Is Michigan Oversigning? No. Comment Count

Brian

Brad-Hawkins

my favorite part of this conversation is people looking at Brad Hawkins and Brad Hawkins in consecutive recruiting classes and identifying them as separate people

Michigan's large recruiting classes the last couple years occasionally see grenades lobbed at Harbaugh and accusations that Michigan has "sold its soul" leveled. These accusations are dumb, whether they come from 'Bama hilljacks in my twitter mentions or Stewart Mandel.

The problem with oversigning is not that any year in particular has a lot of kids in one recruiting class but that certain schools used to go well over 85 on Signing Day and had to cut 8-10 kids by fall. (This was usually just Alabama.) The hue and cry about the practice was at least partially successful in reining it in, as Power 5 conferences initiated restrictions on the practice. The Big Ten allows it, but it allows just three and supposedly you have to explain where the scholarship is coming from. Michigan operates in that environment.

And in any case, the amount of attrition needed for Michigan to get under 85 despite back-to-back large classes is well within the bounds of normal. Michigan's roster is comprised of their last five recruiting classes:

2013. 27 recruits, with those remaining all redshirt seniors. There are 5: Patrick Kugler, Henry Poggi, Mike McCray, Maurice Hurst, and Khalid Hill. They have two fifth-year senior transfers, John O'Korn and Ty Isaac. Michigan also expects to bring back sixth year senior Drake Johnson.

2014. 17 recruits. One, Blake O'Neill, was a grad transfer with one year of eligibility. A second, Jabrill Peppers, was three-and-out to the NFL draft. That leaves 15 kids who could be on this year's team. 12 are.

2015. 14 recruits. All could be on this year's team. 12 are.

2016. 27 recruits who actually signed and/or enrolled. Dytarious Johnson and Brad Hawkins ended up going to prep school, with Hawkins joining the 2017 class. Ahmir Mitchell and Devin Asiasi transferred. The other 25 are on the roster.

2017. 30 recruits. Possible one or two might end up in the same boat as Hawkins.

8 + 15 + 14 + 27 + 30 is 94, meaning that Michigan had to lose nine players naturally over the course of the last four recruiting classes to avoid oversigning. Michigan's lost seven. You can be the judge of how natural they are:

  • Brady Pallante took a medical hardship scholarship.
  • Michael Ferns transferred to WVU after one year under Brady Hoke.
  • Freddy Canteen had injury issues and recently announced a grad transfer to Notre Dame.
  • Andrew David transferred to TCU to play baseball.
  • Brian Cole ran afoul of team rules, ended up at a JUCO, and will play at Mississippi State this fall.
  • Ahmir Mitchell transferred to Rutgers after one semester.
  • Devin Asiasi, depressingly, transferred after a highly promising freshman year.

That is far from an unreasonable amount of natural attrition for an 85-man football roster, especially because the latter three were highly ranked guys who lasted at most one year. Highly touted guys don't get run off that quickly.

That leaves two spots left, one of which is known and should be announced in the near future. I'm not sure of the second, but the worst case scenario is that Michigan does not bring back a fifth year senior who has a degree in hand and can use his final year of eligibility elsewhere. More likely is someone lighting out for greener pastures voluntarily.

If that's "selling your soul," we're going to have to invent some new lingo for Baylor. Michigan is only oversigning if you consider the practice of offering redshirted seniors a firm handshake instead of a fifth year to be oversigning. That's something literally every school in the country does annually, and is bad-faith pearl-clutching by anyone who would attempt to use that as a slam against Harbaugh.

Comments

Ali G Bomaye

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

Back in the 90s, when I started getting into sports, SportsCenter was essential viewing, because it was the only way to see all the awesome plays from the night before.

Now that highlights are all over Twitter and the rest of the internet pretty much instantly, sports shows don't have a legitimate reason to exist, hence all the manufactured controversy.

trueblueintexas

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:28 PM ^

Many years ago I couldn't end a day without having watched SportsCenter. Now when I pull up the guide, if I see SportsCenter is on I immediately see what's on other channels. You don't actually learn about what happened that day in sports anymore. Most of the time it's two ESPN people talking to each other.

gmoney41

March 3rd, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^

ESPN should really take a hard look at the EPL's match of the day show.  2 hours of highlights, not much talking head nonsense.  I've watched sports long enough to know what is going on in a sporting event, I don't need some idiot like Chris Carter giving me "the scoop".  I haven't watched sportcenter in probably 10 years, and I can't say that I miss it whatsoever.  

a different Jason

March 4th, 2017 at 4:35 AM ^

When you think about it, how can you screw up SportsCenter? It's two people using catch phrases like 'cool as the other side of the pillow' or 'you can't stop him...' but ESPN managed to screw it up. They need to hit rewind, go back to what made them awesome. Social Media has nothing to do with Sportscenter lack of viewership. If Sportscenter was still awesome, people would watch.

UMBSnMBA

March 5th, 2017 at 9:49 AM ^

I feel like I can't watch anything involving any kind of news without getting some slant or someone's take on it.  The worst "Fake News" is when someone is reporting their opinion on something rather than just the facts and passing it along as if it is fact. 

Sorry, this wasn't meant to be political because it applies to the entire spectrum.

DairyQueen

March 4th, 2017 at 12:33 AM ^

This is actually what's happening with Hollywood as well. It's declining, in reach, and in overall viewership.

