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Mailbag: Height As Destiny, Woodson v Floyd, OSU v M "Bronies"

By Brian — August 1st, 2012 at 12:21 PM — 80 comments
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Hey Brian,

Sometimes I make my girlfriend read me MGoblog articles while I'm doing something else.  That way, she learns a little more about football, and I get to multitask.

Today when she was reading to me the Hello: Ross Douglas post, she came up with a pretty good question. She wanted to know: does Douglas project to nickle-corner, vs. boundary or field-corner only because of his size?  Her rationale was that with gurus praising his technique and reliability, but not labeling him a star because of his lack of big play risk-taking, wouldn't it serve better to put a CB who is more of a gunslinger risk-taker in the nickel role where he has safety help at all times, and line Douglas up outside at either field or boundary corner?

Don't worry, I know I have a keeper on my hands if she was able to come up with a question like that. :)

Thanks,
Alex

Size is a suggestive but not determining factor. When we do these things we're peering at the roster and seeing where player X fits in and trying to figure out how the coaches see their players, but often the coaches are surprised when the kid shows up and they figure out what they actually have. If Douglas is the best guy to play on the outside, he'll play on the outside.

With bigger and more touted corners in the same class it would be an upset if he's the guy tasked with running down the Michael Floyds of the world. Insert mental image of Boubacar Cissoko trying to do that here. Sometimes this happens: Desmond Morgan isn't the ideal size for WLB, Craig Roh is probably going to be a little light for SDE, etc. In an ideal world it seems like Michigan wants six-foot-plus guys on the outside.

That's easier said than done. Michigan is swinging for the fences with Conley and Stribling, hoping they can be 6'2" cover corners the NFL has a riot about. If that doesn't work out, Lewis and Douglas are less risky prospects with lower upside.

In re: wanting more of a gambler underneath with the solid and unspectacular guys outside: I don't think defensive coaches think like that. They give you an assignment and they want you to execute it, and not executing it is always very bad. If player X comes to college doing this thing a coach doesn't want, the coach will try to stop it. In Douglas's case that may be taking advantage of his athleticism and being more aggressive. In hypothetical gambler's case that would be not giving up big plays. Whether a corner is on the inside or outside, I bet they prefer the former.

Hey guys,

I'm watching the a rerun of Under the Lights game on ESPN and watching some highlights of the 97 defense on my computer…

…and I can't stop thinking about what would happen in a matchup between Floyd and Woodson. Woodson has the speed and size to keep up with Floyd but then again Floyd looks so much bigger and stronger than CW. I know it's a huge hypothetical but what do you think would happen there?

And what size should we be looking for at corner to stop big receivers like Floyd in the future?

Also, I notice Mattison has a tendency to slant the DL pretty often in the 97 highlights and honestly, it's working. Is this the style of slants Mattison we should expect to see this season?

Thanks for the time and Go Blue!
- AJ, UM 2014

Woodson took on a huge, elite outside receiver in 1997: David Boston. He is 6'2" and went 8th overall in the next NFL draft. Floyd is 6'3" and went 13th overall. Boston had a body-building/roid freakout at the next level, but in college he was at Floyd's level. What happened in the 1997 game between the two was one Woodson slip and fall leading to an OSU touchdown and nothing else. Michigan won with 189 yards of offense.

Woodson's gone on to prove himself an NFL hall of famer (7 times all pro). Let's not forget how ridiculously good he was and is. Woodson probably would have fared a little worse than he did in 1997 since the personnel surrounding him wouldn't have been as good, but you can pick a college receiver in the past 20 years and I'm taking Woodson and the points.

In re: cornerback size, see above. Woodson is listed at 6'1", and Michigan is hoping to put out a steady stream of 6-foot-ish cover corners. Again, easier said than done.

In re: DL slants. Yeah, one of the advantages of the under is that you can have the line go one way, drop the WDE into coverage, and send the SLB. By doing this you've flipped your defense at the snap, and this is often confusing to opposing OL. I don't think it'll be much of a problem for Bama and its veteran, All-American-laden line; others may have a bear of a time trying to figure out exactly who they're supposed to block on any given play.

The upside of having a couple of undersized guys at the five and three is that Michigan will be much better able to play games that shoot guys into the backfield unblocked. The downside is when that doesn't work and someone gets manhandled one-on-one. The linebackers are going to have to take on a lot of blocks this year.

If only.

I spotted this graffiti on the back of a stop sign near my office in Los Angeles. Could Taco Pants be considering a transfer to USC?

tacopantz

cheers,

Zach

A "these are my readers" moment.

