I think we just need to go pound the rock.
this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
"You should have used a different game plan."
Your rushing offense –
“A lot of negative yardage plays. I thought there were some pretty good runs once in a while in there, but you snap the ball for a 20 yard loss, you get sacked I don’t know how many times, so your yardage part of it isn’t very good. You put yourself behind the 8-ball a little bit not executing, and then you’re forced into doing some things you don’t want to do the whole time.”
What does the offensive line need to do to protect Devin better and avoid sacks?
“It’s not just the line. There’s backs involved, there’s routes involved, there’s timing, all those issues are part of it. We have to get better.”
Did all the shuffling on the offensive line have something to do with it?
What’s Devin’s status? He sat out the last series.
“Yeah, he got pounded a little bit. He was a warrior out there that last drive before the interception at the end. He did a nice job getting us down the field, had taken a lot of shots early in the game. He just was a little bit worn out.”
Does he have an injury?
“No. I wouldn’t say he has an injury. I would say beat up. If that’s an injury, then that’s an injury.”
In the history of this game, the team that rushes for more yards wins. How critical was the rushing game today?
“Well it’s always critical.”
Why do you think there were so many negative yardage plays?
“We didn’t execute as well as they did.”
Taylor Lewan’s personal foul?
“I didn’t see that. I think that’s his frustration more than anything.”
You had a couple trips to the red zone in the first half. Did you think about taking a shot in the end zone at all?
“I think if we wanted to take a shot, we would have.”
There’s a lot of talk before the game about the toughness gap between the two teams.
“By … you guys?”
“From two years ago.”
Right. Did it disappoint you that the gap seems to have widened?
“I don’t think so. I think our kids played hard. I don’t think we executed very well. There’s eight to six plays in a game like this that make a difference. And if you go back and watch it again, you’ll see there’s eight to six plays that made a difference in the game from a standpoint of momentum, standpoint of confidence, and what you want to do. That’s part of it.”
How big was it to give up that touchdown before the half?
“That was a disappointing drive there at the end of the half. It drives you crazy. You give up points right at the end of the half, and it’s disappointing.”
How do you not allow a game like this to beat you next week?
“Well hopefully you do a great job as a group of leaders. Talk about coaches, senior captains, all those guys. Understanding where we are and what we need to do. I know they signed up for a guaranteed 12 games.”
With so much emphasis on a Big Ten title, what does this team have to play for?
“Still. It’s not in our hands. But you never know unless you’re forecasting for us now. Who knows?”
Does it surprise you that there was a lack of execution with the two weeks off?
“No. I think there’s more made out of that than anything else. Does it surprise me? Yeah. It surprises me. It has nothing to do with two weeks.”
Did you think you’d be further along?
“Well I was hoping.”
Is it coaching that you have to go back and look at?
“You always do.”
MGoQuestion: Going along with that, were you satisfied with the preparation and game plan?
“Yes. We wouldn’t have run the plays we ran unless we were satisfied.”
MGoFollowup: But considering the result …
“Hindsight’s always 20/20, right?”
What did you make of Michigan State’s defensive line and Shillique Calhoun?
“I think he’s a good football player. We’ve had a lot of respect for their defense all week going into this game, and I grabbed Max Bullough afterwards because he’s one of the guys I like watching play football. We have a lot of respect for them.”
Do you think the identity of this team is that it needs to get better in the trenches?
“That’s part of it. We haven’t played the way we like to every game.”
When Devin did have time, how did you think he played?
“I don’t know. Pretty good. But it would be nice to give him more time.”
What do you tell your fan base and alumni about dropping five of the last six games to Michigan State?
“Well, they’ve won five of the last six. Something like that. Well, we gotta keep working.”
Five of six is pretty significant. Do you think there’s that big of a gap?
“I don’t think there is a gap. I think they played awfully well, executed awfully well. I don’t think we did.”
I think we just need to go pound the rock.
Let's bring back Lloyd he used to beat state all the time.
I am convinced that the way this team is playing falls on the coaching. There are teams in this league that are playing freshman on their o-line that do not have this many problems. I understand loyalty and can sympathize with coach hoke, but changes need to be made. I am in the fence about Borges but I think it is time for funk to go. There is no way the line should be this bad. We have the talent, we just need to coach these kids up. I use the 49ers as a reference. They were alright and when Harbaugh took over they took the next step. The only different variable was the coaching.
Comparing professionals to college players isn't a good idea. sF was loaded with talent and had a system in place. Michigan is still acquiring talent and doesn't have a system in place. The biggest problem has been not implementing what they wanted from day one. Take your lumps in year 1 and 2 to establish identity, now you are in year three and just trying to implement a system with everyone, including Lewan and Schofield instead of having two guys with 3 years experience in trying to do what you want.
