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By Brian — June 30th, 2008 at 10:51 AM — 55 comments
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Update 6/30: Moved IN LB Jordan Barnes and TX WR Dewayne Peace to committed. Linked to articles on FL WR Rantavious Wooten, OK RB David Oku, FL RB Vincent Smith, VA QB Kevin Newsome (second)... and here's a big long one on Newsome.

Added TX CB Demontre Hurst.

Removed NC CB Terry Shankle (dropped us, via VB), PA CB Corey Brown(OSU), PA DE Tyrone Ezell (droppes us).

I'm not adding this OL yet but he does have offers from Iowa and Rutgers and says a Michigan offer equals a commit; might bear watching.

Editorial Opinion:  The big news of the week was covered in a midweek article the daya fter Peace and Barnes committed; what's left over is more Newsome worry:

He talked about his performance. He talked about
his transfer from Western Branch (Chesapeake, Va.) to prep-school
powerhouse Hargrave Military Academy this fall and how it will help him
develop as a quarterback and a man. But the one thing he didn't want to
talk about was his commitment to Michigan.

"No comment," Newsome said when he was asked about that commitment.

"No comment" seems like a hell of a comment in this instance. He bears watching. As mentioned earlier, the Hargrave move should help keep Newsome in the fold, as Hargrave's coach, Robert Prunty, knows where his bread is buttered and prohibits already-committed prospects from dealing with coaches while at school. Thus the steady stream of not-quite-qualfied guys that wander through a postgrad year at Hargrave relatively safe from the predations of other gentlemen.

Prunty's staying out of this one, though:

"The bottom line is, where the kid goes is his family's decision,"
said Prunty, who went to Chatham High School when Newsome's mother was
at Gretna. "I'm here to support the family. All I know is that the kid
is committed to Michigan. I have no part in the recruiting process with
this kid. We have not talked about it."

Developments will be relayed as they, uh, develop.

Don't want him get Forcier rabble rabble?

I copped out in last week's post about the QB situation, claiming that anyone and everyone would be fine, but if I was in a Rich Rodriguez version of Being John Malkovich and had to choose, I'd take Newsome. Former Tennessee QB Tee Martin has him down, IMO:

"When I got to college I learned more about being a total quarterback,
and it worked out for me. I kind of see that situation with [Newsome]
not having a QB coach [in high school]. … He's the kind of kid who will
get to college, gets coached up and gets into a system where he winds
up being really good."

Newsome is a state-champion hurdler and sprinter who started off the year as a top-20 player and five star because of his athleticism. Each rankings revision since has seen him drop as he performs erratically at passing camps and combines, reportedly because he's attempting to change the accurate-but-long release he showed at the Army Combine to a shorter one.

If he's lagging behind some other guys at the moment, there's good reason -- poor or even no coaching thus far. He retains the upside that got him so highly-rated to start and the Hargrave move indicates a seriousness about improving.

Forcier, on the other hand, comes from a wealthy family of quarterbacks and has received intensive QB training for a long time now. It's reasonable to assume he's further along in his potential and would not improve as quickly as Newsome once on campus.

Non-quarterbacks, and by "non-quarterbacks" we mean "5'8" guys":

Pahokee RB Vincent Smith -- from the same high school as Martavious Odoms and, yes, another one of those electron sorts -- says it's "a little devastating" the instate schools have little interest in him and plans a three-school swing pretty soon:

''[When I got] my first offer from Michigan,'' Smith said, ``I knew then I was going to be good.''

How
good? That's to be determined. Smith said he will visit Michigan,
Tennessee and Minnesota in one swing this summer, the first time he has
been to any of those campuses.

He hopes to pick one of those --
or another school -- soon after. Whichever his running back chooses,
Thompson said, it should be a good fit.

''If somebody puts him in the spread offense,'' Thompson said, ``he'll be successful.''

Smith is listed at 5'9" but that may be a couple inches generous. Michigan is still looking for one more slot/RB type; past that even I'm going to look askance on anyone shorter than 5'9" not named "Boubacar Cissoko."

