Mailbag: Funk As Gibson, Opt-In Student Tickets, Bag Man Rehash Comment Count

Brian

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YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME

Brian:

You asked today “how Borges is Nuss?”   I think equally appropriate is “how Gibson is Funk?”  It seems to me that their respective backgrounds, personal ties to the HC and seeming invulnerability in the face of terrible performances on the field are quite similar.  And, my fear is that loyalty to Funk – like RR to Gibson before him – will ultimately lead the HC’s demise.

Do you agree?

Don

I am about to conjure forth a firestorm of controversy and despair. Be warned.

Gibson's miserableness is likely overstated. Back when everyone was like "this secondary is the worst secondary in the world" I went back and looked at WVU's passing D performances under Rodriguez and found that they were decent. Tony Gibson coached Ryan Mundy well enough to get him drafted by the NFL—something that did not seem in the cards when he was at Michigan. Tony Gibson is… possibly not a complete twit.

/rain of blood

/skies turn black

/rabbit graveyard sees rabbit corpses assemble itself into evil zombie rabbit voltron

He is obviously not great, as secondaries he has been around since tend to be disaster zones. But the things that made him look like a twit at Michigan are some of the same things afflicting Funk: his coordinator doesn't know what he's doing week to week and therefore his players don't know what they're doing, everyone is confused and miserable.

Then someone shoots the glass in your underwater research lab. When the structure is so broken there's only so much you can tell about which part of the rubble was marginally less sound than other parts of the rubble.

You are right that we can take a look at heuristics in an attempt to find out if there are reasons other than perceived competence that Funk is around. Funk does not appear to meet Good Ol' Boys standards. Whereas Gibson came up with Rodriguez all the way from Glenville State, Funk has bounced from coaching staff to coaching staff on his way up the ranks. Hoke hired him from Colorado State just before his last year at Ball State, whereupon the Cardinals rushed for nearly five yards a carry. San Diego State went from 115th(!) in yards per carry to 28th in the two years Funk was there. And he did rather well to start at Michigan before the full weight of Rodriguez's recruiting came to bear.

Funk's track record with Hoke is pretty good, and he is not a guy who has been around forever-forever. I'm not sure we're going to get much clarity about whether he's a good coach this year given the issues with personnel, but it's put up or shut up time no matter what.

ftball9[1]

Brian,

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on using an opt-in system for student tickets. In my opinion, this would solve several problems. First, it would immediately reduce the number of empty seats by identifying non-attending students and allowing the University to resell their tickets. Second, it would condense the student section which--in the opinion of a recent alum (2006-2013)--would improve the stadium experience for students and, in turn, encourage more students to show up.

Under the system I envision, you would pay a fixed amount (approximating the price of season tickets) which gives you the right to opt-in to each individual home game for no additional fee. During the week leading up to each game you have the ability to "claim" your ticket online, up until some cut-off period. For example, maybe you have until 12:00am the night before the game.

If you don't claim the ticket by then, you cannot attend (I have mixed feelings about whether you should get some sort of small refund. maybe $5). Any unclaimed tickets would then be assigned the upper-most seats in the student section and  then be resold by the university the morning of the game. The students would have to be alerted, somehow, as to which rows of the student section have been resold and are no longer part of the general admission section.

There would also have to be some penalty for students who claim their ticket but are no-shows. For instance, if on two separate occasions you claim your ticket and don't show up, you lose your right to claim tickets for the rest of the season. Obviously the University would have to start tracking student attendence (maybe by putting the tickets on the MCards like in bball), but I dont imagine that would be difficult.

-FingerMustache

This is what Michigan did for basketball this year except presumably Michigan will not be overbooking the student section by 50%.

I'm opposed. A claim system does allow the university to sell seats that would otherwise be empty; it's a pain for people, though, and as part of my withdrawal from the field of the War On Students I'm in favor of making the process of going to games as easy as possible for everyone but especially the fickle next generation.

The question then becomes: how do you reward loyalty without annoying overhead? Michigan's revised student section policy is a major step forward:

By 2015, seat reservations will be based entirely on loyalty. Attendance points will be accumulated the following ways: each game attended is three points and arriving 30 minutes prior to kickoff earns an additional three points per game, for a total of six points per game.

Groups of up to 100 students can reserve seats together.

Groups get the average priority of everyone in them. That's simple and effective; it does not put any onus on the students except to show up early, and it was obviously concocted by the student government because I mean seriously the guys in suits have been trying to fix it and came up with HAIL and the world's worst GA policy. (I hope that my repeated rants on the subject had some influence there, but probably not.)

It's a step forward. Others can be taken. The new priority system does not solve one of the main reasons the student section ends up  looking empty: it is extremely difficult to flip tickets. The university decided it wanted full price for a student ticket not used by a student way back in the day and put a cumbersome validation process in place; if that was ditched most of those tickets not being used would get sold and deployed.

