Mailbag: Lear, Rudock Deep, Punt Agonies, Whoville Comment Count

Brian

Pretty much

As flies to wanton boys are we to th' gods,
They kill us for their sport.

Scott

What's going on with Rudock?

Brian - you made some comments today on the podcast about how Jake Rudock's inability to hit the deep ball has finally bitten us in the collective asses, which I agree. You also mentioned that when you watched him last year, while he wasn't dead-on every time, he was able to hit the deep pass from time to time - something he clearly can't do this year.

My question is this - to me, this does not seem like a 'new coach, new system' type of a problem. Those issues seem to be the ones where he fails to even attempt a throw to a wide open receiver (which he does all the time - but I give him more of a pass for that as the "new system / new coach" issue). But when he throws the deep pass, only inaccurately - that suggests to me an issue with maybe his mechanics or something else that has thrown off his accuracy past 15 yards. Any thoughts why that might be? If anything, I would expect his deep accuracy to improve with a guy like Harbaugh teaching him the fundamentals. Again, I separate this from other issues such as "stares down Butt" or "ignores screamingly open routes every once in awhile."

Thanks,
Jeff

Yeah, you got me. Some of the Rudock problems are issues that make sense given what we saw from him at Iowa. Not throwing at sort of covered Jake Butt on second and goal from the 18 is a Rudock problem I can understand. That is his reputation. Rudock not  finding receivers is a problem I can understand. He's in a new system.

Rudock underthrowing Amara Darboh by about 20 yards is inexplicable. Any quarterback is going to be off on some long throws; to miss as often and as badly as Rudock has is not something that I saw last year. That's not just homerdom. Preseason, PFF put out an article titled "Michigan can win with QB Jake Rudock" that noted he was 12th in downfield (20+ yards in the air) accuracy by their system last year. In the Maryland game, BTN had a similar stat:

rudock not so much

The disparity is certainly bigger now.

I don't know if he's hurt or his mechanics are messed up or what, but for whatever reason his ability to hit downfield passes has collapsed. Why? I dunno. Is there something different in what he's doing here?

2014

2015

Since one is in the middle of the field and one on the sideline. Those are throws of about the same length. Am I crazy or does the 2015 video look like a guy who's loading up to get it as far as he can while 2014 sees Rudock make a throw that's comfortably within his range? I dunno.

Something is wrong. A problematic injury, possibly one that caused the weird Iowa QB depth chart thing, is a possible explanation. The other explanation is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ref hot take

Brian:

Having read Seth’s analysis of the officiating (and you really should make him do that weekly) my question is why – why did this happen to us?  If you ascribe these “errors” to incompetence, shouldn’t there be an equal number of blown calls going in our favor?  Incompetent referees should be just as likely to screw things up for team A as team B and over the course of a 60 minute game shouldn’t it balance relatively out if they are simply incompetent?

The obvious alternative to incompetence is the officials had an agenda and carried it out.  Granted, we still should’ve won the game but with so many critical calls being made against Michigan it made the game much closer than it needed to be and allowed the last play to finally tip the scale in MSU’s favor.   And if it’s an agenda – why does it exist?

What say you?  Incompetence, agenda or something else?

MGrowOld

If you flip a coin a million times there are going to be stretches in there where you get a long series of heads or tails. Michigan just ate an game that was virtually all tails. There's no need for a further explanation. Over the past decade or so it's been definitively proven that the replay officials are not good enough at their job, but that's all. The Big Ten tends to use retired referees in the booth, with evidently disastrous results.

If there was any sort of "plan" here Michigan wouldn't have gotten a free touchdown when their receiver barely scraped the pylon a few years back in this very game. Remember that? That call was overturned from the correct call to free TD. Replay officials should no longer be people with rotary phones. Actual officials are probably the best we've got. That sucks; not much to do about it.

[After THE JUMP: HSPs future, Whoville analogy, we should have done this or that]

Hybrid space players of the future

With the success of Jabrill Peppers in the HSP role and the HSP as the future of defense, what does the future of the position look like for Michigan? Michigan could have as little as one more year of Peppers, his replacement is likely on campus or committed right now, but it isn't clear (at least to me) who the heir apparent is? Who are your top candidates to take over the spot after Jabrill Peppers moves on to the NFL?