Mattison's game plan was sound, you wouldn't expect MSU to have 4 79+yd 10+ play drives resulting in two TDs and two field goals, they hadn't done it all year. Borges had a good game plan with some bad calls mixed in (3rd and two read option inside the red zone). We simply can't execute, wether it is coaching in practice or just being intimidated by the moment, we flat out have no big time play makers on either side of the ball. We have had very few game changing plays go in our favor all year. The ND game may very well be the high point of our season. At this point Hoke and company should get some slack (he has more BCS bowl appearances and wins than Dantonio).
we flat out have no big time play makers on either side of the ball.
This is so mind-blowingly wrong that I'm tempted to just disregard everything you post from this point forward. This is close to 2+2=5 wrongness.
Gallon and Funchess can't throw it to themselves so they are negated. Jake Ryan on defense who else? Gardner to an extent but he has made as many bad plays as good ones, his int's aren't coaching errors.
I guess you have some fucked-up definition of "playmaker" if that's the best you can do to rationalize your inanity.
You actually answered that question and then made bullshit excuses. Apparently you don't think pass catchers of any kind can be playmakers and you identified a defensive playmaker despite claiming there were none.
When we needed a play to be made at Penn State and at MSU no one made that game changing play. Also in both games our opponent made every play they needed to make to win. Cooks first half TD pass is one he has missed 8-10 times this year.
Is it non sequitur hour yet again? What does this have to do with what either of us said thus far? At Penn State, James Ross and Frank Clark started the 2nd half momentum, then Gardner and Funchess teed off for a bit. We made plays. Then the coaches decided to bleed an entire quarter of football and Channing Stribling got burned because he's not a playmaker (yet).
Desmond Morgan saved our bacon at UConn, as did Fitz.
We missed a few open opportunities yesterday, yes. Those opportunities were few and far between because Gardner was eating dudes constantly. This is something entirely different from saying something as idiotic as "we have no playmakers."
PSU game, Stribling has two chances to end the game, doesn't make a play. 1st half MSU, Gardner is late getting the ball out the entire first half. If you are a playmaker you consistently make plays, they don't gave be spectacular, but they have to be made at critical times. We have Jake Ryan who has done that consistently on defense and Gallon on offense. Funchess has been great at times but has dropped numerous balls as well.
So not only do you not admit to your earlier stupidity, but yet again distract from the issue. I specifically stated that Stribling is not a playmaker. Why are you acting as if I stated the exact opposite? English? Do you speak it?
Furthermore, what does this have to do with anything you said in that first fucktarded comment? We HAVE playmakers. We need to get them the ball and/or in position to succeed. Gardner is most definitely a playmaker, but it's a little hard for him to make plays when he's getting crubberated every play.
At some point, this lack of execution falls squarely on the coaches and their inability to put the kids in a position to succeed. The execution argument doesn't cut it for me.
Yes, you're 100% correct. But, going back to what I said earlier. What if the coaches ARE, in fact, putting the players "in postion to succeed" but they're just not good enough or experienced enough to do so? What I mean is, a coach can impart all his wisdom and experience on to a player, but if he's not up to the task, and he's all you've got, what then?
If they execute in practice and then don't in the game then what? As someone who has coached you have teams like that. Having said that, our coaches have had moments of complete meltdown status.
That's kind of saying that we got all the players that can't finish onto this one time. There's no chance in wonderland that's the case. We've got four stars galore, players one would think are high-achieving types that have a good arrogance about them.
If we had one or two kids that consistantly underachieve, maybe that's just a problem with the kids. But when the whole team cannot reach the next level, it is clearly the responsibility of the coaches.
Michigan State and Penn State this year, not to mention Akron and UConn, do not get nearly the same quality of recruits that Michigan does. Therefore, to me it looks like Michigan should have better execution than any of those teams do.
Yet, we do not. Michigan State and Penn State play against us as if they have high-profile recruits banging on their door, begging for an offer.
Clearly, it's not the players' fault (I consider blaming execution to be blaming the players). Execution is a problem that is about good days and bad days. The good guys are bad all the time. Therefore, it is really a problem of player development and/or game plan.
what possible reason could there be for them having 4 79+yrd 10+ play drives when it hadn't happened all year?
Hoke should get no slack IMHO. the Penn State loss was totally on Hoke. Horrendous decision making at the end of that game created the situation where we had to beat Sparty. The team was not prepared, period. Sparty did nothing new but this coaching staff was unable to develop any effective strategy despite two weeks to prepare. Lewan said they ran the same exact blitzes as they did ini 2011. So what was our plan to address that? Have a 190 lb running back block an all american blitzing linebacker. No excuses. These are Hoke's players and it is his coaching staff. He needs to show improvement. period.
We see it every game. We have one game plan which is the same against every team we face and never adjust when it doesn't work. pay attention to what is happening on the field.
And I don't want to hear the word execution one more time. If your team can't execute something - don't run the play!!! Are we supposed to believe that these coaches can get these guys to run these plays all week in practice, but come game time, they can't run them???? BS. These coaches need to figure out what these kids ARE capable of running and stick to those two or three plays. Coming out after a bye, and looking lost, confused and totally unprepared against a rival that has owned you should get these coaches no slack. I love Brady Hoke's Michigan Man-ness and I love how he tries to take responsibility for everything as the HC, but the bottom line is that we have an average coach at best.
to even think Hoke is going to give any specific ansers to the questions. Even the most basic of questions gets a canned response.
