How far did Hopkins's fumble drop him on the depth chart? Its too bad because a lot of people have been high on his potential. But that fumble was brutal. Does he drop below Rawls? Shaw?
News bullets and other important things:
Opening remarks: “Again, as always, thank you for coming out. This is really loud.
“Ahem. It’s good to win football games. It’s bad to lose games, so it was good to win. I thought from a perspective as a team, I thought we played as well as we have to this point for the first quarter and maybe three quarters. Then I think we struggled a little bit for one reason or another from an offensive standpoint. You can’t turn the ball over four times. That does nothing for you as a team, and I thought defensively they hung in there and they played hard. I thought our front played probably their best football to this point of the year.
“It’s got to get much better as we get into Big Ten play offensively. Three-and-outs and turnovers in the third quarter -- time of possession affects your football team in a lot of ways … momentum and all those things. So we have to do a much better job executing and being more consistent blocking at the line of scrimmage. We’ve got a lot of work ahead of us.
“In the kicking game, I thought Matt Wile did a nice job punting the football, and I thought his kickoffs -- he really placed the ball well. He had one kickoff that was in the middle of the field, but everything else I thought he did a tremendous job. And that was a good sign of a guy that’s maturing as a freshman.”
Is Will Hagerup’s suspension over, and does he have to compete to get his position back? “They’ll compete. We’re going to compete in everything we do. I think that’s an important part of your development as a program. I think that’s how you improve as a program. They’ll compete during the week.”
Cam Gordon dressed but did not play -- at this point is it his conditioning or is the injury still affecting him? “I think he’s just not 100% yet. I think he’s just not where he needs to be yet.”
13 for 13 in the Red Zone. What makes you so successful there? “I don’t know if there’s a magical answer. I mean, I think part of it is always you have some pretty good luck. Things are going well. I think we’re blocking it decently. I think the different options that Al presents to some degree within the offense makes [us] a little bit tougher to defend.”
Denard’s incompletions. You said it wasn’t all Denard. When you look at the film did you see problems with other things, too? “It’s definitely not all him. I mean, route running -- we blew two routes. We didn’t convert on another route. That’s part of it. He’s got a lot of pride, and he’s going to also help himself with some of the technical and technique -- fundamental parts of being a little more patient with his feet and doing a good job with that.”
What led to strong start against SDSU, and how do you replicate that? “It’d be great to replicate it every week. I think we had a great week of practice. I think our preparation was good. From a defensive standpoint, they really did a nice job of preparation. I thought Greg did a nice job with the plan, and Al did too.”
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How’s Troy Woolfolk’s ankle? “He ran last night. Did everything we normally do.” Should you maybe not play him too much if he’s not 100%? “I don’t think so. I haven’t see that yet from a coach’s perspective. I think he’s being physical, which is one of the first things when guys are a little beat up that you worry about. But I think he’s being physical. I think he’s doing a nice job of breaking on balls. Fundamentally and with his techniques he’s been pretty good, so I don’t think so.”
Talk about the speed option play? “We’ve worked on that since spring. We’ve run that against each other and it was really [effective] because if they’re going to play a lot of man coverage, which we thought they would, [it] is a way to really back people off from man coverage. Because if you’ve got your pitch man and whoever’s going to take the quarterback -- when you play man and you’re going to blitz, you’ve got to be right.”
What’s your assessment of the Big Ten, and what do you think are your chances of competing? “I haven’t seen a lot, to be honest with you. We pretty much put the blinders on with what we have to do. That’s the truth. It’s a great league. It’s a competitive league, and it has been. This is an important game because it is a league game, and our expectations as a program -- that Brown Jug is pretty important to us. We’d like to keep it here in Ann Arbor. ”
Are you going to do or say anything special to the team about the Brown Jug, being that it is your first trophy game? “We have. We did last night. Again, it’s one of those important traditions when you’re involved with the University of Michigan football team. We talked about the history. We talked about it’s the oldest trophy when you look at trophy games and the history of college football. It was the first. It means an awful lot, and we want to keep it in Ann Arbor.”
How strange is it to play five straight home games? “I don’t know if it’s helped -- it’s always good to play in this stadium with the passionate fans that we have. I don’t know if it’s that much different, and that doesn’t sound quite right, but being home has been great. Has it helped us as a team? Maybe, youth-wise and all that. We like playing here.”
Do you know Coach Kill and can you comment on his situation? “Jerry and I competed against each other at the MAC level. He and his wife Rebecca are two of the finest people you’ll ever be around. Our prayers for him and his family are there. He’s a great person and a terrific coach.”
