Mailbag: Offense Year One, Harbaugh Goes To 11, Official Star Wars Take Comment Count

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Offense impressions, year one

Brian,

I attended the DC event you did over the summer where you talked about what to expect from a Harbaugh offense. Now that there is a season's worth of data, do you have any plans to revisit and do a compare and contrast on that? I'm curious what new wrinkles can be attributed to Fisch, opponent specific stuff, or just flat out integrating plays he likes, as a way of understanding how he evolves his approach.

Thanks,
Dave

That's a conversation for next year. It will be interesting to see how Michigan's philosophy changes going forward; right now I the only things I have to compare it to are NFL offenses in a vastly different competitive environment and a five-year-old Stanford team with a largely different braintrust.

Meanwhile it'll probably take another year before the Death Star is even vaguely operational. You could see the outlines of the things Harbaugh wants to do, but it's always much easier to see what the shape of a thing is when it works as intended. Michigan's ground game didn't do that enough to get a feel for the shape of he whole thing.

One thing that did stand out was the week-to-week diversity of formations and plays. Michigan had a T-formation package last seen in college football decades ago; they had a week where they ran a handful of zone read; they fiddled with some diamond formations. While the wrinkles didn't always add up to much in year one, they do speak to Harbaugh's philosophy: he wants to constantly show you things that make you uncomfortable and get you to bust a run fit.

It's mostly the same for the offensive line. They get a call and they execute the call. Those calls are almost always standard power, inside zone, or outside zone. The only things that Michigan did that they didn't do much under previous staffs were quick trap pulls.

Harbaugh puts a bunch of window dressing around it and uses his blocky/catchy types to spring the surprises. Going forward I am guessing you are going to see a high priority put on RB/TE/FB types who are highly intelligent, because the bulk of the week-to-week changes are on them. I think that's a major reason Michigan's PWO class is heavy on high-academic blocky/catchy types—there might be an Owen Marecic lurking in there.

[After THE JUMP: extensive takes on the envelope pushing and overall grades for Hoke]

Rules, how do they work?

Harbaugh has done probably a dozen or more rule-bending or tradition-bending moves in the first year of his reign, and while we've seen plenty of other programs complain about or copy these moves, I don't believe I've seen much about others "innovating" in the same way.

I've heard things about Saban making big waves like this when he began at Alabama, other than that not much. Are there others doing these sorts of innovations?  Does is just seem like a bigger deal due to all of the publicity around the man and the program?

It was actually James Franklin who first started the satellite camp business, but he's been lower-key about it. Michigan took that idea and blew it up into a big deal thing, because that's what Harbaugh does.

Other programs do these sorts of things but take an opposite approach, playing them down so that they don't get the kind of pushback Harbaugh is getting. Harbaugh is Harbaugh, for one, and attracts attention wherever he goes no matter what he's doing. For two, Michigan is clearly implementing a public relations strategy geared toward maximum volume.

You are starting to see other schools get in on satellite camps; OSU recently announced they'd be down in Florida. They were down there last year, too. If they exist others will take advantage of them. To the extent Harbaugh does? Probably not.

Nothing that Harbaugh has done has seemed ground-breaking, or at all out-of-the-blue, so why aren't others doing nearly as much?

The IMG trip is unprecedented, I believe, for football players. Obviously other sports have done similar things—every four years basketball teams can take an international trip, and Michigan fans are now very well informed about that Vanderbilt baseball trip over fall break—but those have been less explicitly about recruiting. Yes, Kentucky taking a trip to the Bahamas is about recruiting, but indirectly because there aren't any croots there.

Harbaugh doesn't have a political bone in his body and thus makes everything explicit, which bothers good ol' boys who like the system the way it currently is.

Now that Michigan is quite clearly on an increasingly upward trajectory on the field and in recruiting, who do you think will be the next coach or program to copy this sort of aggressive overall management strategy?

Peter

Well, they'll try to ban everything no matter how hypocritical it is. Greg Sankey clearly isn't bothered that his arguments against the stuff Harbaugh is doing are preposterous on their face. They will Think Of The Children and try to ram legislation through that prevents these things from continuing, whereupon Harbaugh will look for other loopholes, etc., etc.

