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Monday Recruitin'

By Brian — July 21st, 2008 at 1:12 PM — 26 comments
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  • kevin newsome
  • recruiting roundup
  • rumormongering is what the internets are for
  • Notre Dame

Update 7/21: Linked to articles on MS S Dennis Thames, FL LB Brandin Hawthorne, MD RB Tavon Austin, GA LB Devekeyan Lattimore, TX S Rex Burkhead, NJ DE Anthony LaLota, various pieces on SC DE Chris Bonds. And more fun Newsome stuff, plus rumor-mongering of a bogus variety.

Re-added SC RB David Sims.

Removed AZ DT Corey Adams (dropped us), MD CB Travis Hawkins (Maryland), VA RB David Wilson (VT), IN OL Zach Martin (ND).

Editorial Opinion: Recruiting Board lives here.

Everybody thought IN OL Zach Martin was going to visit Michigan, then decide, but instead he committed to Notre Dame. This has been an unfortunately common occurrence over the last few years. Geniunely Sarcastic has the details; suffice it to say the scoreboard since 2006 is ND 9, Michigan 1. This overstates things since it doesn't include the likes of Dann O'Neill or Ricky Barnum, who are widely regarded to be players at least equal to the ten players fought over here, but it's a concern.

GS goes for the soothing balm of Dan Mozes, the two-star West Virginia center who became a four-year starter, All-American, and Rimington winner. I'm more circumspect. All-Americans and Rimington Award winners are picked by the media, who know f-all about offensive linemen, and when you've got a four year starter on a team that runs for 300 yards a game he's going to get fawned over whether he deserves it or not. See: Matt Lentz, All Big Ten 2005. Mozes went undrafted by the NFL and was cut in training camp by the Vikings. In all probability he was massively overhyped.

What does suit as balm: Weis' remarkable ability to turn a line not far off Michigan's last year in terms of recruiting hype and returning experience into the worst unit in the country and possibly the worst unit of the decade.

Other stuff: NJ DE Anthony LaLota is listing a number of schools that are all excellent academically, including Michigan. However, he's visited five of his leaders and has a trip planned to a sixth (Penn State) this weekend. Michigan not so much:

"I haven't had a chance to visit Michigan yet and I don't know too much about the new coaches," he said. "I'm really looking forward to getting to know them better. I think they'll do great and I really expect them to have a great season."

If he visits, then we might have a shot; for now we're just hanging on.

MS S Dennis Thames, nephew of Detroit Tiger Marcus Thames, had a lot of positive things to say about Michigan after his visit...

"It was like a dream come true," Thames said of his time at Michigan. "Everything I'm looking for in a college, Michigan had it. Education-wise, everything up there is professional. They know what they're doing. If football doesn't work, they make sure you get your education."

Based on what Thames witnessed in the weight room, he believes the Wolverines know what they're doing when it comes to training, as well.

"Mike Barwis -- that's an awesome dude," he said about Michigan's new strength and conditioning coordinator. "I'd say about 25 pro football players were there. He was helping them work out. It was awesome. He took me through some drills showing me how they do it up there."

... but he's backed off the assertion he made whilst in the Tigers locker room that Michigan leads:

As for his college choice, Thames said, "I will say Michigan is in my top three with Mississippi State and Auburn."

Mississippi State, bizarrely as ever, remains the biggest threat.

FL LB Brandin Hawthorne has five finalists and plans on " committing" August 30th; Michigan is regarded the favorite. Cause of scare quotes:

ESPN 150 Watch Lister Brandin Hawthorne will choose between South Florida, West Virginia, Michigan, Tennessee and Louisville during an Aug. 30th game against Olive Branch (Miss.) to be televised on ESPN, affiliate Web site InsideTheU.com reports.
Hawthorne will then take official visits to all those schools except South Florida and will travel to Iowa State instead.
Last season, the 6-foot-1, 181-pounder racked up more than 80 tackles, 28 tackles for loss and nine sacks.

