BG said that when he has kids he's gonna send them here. Can he plz hurry up with that so we have more beastly defensive players.
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BG said that when he has kids he's gonna send them here. Can he plz hurry up with that so we have more beastly defensive players.
I'll call my sister tonight.
Have her take over a few friends with her.
Anyone know who the 5 or so coaches are that RR keeps in contact w/ for encouragement?
I'm just curious.
Also, do you think these coaches talk to each other during the season?
him being friends with Bob Stoops (M spoke to Oklahoma about using TEs more) and Urban Meyer (they used to share strategy, until RR went to M, and started to compete with him for FL recruits), but don't have a guess as to the rest (although apparently, GRob was a HC friend of his as well).
also...and has said this season that he talks to him regularly...he probably won't admit it, but i bet he talks with Mo and Lloyd this week and of course Hanlon stops by every week, so you sure as hell know he will have a thing or two to say to him. The best is Big Johnny (Equipment Mgr), he is an encyclopedia of knowledge on the rivalries and will be posting stuff all week. That was one of the coolest things about Ohio State week, seeing what he what he would post next and which players he would target during the week to remind them which all american or all big ten player they were going up against...i am sure there will be a thing or two for the D line on "Boron"....that's what Bo use to call Mike Boren when he messed up or was loafing it during practice.
"Brandon Minor is still nicked up, but he'll go if he can."
1) The team plays on a different level when Minor is in the game.
2) This is probably the last, and most important, game in Minor's Michigan career.
3) I do not wish additional pain on the man, but unless his legs literally fall off, he MUST play.
I'm a buckeye, but I really hope Minor can play. He's looked great and really adds another dimension to the offense. I bet he plays and has a good game.
Rivalry not as much fun for Ohio State fans when all outcomes result in a pyrrhic victory:
OSU Wins Big: "So you crushed our (second) worst team ever"
OSU Wins: "We almost beat you with our (second) worst team ever"
OSU Loses: "[Insert whatever told-you-so quote here]"
They might make personnel moves from offense to defense in the offseason.
Anyone have some thoughts on who could potentially switch to the defensive side?
Cameron Gordon to linebacker wouldn't be terribly surprising considering some teams wanted him there in the first place.
A: TWO. 2 wins in his first 7 years against OSU. Be honest, you guessed higher than 2 didn't you?
how much he struggled against OSU during the first phase of his career. I was in school at UM starting in '71, and the losses in '72, the tie in '73 which basically was a loss, '74, and '75 were all excruciating because they were all so closely fought contests. That's why there was graffiti in a couple of bar restrooms in town (Del Rio and Blind Pig) that said "Fire Bo & hire Linda Lovelace—she doesn't choke on the big one." It's amazing how quickly a fan base can become thoroughly infused with a sense of arrogant entitlement, isn't it?
Bo was lucky that he didn't coach in the internet/talk radio era. I think his head would have exploded. One thing is for sure, though: if the Freep smear had occurred during his tenure, Bo's assistants would have had to restrain him from physically going after those little worms Rosenberg and Snyder.
He needs to play. He adds something to our offense that is absolutely crucial. I think he'll be out there.
As for the outcome, call me crazy, but I think Michigan has a chance here. I feel OSU is overrated, and these rivalry games add a whole new dimension that just can't be explained. If the defense can play reasonably well, and they can avoid the big turnover, I think the Wolverines can definitely pull it out.
stay healthy, then sure but he always get hurt so chances of him seeing a lot of time on the field is not good.
It's too bad that Minor and Brown are injury prone or we'd be seeing a totally different offensive attack. Looks like Shaw may be heading down toward the similar career line as both of them. Shaw has been hurt last year and now this year.
considering it will (likely) be Minor's last game in a UM jersey, I'm more than confident he'll get at least 10 carries.
Knowing it's his last game and what's at stake, they would have to cart him off the field for an injury to keep him out.
I hope the underclassmen understand what it would mean for the seniors to pull this off.
