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Michigan 77, Cleveland State 47
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Michigan has now played five games this year. The closest margin of victory: 28 points.
Yes, two of those were exhibition games against Division II teams, and the regular-season competition hasn't been stellar either. Tonight's opponent, Cleveland State, had to replace four starters, and at 94th in KenPom they're by far the toughest test the Wolverines have faced this year.
Michigan wiped the floor with them, though, starting the game on an 8-0 run, finishing the first half on a 23-2 tear, and cruising to a 77-47 victory. A Wolverine team hasn't made basketball look this easy in a long, long time. I remember the LaVell Blanchard-led 2002-03 squad losing the season opener to St. Bonaventure. In Tommy Amaker's last season, Michigan had to climb out of an early hole to beat something called a "Maryland-Baltimore County" by 12. Even last season, the Wolverines won against Saginaw Valley State—a team they beat by 28 last week—by just nine points. I'm pretty sure one of Brian Ellerbe's outfits found a way to lose the intrasquad scrimmage.
Shamus
Through five games, Michigan is playing basketball on a different level than their opponents—and any Wolverine team in recent memory. Daniel Horton has nothing on Trey Burke, whose first-half hesitation crossover in transition broke ankles in the upper bowl—he finished with 12 points and seven assists without appearing to break a sweat. Manny Harris never rounded into the complete, efficient wing that Tim Hardaway Jr.—once again stuffing the box score with 17 points (7-12 FG, 3-6 3P), six rebounds, and four assists—has become. Nik Stauskas (15 points, 3-4 3P), well, let's just say he wouldn't be out-shot by Gavin Groninger. I can't even think of a suitable player comparison for Glenn Robinson III, who had an off-night (2-7 FG) and still managed to contribute nine points, seven rebounds, and solid defense, including spiking a layup attempt off the glass.
After covering four games in five days, three of them laughable basketball blowouts, I hope you'll forgive the fact that my mind began to wander in the second half. While half-watching Burke effortlessly run the pick-and-roll, or Hardaway skying for a defensive rebound, or perhaps it was Stauskas drilling a three like it was Pop-A-Shot, I thought about Avery Queen.
And I laughed.
November 13th, 2012 at 11:35 PM | 
Avery Queen...
Avery Queen...
November 13th, 2012 at 11:36 PM |
Random tidbit about Cleveland
Random tidbit about Cleveland
Random tidbit about Cleveland State: Mike Boyd was their coach when their arena was built (in the early '90s) and he was always mad at being passed over (or so he thought) for the Michigan job. He made sure their arena was built to a capacity of 13,610 - one seat more than Crisler held at that time.
Tonight was arena-capacity payback.
November 14th, 2012 at 2:44 PM |
I'm trying to remember if the '89 team had a lead assistant
I'm trying to remember if the '89 team had a lead assistant
Because the only way he could have gotten the job is if he had been made interim and it was him that lead the team to the title. After that, there weren't really any other candidates. I don't remember it being odd that Fisher was named the guy at the time; it was just assumed he'd be the guy to lead the team into the tournament. But my memory might be hazy.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
November 13th, 2012 at 11:42 PM |
After all we have been
After all we have been
After all we have been through with M basketball, we so deserve this team. Enjoy everyone!
November 13th, 2012 at 11:42 PM |
Completely agree
Completely agree
Although I am trying to maintain my expectations because of the competition, I have never been more excited by Michigan hoops. They have no weaknesses right now - offense, transition, defense.
Born in Ohio to a Catholic family, but I went Blue
November 14th, 2012 at 12:20 AM |
Pitt will be a good test.
Pitt will be a good test.
Pitt will be a good test. Even though they were down last year, they always play really hard and recruit well enough to have the athletes to compete.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:42 AM |
Defense...
Defense...
...I think defense in general is the weak spot of the team. Nothing too glaring, but if they had to work on something...Robinson and McGary need to tighten up in particular, but again these are freshmen in their first five games so there is no major concern at this point.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:33 PM |
Kind of agree
Kind of agree
I think McGary has to learn how to defend at this level and neither he nor Morgan will ever be great shot blockers, but I think Robinson is already pretty good on the defensive end. He switched on to their super quick point guard a few time and didn't let the guy get around him. He also covered their big men on switches a few times without getting beat.
I think the only thing this team is missing is an elite shot blocker. Horford may be adequate in this area, but he is the only one out of our 5 bigs who might be (I still can't believe we have five bigs not including Robinson who can play the 4. McGary, Morgan, Horford, Bielfeldt, McLimans)
November 14th, 2012 at 12:44 AM |
I can barely remember what
I can barely remember what
I can barely remember what it's like to be so young that this is the most excited you'd ever have been about a Michigan hoops team... yet I still so CLEARLY recall the excitement of returning nearly all the '76 NCAA runners-up & beginning '76-77 @ #1...
and the thrill of setting out to defend the '89 title - albeit minus Glen Rice & Rumeal Robinson...
and of course being CERTAIN that the experience of losing to Duke in the finals in '92 was just what the Fab 5 would need to win M a 2nd title in 4 years....