Speaking of diminutive running backs, it appears OK RB David Oku's top five may be more of a top three with chasers: 

Oku planning officials: After previously saying he would likely take unofficial visits to Michigan, Illinois and several other schools this summer, Carl Albert running back David Oku has decided to skip the unofficials and take official visits this fall.

Oku said he will definitely take official visits to Tennessee, Florida State and Michigan during football season.

Nebraska and Illinois are the other schools in Oku's top five. USC and Ohio State have not offered Oku and have fallen out of his top five.

Oku was a childhood fan of Florida State and has repeatedly said that depth charts matter quite a bit to him; they are probably your tentative favorite.

Aaand how about one more? FL WR Rantavious Wooten has an awesome name and some impressive offers:

Wooten said he now favors LSU slightly over Miami, West Virginia, Michigan and Georgia. He's claiming all have offered as well as Auburn, Tennessee, UCF, South Florida and Rutgers, among others.

Michigan gets some mention after LSU and Miami; an official visit seems likely.

Brief notes: as suspected, the Michigan "lead" for PA CB Corey Brown was totally hypothetical: he committed to Ohio State. IL OL Chris Watt dropped Michigan, which is disappointing. FL S Mike Jones($, info in header) is visiting ND and M, his leaders, as we speak; AZ DE Craig Roh($, you know the drill) just got done visiting.

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June 30th, 2008 at 10:55 AM | First - just isn't the same (Score:1)
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:53 PM | stt (Score:0)
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:00 AM | Color me not worried about (Score:1)
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Color me not worried about the Newsome situation. For starters, my coffee was laced with maize and blue kool aid this morning. Seriously, it seems like RR is going after multiple QBs, and we will make do with those who choose to come here. Virginia Tech will make another strong run at Newsome. Those of us who want Newsome to sign on our dotted line might want to keep an eye on Tyrod Taylor's development in Blacksburgh this fall. If he cant wrestle the job away from Glennon, it would not shock me to see Newsome head to Tech. All things being equal, I would be stoked if his verbal comment leads to a LOI. I am sold on his ability, as I am, however, with Beaver and Forcier.

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June 30th, 2008 at 11:06 AM | I'm just releived someone (Score:0)
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I'm just releived someone didn't snake my name out from under me. I dropped my class year to avoid being dubbed an oldfuck. Anyway, I'm excited for a receiving/runninng back corps. that's not tall enough to ride Space Mountain at Disney.
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:15 AM | Oh Chitown, come on now, its (Score:1)
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Oh Chitown, come on now, its not all about size is it? Wont Barwis make all these guys stronger and 6-2 or taller!?!?! You have to admit, however, that this year's incoming freshmen and the prospects for next year's class represent about as fast as a group of kids as we've ever hauled in.

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June 30th, 2008 at 11:21 AM | dfsgfgds (Score:0)
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Wheres the link for the recruiting board?

Can you make comments more compact?

Need to put some color behind the post title to make it stand out.

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June 30th, 2008 at 11:15 AM | There's no permalink to the (Score:0)
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There's no permalink to the Recruiting Board. You should make it more obvious. Also - I'd prefer if each entry was separated by some sort of divider, or contained in a box.
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:21 AM | RichRod can have some coffee after... (Score:0)
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He signs 1 (or preferably 2) DEs. Coffee is for closers, Rich...get a DE to sign on the line that is dotted. I know some people want to be sensible and not panic until after Signing Day, but I say fuck sensible- I'm panicking now. Who else wants to hyperventilate into a paper bag and mindlessly scream? Who's with me on NOT procrastinating on panicking? (oh, and this is cfaller96, BTW)
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:23 AM | Subject (Score:1)
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I'm excited for our WRs to deploy the rarely seen "run between the CBs legs and climb on his back" route.

