His run down of the roster started with the D-Line. He will always be a D-Line coach at heart.
News bullets and other items:
[After THE JUMP: a mini scouting report on Appalachian State, Devin Gardner’s development, and the captain situation (or lack thereof) explained]
“Thanks for coming. It’s exciting to be here in game week. We’ve had a good camp. Thought that we competed everyday. It’s exciting to open the season in this great stadium on Saturday. Think camp- the hard work, commitment, the way they’ve competed with each other is something that we’re excited about. They understand what commitment to each other means and that’s something that we can keep building on as we go through the season and I think they’ll do that.
Appalachian State is coming in here. A lot of history. A lot of history with three national championships at a lower level but it’s something that I’m sure they embrace. Obviously this isn’t the first time Michigan and Appalachian State has played so we’ve given full attention to where we need to be and what we need to do as a football team.
We had a really physical camp and a really good camp when you look at staying pretty healthy from an injury perspective, but at the same time letting the guys have a day and a half, two days to get away from football has been real positive. They’ve been able to get themselves- a lot of families were here on Saturday, which was great to see. For them to get away from us and us to get away from them I think was real positive.
When you look at depth charts, the depth charts have been pretty fluid through camp and that’s for a reason. To put stress on guys, see what units look good together. I think we’ve narrowed it down a little bit and I’ll speak a little bit from a defensive perspective first.
I think at the tackle position Willie Henry, [Matt] Godin, [Chris] Wormley, and Tom Strobel all have improved themselves as football players and, again, that comes from the competition. I think Willie has separated himself a little bit but at the same time he knows everyday those other guys are doing a good job. I think at the nose tackle position you’re seeing the same thing. I think when you look at the corner position, I think Ray [Taylor] and Blake [Countess] both had little knicks early in camp as far as just leg problems to some degree but they really came on at the end and that competition was really great throughout camp.
Offensively, having Kalis back. We were a little concerned, obviously, two and a half weeks ago, two weeks ago when his back flared up. He rested it. They did what the trainers and rehab specialists did a great job and so at that right guard position he’s been getting a lot of good reps and that’s exciting. Again, there’s competition and I would say Joe Burzynski also. [Kyle] Bosch on the left side with [Erik] Magnuson is a real plus. I think the two tackles as they’re on there [the depth chart] is what they’re going to be and we had great competition at the running back area and I think that’s going to be something you see all year. I think Derrick [Green], the way he finished fall camp is why he’s at the top of the list.”
You referred to the former Appalachian State-Michigan game. What do you remember from that day? You obviously were at Ball State and do you bring that game up to your guys?
“Our guys know about the game. It’s the only school on our schedule this year that we have a losing record to. I obviously wasn’t here and neither were the 115 guys on this football team and it won’t be the same Appalachian State team either.”
Offensively, especially in this first game, what are you going to look for to see that things have taken a step ahead under coach Doug Nussmeier?
“Well, as a team we all have ownership. Yeah, Nuss is the offensive coordinator and he’s done a fabulous job but we want to be able to run the football. That’s as important as anything. I think that progression of running the football and then the play action game off of the run game is going to be real important. Be positive in the red zone. Don't settle for field goals. You've got to get touchdowns down in there. And then our third down percentage. If we get in some yardage situations we've got to be explosive enough to keep the chains moving."
You mentioned Derrick [Green] and DeVeon [Smith] just as far as the intense competition back-and-forth. Did they show you what you wanted to see or did a guy win by default?
"There's no default. At all. That's not how we operate. What both of those guys have done has been really productive. Justice Hayes and Drake Johnson have really been productive. Just to see the improvements from that part of it has been really exciting."
You said [Kyle] Kalis was healthy. Could he start on Saturday?
What is his health right now? Is he 100%?
"I would say so."
There's been a lot of focus on the offensive line in camp. Is that the biggest question to you and how confident are you that they are going to improve over last year?