Lets face it.....Hoke has no clue what to do in the face of all of this. He has a team that does NOTHING very well. At the very best we are barely average in some areas.
As for his recruiting prowess...even that is suspect. So far there is no improvement in players that should be showing at least a glimmer of being coached up. There are big time college programs all over the country doing a lot more with a lot less in terms of the quality of the recruits. All the Hoke apologists here need to realize that it means NOTHING if you bring in a class of 4 and 5 star recruits if you dont know how to make them into stud college players.
This team is a long long ways from being in the same class as OSU. Its also a long ways from even competing with the likes of MSU, Wisconsin, and fergodsakes we actually lost to Penn St.!
The rest of this season and the next are looking very bleak regardless of recruiting. And i can see where even some recruits that are paying attention are having 2nd thoughts about joining this team and its apparent lack of direction.
Agree. I wholeheartedly don't give a shit about stars. But where I think this staff has excelled in recruiting is in getting the right numbers from a pure roster management standpoint. We recruited 10 linemen the last two years because we needed them. Coach Rod recruited 6 over three years, and only 4 remain. The situation is roughly the same on the defensive line, where one interior guy, Richard Ash, was recruited over a span of three years.
I'm not blaming Coach Rod for everything, but at least this staff is getting the numbers game right. Out of the 10 linemen we recruited in the last 2 years, we only need 4-6 to actually be good. This is the way to build a team. You can't recruit one guy in a given year, or you're left with our 2010 line class that consists of no one and is fucking us up the ass right this moment.
So, when people say Hoke is good at recruiting, I agree. It has nothing to do with stars. Talent evaluation, yes (Jake Ryan 3*, Desmond Morgan 3*, Channing Stribling 2*, etc), roster management, hell yes.
My last question would be "why do you even hold press conferences?"
What a waste of time.
i'm sure contractually he has to, but this..
I'm sure this is the film you want to be watching on your birthday!
so what did you do during the bye week to better prepare for this game? It appears you didn't do anything.
Welllll ya know that 5 day hoagie Bender didn't help much.
happen until after the season. People can rant and rave all they want, but this team isn't going to get much better this season. UM is what it is. The time for raging should come in spring if no serious changes have been made to offensive staff.
I disagree. Teams can improve considerably during the season. Not just in the off season. Just look at the team that just wiped its rear end with us as an example.
was supposedly once asked at a press conference after a rough loss what he thought of his team's execution. He replied, "I'm all for it."
Too bad, since these conferences are all about deflection. "Execution" is a meaningless term.
That is all.
Fire Borges and Funk.
but seriously anyone will do
6 to 8 plays were the difference? Almost would have preferred to have the press corps just get up and leave the room after that answer.
How about one of those tipped and nearly intercepted passes actually being an INT? Or the fumble recovered OB going our way? Or, what about if Allen had been ejected for targeting on the first play of the game when he clearly lead his hit on Gallon's head with his helmet? Or, what if that flukey 49 yard pass to the FB didn't happen? I think EVERY game comes down to a few plays that could go either way. It seemed to me that MSU's intensity ramped up, like sharks smelling blood in the water. Had a few early breaks gone our way, it might have been different. Who knows?
Suspicious? LOL, ok whatever you say BILG. LOL!
Yep you caught me. I am part of Brandon's "internet damage control" team...making sure that the reactionary fans that refuse to actually do any research into the causes of Michigan's struggles finally "get it." LOL! You're a peach BILG!
Way too many. What if in the two weeks of preparation they came up with a game plan that utilized our strengths and protected our weaknesses. If the players are blamed for not executing the plan, maybe the plan wasn't designed with our limitations in mind.
By mid-way through the third quarter it was obvious we were getting dominated. And our game plan was a clusterf*ck. This was a failure on multiple levels.
Hire Ditka. That is all.
Urban. He looks like he's yelling "Where the hell did I leave my wallet and keys?"
Hoke actually looks pretty bad ass in that picture.
But I suppose you're one of those people that thinks a headset provides some sort of magical ability to make someone prepare the team better throughout the week or develop players more quickly?
= thug? Not in my world.
Perhaps Denard masked what none of us wants to admit - that the is a very mediocre coaching staff. Sure Hoke can recruit but he has not showed he can coach. His best contribution was recruiting Mattison and getting top recruits. He has done nothing with the talent. We give him a break because of 2011. Is it possible that season may be more about the key players on the team than the coaching staff turning the program around. The bottom line is Hoke was an average coach (in terms of wins) at middling programs. He had not won anything as a head coach and I am afraid we are in for years of mediocrity until the alumni get so fed up they force a change. Sad but true
Yeesh ya'll dramatic.
Guy loses and suddenly the way he behaves at his press conferences is ALL WRONG. I hope the venting makes you feel better, at least.