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June 30th, 2008 at 11:33 AM | The Board (Score:1)
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Sorry if I'm the only idiot, but where can I find a link to the 2009 recruiting board either in this post or on the new home page?
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:34 AM | recruiting board (Score:1)
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There needs to be a link to the recruiting board on the new site (probably under "Useful Stuff").
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:39 AM | recruiting board (Score:1)
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That's a good idea.  I think the old link on the left sidebar in MGoBricks.  Links to the updated board in each Monday Recruin' post would be nice if it's not too much trouble.
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:41 AM | QB's and Skill Positions (Score:1)
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I like Newsome and think he will be a star at Michigan if he keeps developing his QB skills. I would feel much more comforatble with more DT, DE, OL commits. My hope is we only sign a couple more skill positions guys.

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:45 PM | I'll take an order of Newsome... (Score:1)
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Cincy,

If given a choice between Newsome, Forcier and Beaver, I'll take Newsome.  The kid was in contention to be his class valedictorian, he is incredibly athletic, and seems to be doing everything he can to improve his skills.  My take on Forcier is that he is the younger version of Threet.  I think that Threet will be a workable QB and may surprise some people, but Newsome brings physical tools that Forcier can't, all while still being very smart.  (The fact that Newsome and Threet are smart kids / good students scores a lot of points in my evaluation as the most important ability for a QB is to analyze a situation and react accordingly.)

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:53 PM | Whoa. (Score:1)
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Forcier and Threet are completely different QB's.  Threet is 6'6" (right?) and not much of a runner, whereas Forcier is noticeably shorter and rated as a dual-threat QB according to rivals, which speaks to his athleticism/running ability.  Threet has little of that, I think it's way off to consider those two even similar.
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June 30th, 2008 at 1:02 PM | WolvinLA, Let me clarify my (Score:1)
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WolvinLA,

Let me clarify my point.  Both Threet and Forcier were/are top rated recruits for their given year.  I may have undersold Forcier's athletic ability, but he is clearly not Newsome.  And Threet did run the spread in high school, so may not be as much of a Navarre-type statue as the MSM would lead us to believe. 

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:18 PM | agreed (Score:0)
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I agree with your reasoning on this one. Newsome is a very smart kid, who posesses the most athleticism of any QB outside of Russell Shephard in this year's class. He has far more upside, IMO, than does Forcier.

I think situations like this one with Newsome might be nagging us until Coach Rod can prove that he can develop QBs into those whom will play in the NFL as QBs; I think the uncertainty of how he will be used and how his talent will develop is the reason for Newsome's unease.

Not to mention that it's a near-certainty that other coaches are feeding him a line of BS which is something along the lines of "Pat White will be a WR in the NFL. Do you want that to happen to you? Have some money and think it over."

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:29 PM | agreed (Score:1)
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I think you're right when you say that you'd rather have Newsome. He is a very smart kid, who would likely be able to learn the offense quickly and make the right reads - which is crucial - once he has done so. He is also more athletic than any other QB in this class, aside from Russell Shephard, and has a lot of upside IMO.

If you as me, I think we might see some QB prospects like Newsome waver in their commitment to us in the next couple of years. Newsome is somewhat of a unique case because he considers himself a passing QB who just happens to be a track star; Beaver and Forcier consider themselves true dual-threat QBs. Newsome's concern is likely that he will not be utilized as a passing QB in Coach Rod's offense - he doesn't want to be a Pat White. The problem is that RR has no track record AT MICHIGAN in which he has produced a QB who is capable of playing that position in the NFL.

And I'm sure other coaches are telling Newsome that he will never pass for more than 1,700 in a season and will be drafted as a WR if he goes to Michigan. Hopefully our snake oil is of a higher quality.

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June 30th, 2008 at 11:48 AM | yo (Score:0)
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anybody having trouble signing up/ posting/ doing anything?
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:50 AM | Cincy, I agree about the (Score:1)
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Cincy, I agree about the D-line, but I am not as concerned yet about the lack of OL commits in the 2009 class. We will have a very young OL this season. All our starters will have at least one more year left, if not two. Plus, I am really stoked about the freshmen OL coming in. Really think Barnum, Mealor and, of course, O'Neil will be the anchors of the line from 2009 to 2011. You can never have enough OL, so I hope he keeps recruiting the position, but I think we're already better off long term along the OL front right now than we are on the DL front.

