery is still more likely to end up at LSU or Tennessee or somewhere in the south than Michigan. If he gets through the next week without naming someone else his leader I'll feel much better; if he gets through an official visit without dropping a similarly schwing quote on another school I'll feel better still.
Elsewhere in uncertainty, LA DT DeQuinta Jones took a visit to Arkansas this weekend and offered up this less than reassuring quote:
"I'm still with [Michigan] right now, but I've been talking to my family," Jones said. "They've told me to make the best decision I can make for myself."
There is also this:
While Jones said distance to Ann Arbor, Mich., wouldn't be a factor in his decision, he said playing at Arkansas and in the SEC would allow his family to see him play more often and could factor into his decision.
As suggested earlier, Jones' commit is pretty soft.
Last week's mondo scouting dump from the All-American games missed a couple stragglers. I thought OH LB Isaiah Bell wasn't going to get any traction from his showing at the UA bowl, but this may indicate otherwise:
After struggling through the first practice and temporarily moving to linebacker, Bell found his rhythm starting on Day Two. A big safety, he was able to come up to the line of scrimmage and stop the run as well as cover the inside receivers. Though he could add some bulk and be a very good outside linebacker at Michigan, he has the instincts of a safety in the passing game. Sunday's game proved that as he finished second on the team with five tackles and also added a pass breakup. He has a knack for being in the right place at the right time.
Rivals rated him the #8 player on his team at the UA bowl, one spot ahead of ninja quarterback Russell Shepard(!). ESPN already liked him, and the UA game didn't change things. They said Bell "opened up everyone's eyes with his coverage ability." While there's no chance Bell passes Shepard in the actual rankings, it sound like he's due for another star.
Meanwhile, more praise for AZ DE Craig Roh, who Rivals named the #5 player on his team:
After a somewhat slow start to the week, the future Michigan Wolverine really turned things up. He is the definition of a pass-rushing defensive end. He was able to use his athleticism and quickness against the much larger offensive linemen throughout the week's practices and did not give the quarterbacks much time to throw. Roh also showed a bit of surprising strength in being able to bullrush the offensive tackles at times. He had one sack and three hurries in Sunday's game.
ESPN was impressed enough to move him into their top 50:
Michigan commit Craig Roh (Scottsdale, Ariz./Chaparral) had a great week in Orlando and proved to be a dangerous pass-rusher. He is smart and possesses a wonderful motor. He will need to add bulk to his frame once he hits Ann Arbor, but he is still tough versus the run. He is very good with his hands, and his spin and counter moves will make him a handful as a pass-rusher. Roh rose from No. 87 to No. 48.
With ESPN's inexplicable disses of Justin Turner and Will Cambpell, Roh's the highest-ranked Michigan commit to them. (It's clear ESPN had no one at the Army game, as every big mover in their top 150 attended the UA game. Cutting off their nose to spite their face there.)
AZ OL Taylor Lewan also rose in ESPN's rankings, ending up at the fringe of the top 150 (link ibid):
A late bloomer at the offensive tackle position this season is converted defensive lineman Taylor Lewan (Scottsdale, Ariz/Chaparral). Lewan, who wasn't initially on the radar, debuted in the ESPNU 150 at No. 147 thanks to his raw athletic talent and consistency in winning the vast majority of individual battles. He should be a very productive offensive lineman as he matures and his fundamentals sharpen.
OH CB Mike Edwards named Tennessee his leader last week. This week, he claimed no leader…
"It looks like it will be Tennessee, Michigan or Cincinnati. I don't have a favorite. I've only visited Cincinnati."
…and then claimed Tennessee leader once more:
Tennessee solidified its standing as the top team on Mike Edwards’ list during an in-home visit from coach Lane Kiffin and running backs coach Stan Drayton on Thursday.
Or did he? That article contains no quote from Edwards to that effect, just a lot of boilerplate responses to stock questions. So, eh… eh? Eh. I call him mini-Montgomery.
Edwards will visit Michigan this weekend, at which point we'll have a much better feel for M's chances; at this point the declared Tennessee lead, even if it's been backed off on, seems convincing enough to me. And then there's the Glenville stuff. I'm slightly pessimistic here.
Meanwhile, this on FL CB Jayron Hosley is bad:
Jayron Knows Where He's Going
It is bad because Hosley just visited South Florida and that article comes from USFNation.com. The inescapable conclusion is that Hosley's headed to USF. He will still take the Michigan trip he has scheduled for next week. That's even more obviously a longshot than it was a few days ago.