"I'm very confident in how those guys have progressed since last year. Through winter conditioning, the weight room, through fall camp, spring ball, the summer so I'm really confident in what those guys have done. Is that the thing that we get asked the most besides that who the running backs going to be? That's – you want to be good upfront. We've got to be a team who's dominant upfront on both sides of the ball."
You obviously like each of your running backs. Could you talk a little bit about what you like about each guy and what each brings to the table?
"Well, they all are different in a lot of ways. Derrick [Green] brings an explosiveness in the hole with good size. DeVeon [Smith], just his mindset and his mentality, he'd rather run you over. Justice [Hayes] out of the backfield with the ball in his hands has been really good, protection for a guy who's not a stout back, he's done a nice job with that part of it. They all have improved. And Drake [Johnson] is very explosive speed-wise and when he hits the hole.”
We talked about position groups, wide receiver and linebacker. Just noticed that [Maurice] Ways is in there, I think, at a three and also just the kind of logjam at linebacker. Lot of talent. Is it just pick a guy? I mean, you’ve got a lot of linebackers there.
“Well, we're in a good position there. We're in a good position because that should help you with your kicking game and, again, we've got more depth than we've had. Now, we don't just pick guys. I think the guys in there at linebacker guys who have practiced well, I think there are guys who played well, you have great leadership and how they go about how they work every day.”
It's not a bad problem to have…
“It's a good problem to have. It's a good problem to have depth.”
Delano Hill – is he out?
“I'll know more when he meets with the doctors this afternoon.”
So there's still the potential that he could play?
The receiver group – could you explain [why Jehu] Chesson is listed behind [Devin] Funchess so are they at the same position? Is Chesson in a different position?
“Well, it depends. What group is that? Is that based group? So you have two receivers or say you have three receivers, it just depends. There are some ways to put Devin Funchess in a lot of different positions.”
Funchess is on the field obviously so are they battling for that second spot? Chesson and Darboh, Is that how that works?
“If we are in base personnel, 21 personnel, Chesson and Funchess will be on the field.”
In what ways do you think your defense will be better this year and could this and should this be the best defense you had here?
“Well, I don't know. I think that's… Why they're better some of it is that we've got depth. We've got depth at the linebacker position, upfront defensively, the only place that we – we've got more depth at corners. The one place where our depth probably isn't as good as we'd like it still is at the safety position. But the way the guys have practiced, I think how they've really competed – and you guys are going to get really tired of hearing that but life is competition. You all are competing with each other. That part of it is what is so good and the leadership that they have with each other.”
Devin Gardner has had his ups and downs but he's now a senior, and experienced senior. What is most important for you to see from him this year?
“Well, your quarterback in a lot of ways, he gets the good and the bad. I think the consistency that he has played with at times is what we're looking for. I think him understanding throwing the ball away is a good play, and I've seen him do that more and more which is awesome instead of trying to force something so from that standpoint I think that consistency every day. I think his leadership in the huddle is 100 times better and I think his leadership overall on the team is 100 times better.”
What stands out about Appalachian State personnel-wise? What groups have you guys touched on?
“Well, I think their skill positions number one offensively. Cox, the running back. The quarterback is a guy who played a lot last year, Kameron Bryant. Their offensive line has 130 starts between eight of them so you have a lot of guys who have been on the field, been in games and I think that's important in the ingredients of how they play together. I think defensively, they got a big old nose, they play odd front, they bring their bases out of an odd front. Odd fronts can give you some problems now and then. Odd fronts are also ways to try and attack an offense because you look at a lot of people and when they get into their sub-defenses you see a lot of odd fronts and a lot of blitz packages. They've got a nose tackle in there, Tyson Fernandez, he's 6 foot two, 335 pounds. He does a nice job. He was an offensive lineman that they moved over there and he takes up the middle. I think their linebackers flow well to the football and good skill in the secondary. I think special-teams – Scott Satterfield is a guy who really believes in special teams and where they need to be. I think that's going to be a big part of this football game.”
Defensively, you already mentioned this, but what do you look at in the first game situation and say, ‘Yeah, the changes that we made are going to be effective’?