And by "commit" we mean "announces early leader." And by "five finalists" we mean "six finalists."

GA LB Devekeyan (or "Dede") Lattimore says Michigan is a slight leader:

"I love the tradition at Michigan and they have some good new coaches that are really going to be changing things up," he said. "I like coach Rich Rodriguez and it really impressed me that he was one of the few head coaches (and UCF) that offered me himself. That meant a lot."

Lattimore is a three star with one other big offer, that from Clemson.

And, finally, what would a recruiting post be without more discussion of VA QB Kevin Newsome's status? It would be shorter. Anyway, Josh Helmholdt put up an innocuous story on the Free Press site headlined something like "Michigan's quarterback issues are temporary" that one of the OMG HITS editors at the Free Press changed to "If Kevin Newsome bolts, Michigan has a contingency plan." This set off a completely predictable mini-sitewar between Scout and Rivals with Scout touting Sam Webb's recent conversation(?) with the Newsomes and claiming 1) Newsome was totally solid and 2) if Newsome did end up decommiting it was Helmholdt's fault for writing that article. Helmholdt, for his part, has been writing articles that can be retitled "If Kevin Newsome bolts..." and include references to Jason Forcier and Eugene Smith. Read between the lines.

My contribution: a man named "Crotch Bat." A reader sends along this thread from Something Awful's "Sports Argument Stadium" in which a VT fan/insider(?) says thusly:

What I'm hearing is that Kevin Newsome is all but gone from Michigan and that scenario will play out sooner rather than later. Look for VT and PSU to be in the thick of it for him.

Again, don't shoot the messenger but like I said, none of this stuff is going away and I hear new stuff more and more.

Reasons to give this more credence than you would to your average random internet rumor? Well, there is the claim of deep insider info and the generalized respect shown this guy, who's been posting at SA since 2003. The emailer comments:

I tend to believe him because in the few years I've been reading that forum, he has always been there and is consistently a knowledgeable, intelligent poster.

A reason to disregard: even if he's got the info he claims it's coming from the VT side of things and may be biased or just incorrect. Also: "Crotch Bat." Also also: there was another Rivals even this weekend that was attended by both Bryce McNeal and Newsome; McNeal, at least, didn't detect any floppiness. As always, I throw up my hands and say "hell if I know."

Etc.: TX S Rex Burkhead doesn't mention Michigan here; longshot.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 6:02 PM #1
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we need a couple of early enrollee's to fill up last year's class so we can take another full 25 and get the scholarship numbers up to the limit. Yah we're the anti-alabama.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 4:26 PM #2
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Has Beaver taken his trip to
Has Beaver taken his trip to AA this summer? How did it go? I never heard any quotes or anything.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 4:51 PM #3
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and loved it, unfortunately he had to hurry home to summer school...he's enrolling early

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 5:06 PM #4
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I was thinking the same thing
I was thinking the same thing - we haven't heard anything new news about Beaver lately, even though he very well may end up being better than Newsome.  Great news that he's enrolling early, it makes this whole Newsome drama that much less important.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 3:54 PM #5
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IMO, if you're looking for
IMO, if you're looking for who should reap the credit for WVU's extremely good offensive line, despite it being made up of 2-star players, you should probably look to one of two people: 1. The person that recruited them (maybe they were diamonds in the rough 2. The person who coached them. In both cases, that's probably Greg Frey.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 3:10 PM #6
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Yeah Eslinger was the dude I was thinking of - thanks.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:47 PM #7
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Forcier or Newsome doesn't
Forcier or Newsome doesn't really matter for me, as long as I get to wear my "I cheer for Shav'd Beaver!" shirt. If that kid de-committed I'd switch alliances just to be able to wear that shirt. Well, ok, only if it was Texas. Everyone else could go fuck themselves.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 7:03 PM #8
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printed up in every color.  That way I'm good to go, no matter where he ends up.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:46 PM #9
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don't listen to any of that garbage coming from so-called VT insiders. if he's gonna decommit, he's one hell of an actor because he spoke at length with bryce mcneal about michigan this weekend and has spent the whole time trying to convince guys to commit to Michigan, especially shaq evans. why would he do that if he was gonna leave UM? does that make any sense to you? didn't we also here from "insider" mexman and eerhole that RR was staying put? come on man