A little something I made for you guys

UkocE[1]

Made it for my dad, who lurks on your blog. Thought I would share. You can use it if you like. There are definitely bronies reading the blog.

Cheers,

-Anonymous Brony

I have no idea.

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:31 PM | I hope Alex knows that (Score:5 Normal)
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I hope Alex knows that everyone here now hates him.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:14 PM | Alex Post (Score:5 Normal)
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I'll make sure not to post anything remotely intelligent, or insightful about football, a sport that is soooo complicated.

That being said, he blew it to even suggest there was a thought about mult-tasking!

"There are no excuses..."
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August 1st, 2012 at 12:34 PM | I was going to say we need a (Score:4 Normal)
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I was going to say we need a banner contest, but I guess the brony uofm vs ohio will do.



/s

Spartan's Alphabet: ADEFGHIJKLMNOPQRTUVWXYZ.
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August 1st, 2012 at 9:02 PM | WTF is up with bronies?  Is (Score:2)
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WTF is up with bronies?  Is this like being "On the Down Low" but for white guys?

I'm too old to understand this.

 

Jon Runyan plugged my toilet.

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August 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 AM | i'm pretty sure (Score:1)
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that the brony community is 95% 4chan trolls and 5% pedophiles. just saying.

RIP my avatar, June 14, 1998 - October 26, 2012.

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:37 PM | Alex sounds like a raging (Score:5 Normal)
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Alex sounds like a raging dickhead.

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:58 PM | Actually he sounds like a total sweetheart (Score:5 Funny)
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It must've taken some real dedication to teach himself sign language so his "girlfriend" could finally talk to him.

The world looks better through maize mirror tint. 

Still waiting on backup.

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:39 PM | mattison wasn't the dc in 97, (Score:5 Normal)
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mattison wasn't the dc in 97, herrmann was

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:45 PM | Yep. In retrospect, though, (Score:2 Normal)
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Yep. In retrospect, though, Mattison coached all of the players on that '97 defense, and it shows. Compare their tackling ability and individual performance with equivalent talent in the '00 decade. 

Servant. Pastor. Husband. Michigan fan in Duluth. 

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:43 PM | Woodson basically eliminated (Score:4 Normal)
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Woodson basically eliminated one side of the field for the entire year in '97. Northwestern didn't throw in his direction the entire game, until it was late and they were desperate. Woodson promptly intercepted the pass.

Big receivers often succeed because they have superior ball-in-air adjustment skills and pay less for mistakes because of their height. Note that Braylon Edwards destroyed MSU in '04 because he was much better adjusting to the ball than his defenders. When a rare true lock-down corner plays against such a receiver, his positioning cuts off that advantage. The only real advantage the tall receiver has in that scenario is that they can get the ball a bit higher, but throwing jump balls against lock-down corners is not a sustainable strategy. 

To see how this works now watch film of Darrell Revis. Like Woodson, he closes all of the "windows" that QBs want to throw to. 

Servant. Pastor. Husband. Michigan fan in Duluth. 

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:46 PM | Regarding Floyd and (Score:5 Normal)
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Regarding Floyd and Woodson:

The Packers play the Cardinals on November 4th at Lambeau. You might get your answer then.

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August 1st, 2012 at 10:40 PM | Word so far out of camp is (Score:2)
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Word so far out of camp is that Chuck is moving to safety full time. In actuality, Charles hasn't played corner regularly in the three years that Capers has been the DC. He's been what many would describe as a rover,moving all over the field to disguise coverages and blitzes.

Formerly known as PahokeePahokee

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:48 PM | Alex, (Score:2 Normal)
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with that kind of abuse I doubt she'll keep you.

let's assume you were joking.

...just one man's opinion.

 

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:50 PM | I generally have my wife (Score:5 Normal)
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I generally have my wife conduct menial tasks for me, as they open up time for me to do my important things - but it's good, because maybe she'll learn something, you know?

Of course, I assume the letter is lie.

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:58 PM | For some reason, this is how (Score:5 Normal)
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For some reason, this is how I envision the average day in Alex's household

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:40 PM | God, I was born 50 years too late (Score:5 Normal)
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For two reasons - first of all, bitch better buy Chase & Sanborn, obviously.  Though what really makes me pine is thinking of how fast the left lane must have moved.

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:03 PM | Agreed (Score:5 Normal)
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And by saying more than once that it "was her idea" to pose the question, he has an easy out if someone says, "Well, that's a DUMB question..." and he can claim it was all her.  BUT, if Brian replies with, "Hmmm, you pose an interesting question..." he could always respond with, "Well you know, I taught her everything she knows." 