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:07 PM | I'm Confused (Score:1)
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What he said.

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:09 PM | No Baseball? (Score:1)
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Does this mean we can't talk baseball anymore?

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:13 PM | Subject (Score:1)
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Yes. That's exactly what it means.

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:54 PM | We can talk baseball just not (Score:1)
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We can talk baseball just not after the recruiting post.  I think.  Off-topic stuff goes in on the MGoBoard, where we can all expound on the virtues of the Dyson Wondervacuum 3000, goat pron, and baseball.  I think.

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:19 PM | I've only got like 15 brain (Score:1)
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I've only got like 15 brain cells that I can dedicate to internet communication protocol, so this is not ideal.

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:40 PM | Trudat, Dex, but on the (Score:1)
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Trudat, Dex, but on the upside it looks like we're getting more participation now, so either you have more chances to make friends or most likely more people to alienate.   I wonder though- will we get chastized for talking football on the open section of the board?

 And personally I've been a Forcier guy, but I think you guys are swaying me.  Hey Waymen- Do I get my Newsome Mafia library card revoked for that?

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:46 PM | no on the chastizement (Score:1)
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MGoBoard is for anything and everything now, including football and the like. If that becomes unmanageable, there will be a Michigan sports board and an offtopic board. And a little bit of waver in the comments is fine, but not the stream-of-consciousness stuff that often bloated comment threads. I want to participate in the comments, and on the old site it wasn't an efficient use of time I would like it to be efficient here.

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June 30th, 2008 at 2:42 PM | Agree (Score:1)
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Brian,

 I just want to indicate I agree with you.  The comments used to be very useful but after the coaching search, they just became unmanageable.  This should help.

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:22 PM | Content (Score:0)
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Is there going to be anything on the Barwis S&C camp that was on Saturday? Also - MSC reports we may lose a DT to grades, any truth to this?

 Awesome.  It says Anonymous Coward as promised. Can I register that name?

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:36 PM | test (Score:1)
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This is a test of the emergency posting system. This is only a test.
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:37 PM | "MGoBricks" will show up in "Useful Stuff" (Score:1)
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Brian has not ported the Recruiting Board over yet.
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:48 PM | I found a link to the post, (Score:1)
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I found a link to the post, but it doesn't look like it's updated.
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:52 PM | wghat (Score:0)
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:54 PM | Winston (Score:1)
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I was really hoping to hear some news about CB Darius Wintson. It seemed like he was very high on Michigan when he decommited to Arkansas. I guess no news is good news at this point.

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:32 PM | Things on Winston have been (Score:1)
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Things on Winston have been (oddly?) quiet ever since he de-committed from Arkansas and named us his leader.  There was even mention of it on the Scout boards this week, just about the complete lack of new info.

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June 30th, 2008 at 12:54 PM | I think we have a good chance (Score:1)
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I think we have a good chance at Oku. Florida State hasn't had a 1000 yard rusher in the last 8 years. Tennessee picked up Jarvis Giles, Rival's #2 all purpose back. Oku is Rival's #1 all purpose back. Nebraska is going to take several years to rebuild. Illinois is prolly our top competition, since they just put Mendenhall in 1st round and need a feature back and Zook is a madman when it comes to recruiting. So yeah, we'll see but I think we are looking good with him.
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:56 PM | right on right on right arm. (Score:0)
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right on right on right arm.
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:56 PM | right on right on right arm. (Score:0)
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right on right on right arm.
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June 30th, 2008 at 1:08 PM | Newsome... (Score:1)
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I'm not really comfortable with the "no comment" ummmmm comment? Anyway, my personal belief (as well as the belief of others) is that, Forcier will wait it out and if Newsome de-commits I believe that Forcier will be playing football in Ann Arbor. I think that the way Newsome is talking could possibly be playing into what Forcier is deciding. I would love to get Newsome, but Forcier is a great QB. We also have Beaver and Justin Feagin who are not bad themselves. I just hope this doesn't turn into a waiting game.....