People thought "Reality TV" was just a fad, but now "reality" is the tele-visual ability. Like this site, and your mention of Twitter. The controversy that Channels like ESPN are now utilizing is in direct response to the internet and everyone being able to "just see the clips" themselves, sans commentary (unless it's good commentary of course, but good commentary requires thoughtfulness, and thus time, therefore it will never be immediate, like Outside The Lines or 30 For 30).

The News had to do this in the earlier stages of the internet. Because News could be read. So it was read online. But there wasn't enough Bandwidth, or Processing power for High quality images, video and sound, so things like sports couldn't follow suit. But now the technology is there. And now the sports bar is being replaced, to some extent, with the teams forum on the internet.

Times they are a-changin!

Starkii

March 3rd, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^

Thanks for that euphemism. The imagery that goes along with it is priceless. It has a splash of (very appropriate) southern charm and a dash of emasculation to top it off. +12 motes of appreciation to you.

trueblueintexas

March 3rd, 2017 at 11:58 AM ^

Wouldn't you have to be able to count to 86 to know if over-signing is taking place? Don't blame the SEC for something they can not control. 

I hear MSU's roster limit this year is only 3-9. 

J_Dub

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:06 PM ^

This is a helpful and informative breakdown of the roster and why "oversigning" in moderation makes a lot of sense.  The point about degree + handshake makes a ton of sense too.

One question, what happens to a medical hardship scholarship guy (Pallante was mentioned, but can speak generally)?  Does he get 4 years at Michigan with the same scholarship benefits he would have had if he stayed on the team?  If so, this all seems very fair to me...

 

 

Yinka Double Dare

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

It's fair if the doctors really do think he is injured to the point he can't play. There may have been some hijinks at Bama on how they were moving guys to medicals (they used it a ton more than everyone else during their oversigning era). 

Occasionally there are disagreements between the doctors and the player (Ondre Pipkins, for example). 

creelymonk10

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:14 PM ^

I would still love if the NCAA used the idea you like of a 25 player cap on each recruiting year, and doing away with the 85 total scholarships, having no cap. No oversigning, no reason to force players out. Would only need a limit on how many transfers you can take in a year. Don't know why this doesn't get more run.

Gameboy

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

I am usually the first and harshest to call for self reflection on various topics (including the late commit drops last year), but this is all BS. I trust Harbaugh's ethics over practically every coach in NCAA, in any sport. The man clearly cares about his kids and his university's reputation.

The willingness to push NCAA boundaries in the area where they are at there most ridiculous is something I consider a virtue.

It is funny how NCAA is so quick to react to "stop" Harbaugh when it serves SEC, but I doubt very much they will do anything to limit Harbaugh here.

bronxblue

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^

I've always found the loudest voices about most transgressions are (usually) the southern schools that want to draw attention away from, say, systemic payment of players, poor handling of sexual assaults by head coaches, and opening medical wings for kids who suddenly can't play football anymore...until they transfer. Michigan is doing the same basic planning they've always done; teams know how many kids are going to stick around, who's looking around, who has a degree in hand, etc. But guys like Finebaum and Mandel have to fill air time and deadlines, so they go after Harbaugh because he'll respond and their audiences like it. But honestly, and I don't use this term lightly: Fuck 'em. they're lazy and hypocritical, and that's fine. Harbaugh messed up with Swenson and Weaver, and he rightly got pilloried for it. But after what we've seen out of programs like Ole Miss, Tennessee, and Baylor recently, you'd think they'd have bigger fish to fry.

CalifExile

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:24 PM ^

Does Harbaugh really want Drake Johnson on the 2017 roster or is he just helping him get eligibility to seek a grad transfer?

With Evans, Higdon. Isaac, Walker and Davis plus the FBs and the 2 freshmen we seem pretty well set at RB. Brian advised that M isn't pursuing Aaron Cochran, the Cal OT who is looking for a grad transfer. M needs an experienced OT more than it needs a 6th RB.

dragonchild

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^

Johnson, if healthy, is still very much a weapon.  His ideal scheme is inside zone but his acceleration works for outside zone as well, and he's not redundant with the other RBs.

I was happy that Blake Countess transferred because his skillset was being wasted, Ross probably should've transferred and I wish success for Canteen and Morris.  But Johnson's good enough that I'd hate to see him on another team.  If he's healthy and gets a sixth year (never count on the NCAA to do the right thing), he should see the field on merit.

dragonchild

March 3rd, 2017 at 6:15 PM ^

IIRC, last season Evans wasn't trusted on 3rd downs at all.  I mean, I don't trust my memory so you shouldn't, but that was my impression.

Johnson doesn't have Smith's pass pro, but he's a plus receiver so he gives Michigan's 3rd down offense an added dimension.  On 3rd-and-manageable with Johnson you could play IZ, gap, OZ or a pass with Johnson running a wheel route or leaking into the flat.  That's a much better proposition than having a scrambleback try to get you 3-4 yards with the whole defense keying on him.

Evans ultimately has more upside and will probably get more early down carries, but if Johnson's healthy I think we'll see him more on 3rd downs now that Smith's gone.

Bigku22

March 3rd, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^

Michigan has a huge rabid fanbase (including online and via social media), and Jim Harbaugh is a very popular, interesting, and polarizing coach. Combine these 2 factors and you get every sports entertainment person in the biz wanting to dish out "hot takes" on Harbaugh for clicks and ratings. This is unfortunately how the world of media works these days. Come up with the most irrational absurd opinion you can on a public figure to generate reactions. Lebron's been dealing with it for YEARS. The best thing you can do is ignore it, but that rarely happens.