Who does everything think will be our starting DBs and Safties in 2009 season?
Obviously Cisoko and Warren for DB, but who else? Brandon smith? Vlad Emilien? Justin Turner? Am I missing upperclassmen who could be starting safties?
we have a FR at safety.
agree. none of the frosh safeties will start. Smith will be in the mix though.
Stevie Brown is, perhaps unfortunately, still around.
I move that we quit throwing Stevie Brown under the bus. Maybe he'll have a breakout year? It seems like several dbs last year had a tougher time than they should have. Maybe if English and Bedford had stuck around there would have been more continuity etc. Christ I don't know.
English is one of the main culprits for our safety issues.
I feel like our safety issues have always been around in the long tradition of UM football...I don't remember the last time we had consistently good safetys. I don't think this was on English, as he didn't really have the cream of the crop in talent at the position. I do think Bedford had a great impact on our secondary in the year he was here, but that could've been the result of many things.
Jamar Adams was ridiculous. Go back and watch last years Capital One bowl. you'll be all like "omg, that's what a safety does"
Boo Boo and D. Warren at CB
Stevie B and Michael Williams at S
That's the odds-on favorite, unless Brandon Smith or a true freshman (probably Emilien, maybe Bell) surges ahead of Mike Williams. Unlikely, at least to start the season, but don't be surprised if we have a freshman at the top of the depth chart by the end of the season. As disappointing as Stevie B. has been, he definitely played well at times. Safety's a high-risk position and it's hard to imagine the coaches feeling a freshman would be less likely to make big mistakes.
Warren and Cissoko are obvious starters at corner. Woolfolk will almost definitely be next in line, and Turner after that.
can we get him a protractor for the offseason?
plastic one under one of those quarterback flip-up armband things for him. Might be tough to use on the run though.
Cissoko and Warren at CB to start the season with Brown and Williams at S with Woolfolk as the 5th DB when we go that route, but I imagine the 5th guy ends up being Turner at some point in the season, and Smith certainly could unseat Williams at some point, but not likely early.
Woolfolk isn't really a slot corner type of guy. When Williams came in, he was the understudy to Harrison at slot corner. And even though Williams played safety last year, I think he'd play slot corner again before Woolfolk would.
Depth chart as I see it:
Field corner: Warren, Woolfolk
Boundary corner: Cissoko, Turner
Free safety: Williams, Brown
Strong safety: Brown, Smith, Bell
Slot corner: Turner, Floyd
stevie brown is going to have a break out year??? are f'ing kidding me!!!! this kid is now going on his 4th year in the program (regardless of coaching changes) and hasn't gotten any better!!! if anythig move his sorry ass up to LB so that we can let one of the younger kids play at S.
You may be right. But he can't shoulder all the blame can he? I thought it was weird last season how severely Trent dropped off. He was looking like a potential All American at the end of 07.
Big difference is he had Englemon and Adams backing him up in 07 and Brown and Harrison in 08.
That's absolutely right. Adams was especially underrated as it turns out.
Don't count out the kid just yet. He's had how many position coaches/DC's in his time at Michigan? And last year they were doing some different things in the secondary than they did under the previous staff. I've seen players turn it around in one year, especially their senior year. You can read my diary post about the Gagliardi finalist for an example. I'm not saying its going to happen, but its possible.
i don't care how many coaches he has had while hes been at michigan. he has not gotten any better since high school. i sit here and read about how 5 & 4 star players never pan out when they get to college. well guess what stevie brown is one of them. if any one remembers he started the 1st 2 games of the 2007 season in which he got burned how many times??? then the light clicked on in englishs head and he moved him to 2nd string. and the back end of the D played much better. this past year since we were so thin at S spot stevie had to play. and i hopped the he was going to be able to setup, then the ND game happened. yeah its not all on him, some of it is on stewart (who is just as bad), but i was replying to the person that stevie was going to have a break out year. like i said before move him up to LB or like another person said have him play the same position that harrison played this past year. just keep him away from covering WR.
Nobody goes to Michigan, busts their ass for three or four years and doesn't get better. Maybe they don't turn into a superstar, but they improve. Stevie Brown also made some good plays last year even with his mistakes. Maybe he won't turn into a first round draft pick, but a solid 2009 from him is not an unreasonable expectation.
Saying that Stevie hasn't improved, AT ALL, from the ASU game to now is a little misguided, don't you think?
Stevie is not an OMG SUPERSTAR safety. This I agree with. But you also have to consider that just because he happens to be the last guy around on some long plays doesn't necessarily mean he was the guy that was supposed to be covering that pass. And it's mildly unfair to blame every long run on him, especially when a lot of these long runs involve 2 LBs missing easy tackles.
