Mailbag: Coaching Turnover, A Ton Of Beilein Feelingsball Comment Count

Brian

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[Patrick Barron]

Brian,

Long-time reader, second time emailer. I sent you a fake inspirational poster featuring Tate Forcier when those were still things. You used it. Good times.

I have the following mailbag questions:

1. With the departure of Durkin, Baxter, Jackson, et. al, do you see the revolving door continuing for assistant coaches? I don't have a problem with it because HARBAUGH and it means they are poach worthy. What about Drevno? He seems unlikely to leave anytime soon. I guess my question is: how much of the offense is Harbaugh, and how much is Drevno/Fisch? Would there be a big change if one of the latter left? Butt's comments about not having to learn a new offense this year were nice to hear just for continuity's sake.

This offseason's turnover was a bit extreme. Maryland hiring Durkin after one year as a defensive coordinator actually in charge of his defense—at Florida he was under Will Muschamp—was unexpected. I figured we'd get a 3-5 year run from him before he was established enough to make the jump. Losing Baxter and Jackson is actually more of a worry for me. Baxter went back to California, which is understandable if you're sawft because you've spent your time in that climate. Jackson may have decided he's more of an NFL guy.

Harbaugh seemed to make a conscious decision to reduce staff turnover with his picks for replacements. College DC lifer Don Brown is past the point where he'd be a head coach candidate; Chris Partridge and Brian Smith are young guys moving up who will probably stick around a while before any potential bump to quasi-co-psuedo associate head coach and run defense coordinator. Michigan's defensive assistants should be set for a few years, with a Mattison retirement the next likely swap.

On the other side of the ball it's murkier. It's Harbaugh's offense, of that there is no doubt. Coordinators on the same side of the ball as a heavily involved guru head coach often take a significant amount of seasoning before they are targeted for a move up the ladder. (See: Pat Narduzzi.) Drevno had not been a full OC prior to the Michigan move and has been with Harbaugh for a long time; he doesn't seem like a threat to depart for a few years yet, and when and if he does it'll be because Michigan's offense is shredding opponents.

Meanwhile Fisch is set to negotiate an extension that should bump his salary up significantly after a buyout year when Michigan was more or less paying the Jaguars. He seemed to get on with the staff and clearly had OC-type input in the passing game…

…so I wouldn't expect him to leave for anything short of a full OC spot. That may very well happen—before he was cursed to work in the mines of Jacksonville he had a pretty good run at Miami—but I think he'll be around for a while yet.

The guy to watch for a departure is Tyrone Wheatley, who has ambitions to be a head coach. He has a powerful motivation to stick around for four more years; after that I would not be surprised to see him look for an OC spot no matter where it is.

2. What about Chesson for the #1 jersey? Has that been officially retired? If so, I don't remember hearing much about it. I can't remember a better candidate in recent years than him.

djfakeout

#1 is not retired and shouldn't be. Devin Funchess just wore it, remember? The fact that this guy didn't remember that and I wrote most of this response before remembering that an NFL player wore #1 two years ago is… Brady Hoke, man.

Anyway: no retiring more numbers please. #21 getting retired is kind of a bummer, man, and I can't imagine #1 or #2 goes by the wayside for practical (running out of numbers) and recruiting (here's Charles Woodson's number) reasons. But I don't expect Chesson to take it. He is in a pretty famous WR number (86) already and he doesn't seem like the type of guy to care much either way.

Beilein status, part 1

Hey Brian. I see you trying to walk the line of criticizing U-M basketball while not calling for Beilein's head. Here's the issue to me...

it's easy to compare Beilein to what came before and say look at his improvement. But the "fire Beilein" says "Well, that's not good enough." The better comparison isn't to what came before but to what would come after. What are the odds of replacing Beilein with someone who runs a clean program, fits culturally with the university, and achieves more success on the court? I put it at about 10%. That's not a chance worth taking for someone who may be marginally better. But the only thing that would satisfy these guys is if we were dominating the Big Ten. So then you need to consider the odds of getting the coach who runs a clean program, fits in culturally and consistently out-performs Izzo, Crean, et al. I put those odds under 1%.

So it's a shame that Beilein isn't a slightly better coach than he is, but Michigan's biggest obstacle is that our rivals' programs are just consistently too good.

