MGoHall of Fame: Football Nominees Comment Count

Brian

Good lord, this was brutal. Hockey had a pretty clear cutoff that sat nicely at five, and getting to five in basketball was a stretch. I left Steve Breaston, Leon Hall, Allan Branch, and Zoltan Mesko out here. Jebus.

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David Molk

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PROS: Tough-talking no-neck was a four year starter at center perfectly suited for Michigan's zone running game; won the Rimington as a senior. Hilarious interview with absolutely no regard for cliché. High fantangibles rating. At times seemed to be the difference between doom and success in the Michigan ground game. Broke something serious in his foot in the Sugar Bowl, watched Rocko Khoury make some panic snaps on Michigan's first series, and played the rest of the game seriously damaged.

Experienced both coaching changes and was one of the seniors Who Stayed™. A huge factor in the locker room uniting behind Hoke.

CONS: Had some injury problems. Inexplicably had his snap count jumped against MSU and only MSU for like three straight years.

Mike Martin

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PROS: Four-year contributor and three-year starter who always teetered on the edge of being great. Finally accelerated down the senior-year stretch into a dominant nose tackle. During this period forced a pitch on a Nebraska speed option.

This is about all you need to know. You could not block him. Michigan's insanely good third/fourth and short defense started with him (and ended with Kovacs).

But wait, there's more: with Michigan's already-thin defensive line depth shattered by injury before the Sugar Bowl, Martin and Van Bergen faced off with future first-round pick David Wilson in a game where getting a stop meant you got four snaps before you were back on the field. They singlehandedly kept Michigan in the game despite dying halfway through the second quarter. A performance that should pass into legend the same way Hunwick's North Dakota game will.

Also a member of Those Who Stayed™. Along with Molk and Van Bergen, Martin got the Full Andy Dufresne from his time at Michigan.

CONS: Seemingly endorses "In The Big House." Not as highly regarded by the NFL as a few other guys on this list.

Ryan Van Bergen

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PROS: Third and final member of Those Who Stayed™ on the list. Also a four-year contributor and longtime starter, underrated because of his lack of playmaking but still the TFL leader on last year's team. The other guy holding Michigan's defensive line together through sheer force of will in the Sugar Bowl. Virtually impossible to knock down. Screwed up a check in the 2009 Indiana game, leading to an 85-yard touchdown, then singlehandedly annihilated the next IU drive, giving Michigan a chance to pull it out.

CONS: Probably the least-great player on this list. Here as a tribute to Michigan's phoenix act in 2011. Not enticing to NFL. Still… look at that. This is not a list of the best players ever, so…

Brandon Graham

PROS: The best player on an awful Michigan defense and awful Michigan teams. Did not get the Full Andy Dufresne since his career ended halfway through the sewage tube. Still bore all of this with a Denard-like beatific smile. Just killed people, all the time.

NFL did really like him, drafting him in the top half of the first round.

CONS: Unfortunately his impact was limited because the team around him was terrible.

David Harris

PROS: Sideline-to-sideline missile was cerebral to the point of near-genius. Always there. Always. Made a habit out of juking(!) offensive linemen in zone schemes, making them think the play was going one way, then exploding into the ballcarrier when this was not the case. Junior year was tremendously underrated thanks to chaos around him; was major lynchpin and possibly the best player on Michigan's monster 2006 defense. Yes, I mean that seriously.

Early and still prime example of the usefulness of UFRing makes him near to my heart; not sure if you care. Validated all praise from Michigan fans by instantly becoming NFL tackling machine upon entry to the league.

Kind of looks like Worf.

CONS: Lacks iconic wow play. Others started longer than he did.

Mario Manningham

PROS: Emphatically does not have David Harris's problem since he was the target on two of the most iconic plays of the aughts: Oh, Wide Open and Lloyd Carr's Last Second. An electric playmaker the rest of the time, a guy who wasn't the biggest but was the fastest and hardest to keep track of. Had that brilliant slow-up-to-stall-the-DB-then-extend-for-the-TD move down pat. More of a technician than given credit for. Whenever I think of Manningham, I think of that Citrus Bowl when DeBord said "screw it, spread time" and Holly Rowe reporting that Florida deathbacker Brandon Spikes was chasing Manningham all over the field on his incessant end-arounds, saying "damn, boy, you good."

Did the worm after the 2007 Penn State win.

CONS: Got suspended for the weed, something that took some doing in the mid-aughts. Widely regarded as kind of maybe not the nicest guy to ever make it through the program.

Jason Avant

PROS: Amongst the nicest guys to ever make it through the program. Skillet-sized hands are made of industrial-strength adhesive. An elite-level possession receiver who was everyone's safety blanket. Targeted all the time and made all the catches. Probably the most common ex-player to be referenced in "You May Remember Me From Such Players As," to the point where I actively try to avoid it now.