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:56 PM #10
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Completely agree
Whoever that is is full of more hot air than the U.S. Senate (or a hot air balloon, which, as we all know, has a lot of hot air in it.) Newsome hasn't even given a whisper of interest in Tech. Tech's coaches aren't recruiting him hard or even at all -- they don't "poach" when someone's given a verbal. The only pressure on him might be from his brother, who wants to go to Tech himself. I'd like to see Newsome come to Tech, but it's not going to happen. Frankly, we've got a hell of a lot more positions that need rebuilding, and quarterback is one of the only really secure positions for the immediate future. Even if Tech coaches were willing to recruit kids who have already given their verbal somewhere else, there are other positions that need help first. That's where the effort should and probably is going. I'm not an "insider," nor do I claim to be one, but use common sense for crying out loud. A kid who didn't even bother coming to a camp isn't that high on the recruiting list.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 3:06 PM #11
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Full of more hot air than anything?
That would be Charlie Weis, sir.  As you may know, I am working on getting "weis" into the Webster dictionary as a word for "a vessel full of hot air, susceptible to imploding as well as exploding."

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 6:00 PM #12
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try the urban dictionary first
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:41 PM #13
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Mozes reminds me of that
Mozes reminds me of that center (name escapes me) who was dominant in Minniesota's zone blocking scheme a few years back, solid player who fit had a nice niche - but was not NFL material.  I think it was Eslinger. Seems like the Minn linemen can end up in Denver or no where, but i'd take that kind of college lineman for this scheme anyday.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:38 PM #14
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But then what would I do all day at work?
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:33 PM #15
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Honestly, I sort of wish that we could go back to the days where we didn't know anything about incoming freshmen until they were on campus for fall practice. Even 10 years ago, all I knew about incoming freshmen were local kids or conversations like "hey, I heard we got a good running back", etc... All this hype and speculation and message board rumors just is not good at any level, for the kid or the university. However, this is probably an impossibility at this stage and I understand how curious recruiting can be for fans/vital for the program. Just my thought for the day I guess.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 3:58 PM #16
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I covered recruiting for a living back in the 20th century. When I started in 1990, there was hardly anyone else doing it. Newspapers might have one guy who covered recruiting, but that was usually limited to a couple of articles here and there and a big write-up on national signing day. I'm in North Carolina, so much of the recruiting hullaballoo was reserved for basketball. Obviously, when a prep all-american chose UNC, Dook, or NC State, it warranted from page coverage. That's been true going back to the 1970s when the likes of David Thompson and Phil Ford were being recruited.  In football, the state's two biggest papers (the Raleigh News and Observer and the Charlotte Observer) would do top-25 lists and maybe a bit of recruiting news to flesh out some inside page in Sports. My first paid piece was a profile on Lee Becton (Notre Dame) from Vanceboro, NC. He was shocked that I had come down to watch his offseason workouts and talk to him about his college choice. No one else had covered it. I got good answers to my questions. He was frank and very honest.  These days, the kids are getting more calls from recruiting publications than they are from college coaches. They get so many calls that they're like the actors on the red carpet at a movie premiere...bored silly and spitting out pre-digested answers. Their "leader" is whoever is asking them the question and half of them are going to "shock the world" on signing day (as though the world gave a damn).  I enjoyed covering it. I got to meet a lot of interesting people (Heath Shuler, Trot Nixon) and got paid to visit a lot of places I'd normally never go (some were nice, like Avon, CT, and some were....not. Like Patterson, NJ).  I got out before it really blew up. It's a very different world today.  For those who really crave offseason recruiting news, I would offer one bit of caution -- the people who run the offseason combines for recruits rarely know what they are doing. I watched a 6-7 quarterback (Drew Williamson) get measured by a Nike employee in Chapel Hill and they listed him as 6-1. Those same employees measured the 5-9 Mike Mason (UNC) as 6-3. And the 40 "times" are old guys with bad eyesight holding a stop watch. So...don't get too worked up over sub-4.4 times or your star running back breaking out a 4.8.  