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:20 PM | Newsome... (Score:1)
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There is no positive way to read the "No Comment" item with regards to Newsome.  The only reassurance I have is that I do feel confident that we will have two highly regarded QB recruits in the class.

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:41 PM | Newsome No Comment remark (Score:1)
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I read somewhere that said Newsome and his family have grown so weary about people talking about his recruiting process and commitment to Michigan that they are just saying "No Comment" when someone brings up recruiting. No worries, Newsome will be Blue in the end.
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June 30th, 2008 at 1:44 PM | Newsome/Forcier (Score:0)
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If I put myself in Newsome's shoes, I would probably be really annoyed with the daily "So are you still committed to A2" questions... Saying no comment might be better than telling them what he is really thinking of them asking that same question day after day. As far as Forcier - I would tend to agree with others who have said he might be more developed (and thus have less room for improvement) and that Newsome might have more potential in the long run. Also - we have already seen what "good family values" can do with one disgruntled family. What if for some reason he was acting interested in UM to push away other recruits (Newsome), while planning to go somewhere else all along? Although I know lloyd is not rod, but there could be some bitterness still. Not saying it's likely, just that it is possible.
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June 30th, 2008 at 1:53 PM | Newsome/Forcier (Score:1)
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I agree with the idea Newsome is probably tired of hearing "are you still committed to UM?" It seems every single interviewer asks him that. No comment is probably better than what he feels like telling them.

 As far as Forcier - we have already seen what "good family values" can do with one disgruntled family. Isn't there some small chance he is pushing the issue with UM to chase out other QBs? It's not completely implausible considering his brother was basically forced out, even if it was LC and not RR, there might still be some hurt feelings there.

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June 30th, 2008 at 1:59 PM | Brian....... (Score:1)
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June 30th, 2008 at 2:29 PM | The strength of Newsome's committment (Score:1)
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The strength of Newsome's committment will be judged by whether he takes other visits. More importantly, Rodriguez will know how to read the situation and act accordingly.

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June 30th, 2008 at 2:56 PM | Newsome vs. Forcier (Score:1)
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I might be alone but I would rather have the more proven passer (Forcier)with the ability to run rather than the great athlete that is going to have to learn how to throw(Newsome). That's personally me biggest worry with RR, is that he will be recruiting athletes to play quarterback (M. Vick & Juice Williams) and not athletic quarterbacks (Steve Young & McNabb).

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June 30th, 2008 at 3:06 PM | Agree with above (Score:1)
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I would rather see a guy who can throw well and can take off when necessary, maybe even like a Drew Stanton type player, rather than a Pat White type who can't make all the throws.  I think the Big Ten is too good for that to work.  Obviously John Navarre is not who we want, but a little fusion of the two might be right right mix.
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June 30th, 2008 at 3:18 PM | Living behind enemy lines (Score:1)
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Living behind enemy lines here in Ohio is a drag. All the buzz is about their recruiting class, including some insiped propganda piece penned in the Dayton paper last week where their main source is the "recruiting analyst" from the bucknuts. Goes on and on about how A.) the class is 'oh my god totally shirtless' and B.) how it was made at the expense of Michigan with upwards of six head to head recruiting battles going to OSU, not UM. Talk about red meat for the masses. Anyway, its working because all these buckeyes that live around me are already planning championship parades. Here's the link below if anyone can stomach to read it. Personally, I did not think UM was really all that in play with the guys listed. And, yes, so the stud WR from the state of michigan is going to osu, but, ah, we have plenty of those in the fold, so who gives a rip. http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/college/osu/200...

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June 30th, 2008 at 4:19 PM | James Jackson isn't that (Score:1)
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James Jackson isn't that good.  That article makes it seem like stealing him was monumental, when he probably wouldn't have been a contributer at either school.  I kind of expected him to go to MSU.  I don't see James Jackson being a household name in the Big Ten at any point. 
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July 1st, 2008 at 6:00 AM | He is fast but.... (Score:1)
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but is he Michael Shaw fast? 

Everything I have heard or seen on jackson is that he is just another electron sized back/reciever and God knows we already have enough of them.

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