Talk about Jeremy Gallon as a punt returner and as a wide receiver? “He’s very consistent. He does it all in practice and all that kind of stuff. He’s real consistent. I think he has a real feel for it, hand-eye coordination and all those things that go along with it. We’re real comfortable with him being back there. We were about a block away from springing him again for a decent return. I think that all will happen. I think that punt return unit really worked their tails off last week and it showed where we were at in terms of setting things up for him.”
How difficult is it to get a read on your team without playing a road game? “I don’t think we’ll find that out until we get there, until we leave Ann Arbor. Then we’ll find out where we’re at.”
Have you ever had a season with five games in a row at home? “No. This is unsual.”
Do you like what you see at the linebacker position? “I think we need to play better there. I think Jake’s improved a lot since spring, but I don’t think we’re playing near as well as we need to at that position. I think Kenny gives you some great leadership and does a pretty good job of playing downhill. I think Hawthorne’s come on. He missed some fall camp because of an ankle, which set him back. Desmond Morgan is a guy who I think has a very bright future. I think we were better a week ago, but I think we’ve got a long way to go at that position.”
Mike Martin said you had a great week of practice last week. How much of it is them understanding how you want them to practice? “I think that’s always a transition you go through: how hard we want to practice, how physical we want to practice, how demanding we are from a fundamental and techniques standpoint. There’s a lot of things that we have demands of them. I think that and their personal pride helps.”
Talk about Ricky Barnum’s status. “We’ll see. Twisted an ankle up and went back in the football game. He’s sore.”
How do you feel about status of backup quarterbacks? “I feel pretty good about Devin. I think we all do. I think Al does too. I think he’s had a very good fall camp, and to this point, he’s conditioned himself and prepared himself to play. That’s what that guy has to do. I think he’s talented and gifted and smart and can do a good job running the offense.”
Is the tailback situation just Fitz and Vincent Smith at this point? “Well those two got the snaps the other day. They both practiced well. Vince played well and Fitz played well.”
Do you run different plays with them? “Not necessarily. There’s some protection things with Vince that we’ve liked for a long time. Fitz has done a really good job in that … he’s a tough guy and he’ll stay in there and take a guy on.”
What do you say to your team about not getting too excited about your record and respecting a Minnesota that’s struggling? “I think your consistency as a coach in how you handle everything weekly. One week’s not different from another. For us, we play for the Big Ten championship. Obviously this is the start of the Big Ten part of the schedule. I don’t think there’s any secrets that we’ve got to play a lot better than we have within the Big Ten. Minnesota got beat by North Dakota State, which is as good a football team as -- you don’t want to schedule them, I can promise you that, because they are well coached and they are tough. They always play well. I don’t know how many national championships they’ve won. And [Minnesota] get beat by SC 19-17 out in the Coliseum. And I do know SC has a lot of athletes.”
What do you have to respect from Minnesota? “I think Marqueis Gray, their quarterback -- and they’re using two quarterbacks. I think he’s averaging right around a hundred [yards] rushing the football. He’s talented. We tried to recruit him out at Ball State. He’s a big guy who’s got very good feet. They’re playing two guys at times in there. They move the ball. I think they’re averaging 179 yards a game [rushing] and almost 170 throwing the ball. It’s something in that range, but they have a lot of talent, and they play very aggressive defense.”
Do you have a scout team quarterback in mind? “Well, we’ll use the guys that have done a good job for us. Jack Kennedy’s done a good job down there. Russell Bellomy came down and did a nice job for us last week.”
You going to use Denard at all to simulate the dual-threat? “We see enough of that from our offense. We’ve got ones on ones all the time.”
How are Gray and Denard different as quarterbacks? “Well Gray’s a big guy. He’s 6’4, probably 6’5. He’s a bigger guy. Probably more physically like Pryor. He’s a bigger guy when you look at him physically. They both have good feet, and they both read the play very well.”
Why didn’t Justice Hayes dress? “He had a bump. But he’ll be okay.”
In what situations do you run traditional option vs. read option? “We don’t have the midline, the true triple. We’re not built for that, nor do we run that. So it’s more of a speed option.”
Is there a different feel to Michigan Stadium now vs. then? “I think it’s definitely a little louder. I think the renovations and that part of it are part of that.”
Were you ever interested in the Minnesota coaching job? “No. Nope.”