So yes, I'm an old fuck, and I'm very intrigued with this team's potential... but I've got my memories, dammit, and we used to EXPECT to be this good... at LEAST!!
November 14th, 2012 at 12:49 AM |
Wasn't Rumeal back in 89-90?
Wasn't Rumeal back in 89-90?
Wasn't Rumeal back in 89-90? I though Rice was the only big contributor that graduated off that team.
November 14th, 2012 at 7:36 AM |
Correct. Rumeal dunked to
Correct. Rumeal dunked to
Correct. Rumeal dunked to beat Staee near the end of one of our games in 89-90.
November 14th, 2012 at 2:16 PM |
Mark Hughes was also a senior
Mark Hughes was also a senior
Mark Hughes was also a senior in '89.
November 14th, 2012 at 9:26 AM |
I must be as old as you,
I must be as old as you,
because I remember all that too. The Michigan Basketball program right now, is in better shape for the future than it's ever been. They're better coached than any of the Frieder, Fisher, Ellerbe, or Amaker teams. They have far better facilities. And they've rebuilt the recruiting network to match the players that we want for our system and where the talent is today. I can't wait to see what they can accomplish in this, and coming years.
"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans! Now go out there and make it happen!"
- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22 OSU 0)
November 13th, 2012 at 11:52 PM |
Meh
Meh
Love this team, but can't we be excited without dumping on former players? Especially Horton and maybe even Harris, who...(shhh)...probably would have had more successful careers had they gone elsewhere. Just rubs me the wrong way...
November 14th, 2012 at 1:49 AM |
I don't really see where
I don't really see where
I don't really see where there was any "dumping" on former players. He's just stating, some of our current players are being coached up, to be more well rounded players who come much closer to their overall potential than some of the aforementioned highly touted/talented players. I think some of those players could have been much better, had they been surrounded by some of the more highly regarded players/coaches that we have on the roster currently. Not really on knock on the players themselves, moreso the coaching staff.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:24 PM |
This. Not to mention both
This. Not to mention both
This. Not to mention both Horton and Harris were not exactly exemplary Michigan Men off the court. Not saying we should not be thankful for their hard work, but Zack Novak, LaVell Blanchard, they are not.
CoE Class of 2007
November 13th, 2012 at 11:53 PM |
Seriously
Seriously
can not wait for the Big Ten season to start.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:09 AM |
Haha
Haha
Love your blasts from the past Ace!!! Gavin Groninger LOL! I think Glenn Robinson's got a better all around game than his cousin Bernard
November 14th, 2012 at 12:19 AM |
Hey, he could have thought
Hey, he could have thought
Hey, he could have thought of Dommanic Ingerson.
And yes, to remember that name, I had to google "Swimming naked in lake merritt."
He's the first hit.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:14 AM |
Robinson=?
Robinson=?
I would think Bernard Robinson jr. Or lavell blanchard maybe? More explosive though
November 14th, 2012 at 1:21 AM |
This was my thought exactly.
This was my thought exactly.
This was my thought exactly. GR3 is Bernard Robinson but more athletic and with a much better jump shot. While that reads like a Fred Jackson-ism, it may be quite accurate... lets hope this keeps up!
November 14th, 2012 at 8:19 AM |
Blanchard
Blanchard
Lavell Blanchard is probably the closest we've had to Robinson since Jimmy King, but he played almost his entire career at Michigan as a severely undersized four. I remember him clearly outplaying Jason Richardson head-to-head as a high schooler ... who knows how good he could have been playing his own position under a reasonably competent coach.
And he still didn't have as much athleticism as GR3. (I don't think King did either, for that matter.)
November 14th, 2012 at 1:10 PM |
Another somewhat
Another somewhat
Another somewhat approximation for GRIII would be Sean Higgins, though I would take GRIII any day of the week.
Higgins will always hold a special place for the winning put back against the Illini to catapult M into the NCAA finals against Seton Hall
November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 AM |
Dion Harris
Dion Harris
I always wonder how good he could have been on a talented team like this. He never had any useful teammates except for the half-season when Horton was on the team and not suspended. And Amaker's "offense" was no help.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:32 AM |
With a group this talented,
With a group this talented,
With a group this talented, it's easy to see why Evan Smotrycz transferred. I'm not sure he'd see any minutes with this team, and I actually thought he was a good player. Coach B has a full chamber this year.
