Apparently the ND rumors are getting to Meyer. Hopefully he hasn't taken the Nick Saban "Declarative Truthfull-ness of Denying a Coaching Move" class.
Meyer Not Going To ND. Ever. (Grain of salt needed)
Seriously, I'm 100% certain that if Weis is fired this year that they go after Gruden and only Gruden. Meyer is just a smokescreen by their fanbase.
Gruden or Brian Kelly.
Brian Kelly at ND I don't like, though. I want him to stay off our schedule.
I think Gruden would be a terrific collegiate head coach.
His intensity and constant sniping wears on the pros, but is more easily accepted by players at the college level because they think he'll help them get to the league.
Not to mention, players stay for a maximum of five years at the college level. By the time his rap wears thin, players have to leave anyway.
Do you know how shiny a Superbowl ring looks to a recruit? And how pretty a good looking coach looks to a recruits mom? (I kid I kid)
He loves him some strange. Saw him give the most obvious staredown at the Senior Bowl Hotel. Bless the man for being human.
But you should have seen these girls, they were both "9+" (a rating I don't give out often), I think I'd have a problem with the man if he didn't look.
Meyer is only after one thing with his comments about coaching at ND. And thats more money from UF and he got his raise at the beginning of the year. A raise that was not in his contract.
He got what he wanted so now he is just back peddling
Notre Dame scares the ka-ka out of me.
Gruden, not so much.
Can you shed more light on why Brian Kelly would be a good coach at ND.
Kelly has been a winner everywhere he's been. He made Grand Valley a D-II national champ. He inherited a horrible program (from Mike DeBord, fwiw) at CMU and turned them into MAC champions. He inherited a .500 program at Cincy (from Dantonio) and won the Big East in year two. He supposedly has some personal baggage, but he's clearly a good coach.
Yeah, this guy wins games. CMU and Cinci were perrenial bottom dwellers until he showed up, and very shortly they won their conference. This is tough to do once, but he's done it consistently. He won't be at UC more than a couple more years.
Can anyone speak to what this personal baggage is supposedly about? I've heard people reference it before, but I've never read any explanation.
Apparently he's a giant douche.
I'm sure Notre Dame would make a bid for Mike Shanahan, too.
Unless Jim Zorn works miracles this season, Mike Shanahan will be coaching the Washington Redskins next year.
I wonder if Shanahan would be able to coexist with Snyder. Shanahan would demand a say in player personnel decisions.
It's a valid question, but I think Snyder is going to back up the Brinks truck to Shanahan's house and agree to give him player personnel control if that's what it takes.
I don't want Meyer ever in South Bend. Say what you want about that guy but he can flat out win. EXCEPT VS MICHIGAN IN THE CAPITAL ONE BOWL. BOOOOYA BRING IT ON URBAN.
ok, back to work..
Let's just hope Weis does well this year. Any of these guys would be a lot better.
I really believe that Pat Fitzgerald would also be a strong candidate for Notre Dame. He already knows the area for recruiting purposes, and is used to recruiting kids to an academically rigorous school. He's young, and very much a rising star in my opinion. He'd also be pretty cheap, not that that matters when ND is concerned.
but I just don't ever see him leaving Northwestern. I live in Chicago and he is Northwestern's prodigal son. He is very involved in the area and seems destined to stay and build up Northwestern. I see his career path paralleling that of Barry Alvarez, maybe with less Rose Bowls.
You certainly know more about Fitzgerald's place in Chicago than I, but really? This is Notre Dame. Versus Northwestern! They're not in the same conference, and his family wouldn't object to moving a hundred miles, surely. Last time a fanbase assumed their 'prodigal son' would never leave, Michigan ended up with a fancy new football coach!
I mean I would say that growing up in Orland Park, IL, being one of Northwestern's best players in the last 20 years, and proving to be quite successful as their HC would make him a lock to stay...but the RichRod example does work as a trump here. When it comes down to it, to quote Floyd Mayweather, "Stacks don't lie". And sometimes even guys as invested in a city and school as Fitzgerald is to Evanston and Northwestern can't resist the $.
To your original point, I think ND does need somebody, like Fitzgerald, that is young, enthusiastic, and hard-nosed to shake things up a bit and attract some talent.
They already get talent, just look at the star rankings! (sarcasm). I think that the name draws in enough talent on its own. They need someone who can develop that talent.
This guy dropped of the map completely.
Even when you screw up, there's always someone to give you a job if you are any good.
Being a prodigal son is a bad thing until you redeem yourself. Did he do anything to upset Northwestern I'm unaware of?
If Meyer could win at Utah, he could win at any good football school. I agree with many of the previous posts, don't go to ND. Stay a Gator or go to the NFL.
now for sure he is going to ND
Personally i hate UF way more than I hate ND so i prefer to see him leave Gainesville. It'd be sweet to one day see Michigan, ND, and OSU all contending for the national championship someday.
I know that we have to play notre dame but it would be interesting to see the two arguably best spread coaches have a showdown.
It's another line, he said multiple times he wouldn't leave Bowling Green, and the same with Utah. Personally, I can't stand the man, but I don't want to have to play him every year.
I dont think that there has been enough laughing about the Weiss sideline injury last year. I mean it was so comical watching his body tumble down and roll. Couldnt have happened to a more smug dbag.
One interesting thing about Meyer to ND is there would be a couple of epic games each year. ND vs Michigan once RR has all his players in and the team rolling, and ND vs USC. Those could be 2 potential national championship match ups right there.
True, but after 3-9 last year, I'd like all the easy wins we can get for a few years after RR has his players.
Kelly to ND is highly unlikely (thank god). the guy was available after last season if ND wanted him. They decided to stick with Weis, for whatever reason. And the thought of kelly with Weis' recruits is scary.
I don't see Meyer leaving UF at this point for another college job. He has created a monster at UF that he won't be able to recreate at ND. And the recruiting is easier at UF than ND as the travel covers less ground.
There was a lot of talk about Gruden to ND during the Willingham coaching hire. Maybe he's changed his stance, but he was effectively offered the job and passed. It would be interesting to see if he would make the leap now.
And to assume that a good NFL head coach would be successful in college is a overly simplistic. The two skill sets are different.
First of all, Gruden (allegedly) turning down the job 4 years ago is a little different because Jon Gruden actually had a job then. His situation has changed.
Also, I wouldn't say Kelly to ND is unlikely just because it didn't happen this year. They didn't decide to pass on Kelly, they just decided to keep Weis. If Weis is actually gone, Kelly becomes a big candidate.
If Gruden can be as witty and charming in a recruit's living room as he was doing the draft on TV, he can definitely be a great coach at ND.
And they would probably let him hire his brother as a QB coach/OC, too. I only mention this because Jay may have more potential as an OC than Jon, and because Jon needs a strong voice to serve as in interface between him and his QB.
I'm not sure that Jon Gruden has the patience to develop a quarterback at the collegiate level. But I do not want Urban Meyer in South Bend under any circumstances.
I'm not sure what you mean by "patience." He doesn't have a choice. He can't import free agent QBs by the truckload. Sure, guys can transfer in and out, but that's a whole lot more difficult in college than it is in the pros. Whether he has patience or not, the guys on scholarship are all he has to work with.
I think what Callahan was saying was that Gruden probably wouldn't have the patience needed to be a good college coach, which may be why he's never taken a college coaching job.
Gerry Faust or BUST!