Its a no-lose situation for him

The Team, The Team, The Team

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:51 PM | Somewhere, (Score:5 Normal)
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Somewhere, LSAClassof2000 is cackling with glee.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:53 PM | I'm confused (or his letter is TMI). (Score:5 Normal)
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So, is Alex's girlfriend saying she believes size doesn't matter?

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:00 PM | I think Brian said it best: (Score:5 Normal)
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I think Brian said it best: "Size is a suggestive but not determining factor."

"And when we play as a team, when the old season is over, you and I know, it's gonna be Michigan again, Michigan."

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:02 PM | +1,000,000 (Score:2 Normal)
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+1,000,000

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August 1st, 2012 at 12:56 PM |   Sometimes I make my (Score:5 Normal)
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Sometimes I make my girlfriend read me MGoblog articles while I'm doing something else. That way, she learns a little more about football, and I get to multitask.

+

There are definitely bronies reading the blog.

+

= Totally new outlook on the composition of the MGoCommunity.

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:06 PM | Dorks. Is this ComicCon or (Score:5 Normal)
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Dorks. Is this ComicCon or Michigan Football?

hehe

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:27 PM | Sometimes I think of myself (Score:5 Normal)
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Sometimes I think of myself as a bit of a nerd. Then I read MGoBlog and I see what real nerdery is like, and the feeling goes away.

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:28 PM | I troll IP law blogs, so (Score:5 Normal)
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I troll IP law blogs, so coming to MGoBlog is James Dean and Val Kilmer-circa Heat when it comes to coolness.

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August 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 AM | I'm sorry (Score:2)
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I know you're trying to make yourself sound like a nerd, but I'm gonna be honest, I'm intrigued.

"The straightest line from A to B is straight: From A to B"

"When you have Denard Robinson, you can have everything"

~George Walden

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:19 PM | Yes, the first quote (Score:1 Redundant)
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Definitely seemed kinky to me.

The second...well, there's at least one Brony in the picture. Not sure if he's the father.

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:04 PM | Hey Brian, Sometimes I make (Score:5 Normal)
chunkums
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Hey Brian,
Sometimes I make my [android voice app] read me MGoblog articles [in a woman's voice] while I'm doing something else [such as weeping about being a fat and smelly virgin with a neck beard]. That way,[I can pretend I have a girlfriend].

Today when she [I call my phone a she, lol] was reading to me the Hello: Ross Douglas post, she came up with a pretty good question. She wanted to know: does Douglas project to nickle-corner, vs. boundary or field-corner only because of his size? Her rationale was that with gurus praising his technique and reliability, but not labeling him a star because of his lack of big play risk-taking, wouldn't it serve better to put a CB who is more of a gunslinger risk-taker in the nickel role where he has safety help at all times, and line Douglas up outside at either field or boundary corner?

Don't worry, I know I have a keeper [in my pocket] if she was able to come up with a question like that. :)
Thanks,
Alex

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:40 PM | I need to chew faster.  i (Score:4 Normal)
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I need to chew faster.  i just read that and spit food all over my keyboard.......

+1,000,000,000,000

 

 

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:31 PM | Neck beards are sexy. (Score:3 Normal)
mgowin
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Neck beards are sexy.

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August 1st, 2012 at 7:27 PM | Fire-and-brimstone for Alex (Score:2)
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Fire-and-brimstone for Alex it is. He was asking for it.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:07 PM | ANY receiver? (Score:2 Normal)
gte896u
Joined: 11/06/2008
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no man ive ever seen could cover calvin johnson 1 on 1

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:19 PM | Agreed, and no disrespect to (Score:3 Normal)
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Agreed, and no disrespect to Woodson, I just think that when you have a WR and a CB of equal quality, the WR wins, based on the nature of the game. Woodson shut down Boston because whereas Boston was a very good WR, Woodson was a once in a generation CB. David Boston was more of a Leon Hall or Marlin Jackson level WR, not Woodson level. Fact is, there just aren't many Woodson level WRs. CJ would qualify, though.

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:55 PM | respectfully, I have to disagree (Score:3 Normal)
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if we are talking about recievers "in college" then you have to consider CJ with what he had at QB at Georgia Tech. They had CJ and still ran the option. No option QB ever could beat Charles Woodson. They'd be afraid to throw the ball on his side of the field.

In my lifetime, its Mr. Woodson and Deion Sanders, in some order. Champ Bailey is up there, but I hope as time goes by those who called him the best CB in the NFL since 1998 realize how mistaken they are.

