Mailbag: Nepotism Chances, Beilein Paranoia, Harbaugh Timing, RR Counterfactual Comment Count

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I am not putting all the eggs in the ol' basket based on this. Maybe a few.

Chances of similar nepotism catastrophe?

Well, we've just witnessed the final episode of Brady Hoke in Michigan Stadium.  It's very easy for some to feel anger at the head coach, but the more appropriate target(s?) are those responsible for elevating Hoke to a position he was incapable of executing.  Beyond the anger, are the responsible parties still in a position of influence?  Not Brandon, of course, my concern is more directed toward Schembechler Hall.  Is there a risk of essentially repeating the same mistake of another Michigan Man, albeit a more competent version?

Mark

Uh… no? We have already plucked the last fruit off the Lloyd Carr tree, such as it is, and Michigan men available are:

  • JIM HARBAUGH. Probably not a mistake.
  • LES MILES. Questionable due to age and sketch, but even so not in Hoke's galaxy as in terms of qualifications, or lack thereof.
  • NOBODY. There are no other Michigan-affiliated head coaches.

I guess Michigan could go way off the board and hire one of the near-rookie NFL coordinators who have ties, but you have to think that after the last search they would try to avoid the appearance of nepotism. I cannot say for sure, of course. Michigan could go with Harold Goodwin or Teryl Austin, because nobody knows anything about Jim Hackett.

I kind of doubt it, though. After the two obvious guys there isn't a midlevel head coach with an uninspiring record who you can just barely see as conceivable if you squint particularly hard.

Meanwhile the new president isn't a Michigan guy and seems kind of appalled by the current culture of the department; most of said department consists of Brandon-hired short-timers with no connection to Michigan. The guy dead-set on the nepotism hire has been flushed, and what are the chances Michigan hires two CEOs like… that… back to back?

Okay, okay: nonzero. But not high. If Hackett's anywhere near the meat of the bell curve the backup plan won't be hired because he knows six different places Encore Records has been.

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Harbaugh timing

Hi Brian,

So I've been wondering about the pros/cons of hiring a coach early vs. waiting - wouldn't it be better to sacrifice this year's recruiting class in the event that getting Harbaugh after the NFL playoffs are over is a possibility (assuming SF makes it to the postseason)? I.e. how okay would you be with a late January hire in this scenario? Obviously if you can't get Harbaugh, you're going to want to make the hire asap, but if you're Hackett and Harbaugh won't give you a straight yes/no answer until he's done at SF, what do you do?

--Alex

The best scenario is probably for San Francisco to go 10-6 and miss the playoffs in a very competitive NFC. Harbaugh is available as soon as he can be, San Francisco is unlikely to change their mind about his departure, and there's no awkward waiting.

Even if that doesn't happen, I think you have to get a firm yes or no by the beginning of January. If SF is fine with him moving on hopefully they will be fine with announcing that before the season's over. They may well be, as if reports about how the locker room hates him are true that would be a relief. "Let's all get together for the next two months and win some stuff and then we never have to see each other again," that sort of thing.

In that scenario Harbaugh's ability to recruit is going to be highly limited or even nonexistent, which is fine by me since a few phone calls probably gets Michigan back up to 8-10 kids and then whoever's left over from the Hoke staff will be able to fill in the blanks reasonably well. That would virtually guarantee Roy Manning and maybe one other position coach is on the new staff; recruiting coordinator Chris Singletary would also be a lock. (Not that I think there's much threat he gets replaced—recruiting has been the one thing the Hoke regime has done undeniably well.)

Beilein paranoia

Brian,

As we go through names and debate whether Michigan would be able to poach someone like Dan Mullen from Mississippi State or Mike Gundy from Oklahoma State, I keep coming to the conclusion that, even during their down years, there are a handful of premiere jobs like Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, etc. that are a notch above the rest, and that given the opportunity to go from a mid-level Big XII or SEC program to one of these, many coaches would take it.

This has gotten me freaked out because it seems that there's an equivalent of a Mississippi State or Oklahoma State to Michigan move in basketball, and it's Michigan to UNC, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky or UCLA.  Indiana may be looking for a new coach soon, and maybe UNC too if the NCAA violations continue to linger.