Did this:

That about sums it up.

CONS: Did drop that one pass once, you know, that one. Never a huge deep threat.

Mike Hart

PROS: Four year starter with great backstory and running style burned into your brain. No speed at all but capable of juking in a phone booth and grinding out two, three, four yards after contact. Got a standing ovation for a particular eight yard run against Penn State once. Came out of a tiny school in upstate New York with outlandish rushing stats and a youtube clip in which he jukes every player on the opposing team twice.

Never, ever fumbled except twice inside the five against Florida in his last game. Pretty much the only thing standing between Michigan and a yards per carry under three during his time at Michigan.

Mouthy in a rivalry-pumping way. Fantangibles high. Added spice to life. I have already written his column. There is a "Mike Hart is pined for" tag on this blog.

CONS: Injury prone. Started this incredibly annoying "little brother" business. Spice added by mouth often backfired; went 0-fer against OSU.

Lamarr Woodley

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PROS: Kills people. Brandon Graham was Woodley 2.0, a devastating defensive end who could not be blocked one-on-one. Has enormous Wolverine tattoo on arm. Finished off the Oh Wide Open game with the Yakety-sax-capping scoop and score. Fighting with David Harris and Allan Branch for title of best player on 2006 defense.

CONS: OSU 0-fer does not quite apply but really kind of does since he did not contribute much in 2003. That's about it. Kind of think maybe Graham was better since he had way less help and still produced.

Jake Long

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PROS: Is he a man or a block-long wall? Only his mother knows, and these days she's not even sure. Four-year starter who rolled off the NFL left tackle prototype line and let exactly zero guys not roid-raging get to the quarterback when he was on the field. The first overall pick his draft year, all-American everywhere, etc, etc, etc, you get the idea.

CONS: Fantangibles low. Another Michigan great who had to suffer through the indignity of 0-fer OSU. Hurt most of the 2005 season. Not sure what I'd write about him.

Comments

mgoDave

May 15th, 2012 at 3:14 PM ^

Jake Long was great.  I could never get enough of him pancaking DEs and them helping them up after the play.

1) Jake Long

2) Woodley (his touchdown still sticks in my head)

3) Hart (but RVB/Martin are both close here)

Blue in Yarmouth

May 15th, 2012 at 3:15 PM ^

This will be tough. If I had to pick just three it would be...Woodley, Long and Harris or Hart (not entirely sure which). It will be one tough task to narrow the list. 

Belisarius

May 15th, 2012 at 3:23 PM ^

How can you go wrong with any pick on this list? The only thing that is certain is that Hart and Long are locks. The third place? You could honestly roll a dice, but I guess Martin or Molk, as the leaders of the resurgence, and for all they've done for us. I'll say Molk, since he got the higher level of kudos at the end of the year. Martin for a fourth.

Obviously, Woodley has to get in sooner or later. The kid was/is a beast.

goblueritzy92

May 15th, 2012 at 3:26 PM ^

1. Hart- The ultimate college football player. One of my all-time favorites.

2. Long- In terms of pure dominance, he's number one on this list.

3. Graham- #2 in that category.

4. Martin- Stayed strong through a lot.

5. Woodley- Don't really remeber too much from him, but Ii do remember he whiffed the guy who gave us "The Horror"

 

Also Henne and Breaston should replace Van Bergen and Avant IMO

gbdub

May 15th, 2012 at 8:08 PM ^

But so did Mike Martin, and he's better at football. RVB's a great wolverine, but I doubt he'll be well remembered 5 years from now.

I honestly think Manningham should be cut from the list as well, but only because he left early. Not a bad decision on his part, but we really needed him and that leaves a bad taste for me when I remember him.

My top list: Woodley, Hart, Graham, Long, Robohenne. Molk and Martin are very close, but I have a hard time cutting anyone from the class of '07

Avant's Hands

May 15th, 2012 at 4:04 PM ^

Hart, Woodley, Henne

Henne does not get nearly enough credit for his career. He willed the team to a few wins his senior year with a bad knee and shoulder. And he stepped in as a true freshman and won the Big Ten (although I suppose that was the year before the blog). It kills me to leave Avant off, but I can't make a case for him to be in the top 3. If Tacopants hadn't shown up in 05, though, his numbers would have been ridiculous his senior year.

ThatGirlLovesM

May 15th, 2012 at 4:05 PM ^

To me, an MGoHallOfFamer is someone whose popularity increased the most due to the existence of the blog. For example, everyone loved Jake Long because he was good, but I loved Molk beyond his abilities because of all the UFR insights and curmudgeony interviews I read here. Hart, Graham and Molk get my vote.