I really hope that he CRUSHES Boren Saturday.
and I never wish injury on anyone. But seriously I hope he gets his knee twisted like a pretzel. What a jackpff.
Maybe it's me, but we always seem to have so many key injuries coming into the game. In 2007, it was Henne and Hart (that team wins with them healthy), last year we had to start Sheridan (not that it would make a big difference) and now it's our two RB's. Ohio State has guys banged up too, but lately, we are the ones limping into the contest.
Until it is no longer ever the case that MICHIGAN is woefully undermatched against ohio state, you will not be happy, nor in anyone's corner?
That is the most existentially tragic thing I have seen on this board.
I PHUCKING love BG.
"All coaches hate to lose. It eats at your soul. "I don't coach football, I live it." He loves what we're doing, so it eats at you to be unsuccessful. He's not used to losing, so it pretty much sucks. Each day is a new opportunity. This year or last year was the most emotionally taxing in his career."
When we see the Fire RR rants and are tempted to join in, we should remind ourselves that even though this program demands excellence, coaches feel just as crushed as fans do when things don't go well. It is taxing on everyone and my respect goes to RR for doing what he does.
I think he's well compensated to put up with it. Feel sorry for yourself (and myself) who get worked up in a lather for free.
this week was discussed. A variant of it was mentioned by every player, particularly as relates to the younger guys. Even with regard to Tate. Or am I over-reacting?
I'm guessing if we went back to last year and read the presser notes, they would have a similar tone. Sigh.
There's a quote in there about Roundtree being born in Pahokee - I know he went to high school in the Dayton area - But was he born in Pahokee, or the Miami area?
Just some clarification is needed - Possibly a typo
Nice catch. I saw that line too. I'm 95% sure he has nothing to do with Pahokee. I think the only guys from Pahokee are Odoms, V. Smith, and Hawthorne.
OSU's current stretch of success vs Michigan is 7-1. That means OSU would have to go 5-2 over their next 7 games vs Michigan just to equal M's glorious stretch from 1985 to 2000.
Despite the current state of affairs, I'm willing to bet that RR does not start his M career going 2-6 vs OSU. So the chances that OSU can even duplicate Michigan's run of success are pretty slim. Just something else to think about!
Well, if he starts off 0-3, that's only 2-3 the rest of the way. Now, the next five will start in Ann Arbor, so that would be a little disappointing, but not ridiculous.
I really don't mean to offend you (or anyone else on this board) but I am getting a little tired of all the posts pertaining to UM's storied past being a reason we will have success in the future. Do you even realize how many of our past records have fallen since 2007? And I am not talking about in a good way either.
We have seen on this board the "Purdue hasn't beat UM in AA since 19__" and "MSU hasn't beat UM in back to back years since 19__". Seriously, do you want to keep throwing records out there with the knowledge that so many have already proven to be useless once the game starts?
I am a fan of RR and believe he will bring us back to prominence if given the chance. My faith in this has nothing to do with the fact that we are the winningest team in college football or how many streaks we have against other teams. It is because I think RR knows what he is doing and is a damn good coach.
Just because we had success in the past doesn't neccessarily mean we are destined for it in the future, and posts that imply that are starting to turn my stomach.
i don't think many fans who have followed this rivalry would be surprised if michigan beats osu on sat. http://www.writingthepine.com/2009/11/16/um-vs-osu-part-i-we-must-win-we...
Performing giddy cartwheel to keg stands and looking for a sparty neighbor's porch sofa.
The combination of talent and scheme on the defense have me concerned and not anticipating great things.
Is this a typo? I know the guy went to HS in Dayton...anyone know if this is true or not?
Roundtree went to Madison Trotwood which is in Dayton, OH.
a) We will have won the damn game.
b) Seeing the battle between Boren and the D-line.
c) We will have won the damn game!
Part of the interview was omitted:
The old poker "ONE TIME", eh?
The Moose-man seemed to be one of the more candid speakers here. From (kind of) calling out guys for lack of effort, for saying how he really feels about Boron, etc.