“I think start off with the fundamentals and the techniques. Guys getting in the right alignment, guys getting getting in the right stands out of those alignments. I think that's huge because you can see that they've gone through and grasped through the practice situations. The effort to the football is something that we have to make sure we are getting every play. Hasn't been a big problem for us defensively but you've got enough guys that are kind of new and a lot of veterans, just seeing how they play together.”
By my count you could start nine sophomores and two freshmen. How do you get consistency out of that?
“Well, hopefully – why do you tell me that? I didn't even think of that. No, I think that what the preparation has been has been really stressful for them and they’ve responded when we put them in those stressful situations. The quality of what they are positionally, from genetics to how they are athletically.”
Does this sophomore class have a trait that’s universal among them?
“I think that sophomore class is a little bit different. I think it's a little bit different, and that freshman class. Yeah, they're a little different.”
In what way?
“I think they have a little bit more of an edge.”
What have you seen from Jabrill Peppers that makes you willing to entrust him with returning punts in his very first collegiate game?
“Well, he's done a lot even before he got here on big stages. You know, having ran track at national-level events, having been at Paramus Catholic as a football player. Watching him over the course of the last 27 days practice, field punts, be in those situations. The confidence that he has gives me confidence.”
I know it's something that you might not care that much about but it's pretty rare for Michigan not to be ranked in the top 25 going into the season. Is that something the players use as motivation and do you think this team could surprise people?
“Well, I don't know about the last part until we get out there and compete. I would say these are pretty educated guys. You know, they are at Michigan number one and so they understand it's not where you start in any race, it's where you finish. I think is that a chip they may have on their shoulder? They might but that's okay.”
Any update on Ty Isaac's status?
“Still haven't heard anything back from the appeals.”
You haven't said anything about voting on captains. Will there be game captains week to week or where are you with that?
“Well, number one, I think I've mentioned this every time Angelique has asked me about captains but we've had unbelievable leadership throughout the team and we've talked about if you're good enough, you're old enough. One thing, we will have captains but they'll be voted on after the Ohio game. And for the next question, what do you do game by game? I think there's 18 fourth and fifth year guys that we will have represent the team at the coin toss.”
Why is that a better route and you talked about the freshman and sophomore class as having more of an edge, do you think you have more of an edge going into this year?
“I don't know. I don't know if I have more of an edge. Maybe they gave me an edge. I don't know. If I do I think I've been pretty much the same.”
Why is this a better route for the captains?
“Well, I think we've got great leadership in our senior class. We really do, specially on the defense of side of the ball and I think Devin [Gardner] has been absolutely fantastic but at the same time we talked about leadership throughout the team and throughout every class. We have a representative group that's a big part of what we do. Seniors are always- I met with them and we talked about this. Seniors are always going to be the guys that we try to play for, to coach for. That's not changing. Their influence is important but I think that every team is different. I think this team is unique.”
In changing how you do things in that regard with the captains, was there something that really stood out that made you decide, 'We're doing it this way?'
"I made this decision that we were going to go this way last February."
His run down of the roster started with the D-Line. He will always be a D-Line coach at heart.
How long does it take to determine a running backs status for fuck sake. The NCAA has to be the most incompetent organization in America. I wish I could I take that long to perform my tasks at my job.
You could if you worked for the NCAA... or the government.
...and I was the last to know (devastated). I'm glad I'm able to be part of this thread in the early stages.
What's the point of voting on captains at all if it's after the regular season ends
For the history books I guess.
For the playoff, duh.
...and I'll answer your question without being a dick.
If you vote at the end, you end up with guys who earned it. I honestly think Hoke regrets Lewan being a captain, he'll forever be in the record books as a Michigan captain and I know that a number of guys hated him (not all), and then his ordeal at the end of the year. Even if you didn't hate him, I'm sure even more guys felt he wasn't worty of being a captain. I've heard he had some Richie Incognito to him.