Saban was and is the same way. He got shut down after pushing the envelope with in-school "bump" visits; several years later they had bowl practices at a high school with some big-time recruits and just happened to give them enough money to renovate their field. I never really had a problem with any of that; the problem was when that willingness to push any edge resulted in Alabama going into a summer needing to shed 7, 8, 9, 10 kids.

I'm not sure how much of a difficulty it will be for the SEC that whatever legislation they'd need to pass would be clearly self-serving and without merit otherwise. It could be that there are enough schools interested in satellite camps that those stick around. It could be difficult to craft legislation that demands all offseason practices be held on campus without hitting a bunch of other sports. Or these things could sail through since people don't want to add yet more work to their plates.

But, just like Michigan's IMG trip doesn't add time but merely moves it, they won't be subtracting time from Harbaugh's efforts, merely relocating it.

Grading coaches, seed, Star Wars

Hey Brian,

Three questions:

1. I remember you wrote a few years ago grading Bo, Mo, Carr and RR on recruitment, player development and deployment. I think you gave Carr grades of A, A and C. So how would you grade Hoke along with the first year of HARBAUGH now?

I don't remember that but I'd more or less agree with those grades. Hoke is difficult to judge when it comes to the former because he was an excellent recruiter with a vast critical flaw: he let Al Borges acquire quarterbacks. Hoke's recruits formed the backbone of a 10-3 team that was top ten in a lot of advanced ranking systems, but if Harbaugh hadn't patched the QB recruiting hole how much worse do they end up? Much, much worse. You have to give the guy a B even so.

Player development, D, deployment, F. His QBs got worse over time. His OL got worse over time. He tried to ignore Denard Robinson and Devin Gardner's lower appendages. He converted his defense to press man after a coaching shakeup that saw a linebacker who had never coached in the secondary land at CB coach, and then watched Blake Countess die over and over again trying to do something he simply could not. He carried multiple coaches with no business in the Big Ten, let alone at Michigan, and their landing places afterwards—Florida Tech, Wyoming, San Jose State—demonstrate that a refusal to fire guys who weren't pulling their weight.

The one bright spot when it came to development was the defensive line, where Hoke turned a number of untouted players into draft picks and all-conference level performers.

It's too early to say anything definitive about Harbaugh. Early I'd say A, A, B, with the B for "deployment" 100% because of DJ Durkin's disastrous non-plan for the OSU game. You might ding Harbaugh's recruiting for an iffy showing at OT in the last cycle, if you were inclined. But, like, Gary.

As far as development goes, Jake Rudock, Jehu Chesson, AJ Williams, Jourdan Lewis, Willie Henry, Ryan Glasgow, and Chris Wormley all took huge steps forward in year one. The number of guys to run in place was correspondingly much lower—Bolden, maybe Kalis.

2. What does your instinct tell you the MBB team's NCAA seed number and which round they'll come furthest to?

At this point they look like a ten seed that maybe pulls off a mild first round upset before going down to a mean team with post players.

3. How would you rank the latest Star Wars among the previous six?

Thanks a lot,

ann.arbor.lover [at] mgoblog from Indianapolis

I got so depressed about Episodes I and II that I haven't ever seen III, so in front of those. I would put it behind the original trilogy since VII had exactly zero new ideas. It felt like JJ Abrams was as upset about the prequel trilogy as I was and decided that he was just going to Make Star Wars Okay Again. I guess he did that, but making the bad guy into Gamergate is not an innovation in my book.

Comments

bluesparkhitsy…

February 25th, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^

The first three had a ton of good ideas, when you get right down to it. And some of the major narrative arcs -- the fall of the Republic and rise of the Empire, the destruction of the Jedi, the Emperor's ascention to power, and the corrupting of Anakin -- worked. But as you say, the execution of I-III failed rather horribly. Apart from the very clunky dialogue, the major themes were badly cluttered by largely irrelevant plot points and characters. As others have pointed out, Episode I was simply unnecessary -- the eventual story worked without it.

And, of course, Jar Jar. I strongly believe the theory that Jar Jar originally was intended to be a powerful Sith Lord who orchestrated the entire chain of events that followed (look up the original Redit on that theory -- there is a ton of supporting evidence) and that George Lucas switched gears on that after the poor reaction to that character. If so, Ep. I was intended as a giant bait-and-switch that was to be viewed differently in retrospect. But as things ended up, it's simply useless.

