BG said that when he has kids he's gonna send them here. Can he plz hurry up with that so we have more beastly defensive players.
Monday Presser Notes 11-16-09
- Brandon Minor is still nicked up, but he'll go if he can. Carlos's knee is still bothering him a little bit. Vincent Smith played well, Shaw "did some good things." Backups will be ready if the starters can't go.
- "Legends are made in the Michigan-Ohio State game." Good feel for the rivalry. Doesn't take long to understand it. Don't have to coach or play here to get the intensity of it. What will it take to turn the rivalry around? Having a better team than the opponent. Emotion and passion will carry the team a little bit. The more experienced team (OSU) will be able to stem a tide of emotion. Use the big rivalry factor to help guys focus on preparation during the game. Win over OSU means something special especially for the seniors. Team has overcome a little adversity, that would be important for them. Try to accentuate the positives this week. It's an easy game to get them excited for. Our guys know it's a big challenge. You always have a chance. We have to play really well. Maybe they'll make a few mistakes.
- Hasn't heard from past Michigan coaches about the rivalry. He doesn't need to be lectured on the importance of the rivalry. He gets it. Just because he's not from Michigan doesn't mean he doesn't get it. Everyone gets it. He coaches as hard as he can in every game. Ohio State is just a whole lot more important. College football has the most intense rivalries, none more important than M-OSU. '69 team was one of the best M-OSU games. They'll be honorary captains for the game.
- A couple things different: Senior week. Practice won't be much different. There will be more in team meetings about the importance of the game, etc. Permanent team captains will be voted on this week.
- Senior class. All programs have something special for last home game. Best week of seniors' careers. Devoted 4-5 years to the university & team. Small group of seniors.
- We can play a whole lot better offensively. Defensively, we haven't been playing well. It's not a lack of effort, there are a lot of reasons. Solid on special teams. Have to make a lot of improvement on defense. Hopefully they rise to the challenge in the last game.
- Made D changes, guys played pretty well. Looking for the right combination. Defense maybe moved slower than he thought it might. Last year's team had more experience defensively. Knew we were going to be inexperienced. They might make personnel moves from offense to defense in the offseason. In next couple recruiting classes, add talent on defense.
- All coaches hate to lose. It eats at your soul. "I don't coach football, I live it." He loves what we're doing, so it eats at you to be unsuccessful. He's not used to losing, so it pretty much sucks. Each day is a new opportunity. This year or last year was the most emotionally taxing in his career. We've all fought through this thing together, and can see the light at the end of the tunnel. When the young guys lift weights, practice, etc., you can see that we're going to be back there. He likes winning too much to not evaluate everything the team does. If adjustments need to be made, they'll do it. Some of the problems are going to take longer to fix. "I feel very good about our staff." Good coaches, family men, recruiters. Scheme and stuff will be where the changes come. Personnel-wise it's tough to overcome. The players know how competitive the coaches are. As long as they're giving their best effort, that's all the coach can ask. This is a good group to coach.
- Not getting back as quickly as he'd like. Only had 1 full recruiting class. When those 18-19 year olds are 20-21, they'll look more like men. There's a group of 4-5 college head coaches he keeps in touch with for encouragement, etc.. Also the assistant coaches he's been with for a long time. Sometimes things come up that aren't in coaching 101.
- On offense, they feel a lot better than last year. Players have a better grasp of the offense. OSU will still be a huge challenge. Not showing up to hope it stays close, they want to win.
- Comparing leagues to leagues is misinformed, there's no reason that a different style of football can't be played in the Big Ten. Every league has a variety of styles, etc. Coaching the pro-style to fit the talent. Our guys that started on offense last year hadn't played in any system yet. No mattter what system you ran, they hadn't played in it. Same with defense this year. Need to recruit guys who can play at the highest level, but experience is a big player too.
- Tate - hopefully learned that you have to compete every week, continue to get better, different schmes and challenges every week. He and Denard are both very good for true freshmen. They'll get better when they have more practice time. Hopes everyone (not just tate) is committed to getting the seniors to a bowl game.
- Koger played some last year. He's played well sometimes, other games he hasn't taken the next step. He'll get better.
- Graham - doing all he can. He knows he's surrounded by inexperience. Still being a team guy and playing within the framework of the defense. Trying to free him up and use his ability.
- Kovacs is a tough guy. It's just his first year playing, so he'll keep getting better. Lack of depth gave him an opportunity.