The swag is back.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:37 AM |
So true. He might have
So true. He might have
So true. He might have gotten McLimans's minutes, but that's about it.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:47 AM |
Wow...
Wow...
...congrats on hitting 15,000! I still think this team would be better off with Smot than without. To have another role player to come off the bench who can immediately fire from outside the arc would be valuable in spots this season. At some point, Stauskas, Hardaway and Burke will experience a cool streak in a tough spot and Smot could've been the guy to bridge the gap. This, of course, is a nit pick. I dont' see it costing us any games per se, but when you get to the Sweet 16 and beyond, having a deep aresenal will come in handy at some point. All that said, I remember thinking during the first half that this was the most talented and complete team I've witnessed since...cliche alert...the Fab Five.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:55 AM |
Even though Smotz had some
Even though Smotz had some
Even though Smotz had some talent, I have to admit I don't miss him at all. Not sure how much he would have helped, since he didn't have the greatest attitude.
November 14th, 2012 at 1:12 AM |
Unfair
Unfair
I think that's unfair. Smot left gracefully and was a great contributor to the team. I think he'd be a perfect fit this year. He'd probably be starting at the 4, with GRIII sliding down to the 3, THJ at shooting guard and Vogrich off the bench. Smot would have been back at a position that suits his game more than he was last year. And Belein would have had limitless flexibility with his lineup, with an option of sliding Smot to the 3 with Morgan and McGary in, going super big. We have an embarrassment of riches now, but there's no doubt we'd be a deeper, better, more experienced team had Smot stuck around.
November 14th, 2012 at 1:02 AM |
At this point I expect Stauskas
At this point I expect Stauskas
to make EVERY shot, and am in disbelief when he actually misses one...
November 14th, 2012 at 10:53 AM |
My feelings as well
My feelings as well
Every time he fires one up, I just assume its good. His only miss was a surprise. That's why I find it so surprising that he isn't just a ball hog. He seems patient with his shot even with his obvious self confidence in his shot.
November 14th, 2012 at 3:38 AM |
Not True....
Not True....
Smotz was afraid of the competition... and of class...
November 14th, 2012 at 12:40 AM |
Wow!!!
Wow!!!
I could not be more excited about this team. We play and move so well. Our spacing is great and the talent is so fun to watch. I love how Stauskus and Spike throw passes with both hands with ease. Robinson is an absolute freak athlete and is very fun to watch. Hardaway seems relaxed and able to work within the confines of the team. Burke is just so smooth and looks NBA ready right now.
I can't get over how much I like watching every guy on this team. I used to not like watching Horford, but I think he has improved a ton and enjoy seeing him in the rotation. Stauskus is going to be starting soon (if he didn't tonight...missed the beginning) and it is clear he has to play big minutes. I think Spike would be fine to take over for Trey if he has an NBA type of year. If not, he is a great backup pg.
It is great to be a Michigan Wolverine!!!
"You have to beat the best to be the best"
November 14th, 2012 at 12:53 AM |
Fuck all of you, I am Avery
Fuck all of you, I am Avery
Fuck all of you, I am Avery Queen.
November 14th, 2012 at 2:55 PM |
Sorry.
Sorry.
Here you go.
(I would not have guessed Avery was a Boardwalk Empire fan.)
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
November 14th, 2012 at 2:58 PM |
Cheech and Chong FTW
The
Cheech and Chong FTW
The
Cheech and Chong FTW
The basketball coach
Done kicked me off the team
For wearing hi-heel sneakers
And acting like a Queen.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:59 AM |
Ace
Ace
Please don't diss previous Wolverines!
November 14th, 2012 at 8:31 AM |
Diss
Diss
He isn't dissing former players by saying that new players are better.
November 14th, 2012 at 10:52 AM |
He's dissing former players
He's dissing former players
He's dissing former players when he's laughing at Avery Queen. Queen, and the rest of the players who represented the University, took enough shit from opposing fans while they were here.
I understand Ace's excitement about the current team. The sky is the limit with these guys. But pointing out just how bad the former players were seems unnecessary.
"Come on, you Wolverines!"
November 14th, 2012 at 12:29 PM |
"Observation" is different than "dissing"
"Observation" is different than "dissing"
Watching this team, and then remembering that we played a 5'7" true freshman poing guard for almost 30 minutes a game (who averaged less than 5 ppg for his career)? If that isn't cause for amused reflection, I don't know what is.
Nick Sheridan was a fine human being, and will make a solid football coach. But if you claim you can watch Denard doing Denard stuff, and recall the SheriThreetDamnit Era with anything but a chuckle that says "these two things are noticably different," I shall call thee a dirty, dirty liar.