So my drawn out question is, do we need to be at all worried about Beilein?  Would his age rule him out for making another jump?  Is my analogy misguided?  Am I just being super paranoid?  Please tell me I'm being super paranoid.

Scott

You're being super paranoid. The bad news is that Beilein is planning on retiring in the relatively near future. He's got four or five or six years left before he calls it a day. The good news is that this means he's not going anywhere. He doesn't have any interest in spending a couple of those years doing one of his slow burn builds, and a big-time program is going to be looking for a longer-term solution than Beilein offers.

Meanwhile I question whether Michigan can poach some of those mid-level football coaches. Mullen, probably. Mississippi State is still dead last in its division when it comes to resources and always will be; Mullen has to know that he should strike while the iron is hot, because you can be a really good coach and still stumble to a handful of 7-6 seasons at MSU.

Gundy and Patterson already know they can build national contenders where they are; their situations in or next to the Texas talent mine are far less unbalanced than that faced by Mullen. They also are likely to have job security far beyond that Michigan would offer, and these days the money differences aren't particularly large. Both would have to think long and hard about whether they were going to give up a good thing for an unknown.

Beilein is not in a spot like Dan Mullen. He's in a spot like Gary Patterson, and I think it would take several pounds of C4 to dislodge him from TCU.

Walk-ons still extant?

Brian,

I read the Daily piece on Alex Mitropolous-Rundus and it reminded me of a question that has gone in and out of my head the last four (largely grueling) seasons: Did Hoke abandon RichRod's student body walk-on tryouts? I haven't read or heard a word about a tryout of that sort since Hoke arrived.

I hope that's only a product of nobody having made any significant impact on the field since Jordan Kovacs. But the fact that a Kovacs or someone even vaguely like him may possibly exist in our enormous student body every few years is more than reason enough that Hoke should be forcing a few assistants to spend a couple hours to run a tryout one Saturday a year if he's too lazy to do it himself.

There is literally no downside. If he and the coaches around him can't see that, well... I suppose it would be just one more thing to add to their List O' Buffoonery. I'm reasonably certain Carr held no such tryouts, and I'm guessing Hoke immediately abandoned them per his and Brandon's "Purge All Remnants of the Rodriguez Era" edict. 

Thanks.
-Rob, NJ

There are always student-body walkons, and since the walk-on program under Hoke has produced two solid starters in the Glasgow brothers that doesn't seem like a valid criticism. Yeah, they were preferred walk-ons. I don't think that's a distinction worth making. They are still guys brought onto the team without the (initial) expenditure of a scholarship slot.

The elder Glasgow was flipped from OSU, so they did something to emphasize that Michigan was a better place for them—something that paid off. Michigan's also brought in Bo Dever and Jack Wangler, wide receivers who might have some use down the road. Dever's already seeing playing time in the slot as a kind of replacement Dileo. (Unfortunately he cannot catch balls that glance off his fingertips.) Michigan's done fine with walk-ons under Hoke.

It's the guys with scholarships who have underperformed.

I really shouldn't answer this.

Not meaning to make comment section explode, but where do you think Michigan football would be right now had Brandon retained RR for another year with caveat that he was forced to hire a decent DC, money being no issue?

Peter, Horsham, PA

Oh man. This counterfactual is really really counterfactual. Rodriguez's recruiting had really cratered by the end, but what if he adds Casteel and runs a 3-3-5 that works-ish the next year while not, say, putting Denard Robinson under center for the Iowa game?

First: how much luck are we giving RR? Hoke's 11-2 opening campaign was ridiculously lucky, from the double-covered bombs to Hemingway to the 75% fumble recovery rate. If we're giving RR Hoke's butt-horseshoe I think Michigan has a season about as good, with the defense not quite reaching those Mattison levels and the offense not trying to do nonsense things with Denard.

I'm not sure that saves RR when Denard goes down in the middle of the next season and the OL falls off thanks to his crappy recruiting. But it's close.

Comments

gwkrlghl

November 27th, 2014 at 12:24 AM ^

FFS Richrod's offenses were really bad against teams with a pulse. Everyone is imagining that Denard was getting 30 PPG every single game. We'd blow the doors off awful teams and do nothing vs good teams which gave a nice average that everyone likes to quote without looking at the standard deviation

Wisconsin, MSU, and OSU all basically shutdown Richrod's offense every year. I don't know why everyone thinks we were scoring a billion points a game.