But on that note, I would definitely petition for Zoltan to be included next year. Sure he was a punter, but he provided the blog's motto for years! And all the t-shirts!

stephenrjking

May 15th, 2012 at 4:06 PM ^

There are a lot of very good candidates here, but it's hard to separate because none of them clearly outshined the rest; the era we are looking at happens to coincide with the worst period of Michigan football ever and several of the worst seasons in the history of the program.

This would be easier if the '06 team had won one of its last two games, or not gagged away the '05 or '07 seasons; a larger list of really impressive accomplishments would clarify the standings a bit. It would be easier to vote for the Carr era guys if their best season ('06) hadn't ended so horribly.

Thus there are a lot of great guys with some resume baggage. Jake Long and Mike Hart never beat Ohio State. Martin, RVB, and Graham were feature players of the defensively atrocious RichRod era. Manningham was a jerk. Avant was good but never the best receiver on his own team.

Nonetheless these are all wonderful players and pretty much all pass the "do I tell stories about them to my kids" test. So one has to be brutal in how one cuts down the list. 

Hart got hurt occasionally and his mouth really did become a pain, but aside from that he was the soul of the football team for four years, got more out of his talent than anyone could rightfully expect, and did everything one could want from him. He's my top pick from this list.

I have to go with an all-time dominant Long as well, because he turned down millions to come back. He deserved better than 4 losses to OSU and a couple of Rose Bowl setbacks.

Last for me is Mike Martin; four years of sacrifice, hard work, blood, and sweat. Did everything he had to. Anchored the rebirth of the defense that catalyzed one of Michigan's three best seasons by results since the dawn of the Carr era. With RVB, defended the Alamo on their own against Virginia Tech, giving Michigan a chance to pull a win from nothing. 

So we have nominees from all three categories. Assuming Brian requires a vote for at least one athlete per sport, maximum of six for all sports this year, my ballot would be in vague order of importance:

1. Mike Hart
2. Shawn Hunwick
3. Mike Martin
4. Jake Long
5. Zach Novak

Mtruck

May 15th, 2012 at 4:07 PM ^

1. Hart

2. Graham

3. Martin 

 

I know this is set for players who played during the life of the blog, but there has to be an inclusion to our 3 heisman winners.

thenasr

May 15th, 2012 at 4:28 PM ^

Graham - My favorite non-dilithium powered Wolverine.

Hart - YOU GOTTA HAVE HART!

Long - Number 1 Pick and I'm friends with his wife.

Also: NO ZOLTON!?!?!?!?!

UMWest22

May 15th, 2012 at 4:35 PM ^

Wait, not even a mention of Chad Henne Brian?? Pretty much uncalled for. He is without a doubt the best qb of the blog era so far. He holds pretty much every UM passing record. I would take out Avant or RVB for Chad. Also very shocked you don't have Branch, Hall or Zoltan. By including RVB, don't you fall to 'prisoner of the moment?'. I mean, in 10 years, people will see RVB and Avant as good role players (no disrespect) but certainly not hall of famers. Commence neg-bomb I guess.

UMWest22

May 15th, 2012 at 10:37 PM ^

I said so far he is. Denard has not had the wins or numbers that Henne had (passing at least). Like it or not, Denard is a sub-par passer, as evidenced by his sub-50% completion percentage in multiple games. Denard could have a great season and vault into that spot. Let's just be somewhat realistic.

jaggs

May 16th, 2012 at 8:35 PM ^

not just discount the yardage Denard gives us on the ground. I think he has like 5 of the top 10 yardage games in Michigan history. Remember, we're not talking pro potential or just passing. There is more to Denard than just the air.

Seth

May 15th, 2012 at 4:37 PM ^

  1. David Molk
  2. Mike Hart
  3. Brandon Graham
  4. David Harris
  5. Mike Martin
  6. Chad Henne (WTF Brian?)
  7. LaMarr Woodley
  8. Jake Long
  9. RVB
  10. Jason Avant
  11. Zoltan (Zoltan!)
  12. Mario Manningham

bronxblue

May 15th, 2012 at 4:59 PM ^

See, I'm okay without Henne being on the list.  He had a great freshman year, but after that I never felt like he made much of step forward in terms of his play on the field.  You look at those stats and they are shiny, but I never felt that he really took over games consistently (of course, you could argue some of those catches by Manningham and Braylon were because of his arm, but whatever). 

Zone Left

May 15th, 2012 at 8:28 PM ^

I'm really not okay with Woodley and Long being that low. I think the passage of time has diminished his star in too many peoples' minds. This leads to a larger problem...the initial push of legacy candidates are going to push out really deserving guys who happened to graduate this season. Every year from here on out will be easier for the football team's top star to be inducted.