- Boren: Doesn't do much good to go back in the past. "We pride ourselves on the closeness we have as a family." If you ask the players, they feel the closeness. Hasn't talked to Boren since he left.
- Pryor. He's done extremely well. Started games as a true freshman. Very talented. Won a lot of games. Don't really like to play him because he's a talented playmaker. Nobody on scout team can replicate him (obvs). Denard will play him a bit on scout team.
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- Scoring the touchdown against Wisconsin was pretty cool. He thought his days of scoring touchdowns were over after high school.
- It would mean everything to this team to beat Ohio State. Bitter taste after last year's game is still there. Want to beat OSU and get the 6th win for the seniors. Looking to stop the streak of 4-5 consecutive OSU losses. There's an external sense that Michigan doesn't stand a chance. A lot of people around the rivalry know that records mean nothing on the field.Practices will stay the same, but in the group preparation "you always do a little extra for Ohio State." Film room, etc.
- Defense is getting close, but they're still making fundamental and technical errors. They're getting better and better, but that's still not good enough. Can't lean on the offense. Mistakes this year aren't sustained drives or anything. It doesn't look better on the scoreboard, but if they can stop 4-5 plays of 60+ yards and TD, it will look a whole lot different. Guys aren't wearing out. Other teams have similar size and frequency of defensive rotation. Got away from scheming other teams, need to execute physically.
- Michigan Ohio State game has an intensity level that can't be matched in other games. It's like you're on the front line of a battle. We enjoy it, and it's great to get after it with passion.
- Never grew up an Ohio State fan. Always got chills watching the big game. "I'm a Michigan man, that's all I'm worried about right now." Roundtree born in Pahokee, big Miami fan. Miami-OSU game in '02. McGahee, etc. "Just can't go for Ohio State, don't know what it is."
- Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson. Great memories.
- Preparation started saturday after Wisconsin. Practice is going to have to pay off this week. Veterans say to go all out. You never know when it's your last play, especially against Ohio State. Have to go harder this week. Put in the hard work all season. Learn from mistakes, prepare for Saturday. Everybody's ready.
- Rodriguez toughest season. Just his second year, how the season is turning out. Roundtree and Hemingway sat together last year watching the game. "This year should be a turnaround."
- Won't have his phone on this week because he needs to stay focused.
- Big 2 weeks: It just happens. Shows the work he put in everywhere. Doesn't worry about how many balls he catches, etc., just worried about running his route. You can't back down in blocking.
- The QBs have to work with each other to improve. Tate has to do more to show what he can do.
- Same feeling against OSU every year (always do everything you can), but each year is different with his role increasing. "It'll be my last game in the Big House, I wanna go out with a win." This week, anything that's wrong has to be corrected Everyone has to be in watching film, everyone has to go hard in practice. Stevie and seniors lead by example. Getting to a bowl and beating Ohio State are linked together, so neither goal is bigger than the other, they're the same.
- Boren - did everything he could while he was here, he'll be the same for them. No personal vendetta, just another O-lineman.
- Pryor throwing it better this year. When the play breaks down, he's able to do things with his feet. Big guy, need to get a secure tackle on him.
- Stevie doesn't try to think about "if we lose, it's over" type stuff. Worries about preparing to win the last game. Doesn't look at beating them in terms of breaking the OSU streak, just want to beat them.
- Whenever we play very well, play together, we can shut teams down. We've shown flashes, just need to come together for 60 minutes.
- Graham provides a lot of vocal encouragement. Leads by example as well. Works as hard as he can, makes plays he's supposed to make. The team doesn't want to let Brandon down. Stevie's not vocal. You can come ask him questions, but he tries to lead by example.
- Hasn't looked at Ohio State film yet. Heard Herbstreit say that this is one of Tressel's best defenses.
- UT-A&M rivalry is the main one where Ortmann's from. The M rivalry is something he knew about, but didn't get to experience it that much.
- The preparation week for OSU his freshman year, their helmets were taped up like OSU, you can sense a different atmosphere .
- Loss= the end has been playing in everyone's mind. We've broken a lot of records and set some new ones the past couple years. Beating OSU would be a great spot to start a new record.
- It's been a while since we've beaten them. Go in with mindset that we are capable of winning. The tackling dummies with the block o are just a reminder that OSU is the biggest game every year.
- Boren - nobody has a relationship with him anymore really. Ortmann has talked to him just a couple times. They had a good relationship before. It was hard to hear him say what he did when he left. He was raised to be a Michigan fan and he loved Michigan. Had some underlying personal issues. What he said on the way out was unfair. People with their own individual reasons. Some statements have been inaccurate. They're entitled to their own opinions.