-Mathlete

Tyree Kinnel. Kinnel is an excellent athlete who is a corner/safety tweener, but don't just take it from me:

“Kinnel is just a great athlete. I would put him up there with guys like Cam Burrows and others like that from years past. He’s half safety and half corner. He has great coverage skills. He has good size. He is a fit kid.”

All three major recruiting services made that exact comment about Kinnel. While he's not Peppers his reputation is the kind of guy who can cover in space and lay a lick when that's required. He is, or will soon be, the heir apparent.

I mean, probably. Safety is looking mighty thin right about now. Next year Michigan will have senior versions of Hill and Thomas plus Kinnel and true freshmen. The only safety type they have committed right now is Josh Metellus, a sleeper out of Florida. Kinnel might get drafted at safety and then you're back to Countess-style nickelbacks.

Acquiring safeties is a major priority in recruiting the rest of the way.

How likely is the OSU game to be a defacto division championship now?

Enquiring minds want to know:

What is the predicted probability of State winning each of their remaining games? We need them to lose two. We have to count on them losing to the Buckeyes. What is the other game we need to pin our hopes on?  Is it at Nebraska?  Home against Penn State?  Do the Hoosiers have a chance?

Joel

If you go by the advanced stats there's a surprisingly good shot. S&P has the Spartans just 26th. If we assume a loss to OSU, S&P gives MSU just a 21% chance of winning out otherwise, with games at Nebraska and home against PSU near coinflips.

That is optimistic. The stats don't know that MSU has been missing big chunks of their OL that has returned; also the outstanding weakness of MSU's defense will be difficult for Nebraska and Penn State to take advantage of. But if MSU was in dogfights against terrible Purdue(#98) and Rutgers(#92) outfits, every game on the schedule is losable. Except Maryland.

All of the infinite "we should have done X" emails.

This can stand in as a proxy for the rest:

In a situation like the one M found itself in on Saturday, have you ever heard of or seen a team put a man back behind the punter, sort of like the safety man on a kneel?  He could protect against a high or low snap that goes past the punter, or in the case like Saturday, or a simple block, he's there for a potential tackle.  Might be silly to plan for catastrophe like that but high/low snaps, bobbled snaps, and blocked punts collectively are not uncommon.  And I can't help think that if Pepper was ten yards behind Blake we might be having a different conversation right now.

In Jim we trust,
Tim

Yeah, that would have been better than having Jourdan Lewis amble downfield by himself. Yes, they probably should have been in whatever formation they have for punts from their own goal line. No, they shouldn't have tried something weird or fancy to drain the last ten seconds. It took both a fumbled snap and a very bad decision afterward and that bad decision ending up directly in the hands of a guy running full speed for that to happen on a play that won't happen for another 20 years across CFB.

Practice time is limited and better spent on things that had won the game until a series of highly improbable things all happened at once.

But yeah next time have a safety.

Whoville man

Hi Brian,

I've encountered something odd, and after looking around, it's more common then I thought. It seems that Spartan fans, are angry that Michigan fans, aren't as upset, as they feel we should be. They want us to be devastated. To admit that it was the most gut wrenching, soul stealing thing that's ever happened in our lives. The fact that most of us are keeping things in prospective... this is Harbaugh first year, building a culture, waiting for a QB to make his offense go, ect.... well, it's disturbing a lot of Spartans. They feel like this should be a referendum loss. That this loss should define Michigan, and Harbaugh.

It's almost to the point they're more upset about us not being upset, then they are happy about winning. I even heard Wojo talking about this strange phenomena. He said it reminded him of, the Grinch stealing Christmas, yet all the people in Whoville coming out and singing... and the Grinch perplexed as to why... that's Spartan fans right now.

Chris

For real. Twitter's been interesting this week. I put up the game column and had a pile of Spartans descend on me for calling their trash program for what it is. Sorry guys, but if you play a guy who pulled a gun on someone this summer and repeatedly try to injure Michigan players once a game is decided and have a linebacker suspended from the Rose Bowl for still-undisclosed reasons that your beat writers scramble to cover up and run all the way from the other endzone to taunt the Michigan student section, I am going to call your program trash. You can call me whatever you want; the difference is that I don't care and won't read it.