Unfortunately, it's Brown. I'd like to think Smith rotates in.
Is it wrong that I am drinking so much on a Monday?
Probably. But take solace in the fact that you're not alone.
...DB = defensive back.
Cornerbacks and safeties are both DB's. Asking who our starting corners and DB's will be is somewhat redundant...
CB: Cissoko, Warren
S: Brown, Williams (it's a toss-up between Williams and Smith, but Williams has more experience, so I'll go with him)
slot corner: Turner
How is Charles Stewart not getting blamed for half of the shitty plays that happened. At least Stevie made a few good plays and when he screwed up it was by taking a bad angle not blowing a complete coverage. Stewart's football sense or IQ or savvy or whatever the fuck you want to call it made the whole field smell like ass.
I disagree with your assessment of Brown's coverage abilities. See: long pass plays against Notre Dame, OSU, and Northwestern (that I can remember off the top of my head).
I think Steve Brown should be used in the Brandon Harrison role this year and be primarily a blitzer that covers only when absolutely necessary
As far as starters, Cissoko and Warren are locked in at corner...I'd like to see Mike Williams or Justin Turner at FS and Brandon Smith at SS...If JTurner doesn't start at FS, he or Troy Woolfolk will hopefully be the NB
Justin Turner is coming in as a cornerback.
I don't think it's out of the question for Turner to be a free safety. I know Turner has been told they want him as a corner, but if he comes in and he's better than the other free safeties, then they'll want to get him on the field as much as possible.
has been an above-average-to-good safety 75% of the time. He's just had the worst luck imaginable, with everyone of his mistakes seemingly resulting in a TD.
I take it J.T. Floyd and Troy Woolfolk aren't considered as good as some of the others mentioned?
It might seem crazy, but I'd kinda like to see Booboo at free safety and Turner at corner instead (eventually), since Booboo is so short and Turner has considerably better size and has shown the potential to be a great corner. I might be nuts, but really.
Yes, this does seem crazy. Booboo's strengths are his physicality at the line of scrimmage and his ability to shadow a receiver. If he played free safety, those things would totally be negated.
cissoko is very good in space (ie, knowing where to be & when, esp in zone). this goes quintuple for a position he's never played, ever.
Are we sure Cissoko is the other CB this season?
I think Turner might beat out Cissoko at some point, but probably not this year.
Warren and Cissoko at CB, with Turner as the Nickel.
Brown and Williams at S, with Smith likely being the first guy of the bench.
I thought Williams played absolutely fine last year...
Smith is supposed to be, at this point, shaky in pass coverage, so I subscribe to Magnus' POV that coupling him with Brown would get pretty dicey.
I'm impressed that you remember my opinion from prior discussion.
Like a steel trap, I am.
I think Chitowns lineup sounds right.
I'm high on Cissoko, I think he's gonna be great.
Right here and now I predict Cissoko intercepts a Jimmy Clausen ball and then Clausen cries while Weis feeds him Chunky Chicken Noodle soup on the sideline during the ensuing 60yrd Michigan touchdown drive that culminates with Hemingway bringing down a high ball in the endzone and officially announcing his full recovery from mono-nucleosis and ushering himself to a comfy seat in our hearts and minds where he will sit for the duration of his career at M.
Ok, maybe that's more of a hope than a prediction but it looks really good in my minds eye.
I hope someone corrects me if I am wrong.
But, isn't Turner coming in with as many accolades as Warren and Cissoko did when they arrived on campus.
Those two contributed almost immediately. Shouldn't we expect Turner to play at least as often as those guys. Or at least somewhere between Warren '07, who eventually grabbed a starting role, and Cissoko '08, who never really became a starter, but received more and more playing time as the year went on (and I feel should have played even more).
D-War is entering his junior year? Holy crap am I getting old.
I like Turner more than I like Cissoko. Cissoko is the best technician I've ever seen coming out of high school, but he's a bit limited physically and he made some mental mistakes last year that he'll probably correct as he gets experience.
But honestly, I think Turner could come in and start at corner or free safety immediately. The guys at Rivals said the only thing that kept him from getting a fifth star is that the evaluators were unsure whether he has elite speed to turn and run with receivers. Turner lacks some of the agility of Warren, but is more physical and, in my opinion, has better ball skills.
If you asked me right now to pick the the cornerback on the team who's most likely to be an All-American sometime in his career, I'd pick Turner over Warren and Cissoko.