- Big difference between the OSU games and all the rest. "Growing up, you know that this is one of the biggest rivalries in college football." Big for both programs. Definitely have more intensity this week, get the guys riled up. Help the young guys understand how important this game is.
- Limit big plays. Make them earn everything that they get. Have to come out in practice, get some confidence rolling through the week. Believe in the gameplan, minimize what the opponent will do.
- At safety last couple weeks - do what the coaches ask, and what's best for team. Trying to help the team win. That was for Wisconsin, doesn't know if it will be this week as well.
- Discipline against Pryor. Tougher to stick to receivers because he might need help. Tougher to stick to receivers for longer. Posey - made some big plays with Pryor. Try to minimize that, make them earn it. Sanzenbacher started year as Pryor's go-to guy. Duron Carter is good too. Contain all three of those and the RBs.
- Little things add up and lead to opponents' big plays. Can't let that continue to occur. Have to just keep working on it. Don't let it disrupt your confidence. Confidence - if you can limit big plays, the defense has actually been solid. Hear outsiders talk about how bad the defense is. Can't let it get to you. Continue to work and get better. Do the little things.
- Is it disrespectful for Boren to go to the hated rival. "We're here and he's talking that the family values have eroded. Definitely, the family is still intact." He had to do what was best for him.
- Losing rivalry games is tough. Have to look on the bright side. Don't have anything to lose. Win this one, go to a bowl game. Something to look forward to winning this game. What's in the past is in the past, worry about what you can do in this game.
- Seen some great defenses this year - PSU, Iowa. OU has some solid guys, nobody stands out above everyone else they've seen this year.
- "I don't talk to him, I don't think about him. He doesn't come up in my daily life. I don't have to play against him on defense. I wish I could." Boren
- Tate and Denard don't need to be told things, they need to learn through intensity and preparation of teammates.
- This game is huge, last regular season game, last game of the year. It's everything. Unfinished business against OSU - haven't beaten them in 5 years. This is what we have, we're going practice hard. The context can only mean so much. Don't need a "little brother" mentality. It's Ohio State. Records mean nothing, etc. Don't need more analogies.Just prepare every day. This falls under every category - last game, bowl eligibility, OSU, etc.
- Hopefully we can get a big win, and the reality of never playing in M stadium again will kick in after the celebration.
- Scout team players go extra hard this week. Some guys that normally wouldn't be on scout team go down because they want to practice against the best.
- Omameh - nothing needs to be said to him. They'll watch film together. He'll show him what he needs to do to win. All we can ask is for him to play his heart out - and he will. As an OL, we are looking at their film to see how to attack their defense. I think we can do that.
- 70-80% underclassmen. Always great to see the young guys (tate) take leadership roles.
- Watched Purdue-OSU film. It's going to take our best effort to beat them. Purdue put together a great gameplan, and we've got one this week.
- When the offense goes in, no matter the game situation, they go in to score. The defense goes in to stop them. Our job is to score and win. We want to score more than the other team. Minor's gonna play. He'll play hard and run hard. This is his last game. Concerned about his health, but he'll do what he can. "He's gonna do great, he always does."
- Block-O tackling dummies are going to be in view all week. They have been all year. Lots of motivation to beat Ohio State. "If you can't get jacked up for this one, I don't know where you've been." If he doesn't beat Ohio State, it just wasn't meant to be. "We will beat them... sooner or later. Hopefully it's this Saturday."
- Defense wants to have their best game of the year. Even if old goals weren't achieved you have to set new goals. Time to play their best. They haven't had many games where they could say they played their best and got beat. Showed effort in the last game, but Wisconsin came out with a plan to exploit their weaknesses.
- BG trying to take it in now, since he's got one last game if they don't win. Kinda sad that his college career is done. Dreamt of this moment, now it's almost gone. Realized when he was watching Lamarr Woodley with the Steelers yesterday. Woodley told him to enjoy it, because it's over in a beat. Now he's telling the new young guys the same thing.
- He doesn't want to think about his kids now, but when he eventually has them, he'll tell them he got to play in the greatest game in the country. When his kids go here, it will always be something special when they play Ohio State. Couldn't send his kids to Ohio State "I'm not Justin Boren." He's got a lot of words for Boren. "Just somebody who shouldn't have been here in the first place... We'll see him Saturday." Our front four can get the job done. Boren's got to prove he's still got it. He was good here, but isn't as good there because it's O-State. Family values thing was just an excuse for Boren because he wanted to leave. Never gave the new coaches a chance. "Some people just leave because they feel like they're better than what they is. Not trying to put that much work into it.... a lot of people get lazy and feel like it's supposed to come to them."