It's even more likely now that Michigan takes a last-second flier on a corner with pretty meh offers.
Everyone was very excited about man-mountain Chris Freeman earlier in the year, and since three of Michigan's teammates had just migrated from Trotwood-Madison to Michigan it looked like M had a pretty good shot. Then went months and months without much, if any, news on Freeman and now it looks like he and Michigan have parted ways:
"I know I want to go to Wisconsin, Missouri and Tennessee," Freeman said. "I'd like to get at least three visits in, but I don't know for sure. My favorite would be between Wisconsin and Tennessee."
That leaves Michigan with three shots at another OL in the class. One of them is SC OL Quinton Washington, who'll take a few visits and then decide:
Other programs have been working hard to establish similar relationships. They've also focused a great deal of effort on securing one of his remaining official visits. Three are now finalized -- Clemson this weekend, South Carolina on Jan. 17 and Tennessee on Jan. 24. According to Craig [Washington, Quinton's father], Michigan has set the visit-bar very high for those schools.
"I think for Michigan, being first was great," he said. "I am going to have schools that are going to have a lot of stuff to live up to. I don't know if anyone can do that. Honestly, I think Michigan has got just as good a chance as anybody right now."
Hard to parse that last quote: "I don't know if anyone can live up to his Michigan visit… they've got, eh, a chance." My general impression of the internet's general impression is that South Carolina is a slight favorite, but the internet isn't sure about that.
NC OL Travis Bond keeps waiting, but other schools aren't. Our semi-regular source on North Carolina recruiting chips in with this:
NC State is done with OL recruiting. They're out. Source said that Bond had been a silent commitment to UNC for a couple of weeks and would make it official after his 1/16 visit.
How in the hell UNC plans on fitting all these guys on campus, let alone in this recruiting class, remains unknown, but I'm sure it's totally on the up-and-up.
Finally, I have a well-elucidated stance on OH OL Marcus Hall: I will believe he is at Michigan when he is a redshirt sophomore living on Geddes. But I will point out that he did in fact take an official to Michigan and there is now a GBW article up from them asking "is there a new #1 for Hall?" and the answer to these questions is always yes. And then I'll point out that PA CB Corey Brown called Michigan his leader and then visited OSU and committed, surprising no one. Recruits will often shade their answers to please the person interviewing them. It's human nature.
But Bill Kurelic is a major Ohio State booster and, well:
Earlier today I posted the information about Marcus Hall after his visit to Michigan. Hall said the Wolverines may have pulled into a slight lead over Ohio State with Miami next.
Could this be something here? I'm not getting my hopes up but it's taking a bit more effort than it used to. One of the BuckeyePlanet mods says "think Campbell," FWIW, clearly implying that the shift in favorites is for drama only.
(Kurelic on a couple more visitors:
DE Sam Montgomery (S.C) told me Michigan is now in the race after his visit to Michigan, but he still has trips set to North Carolina, LSU and Tennessee.
QB Denard Robinson (Fla.) was impressed with Michigan, but did not commit. He says he is considering Michigan, Florida, Georgia and Kansas State.
Is that bad news on Montgomery since it's not as positive? Eh, maybe not, since the really good quote from Montgomery was given to a local reporter. It could be a representation of how negative Kurelic tends to be about Michigan and that means we're definitely getting Hall(!). Or it could just be way, way too much read into a random statement. (Hint: the latter.))
I just talked to Travante Stallworth, and he was very excited about the visit. Terrence Robinson was his host, and thought he was a cool guy. Travante has seen snow before, and watched the snowball fight. He said the best part for him was how family oriented everyone was, especially the coaches. He felt very comfortable with all the players, and more importantly the coaches. …
He said that all the recruits that were there were all excited to be there, and they all had an awesome time. He said, "We all talked among ourselves about a few things," and he felt like the vibe was good.
I've been optimistic about Stallworth since Tom's interview earlier, but Auburn hired Gus Malzahn in the meantime—defying Chizik's previous claim to be a "smashmouth" devotee—and is a more serious threat than they were before.
Stokes will make official visits to Michigan the weekend of Jan. 16 and Illinois the weekend of Jan. 23.
“I’m going to try and squeeze in Penn State,” Stokes said. “I won’t take more than four visits. The other school is Georgia, but right now it looks like Penn State will be the fourth visit if I take a fourth one.”
On the other hand, that does sound pretty good for Michigan. Stokes seems leery of Tennessee now they've dumped both their quarterback recruits—and have no one in last year's class to boot—which would leave Illinois as the only real competition if Stokes doesn't take a fourth visit.