J.Madrox

November 26th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

He had 6 conference wins in 3 years, that is unacceptable. Is he a better coach than Hoke, yes. But this whole improvement of record thing is crap. It is impossible not to improve when your first year is the worst year in a long time for Michigan. Was it all his fault, probably not, but it was still his team that won 3 games his first year.

Criticize Hoke for his declining record, point to Rich Rod's record outside of Michigan as proof he is a better coach than Hoke, but this Rich Rod improvement narrative is terrible and needs to end.

westwardwolverine

November 26th, 2014 at 4:54 PM ^

Its hard to improve each year on defense when A. You can't bring in the coordinator you want and B. the secondary gets younger and younger. 

And his team did improve every year. And the following year, when they actually had a real secondary, they would have been fine. 

Leonhall

November 26th, 2014 at 6:08 PM ^

Casteel didn't want to come to michigan. I think the pay would have been the same as WVU, I don't think he wanted to leave. RR should have kept Schafer. Plus for being known as an offensive guy, why couldn't we do shit against the good teams? His record got better because he started with 3 wins! By year 3, of course there would be a win increase...what didn't improve was the offense against good teams, that's why I felt he should be fired, his defense was awful and the offense regressed against good teams... If you are known for offense and it has regressed each year against good competition and your defense had always been pitiful, how could anyone argue to bring him back? Regardless if how he was doing, he wasn't improving this team, he deserved what he got.



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M-Dog

November 26th, 2014 at 5:05 PM ^

But those 10 wins are not against OSU and MSU and he's not winning Big Ten Chapionships.  That's expected here.  
 
RR may not beat ASU regularly nor win the Pac12 South, and they'll still keep him around at AZ.  
 
Not the case here.  We're not happy being top 25 and beating the mid-pack conference teams.  Not when Michigan State Michigan State is winning Big Ten Championships and Ohio State is running amok unchecked through the Big Ten.  If they can do it, we expect to do it.

tybert

November 26th, 2014 at 2:29 PM ^

that could be successful here. Even though he flamed out in Denver, Josh McDaniels could be successful in college. Sure, he hasn't coached college ball in many years but would be smart enough to hire some good college assts. The main thing a CFB HC needs is to be able to create a winning routine, attitude, and make the tough calls on 4th down, etc. Bill O'Brien had been out of college ball for some years and showed he could win at PSU.

Obviously Harbaugh then Miles would great or at least pretty good here. And, in fairness to Hackett, I don't thing his presence here (whether for 1 mo or 1 yr or 5 yrs) is going to scare off those two guys if they really want to come here. Those guys either do or don't want to return to Michigan now that Brandon's gone. We'll know in about 2 weeks with Miles and hopefully by Christmas with Jim. 

I just can't stomach another year with Hoke just because a perfect successor isn't coming here. Think enough negative recruiting is already killing us with guys like Weber. Let's give the new guy a nice home schedule with MSU and OSU at home to see if he can get a signature win. 

SFBlue

November 26th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^

I am afraid the RR fourth year question will be debated among Michigan fans for a very long time. It was an inflection point, and not just because the reset button was pushed with RR's first team in 2008.

The only thing that will save Michigan fans from this torment is when (if?) Michigan hires a coach who has accomplished as much or more than RR.

Kingpin74

November 26th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

Have to respectfully disagree with Brian on the Harbaugh timing. I highly doubt that an NFL playoff team would preemptively announce a coaching change while they're still playing. I can't ever remember that happening unless the coach was about to retire. He's under contract for next year and they don't have to say anything, especially given the reports that he doesn't get along with management (which is mostly how he's "available" at all). I don't think they'd be in a rush to help him for his next stop. I suppose Harbaugh himself could say something, but that would look pretty awful if you remove my Michigan bias.