- BG has noticed at times that he's a really good player on a bad defense. He doesn't worry about it, and just tries to get to the ball. He wants everyone else to play with the same attitude, they don't all grow as fast as others. Go hard every day. Whoever's in his way, he'll tell them to not come his way. He's in the best shape of his life, and he'll wear the opponent down.
- "It's about to be his last, next year" for Donovan Warren. Does he know Warren plans to stay or is he just saying that?
- Graham grew as a person and was humbled this year - can't take anything for granted. Feels like he could work harder or something to achieve success. My personal goals went OK, but it's about the team. I was happy to be able to help change the game and help my team. Stuff happens for a reason.
- Seniors want to leave with a win "What's a better way than to beat O-State?"
I'll call my sister tonight.
Have her take over a few friends with her.
Anyone know who the 5 or so coaches are that RR keeps in contact w/ for encouragement?
I'm just curious.
Also, do you think these coaches talk to each other during the season?
him being friends with Bob Stoops (M spoke to Oklahoma about using TEs more) and Urban Meyer (they used to share strategy, until RR went to M, and started to compete with him for FL recruits), but don't have a guess as to the rest (although apparently, GRob was a HC friend of his as well).
also...and has said this season that he talks to him regularly...he probably won't admit it, but i bet he talks with Mo and Lloyd this week and of course Hanlon stops by every week, so you sure as hell know he will have a thing or two to say to him. The best is Big Johnny (Equipment Mgr), he is an encyclopedia of knowledge on the rivalries and will be posting stuff all week. That was one of the coolest things about Ohio State week, seeing what he what he would post next and which players he would target during the week to remind them which all american or all big ten player they were going up against...i am sure there will be a thing or two for the D line on "Boron"....that's what Bo use to call Mike Boren when he messed up or was loafing it during practice.
"Brandon Minor is still nicked up, but he'll go if he can."
1) The team plays on a different level when Minor is in the game.
2) This is probably the last, and most important, game in Minor's Michigan career.
3) I do not wish additional pain on the man, but unless his legs literally fall off, he MUST play.
I'm a buckeye, but I really hope Minor can play. He's looked great and really adds another dimension to the offense. I bet he plays and has a good game.
Rivalry not as much fun for Ohio State fans when all outcomes result in a pyrrhic victory:
OSU Wins Big: "So you crushed our (second) worst team ever"
OSU Wins: "We almost beat you with our (second) worst team ever"
OSU Loses: "[Insert whatever told-you-so quote here]"
They might make personnel moves from offense to defense in the offseason.
Anyone have some thoughts on who could potentially switch to the defensive side?
Cameron Gordon to linebacker wouldn't be terribly surprising considering some teams wanted him there in the first place.
A: TWO. 2 wins in his first 7 years against OSU. Be honest, you guessed higher than 2 didn't you?
how much he struggled against OSU during the first phase of his career. I was in school at UM starting in '71, and the losses in '72, the tie in '73 which basically was a loss, '74, and '75 were all excruciating because they were all so closely fought contests. That's why there was graffiti in a couple of bar restrooms in town (Del Rio and Blind Pig) that said "Fire Bo & hire Linda Lovelace—she doesn't choke on the big one." It's amazing how quickly a fan base can become thoroughly infused with a sense of arrogant entitlement, isn't it?
Bo was lucky that he didn't coach in the internet/talk radio era. I think his head would have exploded. One thing is for sure, though: if the Freep smear had occurred during his tenure, Bo's assistants would have had to restrain him from physically going after those little worms Rosenberg and Snyder.
He needs to play. He adds something to our offense that is absolutely crucial. I think he'll be out there.
As for the outcome, call me crazy, but I think Michigan has a chance here. I feel OSU is overrated, and these rivalry games add a whole new dimension that just can't be explained. If the defense can play reasonably well, and they can avoid the big turnover, I think the Wolverines can definitely pull it out.
stay healthy, then sure but he always get hurt so chances of him seeing a lot of time on the field is not good.
It's too bad that Minor and Brown are injury prone or we'd be seeing a totally different offensive attack. Looks like Shaw may be heading down toward the similar career line as both of them. Shaw has been hurt last year and now this year.
considering it will (likely) be Minor's last game in a UM jersey, I'm more than confident he'll get at least 10 carries.