This brings back the unpleasant specter of the dudes I knew in college who bought tickets just to put them on eBay. I don't think that's going to be nearly the problem it was when student tickets cost $295 for the privilege of watching Penn State and nobody else. If Michigan's not capturing full value there they have to be close. Michigan should let tickets be sold normally while still scanning M-Cards for priority, and if you don't go to at least three games you no longer get to buy tickets.

Ugh. Capturing full value. I'm going to go take a shower now.

Brian,

What's your solution to the Bag Man?

I put up a post on this on Bag Man Day that was immediately stepped on by the Horford transfer; I wanted to expound on some questions I got in the mailbag and picked this guy's email from about a half dozen.

Part of college football's draw is amateurism; kids playing for education not money. Obviously this is all smoke and mirrors anymore, but it's hard to let go of that aspect of it (if for nothing other than nostalgia's sake). I have a passing interest in the NFL as compared to college football. There's just a sense of cynicism when everything is commercialized and athletes are getting paid big money to play a kid's game while the "rest of us" slave at work for crumbs. Here are some questions you may be able to give your opinion on assuming some sort of compensation is awarded to student athletes.

Shouldn't we just make college football a D-League or create one for those who want to skip college?

Is the draw amateurism or the fact that these guys are students like the other students? Amateurism proponents are quick to mention the Insane Dollar Value of their scholarship. Some even go so far as to include all the world-class training and such in their effort to portray the college athlete as already well-compensated. If they're successful in their arguments, don't they just defeat themselves? They're already being compensated. Now we're just discussing the price.

Might as well go all in and not try to walk some line between amateurism and professionalism right?

Walking a fine line is dumb but neither should we upset the entire apple cart if we can at all help it. College has a lot of good effects for players even if they're not getting engineering degrees, and with most of them headed for brief pro careers at best the current model does a lot of good for a lot of people. We've done a half-dozen events  with Carr-era players, and man they make you glad that college football is the way it is instead of being minor league baseball or the CHL.

Why stop at a fixed stipend? Should there be some kind of salary cap? If there is a stipend or other form of compensation, won't there still be bag men to get top recruits extra money to attend certain universities?

A stipend is only one way to approach it. The Olympic model is another. If the NCAA was to say "we won't pay you, but we don't mind if you get paid for your likeness" that sidesteps Title IX issues and mitigates bag-man issues. The difference between ten grand and zero dollars is a lot more compelling than 40 grand and 50 grand. While it'll still have some influence, other factors actually become more prominent.

I mean isn't this really just bidding wars for free agents that we see in pro sports?

Even if this is a negative, and I'm not sure it is, it is already happening.

Should all the athletes get the same wage and who decides the pay scale? Wouldn't there then be problems with different "salaries?"

We seem to have figured this out for everyone else in America. I don't understand why this is a particular issue for athletes.

Do "student athletes" also get a scholarship?

Yes. I mean, it's a perk that costs the university almost nothing and has great symbolic value.

Is competitive balance a casualty? Poorer and smaller schools certainly won't be able to afford top recruits, and maybe not even the stipend, so do we just have the same handful of teams who can  actually afford to be competitive and get national exposure, eliminate the "Cinderellas" and certain universities' football programs altogether?

Unless you can find a kid who chose the MAC over the Big Ten right now this is just the status quo.

I guess I just don't see a fix to an already broken system. There's a ton of money to be made and everybody wants a cut. Paying the athletes, which I'm not totally against and there are legitimate arguments for, isn't going to solve the problem entirely because the NCAA doesn't have any teeth to enforce their rules. Athletes will get a stipend but then there will still be bag men steering athletes to certain schools. In essence, they'll be getting paid twice.

-Anthony

There isn't a fix, other than dropping the Victorian-era approach to amateurism. Probably the most ludicrous regulation of all is that athletes can't sign with agents and maintain their eligibility. An agent! Someone who's job is to be an advocate and aid for your career, and you can't even say "you will be my agent" even without getting money and the NCAA yanks your eligibility. It's ridiculous.

Simply, the NCAA needs to look at the rules and decide which of them are even vaguely enforceable, then dump the rest.

Comments

simonsays

April 17th, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^

Think they'll actually scan MCards at the gate to see which students are there early? If so, will my 7+ years-expired MCard no longer get me in without validation? Maybe they'll just use the scanned ticket data? 

French West Indian

April 17th, 2014 at 7:06 PM ^

See this is the problem, they're simply making it more of a pain-in-the-ass to go.  When I was a student you bought tickets (cheap too, like $5/game) and then you go if you want or maybe swap them with friends.  I suppose a few kids sold them off but given the "unofficial" general admission policy back in those days, most outsiders probably didn't come back to another game.