Did you have Jon Falk pull out the Jug? “Oh we had the jug there. Oh yeah. It was there.” Players excited about playing for it? “I think. They know it’s an important part of the legacy of Michigan.”
How has Hagerup been punting? “What do you think?” Oh yeah, that is pretty much all we get to see. “So what did you think?” He stretches pretty well … I’m asking you! “Well you’ve seen him.”Yeah, he’s pretty good! Do you feel that he’s had a change in attitude after his four-game suspension. “Well I think we all grow up. We all mature in life and everything else. I think he’s done a nice job of coaching Matt and helping Matt. Those guys all have the little uniqueness to them about where the ball is when they drop it. I try and watch and try and give them a hint now and then, but I think he’s done a nice job.”
If Hagerup reclaims his punting duties, will Wile compete for placekicking? “That’s always open. I mean, that’s open every week. He kicks field goals. He punts. He kicks off.”
Gibbons? “He’s fine. He’s fine.”
How formal were talks with Minnesota about the coaching job? “I’m not going to talk about that. That has nothing to do with anything.”
Are you concerned Devin isn’t getting enough real snaps to prepare him to back up Denard if the situation arose? “I don’t know. The way we go after each other [in practice], he gets used to the speed of the game. We go ones on ones 25 minutes a day. It’s physical. I don’t know. That’s why we do it. To prepare guys.”
Are you frustrated you haven’t played Devin much yet? “No. It would have been great to play a lot of guys. There’s Quinton Washington I would have liked to have been played more as a defensive tackle. It’s not just one position. There’s a lot of guys we’d like to get to that point with, but we haven’t.”
What went wrong with Denard’s INTs? “One was a pretty good breakup by their guy. A nice effort. The other one should have gone to the smash route.”
How did Countess measure up on film? “I thought he did a nice job. I think he’s a talented kid. I think he’ll be a real good player for us. He’s smart. Understands the defense. Has a good feel for it.” Did he show you enough to push Avery or Floyd? “They’re always pushing each other.”
How likely is Barnum to come back for Minnesota? “I don’t know.” What about Schofield’s play? “He’s done that before. Michael’s got experience. He’s a good athlete.”
What players on Minnesota’s defense stick out to you? “I haven’t looked much at their defense yet. I know Royster, I think their safety -- what’s his name?” Kim Royston. “He’s a good football player. He sticks out. Linebacker 51 (Gary Tinsley) sticks out.”
How much does feeding off each other’s emotions come into play in terms of improving every week? “I think that’s part of it -- defensively, offensively, kicking game. This is such a mental game. It’s played from the neck. This part of the year, you’ve done all your heavy lifting, you’ve done all your condition[ing]. It is now time [for] knowing your opponent, knowing the game plan, knowing where your reactions and your eyes and all those things should be. That’s a big part of it.”
Would it be possible for Countess or Avery to play nickel? “Corner’s a little easier than playing nickel because of the adjustments that you have to make and some coverage aspects of it.”
How much does the offense change when you get into the red zone? “We’ve been in jumbo personnel, we’ve been in heavy personnel, we’ve been in 11 personnel, we’ve been in 12 personnel. I would say it changes.”
How is Denard doing in terms of avoiding contact? “You know, as best he can. I think he’s done all right. He’s gotten out of bounds at opportune times. But he’s a competitor. First play of the game, he went after the guy who was going to be locked on him. He’s a competitor.”
Because of the way your offense runs with Denard, do you change the red zone offense more than you have at other places? “No. We’ve been in I-backs down there. We’ve been in three tight ends. We’ve done a lot of different things.”
Denard blocked a safety at one point. Is that something he should avoid? “That would be a wise thing for a coach to tell him, but the guy’s a competitor.”
Have you had to temper the emotions with this 4-0 start, or is this team pretty level-headed about it with senior leaderhip? “I don’t think we’ve been any different than before the season started.” Is that from you or from the seniors? “I think it permeates through the program.”
Four games in, is this job everything you expected? “It’s coaching 115 kids.”
Anything surprise you? “Nothing surprises me. I’ve been doing this a long time!”
How far did Hopkins's fumble drop him on the depth chart? Its too bad because a lot of people have been high on his potential. But that fumble was brutal. Does he drop below Rawls? Shaw?
I'm betting picking up Dunn would make us a lot more willing to burn Rawl's redshirt. As it stands now I guess it is how bad we want Rawls now versus as a redshit senior.