Also, Hoke has always put a TON of emphasis on the senior class, and last year's class didn't lead. So the rest of the team followed suit. Either that, or they didn't do what they needed to do because the seniors weren't doing what THEY were supposed to be doing.
We're not in the locker room every day or in the end-of-the-year meetings...but what if Hoke had a number of underclassmen say something to the sort of "Coach, to be honest, it's all about the seniors here and none of us even liked the seniors...they didn't lead and when we saw them doing things they weren't supposed to be doing, it made us slack off because that was the example they set. We didn't take anything seriously. And everything was about the seniors. Seniors. Seniors. Seniors. Personally, I think some of the sophomores were better leaders than some of the seniors."
If you hear that enough, you may drastically change some things...especially after a 7-6 season.
They basically do have captains on this team, they're just internal and each class picks it's captain.
It also makes your seniors feel like they need to earn the title...some people just suck at leading. They get a title and they don't do what they did to earn it. You don't want a sense of accomplishment in August, you want it in February. Some people change when they get that title, they're perfectly fine and then get promoted and all of a sudden think they can boss everyone around and they don't have to follow the same rules.
And I'm talking about adults...this is a college football team with 21-22 year olds as leaders.
It's untraditional and I don't know how I feel about it, or if I agree with it, but I can certainly see the reasoning behind it.
Sorry for the typos...long day at work, I just want my beer and my blog.
This is a great explanation. Honestly, I think even we here on the blog boards let Lewan skate too easily last year because we viewed him as the only thing keeping our OL from falling off the cliff, like that weird accordion truck thing in Lost World.
As an individual he obviously was a great tackle, who consistently deposited his man 4 yards away from the play. But at the same time with our line the way it was (I heard some describe it as 2 concrete pillars with a strip of toilet paper taped between them), we didn't need an exceptional individual, we needed an exceptional leader. And on the field and off the field, it didn't ever look like Lewan was that. Even setting aside the allegations from 4 years ago, I doubt that many would defend him as an unstanding character. While I at least still believe that Ghoston's play in the game a few years back was inexcusable (even without the Denard facemask incident), I cannot in good conscience argue that Lewan's behavior in that, or subsequent games was measurably better, at least not to the point we should be expecting on this team.
And with Lewan being the only captain on the offensive side of the ball, I can see how that lack of leadership could really have a compounding effect once things started to backslide midseason. Upperclassmen student leadership is something that is of critical importance to a team down the stretch, and if this is something that will really help the team cultivate that, not just from 4 guys but from everybody able to step up to the plate, then good on Hoke for tackling that head on.
With this response, I now understand why you are almost at 20,000 points with MGoBlog. Great explanation!
I agree with most of what you said, but let's take it easy on the Lewan stuff. I kind of feel like we're throwing the guy under the bus based on a lot of heresay and conjecture. I have no doubt he wasn't a model human being, but let's not forget this is also a guy that had enough character to forgo millions of dollars to come back and help his team for one more year. When things didn't go well, you can't blame a guy for being frustrated, and Lewan being frustrated probably wasn't the prettiest thing to being around. But, this trend to take the failures of last year and pile it all at his feet is unfair and revisionist, and has frankly always rubbed me the wrong way.
I agree spot on about not throwing Lewan completely under the bus. Likewise I don't think RR, Gerg, Borges, or Hoke should be completely at fault for the limitations of the team the last few seasons. After all, this is a team game. In many instances nobody is completely perfect. Case in point last year the defense technically could have win a few more games for us if they had made crucial plays down the stretch. They didn't and we lost.This does not mean anybody is above reproach or criticism especially people like the coaches who are paid millions of dollars to do their jobs.
Side note: interesting choice to use the dalek as your avatar. If you're going to use a Dr. Who reference I would have thought it would be the tardis or something related to the Doctor. To each his own and I suppose that other guy has a stormtrooper costume and/or avatar. Not that important obviously I just found it interesting.
I figured or OL could use a little Dalek attitude in them.