French West Indian

April 17th, 2014 at 7:06 PM ^

See this is the problem, they're simply making it more of a pain-in-the-ass to go.  When I was a student you bought tickets (cheap too, like $5/game) and then you go if you want or maybe swap them with friends.  I suppose a few kids sold them off but given the "unofficial" general admission policy back in those days, most outsiders probably didn't come back to another game.

GoBlueNorthside

April 17th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

For student basketball tickets it used to be that your seating priority for the MSU game was dependant on how many games your tickets were scanned. This is slightly different than having your M-Card scanned. So if I couldn't make it to a game, I gave my ticket to someone I was absolutely sure was going to the game. The same could be done for the football tickets - it doesn't need to be an M-Card scan. That said, due to the sheer number of empty seats, many of those are likely caused by repeat offenders not particularly worried about their seating priority.

funkywolve

April 17th, 2014 at 2:25 PM ^

"College has a lot of good effects for players even if they're not getting engineering degrees, and with most of them headed for brief pro careers at best the current model does a lot of good for a lot of people."

Are you saying that most of the division 1 athletes who play sports (say just basketball and football) go on to have some type of pro career in that respective sport?

I'm guessing that very, very few of the players at the 119 division 1 football schools go on to have any type of pro career in the NFL, CFL, etc.

CriticalFan

April 17th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^

What was most emphatic in the original was the part where he said "at best", since the sentence primarily was about the non pros do at least get a degree out of NcaaFb the way it is now.

"Most" is not backed up by the facts, as you say, and probably shouldn't be there, but shouldn't obscure the rest of it.

klctlc

April 17th, 2014 at 2:25 PM ^

The only way I see any form of fairness being implemented is a new super conference, either part of the NCAA or something new.

  • Take the top 6 conferences with major independents and give them new rules.
  • Pay the players some amount of money monthly, $1,000 - $5,000 and only for mens bball and football. 
  • National exam taken at multiple locations throughout US, staffed with new enforcement team. The exam should see who is academically qualified to attend college.  Do not make it punitive, if a kid has a really low score, he gets in and gets a scholarship, he just can't play until he achieves a minimum score, even if takes  2 or 3 years ( I know this is out there, but we have to be honest about where most of these kids come from and they deserve a chance)
  • Give them 10 years from their start date to get their degree, give them access to the same tutors the current student athletes  get and help them with additional costs.
  • Re-write the rules to get rid of the stupid unenforceable ones.  Texting, coachable hours, etc.
  • Hire a true enforcement division, staff it, fund it and if possible give it subpoena powers.  Something, I am not a lawyer, but they can give it a budget 10 tiimes current budget and staff the shit out of it.

 

There are more ideas, but these are the major ones. 

I am sure M has boosters who do bad things, I am sure not all M football and basketball players attend every class, but no way in hell is it as bad as the SEC and ACC. The NC situation is criminal, if you take a kid reading at the fifth grade level, help that kid eventually get through high school.

I am sick of oversigning, I am sick of the star recruits who go to Alabama over M because of engineering!! and I am sick of Kentucky bball.  Plus the enforcement by the NCAA is bullshit, I hate USC as much as the next guy but they got creamed for Reggie Bush and Miami and OSU got very little.

 

 

Mr Miggle

April 17th, 2014 at 8:02 PM ^

Title IX may be a stumbling block for only paying football and MBB athletes. There is also a basic fairness question. What about other sports that turn a profit, like hockey at Wisconsin? Of all the NCAA regulations, I would think the limit on practice time is the most important for protecting the athletes.

klctlc

April 18th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^

Sorry for late response.  The WI hockey is valid ,but you have to draw the line somewhere. I imagine UCONN womens bball makes money too, but how do you pay them.  Leave it up the college if they want to pay, let them pay.  I agree that practice limits protect the players, but it is a joke. They are practicing all the time, just not with "coaches" in attendance.  Practically impossible to enforce as we say from the FREEP attack under RichRod.  M got screwed and we did nothing different than every other school.

maize-blue

April 17th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^

Could sometime in the future if student athletes end up catagorized as employees, could they then drop the academic portion completely and merely just be paid employees that play on a school sponsored athletic team?

Just curious if that could ever be a possibility. Alot would probably depend on the terms of the payment/compensation/etc.

gbdub

April 17th, 2014 at 5:10 PM ^

Props to Brian for (hopefully) killing the "Good Ol' Boy" theory for "why we still have Funk". Funk is a relatively recent addition to Hoke's crew, as was Borges, and Hoke has had plenty of turnover on the staff at his previous stops. So the idea that he'd overlook their flaws out of some misplaced loyalty was always odd, or at least unsupportable. For better or worse, Funk is on the staff because Hoke believes him to be better or at least as good as any available alternatives.