At this point in his career, Hopkins reminds me of Kevin Grady. A big back with a bunch of potential who can't hold on to the ball. His last two carries were fumbles, that doesn't instill a ton of confidence in the coaching staff.
It makes a grown man weep.
I'd say Hopkins best chance for redemption is against Minnesota if we build a comfortable lead early. You have to wonder if the coaching staff will risk the fumble against tougher Big Ten opponents.
He reminds me of Grady, but not necessarily for that reason. Both were supposed to be power backs, but neither really showed (or has shown) the ability to move the pile.
Grady had pile moving ability, but I think his problem was that he always ran directly into the pile.
The coaches have said they don't want a committee, and as much as it may seem like Hopkins is losing carries...Fitz and Smith are moving that much ahead even if he had held on to the ball.
Our running back situation seems pretty clear. Fitzgerald and Smith...everyone else is a situational back or comes in during mop up duty.
Hopkins was used a couple times in a 2-back set to lead block.
I hope Hopkins is never seen in the game again unless it's clearly garbage time. The number of fumbles for the numbers of times he's touched the ball, this year and last, is way too high. If he carries the ball a handful of times in blowouts and never fumbles again, then he can be reconsidered. But I see no reason to put him in over Shaw or Rawls at this point, let alone Toussaint and Smith.
I entirely agree with this but also find it interesting he can't hang on to the ball as I watched several of his HS games and this was not evident.
“I’m not going to talk about that. That has nothing to do with anything.”
I need to start using that when people are bothering me with annoying questions...
I really enjoyed that comment as well.
It is slightly more tactful than buzz off.
This may be the best thing I've read all day. Kudos!
what is the difference between the normal press conference and "the roundtable?" sounds like he is still just getting peppered with random questions.
The press conference is Coach Hoke typically at a podium...he gives an opening address, maybe an injury update, and then the floor opens up and reporters are asking questions. Typically these are more professional level questions.
The roundtable is a more intimate setting, you can get away with asking a silly question or getting more detail on something Coach Hoke said in the "regular press conference."
The biggest thing is typically the "regular" press conference is just Coach Hoke. The roundtable is Coach Hoke, assistants and players...all at roundtables in a room at the same time. Reporters have to pick who they want to interview.
Hoke got a bit too jargony for me. Can anybody fill me in on what 11 vs 12 personnel means? 'Jumbo' and 'heavy' are a bit more clear for me - that's when you play linemen at your TE positions, right?
11 personnell means 1 back and 1 tight end in the game. 12 personnell means 1 back and 2 tight ends. From what I know it's basically just number of backs then number of tight ends. Not sure if jumbo and heavy necessarily mean linemen playing tightend. I always thought that jumbo an heavy meant different things for different teams
13 for 13 in the red zone.
And what is a "bump?"
Exactly Edward. The thing is there is a bump and we know about it. /Brady Hoke liking hisself some pie
...Hayes has a nasty case of the bumps. I hate it when that happens.
Reminds me of what I heard Glenn Beck say once after he ate at Taco Bell. He got a nasty case of chalupas that kept him up all night!
And then he rebundled and resold those chalupas. Which was, like, the fourth time THAT happened to them. Ah kids!
Well, when a man and a woman love each other very much...
Elliot, Wills, Speed, N-Grind, N-Run -
I'm sure happy no one keeps an accurate transcription of what I say. When you hear the person speak, most times you can figure it out- On paper, sometimes things just look like jibberish. You don't realize the person has back-tracked to correct something, or re-phrased, or whatever.
is another big part of that. Can't be duplicated, just like in emails or on our beloved MGoBlog.
No one can hear the em-PHA-sis on the different syl-LA-bles I use.
I must be getting used to him because that seemed to be a perfectly clear way to make Denard's pride his critic as opposed to his coach. It's a great way to keep someone confident and improving.
If you've ever been in a situation where what you've said is transcribed quite accurately, you'd know it's pretty easy to come across as a fumbler. A coherant conversation sounds pretty dumb when you READ the "ums" and the starts and stops.
He'd also be the first to tell you that as a public speaker, he's a pretty good--football coach. And that's just fine, of course.
always like reading this stuff. really tells it how it is, and if he doesnt want to tell you something, he just doesnt.
Another good Hoke comment- How about that 13 for 13 in the red zone? Not many coaches would own up that to some degree, luck is involved. You can do a lot right as a coach, but if the Hopkins fumble doesn't bounce to Denard, you're 12-13.