Ep. VII is almost the opposite of the first three films. The over-arching themes seem less significant, but the execution in my view was near-flawless. Some of what it sets up could be quite interesting going forward, though -- particularly the reason for Luke's exile. I liked it, but with the caveat that we won't really know whether it was excellent or just good until we see what happens next.



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Bando Calrissian

February 24th, 2016 at 6:50 PM ^

Episode I is absolute fluff if simply for the reason that there is nothing established in the movie that is in any way crucial to what happens in II and III. Except for the fact that Anakin and Padme exist. You don't need pod racing. You don't need any of the other characters, really. Hell, they even phased out that midichlorian thing. It was basically a vehicle for merchandising.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

February 24th, 2016 at 7:11 PM ^

Possibly I'm missing the point because I don't immerse myself in Star Wars arguments, but my impression is this: every other movie in the series gets compared to Empire Strikes Back.  If it doesn't live up to that standard, it's not good enough, except that Episode IV gets a pass.

Really, though, when not being compared to other installments in the series, the prequels are fine.  Hayden Christensen stunk and Jar Jar Binks was an annoying injection of unnecessary slapstick, but otherwise, the prequels were not that bad at all.  The whole idea of rooting for the people you know are eventually the bad guys, and feeling slimier and slimier for doing so as time goes on, is in fact really fricking brilliant and was rather well executed.

Wolfman

February 24th, 2016 at 9:58 PM ^

enough to excuse me from not watching, nor ever having the faintest interest in watching any of the Star War Movies?  Or is is, that regardless of age, one has to be considered strange for that very reason? And although I did name my son Luke that was a product of one of my favortie Paul Newman movies and has no bearing on this movie in any manner.  And yes, I think Paul is a far greater actor than Harrison Ford, although Harrison would probably be among my second five is a list of ten.

samuofm

February 24th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^

"As far as development goes, Jake Rudock, Jehu Chesson, AJ Williams, Jourdan Lewis, Willie Henry, Ryan Glasgow, and Chris Wormley all took huge steps forward in year one. The number of guys to run in place was correspondingly much lower—Bolden, maybe Kalis."

 

Ben Braden!

turtleboy

February 24th, 2016 at 5:48 PM ^

And I'd throw in Houma for deployment, when our running back situation fell apart and Rudock, Peppers, and Houma were the majority of our rushing yards at times. One could argue he won us games with his third down, short yardage, and goal line production. Completely unused by the previous staff.

Space Coyote

February 24th, 2016 at 5:23 PM ^

Recruiting was probably a B. He had some good classes and recruited a lot of guys that were heavily saught after, but he had holes on the roster, particularly with depth at the athlete positions (though Borges's west coast scheme mitigated some of those issues, it really showed up when the scheme was changed) and at QB. He was also hurt by his predecessor's lack of OL recruiting.

Development was probably a D, and that was easily the major downfall. You don't develop talent and it doesn't matter how they are deployed or how good they are coming in. They will get passed up by other teams. But both long term development and short term development killed Michigan, and it's something that Harbaugh came in and immediately corrected.

Deployment would be a C. I think people forget how much the QB's legs were used prior to 2014. 2011-2013 all saw the QB's run 14+ times a game. Denard ran less than he did in 2010, but even Rich Rod would have run him less than he did that year, which was clearly too much even after 2010. The major issues with deployment were not sticking with a plan. It was season managment more than play calling, in my opinion (as you are all aware of). In a vacuum, most moves made sense, but in a whole, it back fired because it hurt development. But when your OL is terrible, it's hard to deploy anything on offense. And defense, for the most part, was deployed correctly (I think the press coverage gets brought up because Countess struggled at it, but one guy struggled at what was designed to be a program change, and that's discouting the improvement Lewis made during the season; and still, it was greatly dialed back by mid-season. And let's not forget 2011 defensive deployement; you can't just look at the bad and not the good).

So that's a B, D, and C, which is a C average, which is slightly below average, which makes sense. Hoke had a good season, followed by two seasons that were above .500 for a program that with it's resources, those records were average to slightly below average, and one bad season. He likely would have rebounded a bit in 2015 as well. It was a slightly below average coaching job overall.

Farnn

February 24th, 2016 at 5:35 PM ^

My only criticism about using the QB runs is they seemed to often be a last resort when the original game plan failed and Michigan found itself in a hole needing some production from the offense.  Instead of incorporating their most successful running play into the playcalling, they left it as the last resort when they needed to score points in the 4th quarter.