Oh, and this-

 

ALWAYS remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules

 

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August 1st, 2012 at 6:00 PM | yeah...you are dead wrong (Score:0 Overrated)
gte896u
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calvin played 04-06 at GT. PJ and the 3-O showed up in 2008. they were running a basic pro style offense before that.

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August 1st, 2012 at 6:02 PM | oh and this - (Score:0 Offtopic)
gte896u
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRqyjzyBRg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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August 1st, 2012 at 7:12 PM | oops, guess I was wrong (Score:3 Normal)
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but it doesn't matter anyhow. Water covers 70% of the Earth, Charles Woodson covers the rest (including Calvin Johnson)

ALWAYS remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules

 

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:21 PM | You must be young. (Score:4 Normal)
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You must be young.

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:35 PM | I can't think of a (Score:2)
bronxblue
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I can't think of a covercorner with the size, speed, and technique to really "shut down" Johnson without help.  Deion was too small and would have trouble disrupting Johnson off the line, Lott is my height and was a thumper-sort in his day but is relatively average by today's standards, Green was all speed but could get pushed around, and Rod Woodson played on such good defenses that it's difficult to divorce his own greatness from some of those Pittsburgh and Ravens teams. 

I mean, Jerry Rice was never really shut down, and Marvin Harrison and Randy Moss were only shut down by age and temperment.  Heck, even T.O. was pretty unstoppable a couple of years ago.  Johnson is at least as gifted as all but Rice, and seems to be coming into his own.  So yeah, as much as I love Charles, I have a hard time there is a corner in history who could shut down Johnson one-on-one.

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:54 PM | I guess a lot would have to do with which era rules (Score:2)
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you're playing under. It's hard to stop any receiver nowadays because you basically can't do anything to them till they touch the ball. It's almost closer to arena football than what most of those defenders played under. Consistently you're going to have a hard time stopping any great player. But I'm not exactly ready to make Calvin Johnson the best receiver of all time yet either.

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August 1st, 2012 at 9:57 PM | This I agree with.  In the (Score:2 Normal)
bronxblue
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This I agree with.  In the current era, guys like Brett Periman and Carl Pickens would be equally hard to stop.  And I would never designate Johnson as the greatest WR in history - that will always be Rice to me, and I'm not sure Johnson will ever be better than Randy Moss, who is probably the second/third best in this era depending on how you feel about T.O.  And years ago, he'd have been horsecollared a couple of times and that would be it.  But with the current rules and his numbers, I just don't know who could stop him one-on-one.  I mean, this guy destroyed some pretty decent corners in college with freaking Reggie Ball duck-bombing him passes.

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August 1st, 2012 at 6:01 PM | im 30 actually (Score:0 Redundant)
gte896u
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and i've seen both calvin and chuck play in person at pro and college levels.

just not happening

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:09 PM | I just came here to say that (Score:5 Normal)
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I just came here to say that bronies are fucking weird. That is all.

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:20 PM | I liked MLP before (Score:5 Normal)
CleverMichiganR...
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I liked MLP before "Friendship is Magic!"

/pony hipster cred

The world looks better through maize mirror tint. 

Still waiting on backup.

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August 1st, 2012 at 1:43 PM | Too far (Score:5 Normal)
Hobbes217
Joined: 01/05/2012
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You just crossed a line.

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August 1st, 2012 at 2:46 PM | Related question.....What the (Score:2 Normal)
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Related question.....What the fuck is a bronie?  I hope I'm not the only one wondering this...

"They will meet a dastardly fate here for that! There isn't a Michigan Man who wouldn't like go out and scalp those Buckeyes right now."

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:14 PM | You're definitely not the only one (Score:5 Normal)
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I was thinking the same thing, "Am I only one here who has no idea what the hell a brony is?"

And then I realized that my life is probably all the better for not knowing.

Third generation Michigan alum

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:47 PM | Sadly, I believe that they are guys that (Score:3 Normal)
wolverine1987
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get sexually aroused by cartoon my little pony characters.

/not kidding

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

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August 1st, 2012 at 3:52 PM | Hmmmm, I now am definitely (Score:3 Normal)
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Hmmmm, I now am definitely positive that my life was much better off without knowing that.

Third generation Michigan alum

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August 1st, 2012 at 4:06 PM | I had no idea what it was - (Score:3 Normal)
ND Sux
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and now that I know, I'm DAMNED PROUD that I had no idea. 

"I promise you we would have walked to the University of Michigan."  - Brady Hoke

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