Not clear why this would be considered flamebait. It was actually a real compliment to Hoke- He said it, and I agree- At extreme levels of accomplishment in sports, there is always some luck involved. Justin Verlander, for instance, has an incredibly low BABIP this year. Some of it is pitching, some of it is luck.
In response to the question,
How are Gray and Denard different as Quarterbacks?
He’s a bigger guy when you look at him physically.
It's brilliant for two reasons. 1 - it provides a ridiculously literal and redundant response to an irritating question, and 2 - if read between the lines it says, "Robinson is bigger in all other ways you can use that measurement that aren't physical.
Harder position or not...I'd MUCH rather see one of them playing the NB position over Thomas Gordon and Raymon Taylor.
Gordon and Taylor don't have the hips and agility to cover the slot WRs like Avery and Countess do.
I look at Gallon, Grady, Dileo, Odoms, Roundtree, Robinson, and our slots...I would want Avery as the #1 guy covering them. Countess would be #2. After that, we don't have too many shifty CBs. Maybe Gregg Brown and I haven't seen Hollowell. But Woolfolk, Floyd, Gordon and Taylor are straightline speed guys, IMO, they're better when they have the sideline to help them defend a WR.
I agree that Countess/Avery would be much better in coverage than Gordon/Taylor, but the Nickel isn't simply about "who's our 3rd best coverage man"? The NB often plays an inside technique against against smaller slot receivers that can be easily disrupted by being jammed at the line. I honestly haven't paid enough attention to what we've been asking the Nickel to do thus far, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Gordon's ability to be physical as well as decent in coverage that is keeping him in the position.
That wasn't my thought process...because I think Avery and Countess both can cover better than Floyd. I've said over and over that I think Floyd is only good if he's playing zone coverage. If it's man, I wouldn't even put him on the field. If it's zone, I'd absolutely want him on the field...he'd make a great FS, but he can't tackle (I was SHOCKED to see him make a tackle or two against SDSU...but watch the first 3 games, it's brutal).
My thought process was more along the lines of "who can cover those shifty guys in the slot?" IMO we only have 2 players who can. Woolfolk might be just because he has enough speed to recover if/when he gets beat...but IMO Avery and Countess can stay with those slot WRs step for step.
I do understand that if you want to jam, then you put a bigger guy there...and Gordon then makes sense. The same way OSU played Whitner and Allen (future NFL safeties) at NB their freshman and some of their sophomore years. I think they both had more speed than Gordon, but it made sense.
I may do that 10 years ago...but in this pass happy, short routes, 5'8 speed demon world we live in today? I want someone who can simply keep up. That's part of the reason Rich Rod was successful with those players. For a long time slot WR just meant your 3rd best WR. Jason Avant played some slot early in his career, Steve Breaston isn't huge...but he obviously was a great slot. When we had Manningham and Arrington on the outside it was Greg Mathews in the slot.
If that's the case...sure Whitner, Allen and Thomas Gordon are fine. Jason Avant and Greg Mathews aren't going to run away from anyone. They were both possession guys who happened to be the 3rd best WR on the team at the time.
Gallon, Grady, Dileo, Robinson, Odoms, etc....those guys are built to run right around that bigger DB.
He and Gibbons split kickoff duty last year. They were adequate.
Yes, in 2010 he kicked off a total of 19 times. ~5% were touchbacks and one went out of bounds for an illegal procedure. He averaged just over 61 yards per kick.
Wile has kicked off 23 times this season, averages 63 yards per kick, and has had one touchback. So slightly better than Hagerup last year with roughly the same sample size.
Best info i've ever seen out of posts #2 and #3! What else ya got?
Going into game five, I am willing to bet that Brady received a 4.3/4.0, or A+, in Coachspeak 499. Brady is to Coachspeak as Denard is to improvisational running: freakishly competent, confident in appearance, with ends of the dreds turning into ash from the speed of delivery, and no laces but somehow he remains perfectly inside despite some flaws. The psychology is dissertation-worthy. I enjoy watching this coach on a number of levels.
A+ = 4.0/4.0 = A. Take that, nerds.
Indeed I am. Just so you are aware, back in the day an undergraduate enrolled in engin circa Hoke's initial arrival at Michigan could, provided the student held a 4.0, enroll in graduate level engin courses as an UG. Moreover, if the student achieved a 4.0 garnering all the points available in the graduate engin class, said student would be awarded a 4.3/4.0. I believe this also applied at Ross but about that I do not know. As for engin 4.3/4.0, I do closely know several folks who achieved this distinction. Check this with the U.