Space Coyote

February 24th, 2016 at 5:44 PM ^

UTL I immediately comes to mind. There are certainly other examples as well. Other games they ran with the QB pretty evenly throughout, typically the games they seemed to know they needed the QB run to win. Either way, I think the ultimate goal was they really didn't want the QBs to wear down if they didn't need to. Maybe they over did it, but the concept wasn't terrible.

I do think they really struggled with how to transition, not really from what Rich Rod ran to what they initially ran, but transitioning from what they initially ran to what they wanted to eventually run. I don't think they ever got all the way there, but they hit a bunch of snags along the way as well.

In all honesty, they had the right thing going at the end of 2012 with Gardner. If they could have maintained a similar OL talent, and just kept slightly inching the way they wanted to go, you could have seen something like 2013 ND, Indiana, and OSU. But not only did they try to complete the transition, they tried doing it while covering up a terrible OL, and it resulted in wild swings of offense. I don't think they ever felt comfortable with their plan in 2013 and that ultimately led to a lot of issues.

Reader71

February 25th, 2016 at 10:20 AM ^

Then again, defensive development and deployment were the reasons we were even competing for the conference championship. That's why the grades are a touch harsh. He deserves a D and an F for offense, but the defenses were solid to good, so I think they should be more like a C and C- overall. The man just couldn't coach offense at all.

gbdub

February 25th, 2016 at 10:50 AM ^

And it's fair to note that success on defense. But what part of that defense required the offense to run under center for the trash tornado?

Doing half your job well and half really poorly (actually special teams outside of field goal kicking were pretty awful too) is like 60%. So a D.

Actually even on defense I don't think you can score Hoke too highly. On the one hand, 2011 was legitimately very good, but they never reached that level again. And Mattison's defenses had a bad habit of bending an awful lot, and breaking completely against OSU. They were definitely great at turning middling recruits competent to very good, but they never really seemed to produce any elite defensive talents either.



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Reader71

February 26th, 2016 at 1:34 AM ^

Also fair. Special teams were weird because they were good for most of the tenure and went off a cliff in 2014. Field goal kicking was good, as you stated. Punt returns were good with Gallon and Dileo, and we had a few blocks if I remember correctly. Then 2014 was a disaster in all aspects. We will always disagree on defense, I suppose. Yes, they bent maybe a bit too much, but they did a good job of keeping everything in front and I think every defense Hoke fielded was good enough to win the conference if paired with a good enough offense. They weren't dominant except in 2011, but I think Hoke could have fielded a dominant defense last season around that DL. We probably would have looked a lot like Penn State, though, totally wasting the good defense.

Ty Butterfield

February 24th, 2016 at 5:49 PM ^

I appreciate the great analysis you bring to the site but I just don't see how Michigan is trending up in 2015 if Hoke is still the head coach. Brian alluded to this as well and I just can't wrap my head around it. Michigan was in a free fall and all the good recruits had already jumped ship. Shane Morris has never looked even serviceable in a game and seemed completely lost any time he played. I think Michigan would have won 2-3 games with all the losses being embarrassing blowouts. Hoke seemed like he had lost the team and I don't see how he would have improved in 2015.

Space Coyote

February 24th, 2016 at 5:58 PM ^

The record would have improved in my opinion. I do think the program would have stabilized, I think a lot broke against the 2014 team for them to finish with the record they did, and that led to the recruiting issues, which surely would have hurt the program in the long run as well. But I do think his program would have stabilized at a 6-8 win a year type thing had he stayed on and had a nominal 2014 (say, a 7 win year), which wouldn't have been good enough. And that's mostly because of development.