OSU fans, too. Eleven Warriors just put up a boutique site dedicated to the bad things that have happened over the past eight years thanks to Michigan's "institutional arrogance"; I pointed out that a school that…

  • had its last coach fired for repeatedly lying to the NCAA
  • went undefeated and missed a bowl game because their athletic director thought they could get away with the previous bullet point without a post-season ban
  • actually calls itself THE Ohio State University

…accusing anyone else of institutional arrogance was ironic, and RIP my mentions.

I mean, at this point I've seen a lot of bad things. After the immediate stun effect of that game I was more or less fine. As I said in the game column, it's clear where this is going and I'm just happy to have actual football back in my life. If this happens when M has a big opportunity in year five they I might get shook up. Right now I am calm because I like where this is going… and rivals are foaming at the mouth at me for that take.

Previous stops are not this stop

MGoBloggers,

What is the likely Harbaugh tenure at Michigan if all goes according to plan?  And by “according to plan” I mean successful seasons of 10+ wins, BCS bowls, and possibly an NC?  Am I unrealistic to think 5 years is too much considering he doesn’t coach for more than 4 years at each organization he’s been at?

Thanks,

Jordan Davis

Harbaugh left his coaching stops before San Francisco because they were steps up the coaching ladder, not because he had "worn out his welcome." Getting the Stanford job is a great move when you're at a non-scholarship I-AA school. Getting the 49ers job is a great move when you're at Stanford.

The only actual evidence that Harbaugh can't stay in a place for a long time is what went down in San Francisco, and at this point the entire world knows who the problem actually was. Jed York's a version of Dave Brandon the 49ers can't fire.

I'm not making any promises about Harbaugh because he's an extraordinarily strong-willed guy who is not necessarily a lifer. But he's building homes here, his kids are in school here, and this is his home. I think he'll be around a good long while.

Comments

Newton Gimmick

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:09 PM ^

This game proved it was never about who has a better football team.  They're undefeated after an absolute gift win and they're still bitching.  MSU fan says: "sucks to be you, you lost." M fan thinks: "sucks to be you, you're still you."

All they want is our approval.  

The most inaccurate thing about "Little Brother" is the "brother" part.  My brothers and I are competitive, sure, but have an underlying love for each other.  When one of us has a truly bad experience, the other two don't rub it in their face and derive glee out of another's suffering.

There is a cruelness to the rivalry that has really amped up since Dantonio took over.  Win or lose, it's not much fun to just be each other's grinches. 

dragonchild

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^

Great that you get along with your siblings, but maybe you haven't seen a dysfunctional sibling rivalry.  There are actual little brothers who are like this (little sisters as well, FWIW).  Big brother has all the talent and wealth and popularity AND is, well, bigger, so little brother can't even beat him up even though he seethes with jealousy.  When things go on so long it does things to them, and eventually they can't be happy with anything.  They could grow up to be bigger, stronger & richer than big brother but it will never be enough because nothing can erase big brother just being bigger for so long.

That's MSU, and their recent success in the rivalry has done nothing but prove Hart right.  They ARE little brother.  They're that eternally spiteful and bitter sibling.  They've owned Michigan for years now and rather than be happy that they have an undefeated team in the Top 5, they can only covert their success into cruelty.

But I agree, this rivalry just isn't fun.  OSU feasted on Michigan just as much as MSU, but their nastiness has more or less been on par with what I'd expect for any age-old rivalry.  MSU is unhinged.  It's like playing pick-up ball with a guy who turns out to be extremely violent -- win or lose, you're just trying to get out of there without any broken bones.

stephenrjking

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^

Can someone explain this to me? I was watching on tv and I confess I may not have been entirely rational at the time. I did see players celebrating; that doesn't bother me, they ought to be excited. And a couple guys looking at the crowd a bit, well, that happens too. Guys do the "hush" gesture on the road all the time.

And the touchdown happened in that endzone, so of course the team is going to run to it, just as ours would if we were in the same situation. (Which reminds me, how did Watts-Jackson's injury occur? Was it a result of the piling on? I've always worried about that in those situations, and of course with all the shouting the players wouldn't know their guy is hurt).

Was there something else that I didn't see? I don't have any desire to actually look at the footage again.