Brian's right that it would be a late December/early January commitment, but it would have to be a private, unenforceable commitment as long as the Niners keep playing. I really think it all comes down to when they lose. If they miss the playoffs (December 28) or lose in the wild card round (January 3-4), no problem. You can get a real answer and the good backup candidates should still be in play. Losing in the Divisional round (January 10-11) is borderline but probably still OK. Beyond that, it gets very dicey. I guess you could still pull it off after the NFC Championship if the Niners lose, but that's a high stakes gamble. And if they make the Super Bowl, forget it. I know they can't block him from a college job and the rumors are that he's gone no matter what, but you have to acknowledge the possibility of both sides mending fences if they go that far. And for us, we'd have no real answer and would potentially be faced with the disaster of him turning us down in early February. So in short, go Niners opponents.

 

funkywolve

November 26th, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^

about the Niners announcing he's not coming back if they are in the playoff hunt.  In addition, if Harbaugh is top target, there needs to be communication with him, maybe starting next week, to gauge his interest in the UM job.  You don't want to wait until late Dec/early Jan only to find out that Harbaugh would rather roll the dice with the another NFL team.

Kingpin74

November 26th, 2014 at 2:48 PM ^

I'll say this though, the fact that he's under contract for next year is a big plus for us. The Niners would want compensation from any NFL team (the Jon Gruden trade to the Bucs being an extreme example) and would be loathe to send him elsewhere in the NFC to beat them. And the likely open AFC options (Jets, Raiders) have very crappy rosters even before you'd trade a draft pick for a coach. So it becomes a game of chicken of other teams not wanting to give up too much for a coach that's on his way out anyway, and the Niners not wanting to send him somewhere where he can haunt them. So the free transition to a college job looks better for all involved.

UMaD

November 26th, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^

"Gundy and Patterson already know they can build national contenders where they are"

And Mullen does not?  I'm pretty sure he has one, right now, and he probably is aware of that.

Brodie

November 26th, 2014 at 6:08 PM ^

Mullen also has to be aware that he cannot consistently contend at MsSU. He needs a perfect storm of senior talent and down years at places like LSU and Texas A&M to even touch a top 10 finish let alone top 4. Gundy and Patterson have significantly easier roads... the Big 12 is effectively up for grabs year in and year out.

if coaches thought they could win at places like Mississippi State long term, a lot more coaches would stay at that level than actualy do.

UMaD

November 26th, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^

Nobody thought anything much of Oregon in the 90s, Miami in the 70s, FSU in the 60s, etc.  Nothing prevents MSU from being 'next' on the list of powerhouse programs that emerged from obscurity/mediocrity.  It just takes one great head coach.

If Ole Miss can recruit elite talent so can MSU. Their facilities have been upgraded, they are up and running and in the top 5.  They could win a national title this year, and the recruits will follow.

Patterson and Briles are examples of people sticking at non-traditional powers. Belloti/Kelly didn't leave Oregon for another school. Rodriguez turned down Alabama to stay at WVU and came to Michigan only after fighting with his AD.  Schiano turned down MIchigan to stay at Rutgers. etc.

 

 

Brodie

November 26th, 2014 at 9:34 PM ^

All of those situations have their contexts and circumstances, though. Miami and FSU rose due a myriad of factors such as new demographic realities (Florida gained 8 million residents between 1960 and 1990) and both were independents when they achieved their powerhouse status, meaning they didn't have to worry about playing Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Texas A&M, Georgia, Florida, etc. every single year.... Miami's first national title team played all of three ranked opponants in the regular season and lost to one, Florida State's first top 10 finish in 1979 featured only a single game against a ranked opponant.

Oregon began their rise in a very down Pac-10... 7 different Pac-10 teams made Rose Bowl appearences in the 1990's. Even then, Rich Brooks and Chip Kelly both bolted for the NFL at the earliest opportunity and Bellotti was literally on a plane to Columbus before he backed out of the Ohio State job. Some were even suggesting that Helfrich would leave this season before they once again entered the playoff picture via the parity filled Pac-12.

Ole Miss gets top recruits because they're basically playing the modern day SMU and flaunting the NCAA. There is a reason not a single person ever mentioned Hugh Freeze for either the Michigan or Florida job, it's because literally every single person expects him to be up to his ass in sanctions in a few years time. We might have our suspicions about MSU but what is happening in Oxford is obvious and barely hidden.

Patterson and Briles are riding a similar demographic wave to the Florida schools and have found themselves amazing cultural fits... they're both at low expectation, high ceiling schools in the right area of the country. I can't imagine Mullen is actually in love with Starkville and the fans there are more or less delusional, if he won 7 games next year he might well find himself fired. RichRod was in an amazing situation at WVU, guaranteed a BCS bowl every year by virtue of being the big fish in he shitty conference. Schiano turned us down because he wanted to eventually coach PSU.