Etc.: Yet another Campbell commit article. PA LB Dan Mason (no offer) "pretty much down to Pitt and West Virginia". No mention of M in this article on AL LB Tana Patrick. LA LB Barkevious Mingo has a coach; said coach believes he's going to LSU.
This is shaping up to be an interesting end to the recruiting season.
I wonder if RR shows recruits this video and tells them their nuts will be more happy in A2 than anywhere else.
But, I think you give the most concise, levelheaded information on the current crop of visitors. It would be nice to get Sam and Marcus but I still think it is unlikely. Mingo definitely doesn't look promising, I don't think I've been able to find one not cookie cutter quote from the guy. *shrugs* as it is the life to be a fan of the Wolverines.
UM's likely starter in 2009 will be Threet, then Forcier.
Given the already well-documented evidence that Threet's elbow is really a grenade with the pin pulled out, I don't think UM can rely on Forcier in year 1 to stay healthy either.
Sheridan is Sheridan. Michigan needs another QB in this class. I don't agree with wait and see and rely on Devin Gardner to commit next fall.
I really just wish Denard Robinson would study the UM QB depth chart for 2 seconds so that a lightbulb would pop up over his head and he'd commit immediately.
The other school on Robinson's list, notably Georgia, will have some openings at QB too next year, and Florida has Tebow returning in 2009. Michigan has a chance and that chance improved due to Robinson's visit IMO.
I agree on the deductions regarding Marcus Hall. OSU has 24 commits. The remaining scholie is not for CB Mike Edwards. It's for Mr. Hall. I hope I'm wrong and that Hall picks Michigan.
3 and 1/2 weeks to go, 20 commits and Michigan's class looks pretty strong. I get the feeling that UM will unfortunately finish weaker than they did a year ago, behind both Ohio State and Penn State in terms of class ranking by Scout/Rivals.
I was wondering if you have heard anything about AJ Westendorp,a QB from Holland Christian (Holland, MI), coming in next year. He broke 3 or 4 state records in the division 4 state championship this year in route to Holland Christian beating Detroit Country Day 35-20. I think he would be a great fit for Michigan especially with their QB issues now.
I believe Rich Rod was interested in bringing him in as a preferred walk-on, but, not as a scholarship player. I think Westendorp will end up on a MAC team on scholarship.
established himself on 1/12/09, just like, whoa, you, Jaraak. This "westendorp" poster starts a thread viciously attacks Brian by comparing him to Drew Sharp (I can't think of a more vicious attack). Poster "westendorp" proceeds to make a total, utter fool of himself and proceeds to get banned.
And here is poster "jaraak," again, also establishing himself on, on 1/12/09 puts up a comment on how great an in-state never-referred to (on this site) QB by the name of Westendorp! Hmmmmmm.
Who are you jaraak, westendorp's girlfriend or something?
I love the guys who said they really liked the "family feel" after their visits. Eat your heart out, Justin Boren.
I'm pretty certain many of these kids were influenced by the ridiculous attention Will Campbell received when he kept people in suspense... The skeptic in me thinks they may be messing with the services for the fun of it. Hopefully, we pull SM or MH but I'm still not betting on it.
When I covered recruiting, one of the most insipid comments that I had to hear every...damn...year was "I'm going to shock the world!"
Hello, John Linebacker. How was your trip to Tennessee? Glad to hear it. Do you have any leaders, any clue where you're going to school?
"I know where I'm going, but I'm going to announce on signing day. I'm going to shock the world!"
Every. Damn. Year.
I asked that one of the top OL in the country one year and got that answer. Then he signed with Ohio State. Shocking. Wow, who could ever imagine a top OL prospect signing with Ohio State? That's like finding out that water runs downhill or something.
I wanted so badly to ask these kids, "Do you really think the world gives a crap what you do? Seriously...do you even think that college football fans care what you do? There are about five people paying attention right now and you and I are two of them."
They usually do whatever the people before them did. When the first guy had three hats on the podium and chose one, suddenly, everybody had to have three hats at their signing day PC. When the first guy put on one hat and then said, "Psych!" and switched hats, all of a sudden everyone else wanted to do that.
as likely as Steve Sarkisian being our HC. Or Jim Herrmann being the new DC.
I read in someone's comments (TVH?) that Hall was asking his UM host about how they dealt with the pressure from others in Ohio to go to OSU.
If that's true, then I think his interest in UM is sincere and not an attempt to generate drama.
That does not mean he will commit to UM, but it means that it's probably a tough decision for him that will come down to the wire. We'll just have to wait and see.