His Dudeness

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:47 PM ^

NOw I am a little hazy on the details although I was there... but I am 80% sure after our team was off the field a good dozen or more MSU players ran over to the M student section (as we would normally do after a win). This was certainly to taunt as the visiting section is on the opposite end of the field in the upper bowl.

I don't care if they did it or not. I was still shocked we had lost. Mouth open, sitting with my hands on my head.

Pepto Bismol

October 22nd, 2015 at 3:05 PM ^

I was in the South end zone (Section 15) - same side, other end from the students.  All of the Spartan fans were down below me in my section and the next one over (16?).

The play happened and was returned into the opposite endzone right in front of the students.  Once they scored, The entire MSU sideline went crazy and sprinted across the field into that corner to celebrate the score.

(While I stood stunned, praying for a flag or review), Michigan's players and coaches crossed into the tunnel.

After a few seconds on the far end, the Spartan players then ran the length of the field to our section and started jumping onto the wall to celebrate with their fans.  Eventually, the whole team made it down to our end, complete with Paul Bunyan in a Spartan helmet.  The only people in the far endzone were medical staff tending to the injured player (who btw, broke his hip on the tackle, prior to celebration).

As the stadium realized the loss at the same time, the aisle clogged immediately.  We had no choice but to stand in place for 5-10 minutes and watch it all unfold. 

I have no doubt the MSU players taunted the students to a degree.  I mean they were right there.  But they did make it down to our end with their fans pretty quickly. 

......

(almost posted)

Actually, one of the last things I remember before we started moving up the aisle was Connor Cook holding up Paul Bunyan running back down the Michigan sideline looking toward the crowd -- kinda like when a player shows off the Stanley Cup, almost like a victory lap.  I assumed he was going to give it to (whatever his name is) that scored. 

It's very possible they went back to taunt the students at that point.  Seems like a lot of people were gone by that point.  I dunno.  That's when I finally got out.

 

 

His Dudeness

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^

As for the injury, it happened on the play. If you wanted to watch it again you can see his knee hits the turf in such a way that his femur compacts linealry putting all the force  into his lower pelvis (in the socket) and pops out a portion of the pelvis. I've actually had this exact same injury albeit from a car accident. You can see him drop the ball and clutch his left hip as he rolls over. The pile was probably just extremely painful for the kid, but the fall into the endzone caused the injury.  It is an injury you can come back from as well.

maizenbluenc

October 22nd, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

jumping off a hobie cat sailing up onto the beach. It is really surreal knowing the ball of your hip is not where it is supposed to be. I guess I was lucky not to be piled onto by half a football team. He'll be feeling that hip every time the pressure drops in advance of a storm, or just before it snows.

As for taunting - a student posted on here the other day, that some of the Spartans down there were taunting, though I think that may have gone differently if Watts-Jackson was able to run back towards his bench.

 

stephenrjking

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:10 PM ^

My guess is that Harbaugh gives the NFL another shot in the "right situation" in a few years, assuming all goes well here. My hope is to get 4-5 years and a national title (winning one the year after he leaves on the back of his work would, of course, be just fine). At the very least, conference championships, a playoff berth or two, plus major bowl wins. And beating MSU and OSU regularly.

I'd love Harbaugh to be a lifer here. But he has been to the Super Bowl; he was oh-so-close to winning it; it's hard to think that, assuming he achieves real success here, he won't start getting anxious to give it another shot.

The best thing we have going for us right now is that Jim Harbaugh has only been here for a year. Chuck Pagano is on his way out in Indianapolis this season, and smart NFL guys (knowing that no talks have taken place and admitting this up front) have speculated about Harbaugh to Indy. Given that they have still-young Andrew Luck, both the best young QB in the league and a guy Harbaugh loved coaching; given that they have attempted to build a team that fits Harbaugh's style; given that it's Indianapolis, where he achieved his greatest moments as a player--there will never be a better situation for Harbaugh to jump into with the potential to win early and win often.

But it has only been a year. Harbaugh seems to believe something about God-and-Country, or else he wouldn't have come in the first place. So the temptation is, presumably, not overwhelming. Not yet.