991GT3

November 26th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^

once RR was let go.

Why do we assume that Hoke is a great recruiter? Isn't the ultimate test how well they perform on the field. NO doubt coaching has a role in this but it is possible that despite the five star recruits talents in the end they may not be football players which are NFL caliber. Hoke's philosophy in recruiting seems to emphasis style (stars) over substance.

 

 

gwkrlghl

November 27th, 2014 at 12:31 AM ^

So all these masses of players (probably around 100 in Hoke's era) which are all highly regarded by

  • Our staff
  • Other teams staffs
  • Multiple recruiting services

is not enough to determine conclusively that Hoke is a good recruiter. To say he's not would mean you'd have to assume Hoke and all the recruiting services were just wrong on most of the guys he's recruited. The odds of that being the case are just laughably small.

westwardwolverine

November 26th, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^

It is strange how the Big Ten broke for Hoke in 2011:

In 2009 Michigan faced 11-2 OSU, 11-2 Iowa, 11-2 Penn State and 10-3 Wisconsin + MSU on the road. 

In 2010 Michigan faced 12-1 OSU, 11-2 Wisconsin, 11-2 MSU + an Iowa team that was much better than their record

In 2011 Michigan faced 11-3 MSU and....9-4 Nebraska. They got a 6-7 OSU at home.

Its clear in hindsight, given what has happened here and what has happened at Arizona that the right move (something a true forward thinking CEO would have done) was give RR one year with his first complete team and Jeff Casteel. At the time when Harbaugh was not to be gotten, it was the right move. 

Also, I'm not sure that Mattison is any better than Casteel. Arizona is ranked higher in FEI right now than Michigan and they were last year as well. This with recruiting classes that rank near the bottom of a better conference. It would appear that once Michigan had to stop playing true freshman 2-stars in the secondary, they improved considerably. That was probably the biggest reason for the leap in defensive stability. 

Its too bad Rodriguez couldn't have arrived the year before and had Henne, Hart, Manningham, Long and Arrington to carry him through his first year. Then the program would be all set. Guess we just aren't as lucky as OSU. 

Brodie

November 26th, 2014 at 6:14 PM ^

depending on what set of rumors you believe

whether the person is trying to paint DB as completely incompetant or not

we waited to fire RR expressly to have a shot at Harbaugh, who would be unwilling to leave before the Orange Bowl, only to find out too late that we weren't actually even in contention for his services.

 

I fear that many here want us to make the same mistake again and wait until January in a Harbaugh centric process that results in us hiring some also ran when he goes off to the Jets or Raiders.

Bill the Butcher

November 26th, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^

To Ron in NJ. 

You are wrong about student body tryouts under Lloyd Carr.  He definitely had them, because I attended 2 of them while I was on campus.  

Just because they aren't publicized as much doesn't mean they don't exist.  

But by all means keep piling on to our current and former coaches/AD.

clown91

November 26th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^

Actually you completely misinterpreted the walk-on question like Brian did.  He was literally asking if the student body walk-on try outs are still being done post RR. That's it. The question was not a comment on the PREFERRED walk-ons, who were obviously evaluated before enrolling (they are a different animal). And it was not a pile-on for Hoke, because Rob started asking me this question when we were all still in the optimistic Hoke honeymoon phase. Rob thought the publicised student body walk-on tryouts were a cool thing to do and was literally just asking if they still exist post RR. It could have been a yes or no answer.

Bill the Butcher

November 27th, 2014 at 1:42 AM ^

I didn't misinterpret anything.  I was at student body walk-on tryouts twice while in undergrad at U of M while Lloyd Carr was the coach.  So when he says this:

I'm reasonably certain Carr held no such tryouts, and I'm guessing Hoke immediately abandoned them per his and Brandon's "Purge All Remnants of the Rodriguez Era" edict.

So, no, I'm not being touchy.  He is claiming "reasonable certainty" about something that is completely untrue, and he also "guessed" that Hoke and Brandon did away with them immediately.  Again, somethign that isn't true.  If he didn't want a "touchy" response he could have asked his question very simply by saying: "do student body open try-outs still exist?"