I always thought that the captaincy *was* (or at least supposed to be) earned, but in prior seasons. Also while the effect may not be immediately felt, I think this approach greatly depreciates the value of being a captain (it becomes almost purely a paper honor, except for the bowl game) and so will reduce it's value as a carrot to work towards. And finally the goal shouldn't be to have the "right" people written down at the end of the season, but rather to help the season by having leaders on the field.
I certainly appreciate your explanation though, it gives great insight into WTF Hoke might have been thinking when he decided this, even if I disagree with the rational.
The college football season starts in days and those guys still haven't cleared up Isaac's status? This waiver system is broken if a guy can complete fall camp without having a clue if he's eligible
...although he did say appeal, so it sounds to me like he got his answer...it was a "no" and now he's appealing the decision.
Yeah, I don't know why the dittoheads keep talking like the NCAA hasn't answered the question. They did. We don't know if the delay on the appeal is because it took the Michigan staff a long time to dredge up some thing plausible to appeal on, or if the NCAA is taking its time to decide on the appeal because appeals are complicated or whatever, but the instant assumption that everything is the NCAA's fault is moronic and so very, very MGoBlog.
I've got major problems with the way the NCAA does business as well, but at least I think about the issue before I spout off.
AppState has 130 starts amongst their OLineman? Must be nice ...
I believe Rich Rod did it this way too. It was one of the "tradition breaks" he caught a little heat for.
IIRC correctly it was that he had "game captains" and that was it. It looks like Hoke might be subtly trying to avoid that heat (though I honestly doubt he cares) by saying that we will have season captains, it will just be an open competition all season long.
RR named official captains at the end of the season his first two years. He went to the more traditional system his final season..
He definitely used game by game captains for at least one year.
So is Kalis a starter or not?
The key word is "OR".
I think it is fair to say he is not starting. When asked if he could start, Hoke's response was "could," as if he were saying Kalis is physically able, but won't be. I could be wrong, but I don't see it happening this week at least.
as the backup LG, I think that depth chart was out of date as soon as Kalis got back to practice. I'll be very surprised if Kalis doesn't start on Saturday.
Wouldn't you like to know...App St. assistant coach!
is that I'm ready for some real damn football, especially U-M football. I don't care if we're playing App St. again or not, as of this year, we are scheduled for 12 games with a potential for an additional 3 games, damn I hope we end up playing 15 games, how sweet would that be?
Of course we would be undefeated in that scenario, amirite.
I can't wait for Saturday and hopefully seeing Michigan getting back to winning football games in an impressive fashion.
"I think the consistency that he has played with at times..."
Am I the only one that found that line hilarious?
you're not the only one. I think having a Hoke think count would be great too, I think. 44 thinks vs. only 12 wells. I think.
If all the seniors are really coming together, working hard and mentoring the younger guys, I think it's a good idea to consider them all captains. Hopefully that way, all of them embrace the role and step up as leaders. That could help keep the entire team focused and on the same page more so than just by having a few in leadership roles. Not to mention, "Michigan Football Captain" would be a nice thing for these guys to have on their resumés.
So Brady has a verbal tic, big deal. It was funny the first time, but to be honest, I was glad when the well count was dropped for the last presser recap. But I see it's back today. Some people say, "um," some people say, "you know." I know a guy who said, "basically," 60 times in a 30 minute speech. Brady's a football coach, not a network news anchor. Give him a break and drop the "well" counting.
With the assumption that you can parse things into coherent sentences. This style is getting old.
ST3 is wrong, the Well Count is hilarious. Picktown is right, you could turn Brady's ramblings into more coherent sentences.
We've gone to the well one too many times.
Hoke said this is the only team on their entire schedule this year that has a winning record against Michigan.
I know that one of the things the school prides itself on is its all-time record against other schools.
Precious few schools have a winning record against the Michigan Wolverines.
And App State is on that short list? Eff that noise.
I'm convinced this was a huge reason why Michigan is playing a 2nd game against them. And I WELCOME it. Who cares about seeing replays of the 2007 upset. Deal with it!
Michigan needs to get those yucks off that list. With vigor.