But if Indy hires someone who flames out after three years and Luck is still there and they have a decent roster, the game might be up.

dipshit moron

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:19 PM ^

he was in the pros...he had success in the pros... he could have stayed in the pros...why is everyone so sure thats what he wants. he could have had that now. so michigan is just a little break till he goes back to the pros? makes no sense.

reshp1

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^

I'm not convinced he even wants to be in the NFL at this point. It's the one job he's had that didn't work out for him, and that last season could not have been fun. At the same time, neither was he run out of the NFL. There were numerous teams that would have opened their wallets to try and get him. So, clearly returning to college football was by choice. I think going to the NFL in the first place reflects Harbaugh's intense desire to be the best, but I think it might be a "been there, done that" type of thing for him now. The only thing I can think of is if he just needs to win a Superbowl, but aside from that I can't think of any motivation for him to go back to the NFL. I don't see another school at the college level being attractive for him either. 

SalvatoreQuattro

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:22 PM ^

At the height of his success he mentioned in an interview that Ann Arbor was his favorite place to live. He has young kids, complete control, and is making millions. He has seen the NFL game. He knows that every coach not named Belichick lives a precarious existence that depends on the caprice of an owner.

I don't see Harbaugh working for a drug addict. I could see him with the Lions seeing how hands off and patient the Fords are. The Lions are a much greater threat in my opinion than the Colts.

stephenrjking

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^

His obvious desire and contentedness coaching here at Michigan, and my previous suggestion that the Super Bowl is unfinished business (and, really, the only unfinished business) makes me think that he would need the "right situation" to coach in. The "right situation" means a team that is close to being able to win a Super Bowl.

Which is code for "has a great quarterback." 

I want Matt Stafford to be good. I want him to get a good coach. But the Lions are at least another major regime change and team rebuild away from being a team that is close to winning a Super Bowl, and likely (because it's the Lions) a lifetime away from it. 

The kind of situation that could tempt him IF he can be tempted is a situation that has a strong QB, the right kind of front office, and a good roster/cap situation that gives more than a year to succeed. A team that has fired a coach for underperformance and is ready to both back up the truck and remold the organization to attract someone they believe will be the right guy. 

 

ScruffyTheJanitor

October 22nd, 2015 at 2:46 PM ^

But, apart from the occasional PR snafu, Irsay has been a pretty good owner. He lets his football Ops people work on their own until they prove they aren't good enough. Bill Polian was THE decision maker when he was in power. He only got fired because he wanted to keep Peyton and Luck. 

 I think the reason he seems so much more vocal this year is because he realizes that he hired an average coach and a terrible GM. I think both are on the outs.He wants to win with Luck. I think that after Harbaugh says, "uhhh...NOPE", he's going to swing for the fences- Something like a Scott Pioli and Sean Peyton combination. 

jmblue

October 22nd, 2015 at 4:02 PM ^

I don't think he wants to go back to the pros.  The San Francisco experience surely left a bitter taste in his mouth.  Meanwhile he's living his childhood dream and giving his children the chance to experience it as well.  Unless we make a really poor AD hire, I don't see why he won't be very happy here.

AC1997

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:11 PM ^

The MSU fan reaction to the game has made me sad.  I realize that Michigan fans have their own stereotype of arrogance built over decades and many of our fan base continue to promote it.  In that regard it is similar to Notre Dame.  Both schools have nearly a thousand wins for a reason and grew to expect 9+ win seasons and nice bowls and nice rankings.....even when they probably shouldn't have.  I get that perception of our fan base and go out of my way to avoid behaving that way (and the last 8 years have helped make that easy).

 

But I can't see how MSU fans don't realize when they fall into the same trap.  I hated the little brother line from Mike Hart and how it was the touchstone for Dantonio's career, but they continue to demonstrate why it fits.  They care more about screwing Michigan than the fact that they have an undefeated team poised for a championship run and have had a great half-dozen years and strong future trajectory.  They should have left that game thanking whatever diety they pray to (probably the porcelin god) that their hopes are still in play.  Instead they used it to taunt Michigan fans - Jemele Hill being the poster child for that behavior.  

 

Sigh.....sometimes stereotypes exist because they are so accurate.

Aero01

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^

This is exactly why Dantonio is the perfect coach for them.  I don't remember which year it was, but it was one of the RichRod one's where, going in to the last week of the season, MSU needed to beat Penn St. and have us beat OSU in order to win the Big 10 (or maybe to go to the Big Ten championship game).  A reporter asked Dantonio something along the lines of whether it felt weird to have to root for Michigan.  His response was "Go Bucks!"