Knowing it's his last game and what's at stake, they would have to cart him off the field for an injury to keep him out.
I hope the underclassmen understand what it would mean for the seniors to pull this off.
I really hope that he CRUSHES Boren Saturday.
and I never wish injury on anyone. But seriously I hope he gets his knee twisted like a pretzel. What a jackpff.
Maybe it's me, but we always seem to have so many key injuries coming into the game. In 2007, it was Henne and Hart (that team wins with them healthy), last year we had to start Sheridan (not that it would make a big difference) and now it's our two RB's. Ohio State has guys banged up too, but lately, we are the ones limping into the contest.
Until it is no longer ever the case that MICHIGAN is woefully undermatched against ohio state, you will not be happy, nor in anyone's corner?
That is the most existentially tragic thing I have seen on this board.
I PHUCKING love BG.
"All coaches hate to lose. It eats at your soul. "I don't coach football, I live it." He loves what we're doing, so it eats at you to be unsuccessful. He's not used to losing, so it pretty much sucks. Each day is a new opportunity. This year or last year was the most emotionally taxing in his career."
When we see the Fire RR rants and are tempted to join in, we should remind ourselves that even though this program demands excellence, coaches feel just as crushed as fans do when things don't go well. It is taxing on everyone and my respect goes to RR for doing what he does.
I think he's well compensated to put up with it. Feel sorry for yourself (and myself) who get worked up in a lather for free.
this week was discussed. A variant of it was mentioned by every player, particularly as relates to the younger guys. Even with regard to Tate. Or am I over-reacting?
I'm guessing if we went back to last year and read the presser notes, they would have a similar tone. Sigh.
There's a quote in there about Roundtree being born in Pahokee - I know he went to high school in the Dayton area - But was he born in Pahokee, or the Miami area?
Just some clarification is needed - Possibly a typo
Nice catch. I saw that line too. I'm 95% sure he has nothing to do with Pahokee. I think the only guys from Pahokee are Odoms, V. Smith, and Hawthorne.
OSU's current stretch of success vs Michigan is 7-1. That means OSU would have to go 5-2 over their next 7 games vs Michigan just to equal M's glorious stretch from 1985 to 2000.
Despite the current state of affairs, I'm willing to bet that RR does not start his M career going 2-6 vs OSU. So the chances that OSU can even duplicate Michigan's run of success are pretty slim. Just something else to think about!
Well, if he starts off 0-3, that's only 2-3 the rest of the way. Now, the next five will start in Ann Arbor, so that would be a little disappointing, but not ridiculous.
I really don't mean to offend you (or anyone else on this board) but I am getting a little tired of all the posts pertaining to UM's storied past being a reason we will have success in the future. Do you even realize how many of our past records have fallen since 2007? And I am not talking about in a good way either.
We have seen on this board the "Purdue hasn't beat UM in AA since 19__" and "MSU hasn't beat UM in back to back years since 19__". Seriously, do you want to keep throwing records out there with the knowledge that so many have already proven to be useless once the game starts?
I am a fan of RR and believe he will bring us back to prominence if given the chance. My faith in this has nothing to do with the fact that we are the winningest team in college football or how many streaks we have against other teams. It is because I think RR knows what he is doing and is a damn good coach.
Just because we had success in the past doesn't neccessarily mean we are destined for it in the future, and posts that imply that are starting to turn my stomach.
i don't think many fans who have followed this rivalry would be surprised if michigan beats osu on sat. http://www.writingthepine.com/2009/11/16/um-vs-osu-part-i-we-must-win-we...
Performing giddy cartwheel to keg stands and looking for a sparty neighbor's porch sofa.
The combination of talent and scheme on the defense have me concerned and not anticipating great things.
Is this a typo? I know the guy went to HS in Dayton...anyone know if this is true or not?
Roundtree went to Madison Trotwood which is in Dayton, OH.
a) We will have won the damn game.
b) Seeing the battle between Boren and the D-line.
c) We will have won the damn game!
Part of the interview was omitted:
- Understands the importance of the rivalry.
- Is aware that the OSU game means more than any other game on the schedule to anyone involved with the program, and to the fans.
- Gets that this game is big every year, not like anything he ever encountered in the Big East.
- Understands the rivalry, okay? So you can stop asking him about that already.