I'm a huge fan of the teams from earlier years, but this past season's Seniors are my favorite class of all time. That said, there is no way any of the Senior class from this season can top a player like Long. He was an absolute terror that only comes along every six years or so (Lewan). Same thing with Woodley and Graham (each other). These guys were transcendent stars. Van Bergen is an all-time favorite, but doesn't come close--and neither do any of the guys from last year's class. Combine that with Denard, possibly (please stay) Lewan next year, and the younger age of the blog's readership and those guys have virtually no shot at ever getting in.

FWIW, my list:

1. Long
2. Woodley
3. Graham

The others are really, really good, but nothing like those three. Michigan Stadium got inexplicably dusty at the end of the OSU game, but I just can't vote for anyone over those three.

I'd recommend legacy nominations for folks who graduated before this year's Seniors had stepped on campus. If that were the case, my list would be something like:

1. Graham
2. Molk
3. Martin

This list seems to be more in line with what this exercise is intended for. Nominate the team's superstar and two guys everyone loves now, but whose memories will fade without this type of treatment.

Edit: My list for next year doesn't even include Kovacs, who may be an all-time fan favorite who also happens to make All-Big 10. Who the heck is even going to get knocked off to make room for him? David Harris was awesome and straw polls suggest either or both Graham or Woodley will lose out to Hart. How will a guy like Mesko, who is another huge blog favorite ever even be nominated?

ChopBlock

May 15th, 2012 at 4:38 PM ^

Ok, maybe other people are close, but Hart is still undoubtedly my favorite Wolverine ever (too young to really remember Woodson, but even then, Woodson left after his junior year). He wasn't blessed with great speed, but played football as hard as anyone ever has. When Carr got all Carr-like, he was the guy who kept the chains moving. He's vastly underrated as a blocker, and I'd pick him over anyone else, ever, to get a crucial first down. 

2) Jake Long. ONE PENALTY in his last 26 starts. And oh by the way the most dominant lineman ever to play for Michigan, and we've had a few of those

3) Woodley, but only by a nose.

ca_prophet

May 15th, 2012 at 6:36 PM ^

... Not that I don't like him and not that he wasn't brilliant, but M has had Steve Everitt, Dan Dierdorf and Steve Hutchinson.  That's just three guys I saw play live - Wolverine Historian could probably come up with a few more.

The history of Michigan football goes back a really long way - not just pre-Internet (I know, what do you mean the world hasn't always had the Internet? Kids these days - now get off my lawn!), not just pre-airplane, not just before they had to number World Wars, but pre-automobile and pre-electricity.

 

m1jjb00

May 15th, 2012 at 4:43 PM ^

See 3 and out.

See 2011 season.

See Sugar Bowl -- both playing and what happens when he's not 100%.

See Rimington trophy

I'll put Jake Long on, and then I have no idea who the last one is.  I'm thinking one of these: Martin, RVB, Graham, Harris, Manningham, Avant, Hart or Woodley.

those_who_stay

May 15th, 2012 at 4:50 PM ^

To me, Brandon Graham will always hold a special place in my heart for the way he banded together the team in the RR era and how he worked his ass off despite his lack of coaching to raise his draft stock and become a beast. 

That being said, I would vote:

1. Long

2. Hart

3. BG

4. Woodley 

but so hard to leave Woodley out of the top 3.

Callahan

May 15th, 2012 at 4:52 PM ^

1. Mike Hart. I know everyone feels sympathy for the RR guys suffering through that debacle, but let's not diminish the good times because we've had some bad ones. Mike Hart is the Jim Harbaugh of the 2000s.

2. Jake Long.

3. Brandon Graham. 

4. Mario Manningham. 

 

 

bronxblue

May 15th, 2012 at 4:53 PM ^

I'd go Long, Molk, Braylon, Harris/Woodley, then Hart and Manningham/Graham/RVB/Martin.  People say that Hart was the only reason those rushing attacks were competent, but when Long was healthy NOBODY got to the QB on that side, and that allowed the rest of the team function.  Molk was great, but I never felt he was as dominant as Long. 

Braylon has turned out to be a bit of a tool as a person, but as a college player he was dominant.  The first really great WR I saw in a UM jersey since Toomer, and that was probably a bit of a reach even then. 

Graham was probably my favorite defensive player in the group just because he was the lone bright spot on garbage defenses, but Harris and Woodley terrified me out there. 

I really liked Hart as a player, but for all his talk he never beat OSU and struggled in some bigger games.  Plus, his outspoken nature toward RR didn't leave me with a happy taste in my mouth. 

TIMMMAAY

May 15th, 2012 at 4:55 PM ^

1. Brandon Graham

2. David Harris

3. David Molk

4. Lamarr Woodley

5. Mike Hart

edit: just realized I left out Jake Long, so he should be up in the 1-2 range and push the others down a spot.