That is the epitome of their Little Brother mentality.

MH20

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:59 PM ^

It was the 2010 season, where a Michigan victory over OSU (plus an MSU win over PSU) would have given MSU a shared Big Ten title with Wisconsin at 7-1 in conference and an assured BCS bowl game.

Instead, OSU kicked Michigan's ass, there was a 3-way tie for Big Ten champs, and MSU was relegated to the Citrus Bowl based on an inferior BCS ranking, where they were completely destroyed by 9-3 Alabama.

kevin holt

October 22nd, 2015 at 2:11 PM ^

To be fair, Dantonio was the DC at OSU for 3 seasons, and spent 2 seasons there as a grad assistant. If I were the head coach of Purdue and brought them to temporary national relevance, and I needed OSU to beat UM, and some reporter asked me about it, I'd probably say "Go Blue!"

Though I guess I didn't coach at Michigan, but rather went there, so I feel more ties to it probably. If I were the DC somewhere I wouldn't necessarily care if they won or lost. But Dantonio is part of the OSU coaching tree, so who knows. Many examples of Little Brotherhood that are more egregious.

Aero01

October 22nd, 2015 at 3:23 PM ^

I disagree.

If Michigan ever had a coach who was more interested in having a rival fail than in having his team succeed I would call for him to be fired immediately, and I'd like to think the Michigan faithful would overwhelmingly agree with me.  I can't think of a single thing that is more "little brother" than that.

trueblueintexas

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:12 PM ^

I posted this in a different thread, but I think this helps identify Jake's issues and you can see it in the difference of the throws Brian picked. 

After 7 games (which I think is a fair number to evaluate by) this is my couch potato summary of Jake. He is a see and fire passer. His strength is his intelligence, but he is limited in the types of throws he can make. He does not have the true cannon for an arm but he also is not adept at putting loft on his passes. This shows up in three areas:

1) Deep throws - we all know this issue. 

2) The second and third level throws which require getting it over an underneath defender but under a deep defender. He just doesn't throw these. This has been seen in the multiple roll-outs this year where there are three levels of targets, most often Jake goes to the underneath guy once the defender clears to rush him, meanwhile Butt and a WR are running deeper routes which some QB's would throw to, but Jake won't because there is a defender he has to get it over.

3) The screen pass which was batted down against MSU where Smith would have practically walked in untouched from 18 yards out. Had that pass simply been lofted over the line, it's a catch and run. Jake tries to fire it through at a short distance with traffic in-between and it gets batted down. 

Even on Jake's longer passes this year, he has basically thrown it on a line with no defender underneath. Fish, Harbaugh & Drevno can only scheme so much to get completely open lanes to throw in. At some point as a QB you are going to have to fit it in a zone. That is not Jake's strength.  Let's hope the coaching staff can keep finding those lanes for Jake.

His Dudeness

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^

He is a B- college quaterback. His game has deficiencies. I think it is odd that people think he should be able to make all the throws. If he could, he would be starting at Iowa this year and they would be in the top-10 in the polls. He's not, they're not, we aren't going to be with him as QB. That's not even a knock on the kid. He is what he is. That's fine. He is a stop gap. That was the plan from the get go. Not really a shocker. We are building something here. It'll happen.  

umchicago

October 22nd, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^

a D- QB ought to be able to throw a deep ball with enough air under it to give his receiver a chance.  he doesn't, unless it's 15 yards short like on that Darboh "fair catch".

i remember todd collins and john navarre having similar issues early in their careers but jake is a 5th year senior.

Grbac was the best I've seen at UM at throwing the deep ball.  He put a lot of air under the ball and led the receiver, and Desmond was great at adjusting to the ball; Chesson is not.

His Dudeness

October 22nd, 2015 at 2:23 PM ^

I disagree with your assumption that a poor college QB "should be able to throw" one of the toughest passes in the game (the deep ball) well.

I understand that after the pedigree we have had at Michigan at the QB position we assume our QBs should be great, but we just arent there yet. We will get there again. It's year one. These things take time. Again, not a knock on Rudock. He is doing what he was brought here to do.

umchicago

October 22nd, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^

i don't expect him to throw it "well".  a poor QB still throws catchable deep balls occasionally.  even denard hit deep passes and he wasn't a good passer.  but denard usually gave his receivers a chance.  that's how guys like gallon and hemingway caught many "jump balls".

all this said, i think jake is managing games quite well since week 1.  he is giving us a chance to win each week.  he is our trent dilfer.