- STOP ASKING ME ABOUT THE F***ING RIVALRY. I GET IT. I'VE BEEN AROUND COLLEGE FOOTBALL FOR MORE THAN A COUPLE DAYS. I'M AWARE THAT MICHIGAN AND OHIO STATE IS BIG AND GRAND AND GREAT. GAME OF THE CENTURY AND ALL THAT. ESPN PIMPING IT. SO STOP. JUST STOP.
The old poker "ONE TIME", eh?
The Moose-man seemed to be one of the more candid speakers here. From (kind of) calling out guys for lack of effort, for saying how he really feels about Boron, etc.
I wonder then what is to be made of "Watched Purdue-OSU film. It's going to take our best effort to beat them. Purdue put together a great gameplan, and we've got one this week."
What might that entail? This offense has seemed incredibly vanilla all season. Very few new plays or formations. We've seen the triple option, will they expand on that? (or at least execute it better) What about the formation with Denard in the backfield with Tate; Double pass? Some crazy ninja shit where Tate, Denard, or C.Brown can throw? Also, we haven't seen much of Denard lately either. Is it possible that he's been practicing for this game for weeks while Tate prepares for the upcoming game?
I don't know, we need something. Something more than we've seen so far.
I'm a Buckeye fan that will attempt an answer. Purdue and Iowa both utilized a lot of short drops with quick throws to offset the OSU pass rush or rolled the QB out to buy time against it. Your staff may be looking at combining that with utilizing your QBs' running abilities. If I were the OSU coaching staff I'd certainly be thinking along these lines defensively.
Regarding post #3, you have to wonder if he really does get the rivalry if he is tired of hearing about it. And he doesn't need to hear about the rivalry from former coaches? chalk up a Michigan career with no wins over OSU for RR, no matter how long the career is. Unitl now, I thought he really understood Michigan. Now, I am not sure he well ever get it.
I didn't take it as him not wanting to hear about the rivalry. I looked at it as him not wanting to be asked if he understands the rivalry.
Hell, of course he understands it. He's lost to OSU. It would be one thing if they'd pulled off a win last year, especially in a losing season, and his reaction was "good, but we still had a losing season". But with the losing season and a loss to OSU, and the possibility of repeating that, if he didn't realize it in the first place (which I think would be impossible for any college coach), he sure would get it now.
Could be all those extra, unverified, unlogged, practice and weight room hours.
EDIT: Doesn't really matter, though. It's not about the offense. OSU defense is awesome (again). This game is about controlling tempo, winning the turnover battle and stopping them on defense (yikes). OSU is not great on offense. Maybe UM can pull one out for RR and crew. If UM wins, it will be a low scoring game, IMHO.
Or...maybe TP will have trouble with the law before the game. You know, 'cause, "everyone murders..." :)
Beat the Buckeyes!!
But if Craig Roh swims past Boren and sacks Pryor, it may just be the win I need for the long offseason.
Graham made some comment about Warren's senior year. I really hope that means he's staying at U of M. I seriously doubt that will be the case though. While I dream of having a solid secondary (Turner and Warren at the corners, Woolfolk at FS, and Marvin Robinson/Cullen Christian at SS) with the chance that the NFL creates a rookie pay scale after this year I think a lot of juniors will go pro.
So many people are saying this, yet I have a hard time seeing how he would benefit financially from this move.
Let's say that they do implement a pay scale for rookies (and that is still not a sure thing), that scale will impact all rookies next year. I believe its intent is on lowering the first rounders contracts but obviously players picked in subsequent rounds will also drop as a result obviously.
Situation 1: He goes pro this year. He would likely be stuck somewhere in the third round, maybe worse. He looked great early on this year but has looked less spectacular against our recent (more talented) competition. Seriously, I see third round all over him if he goes this year. What is an average third rounders salary? I'm not certain but you can bet it is significantly less than the first rounders.
Situation 2: He stays and has a much better year on a much improved defense. Draft stock rises and he becomes a late first round pick under the new rookie pay scale. I would seriously doubt, that under this new scale, a first rounder would make less than a third rounder did the year before. This is just speculation on my part, but I seriously doubt that would happen.
Final Scenario: He stays and no new pay scale is implemented.
I don't see him losing anything at all by staying the extra year (not even money). The difference in salary between a third rounder and first rounder is significant. If he left this year and signed a five year deal as a third rounder worth about $1 million dollars less per year than he would have as a first rounder, he would never make that money back. If he waits and signs as a 5 year deal as a first rounder he would make that money he missed out on by staying back before his contract was up.
All hypothetical figures and everything, but I just don't see him leaving as being a foregone conclusion.