I wonder then what is to be made of "Watched Purdue-OSU film. It's going to take our best effort to beat them. Purdue put together a great gameplan, and we've got one this week."
What might that entail? This offense has seemed incredibly vanilla all season. Very few new plays or formations. We've seen the triple option, will they expand on that? (or at least execute it better) What about the formation with Denard in the backfield with Tate; Double pass? Some crazy ninja shit where Tate, Denard, or C.Brown can throw? Also, we haven't seen much of Denard lately either. Is it possible that he's been practicing for this game for weeks while Tate prepares for the upcoming game?
I don't know, we need something. Something more than we've seen so far.
I'm a Buckeye fan that will attempt an answer. Purdue and Iowa both utilized a lot of short drops with quick throws to offset the OSU pass rush or rolled the QB out to buy time against it. Your staff may be looking at combining that with utilizing your QBs' running abilities. If I were the OSU coaching staff I'd certainly be thinking along these lines defensively.
Regarding post #3, you have to wonder if he really does get the rivalry if he is tired of hearing about it. And he doesn't need to hear about the rivalry from former coaches? chalk up a Michigan career with no wins over OSU for RR, no matter how long the career is. Unitl now, I thought he really understood Michigan. Now, I am not sure he well ever get it.
I didn't take it as him not wanting to hear about the rivalry. I looked at it as him not wanting to be asked if he understands the rivalry.
Hell, of course he understands it. He's lost to OSU. It would be one thing if they'd pulled off a win last year, especially in a losing season, and his reaction was "good, but we still had a losing season". But with the losing season and a loss to OSU, and the possibility of repeating that, if he didn't realize it in the first place (which I think would be impossible for any college coach), he sure would get it now.
Could be all those extra, unverified, unlogged, practice and weight room hours.
EDIT: Doesn't really matter, though. It's not about the offense. OSU defense is awesome (again). This game is about controlling tempo, winning the turnover battle and stopping them on defense (yikes). OSU is not great on offense. Maybe UM can pull one out for RR and crew. If UM wins, it will be a low scoring game, IMHO.
Or...maybe TP will have trouble with the law before the game. You know, 'cause, "everyone murders..." :)
Beat the Buckeyes!!
But if Craig Roh swims past Boren and sacks Pryor, it may just be the win I need for the long offseason.
Graham made some comment about Warren's senior year. I really hope that means he's staying at U of M. I seriously doubt that will be the case though. While I dream of having a solid secondary (Turner and Warren at the corners, Woolfolk at FS, and Marvin Robinson/Cullen Christian at SS) with the chance that the NFL creates a rookie pay scale after this year I think a lot of juniors will go pro.
So many people are saying this, yet I have a hard time seeing how he would benefit financially from this move.
Let's say that they do implement a pay scale for rookies (and that is still not a sure thing), that scale will impact all rookies next year. I believe its intent is on lowering the first rounders contracts but obviously players picked in subsequent rounds will also drop as a result obviously.
Situation 1: He goes pro this year. He would likely be stuck somewhere in the third round, maybe worse. He looked great early on this year but has looked less spectacular against our recent (more talented) competition. Seriously, I see third round all over him if he goes this year. What is an average third rounders salary? I'm not certain but you can bet it is significantly less than the first rounders.
Situation 2: He stays and has a much better year on a much improved defense. Draft stock rises and he becomes a late first round pick under the new rookie pay scale. I would seriously doubt, that under this new scale, a first rounder would make less than a third rounder did the year before. This is just speculation on my part, but I seriously doubt that would happen.
Final Scenario: He stays and no new pay scale is implemented.
I don't see him losing anything at all by staying the extra year (not even money). The difference in salary between a third rounder and first rounder is significant. If he left this year and signed a five year deal as a third rounder worth about $1 million dollars less per year than he would have as a first rounder, he would never make that money back. If he waits and signs as a 5 year deal as a first rounder he would make that money he missed out on by staying back before his contract was up.
All hypothetical figures and everything, but I just don't see him leaving as being a foregone conclusion.