Indiana Blue

October 22nd, 2015 at 8:31 PM ^

IMO - Jake's deep balls do NOT have enough loft, which makes them hard for our receivers to to accurately judge the depth of the throw.  Compare Cook's throws last Saturday.  His throws are very high, which gives the receivers a chance to adjust.  The defender is usually NOT looking directly for the ball - but reacting to the receiver's eyes and hands/arms.  Really good receivers are able to judge a ball in flight and adjust their speed and direction to make the catch.

To me this is similar to a line drive in baseball vs a "normal" fly ball.  Line drives are ALWAYS much tougher to adjust to than a fly ball.  A lower pass in football is either "perfect" or incomplete ... and we've yet to see perfect.

Go Blue!

JClay

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:18 PM ^

Re: the punt and what crazy thing we should have done differently --

I have thought about this a lot in the past, for years before this game ever occurred, and I don't know why this isn't part of more coaches' game theory: have a lineman intentionally false start. After 3rd down, do not run the clock down to :10 and take a time out. Simply line up to punt with :20 left and the playclock rolling and with like :15 left on the game clock and :05 left on the playclock, the left guard should false start intentionally. Five yard penalty, play clock is reset, and per the rulebook since the game clock was running when the penalty was called, it must start on the ready for to play signal. I have seen this called and the game runs out without the 4th down ever being snapped.

The only way it does not work is if the referee rules the team INTENTIONALLY false-started, a call I have never seen in which case he could freeze the clock. (On the other hand, I have seen teams false-start ~10 times in the final two minutes of games and basically buy an extra :40 play clock to burn.) If the only risk is snapping 4th down with ~13 seconds instead of ~10, why aren't coaches sending players out to false start in sub 2:00 scenarios when the other team is out of TOs and an extra down will run us to the end of the game? 

It's horrible sportsmanship, but if its in the rule book. . . 

Alton

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^

No referee would re-start the clock in that situation.  The game clock would be stopped at the point of the false start and would not start until the snap.  Teams are not allowed to run out the clock by breaking the rules.

 

AC1997

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^

I agree that it shouldn't work like you said, but I'm not convinced they would call it that way.  There were two plays in the last 3 years or so where the refs did something with the clock at the end of the game that they shouldn't have.  Given how awful this officiating crew was, it is impossible to know how they would handle it.  

On a related "take advantage of the rules" idea, my buddy couldn't figure out how the Lions allowed the Bears to march down the field last week.  He said he would have told his DBs to immediately tackle the WR after the snap.  They could keep taking 10-yard holding penalties and eat the clock to nothing instead of giving up 25-35 yard passes or pass interference penalties.  

 

Alton

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:47 PM ^

You can always go to the "these refs are so bad they might make the wrong call."  That's impossible to argue with, of course.

But I have watched a lot of football in my life and I have never seen a team in the lead by less than 9 points manage to not snap the ball on fourth down by committing a penalty.  If you can find one case of that, I would be surprised.  Why do you think coaches don't do that?  Because the referees always apply rule 4-4-3 ("Unfair Game Clock Tactics") in that situation.

Trust me, those "take advantage of the rules" situations that fans come up with mostly don't work.  The example you give puts the Bears (eventually) close enough to score easily and the clock never runs out because a half can't end on an accepted penalty...and Detroit would also have pretty quickly started getting 15-yard penalties for Unsportsmanlike Conduct (not to mention ejections and fines) for intentionally and repeatedly violating the rules.

 

Alton

October 22nd, 2015 at 1:51 PM ^

Rule 4-4-3:

"The referee shall order the game clock or play clock started or stopped whenever either team conserves or consumes playing time by tactics obviously unfair.  This includes starting the game clock on the snap if the foul is by the team ahead in the score."

Referees are absolutely instructed that if it is a "run out the clock" situation, this should be enforced on any foul by the team ahead in the game.  I can't imagine a referee letting a team save a snap by false starting.  I don't think I have ever seen it in a game that wasn't already decided.