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 5:32 PM #17
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Thanks for your perspective and even though I am no expert in yesterday's or today's recruiting, what you said about actors on the red carpet rings true in my head.  My problem is that some of these kids think they are stars before they ever step foot on campus.  They are sort of mini celebraties.  Maybe that's how I just perceive it, but I think times have changed a bit in that respect.  BTW, I just recently moved to north carolina, in winston-salem, and love it.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 3:12 PM #18
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I agree wholeheartedly.  The whole thing has gotten out of control, even though I am addicted to following it (not addicted enough to shell out money for a subscription to Rivals or Scout).  A bit of news is like a hit of the addictive drug for the consumers, and it just has unhealthy ramifications for college athletics in general.  I mean, how many people were waiting day and night just for Terrelle Pryor, a HS student, to hold a press conference just to announce that he was unsure of his decision?  Another noteworthy example is RoJo.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:33 PM #19
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OL recruiting will struggle
I think that our days as a leading destination for highly-ranked OL (which was starting to decline during the Moeller tenure) are over, at least for a while. While the new S&C regimen is going to pay dividends in recruiting most of the of skill positions, I bet that a large majority of the hulking 300lb kids in HS who are thinking seriously of the NFL will avoid Michigan, if for no other reason that they do not want to do all the running RR's new scheme—not to mention Barwis—will demand of them. None of them will say this straight out, of course. If RR manages to put together some dominant teams this will change, but until he has had the opportunity to do so a lot of guys are going to opt for programs with more comfortable and familiar approaches to offense and S&C.
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 3:14 PM #20
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I hate to continue on the
I hate to continue on the Barwis buzz harshing, but his program isn't all that different in terms of work from what many many other college programs do. His demeanor, and therefore his appeal to fans and recruits, may be more intense, but I assure you the work isn't more difficult than any of the other big time programs that have been winning titles and bowl games lately. No lineman with serious aspirations on the NFL is passing us up because there is "too much running".

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 2:29 PM #21
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What about: "Out with the
What about: "Out with the Old, in with the Newsome." Symbolic and Witty at the same time. Anybody?
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If Newsome keeps his
If Newsome keeps his commitment, does that mean that Brian is going to lose out on all of the revenue that he would have made selling "Secretary of Tate" shirts?

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 1:55 PM #23
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OMG why does it have to be 39 more days until we get to see the "new" Michigan on the field?!?!?!?
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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 1:38 PM #24
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Dan Mozes was a great lineman at WVU, was he an Orlando Pace-type dominant force - no, but I think it is going to far to say he was massively overhyped. He was an undersized lineman who excelled in the spread option scheme, I don't think there is much room in the NFL for these types of guys, thats why he didn't make the league. Mozes reminds me of that center (name escapes me) who was dominant in Minniesota's zone blocking scheme a few years back, solid player who fit had a nice niche - but was not NFL material.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 1:33 PM #25
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Don't ever believe anything that comes from that hugbox, aspergers infested, hell-hole that is SA.

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Posted on: July 21st, 2008 at 1:32 PM #26
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Just to clarify: I didn't
Just to clarify: I didn't mention O'Neill or Barnum in my GS post because as far as I know they weren't offered by the fat man. The 10 players I mentioned were pursued by both schools. For the record, I'll take O'Neill over any of them, with the possible exception of Trevor Robinson.  Oh, and dammit, don't tear down my Dan Mozes gloryfest!

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