November 14th, 2012 at 2:20 PM |
Avery Queen is a guy who
Avery Queen is a guy who
Avery Queen is a guy who quite frankly didn't deserve to be at this school. He was a troublemaker in high school and remained one in college before he was booted off the team. We don't need to shed too many tears for him.
November 14th, 2012 at 1:16 AM |
This year
This year
there is a noticeable change from recent Michigan basketball. They have transformed from the gritty, Novakian, try- hard out hustle you teams to a gritty, Novakian, try-hard out hustle you team with future NBA talent on it. The most impressive thing to me, and what I think will serve them very well this season, is the distribution of scoring. It really seems like most of the players would have to go into prolonged slumps for the offense to dissapear. There are 4-5 guys on this team who can realistically go for 20 any given night.
I am become Tim Hardaway Jr. Destroyer of Worlds
November 14th, 2012 at 1:38 AM |
First, we got right Coach....
First, we got right Coach....
Hope we are seeing a pattern develop here that will continue for basketball and will be developing in football.
Get the right coach, he shows he can coach up current talent and have them perform well. Then, seeing we now have a coach and coaching staff that knows what to do and how to do it, we get a great recruiting class and start re-establishing ourselves as one of the elite teams on an annual basis......
I like it!
November 14th, 2012 at 1:28 AM |
Mcgary
Mcgary
I can't believe you left him off your post. The kid was 3/3 with 9 rebounds. He'll be starting when we get in to the Big Ten season and he has his conditioning down.
...just one man's opinion.
November 14th, 2012 at 1:31 AM |
We have depth
We have depth
Bruce Pearl mentioned we'd played eleven cagers in the first half; that's some serious depth. There's no excuse for not giving 100% effort when there's a cavalry waiting to spell those weary lungs. It's going to be a fun year.
"Play hard and with great effort"
November 14th, 2012 at 8:31 AM |
^THIS
^THIS
This is why when McGary tugged on his jersey at about the 5 minute mark - clearly GASSED. I both smiled and a laughed.
I wasn't laughing at McGary - it was more of an evil laugh.
But I smiled first...because it was refreshing to know Mitch had run himself into the ground for 6 minutes or so. Maximum effort.
But then I laughed.
I laughed because we were dominating Cleveland State and I chuckled knowing this would only mean Morgan, Horford or even McLimas would have to come in for McGary.
Depth. Depth is fucking awesome.
Oh, by the way - Coach B put in Max Max Bielfeldt and he proceeded to get a couple quick baskets and snag like 3-4 rebounds all in the last 3 minutes of the half.
Depth is fucking awesome.
“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”
November 14th, 2012 at 8:45 AM |
Biefeldt
Biefeldt
I wasn't watching too carefully, but I was pleasantly surprised at how fluid Biefeldt was moving laterally. Not elite athleticism or anything, but I thought he compared favorably to Graham Brown in that regard. And he's what - the fifth big man off the bench?
November 14th, 2012 at 8:45 AM |
With no halftime show
With no halftime show
I was reduced to watching Denard signing autographs, down in the north end. Hand seemed to be working fine But who was that FB player sitting next to his girlfriend?
November 14th, 2012 at 9:07 AM |
no need to gravedance, Ace
no need to gravedance, Ace
Ace - Saying Daniel Horton "has nothing on" Trey Burke seems gratuitously disrespectful of Horton's abilities and tenure at Michigan, not to mention completely wrong -- Burke might be better but Horton "has nothing" in comparison? Did you watch any games Daniel Horton played? And "laughing" about how bad former players are in comparison to this team after 3 stinkin' games seems premature and a little mean. Most of those guys did the best they could. If anything, "laugh" (if you must) about the comparison between Beilein to Ellerbe or even Amaker. If you think Gavin Groninger wouldn't have been a far more effective player under Beilein, you don't know squat about basketball.
But to channel Ace's youthful giddiness in a more constructive way, great showing for this team through 3 games. Very very excited to see them in action against a rugged Pitt team next week.
November 14th, 2012 at 12:28 PM |
Don't you think Ellerbe and
Don't you think Ellerbe and
Don't you think Ellerbe and Amaker tried as hard as they could? Can we not compare them?
I am very, very pro-student athletes. They should never be booed, they should be supported at all times, etc. Daniel Horton had some amazing games (33 vs. top 10 Illinois was one of the top 5 Michigan games I attended).
However, Ace wasn't malicious. Daniel Horton was never really considered an NBA talent. This is well known. Trey Burke is an NBA talent. This is well known. We can support our players without ignoring agreed-upon truths.
CoE Class of 2007
Made Spike look like Shaq...
Reporter: “Did you visit the Parthenon while in Greece?”
Shaquille O’Neill: “I can’t really remember the names of all the clubs we went to.”