See how easy that was for me to ask without having to make claims that our former and current coaches didn't have them, when he obviously has no clue at all.  

UMaD

November 26th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^

This is the dumbest meme that just won't die.  The exact OPPOSITE is true.

2008:  Recruits 6 guys to fit massive need inherited from Carr. [Omameh, Branum, Mealer, ONeill, Wermers]

2009:  Recruits 3 [Lewan, Schofield, Washington OR Campbell]

2010: Recruits 1 [Pace]

2011: Aborted class, preliminarily looks like: [Fisher, Bryant, Posada]

Grades:

2008 grade: A-.   A 4-year starter and future NFL, plus Barnum, who he generally seemd to like even more but was often injured.  Mealer was serviceable.  ONeill transferred but was solid in the MAC.  Wermers was the only bust.

2009 grade: A+.  3 scholarships/3 NFL draft picks.  Lewan was a 4 year starter.  Schofield could have been.  Washington and Campbell flipped around between offense and defense and took too long to develop to be contributers on O, but this is good talent identification overall. 

2010 grade: C.  Pace was injured.  Small class but there wasn't much need to take more.  Because of the 9 guys he took in two classes (08 and 09) and the massive needs on D he did not take more.  Rightfully so!  He had Lewan, Schofield, Omameh, Barnum, Molk and only had to find ONE more guy who was ready by 2012, and he already had that guy between Barnum and Mealer.  He was fighting to keep his job, not worried about 2013.  Besides, he had proven he could turn RS Freshman into starters already!

2011 grade:  B?.  Posada looks like a bust, regardless of who coached him.  Fisher is a stud.  Bryant got injured.

 

OL by year under Rodriguez:

2010:  Lewan/Schilling/Molk/Omameh/Dorrestein

2011: Lewan/Barnum/Molk/Omameh/Schofield

2012: Lewan/Barnum/Khoury/Omameh/Schofield  [Or Mealer if you think Khoury wouldnt have cut it]

2013: Lewan/Schofield/Fisher plus people out of the '11, '12, '13 classes that Rodriguez never got.

So where exactly is the massive failure by Rodriguez?  A:  It's in Brady Hoke's inability to develop OL talent.

 

 

Bill the Butcher

November 26th, 2014 at 3:17 PM ^

Except O'neill and Wermers left after a year (IE with Coach Rod still in control) and Campbell and Washington both played defense.  So that makes 2009 only have 2 guys in it.  And then he took 1 guy in 2010.  

So in a 3 year period where you should take anywhere from 10-15 lineman we had 7.  That causes issues.  Which we saw last year.  

UMaD

November 26th, 2014 at 4:19 PM ^

In Rodriguez's 3 classes he took 10 guys.  In Hoke's 3 classes he took 11.

Rodriguez, like Hoke, had one transition year class where he took some of "his" and some of "the other guys".  He several more weeks than Hoke did, but it was still not fully HIS class.  Not that it mattered for OL that much...

The 2011 class shouldn't be counted for or against anyone.  Rodriguez didn't get to sign that class or coach any of them, and the offensive philosophy completely changed.  You saw Omameh, a great looking starter as a freshman and sophomore for Rodriguez and current NFL starter look totally inept under Hoke as a senior.  So, even Posada might have worked out, for all we know (though I doubt it).  If you want to blame Rodriguez for him, OK, but then you also have to credit Rodriguez for Fisher.

 

readyourguard

November 26th, 2014 at 3:50 PM ^

I have a hard time getting past a comment like "Posada looks like a bust no matter who coached him".  Looks like?  The dude quit football before setting foot on a college campus.

Omameh's Rivals page listed him as a 6'4" 236# DE.  I can't recall if RR brought him is as an OL or made the switch after his arrival.  Nonetheless, he was serviceable and made it to an NFL roster. Meanwhile Barnum, O'Neill, and Wermers never did anything.  How does this class elicit an A-?

Lewan, Schofield deserve an A because they both got drafted. However, Washington didn't do anything until he played defense.  Calling a 2 year practice squad guy (Campbell) an NFLer is somewhat of a reach for me, especially since he's playing a different position than he did here.

2010 a C? 1 OL who never played?