By trending up I only meant that I think the 2015 record would have been better than the 2014 record, probably a 6 to 8 win team, not that the course was corrected. It was the wrong phrase.

turtleboy

February 24th, 2016 at 5:38 PM ^

For me, I really liked episode 7. It was a vast improvement over the prequels, but it landed shy of the originals. As good as it was, it just felt too much like someone trying to do a star wars movie, if that makes any sense, like a high budget fan fiction, instead of the real thing. Fords charisma and some genuine charm from Rey and bb8 sold the movie, it had some of the great atmosphere of the originals, but poor delivery in parts of the movie broke that atmosphere instead of being fully saturated with it. Overacting by Moz, Finn, and Poe, coupled with underwhelming Leia and some cookie cutter plot devices kept me from buying in as much as I wanted to. It's not as rewatchable as the originals. I felt like it was close, but it was missing the "it" factor that I saw in 4-7, the Back to the Futures, or more recently in The Man from U.N.C.L.E., for example.

funkywolve

February 24th, 2016 at 5:53 PM ^

Didn't Bama do something similiar a few years ago except it was for their bowl pracrtices?  Coulda sworn they held some of their bowl practices at a highly touted recruits high school and in addition, made some nice additions/improvents to the football field and/or facilities.

Bando Calrissian

February 24th, 2016 at 6:47 PM ^

Man, Brian, you gotta just gut it out and watch Episode III--if only for the last 45 minutes. 

Though inquiring minds want to know why Obi Wan didn't just kick Anakin into the flaming lake. If you're going to fight him enough to rip his legs and arms off and leave him crawling on third-degree burns covering the rest of his body... Why not just finish him off?

Oh, that's right, because we needed that "YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE! I LOVED YOU!" bit.

Bah. Maybe don't watch it.

BlueHills

February 24th, 2016 at 8:38 PM ^

I like Spinal Tap more than I like Star Wars.

I like Harbaugh as a coach more than I liked Hoke as a coach. I always felt Hoke's teams were likely to disintegrate at any moment in a game. I feel that Harbaugh's are more likely to pull one out and not fall apart (and yes, MSU, but I can't put that on JH).

I also lked Milton Berle's TV show more than Red Skelton's. Most of you are too young to know who those guys were.

So none of my opinions matter.

ca_prophet

February 25th, 2016 at 5:16 AM ^

Someone posted their edit of Episode I online at some point, which basically eliminated Jar-Jar along with an hour of film, resulting in a somewhat discordant but much more fast-paced movie.  Episode I has some good set pieces and if you streamline the transition from anchor scene to anchor scene the movie becomes considerably more watchable.

Episode II was dubbed "As The Galaxy Churns"; the dialogue is awful and the battle at the end, capped by getting to watch Yoda throw down, is the only redeeming bit.

Episode III does have some nice choreography in the lightsaber battles, but ultimately has almost no tension (admittedly partly due to the fact that everyone knows what's about to happen).  It also suffers from the abrupt ending.  One way to fix both of those is to tie them together - my idea was that Obi-Wan defeats Anakin, but Anakin survives by drawing on his wife's energy via the Force, which kills her, etc.  But having someone die from childbirth in a society that can do near-total body replacement on a moment's notice?  Riiiight.

 

markusr2007

February 25th, 2016 at 11:43 AM ^

And it did.

They pretty much recycled the entire Episode IV plot, killed off the one awesome IDGAF cowboy character that the franchise had (because Harrison Ford had basically had just had it with SW), then presented to the audience a new, powerful dark nemesis who takes his helmet off 1 hour in and becomes this suddenly unstable, pouting, vulnerable, emasculated emo boy, and then we have a mysterious girl who is suddenly a master of everything, who everyone trusts, and who has no flaws.

Yeah, it sucked.

I fear Episode VIII will just bring more of the same.  Six bucks and my left nut says someone's arm or hand gets cut off in the next film.

tlhwg

February 25th, 2016 at 4:14 PM ^

Agree with "The IMG trip is unprecedented, I believe, for football players. "

So the newness here is (1) scope and, as noted in the post, (2) recruiting.

Re 1 footing the bill for airfare, lodging, food, incidentals for 100+ players is different than, say, 12 basketball players.  But it's is just a difference of degree and it's not prohibited.

Re (2), since the spring break practice at IMG is during the NCAA's Quiet Period, which prohibits face-to-face contact with recruits *off-campus* and one of the practices is open to the public (recruits are part of the public), do you think there's any reason for concern re recruiting violations?

 

mgofro

February 25th, 2016 at 10:55 PM ^

Other programs do these sorts of things but take an opposite approach, playing them down so that they don't get the kind of pushback Harbaugh is getting. Harbaugh is Harbaugh, for one, and attracts attention wherever he goes no matter what he's doing. For two, Michigan is clearly implementing a public relations strategy geared toward maximum volume.