-Anon

I mean, yeah. I think we're all pretty disappointed where the program is right now but that's largely an artifact of Beilein's insane level of success over the three years from 2012-14, which went

  • Big Ten Title
  • National Championship Game
  • Outright Big Ten Title & Elite Eight

Frankly I didn't expect that level of performance from Beilein when he was hired. I just wanted to make the tournament most of the time and Pittsnogle some higher seeds. Take that expectation and remove the team's star for consecutive years and this is what you get.

That said, the trend here, especially on defense, is alarming. It's not really about the level of the program, it's about the direction of the arrow. If Beilein's projected performance going forward is the average of his Michigan career minus his first year (which I think we can issue a mulligan for given the state of the roster) then yes, it will be very difficult for Michigan to match or exceed that. If it's the last two years, even considering Levert's injury, then the pool of candidates who can expect to match or do better expands considerably.

I don't think that's clear yet. I do think we're going to see an offseason shakeup and hopefully a defensive specialist brought in. I am still resigned to the fact that Beilein's peak is likely to have already passed and that we'll probably be gunning for a Sweet 16 or two before he retires, not a title.

[After THE JUMP: more Beilein feelingsball, PWO pickin', can the Big Ten replicate the Harbaugh model?]

Beilein status, part two

I have something to run by you. I think it's widely accepted that Tommy Amaker is a stand up guy and quite frankly was what this University needed to wash the program clean. But after some time it became evident that while he was perfect for that job he was not going to be the coach that could reach the next tier. Do you think we have reached that with Beilein?

He was what we needed to take the next step up to what you might call relevance and above average. But have we reached his ceiling, much like we reached Amaker's ceiling? They are both great men but sometimes a person can reach their potential. I believe the only way to reach the next level which, let's call it "Consistently a Championship Contender" we need to totally revamp our recruiting. We are simply never going to win with the recruits Beilein targets and lands. I know he was burned by a couple 5 stars, but so was everyone else that did not land those players and somehow top teams still manage to bring in other elite talent.

I guess my ultimate question is, Has John Beilein and his system reached it's pinnacle?

Probably. I don't think we're going to see another Beilein team at Michigan that has five NBA draft picks, four of them first-rounders, in one starting lineup. That was a confluence of scouting and development that was and remains unprecedented in the one-and-done era, and it seems like that was a one-time thing. Not because Beilein is worse than we thought but because that kind of syzygy is a rare thing, like the Pistons' latest NBA title. It happened and that team was great despite not having a superstar; it's not likely to happen again.

Michigan's recruiting isn't all that bad. Xavier Simpson is a top 50 point guard who was all but set to torment us at Wisconsin; Jon Teske is a true seven-footer who could still develop as college bigs tend to do. The big hole in Michigan's recruiting is the fact that they've got a top 30 player in Kam Chatman who is just now starting to find a role off the bench. It is not championship level recruiting unless the stars align perfectly, which they did. Now they're not.

Beilein status part 3

I'm sure this has been said, but I haven't seen it, so I'll say it:

Beilein hung three banners in three years from 2012 through 2014, and he came within a couple of plays of hanging two more during that period.  In the 30 years before Beilein landed here, we hung either two or four banners, depending on your perspective (two conference championship banners and either two or zero Final Four banners).  This year is very frustrating, and it has to be Beilein's worst coaching job since 2009-2010, but there's a limit to how much you complain about the guy who accomplishes that. 

The bigger concern is that the team looks like a bunch of followers in search of a leader, and it's hard to see anyone like Morris, Novak, Burke or Stauskas on next year's team either. 

I am more or less in the same spot as this gentleman. Beilein has obviously done enough to warrant further patience but I'm skeptical this group of players gets a ton better next year. MAAR is a bright spot but I wonder how much upside remains there since he's a bit older than sophomores usually are; meanwhile it's hard to see the post situation resolving itself in a positive manner unless Mo Wagner takes a huge leap.

I mean, they should get better with experience. That was the theory going into this year, especially on defense, and that did not come to pass. Hard to not interpret that as a flaw in the coaching. Maybe a staff shakeup fixes that; maybe we spin our wheels a bit longer. Only thing to do is wait and see.

Money and how to spend it

Brian et al,

I wrote a few years ago asking if you believed that the cash that the BTN would provide B1G schools would ultimately lead to parity with the SEC and other elite Power 5 schools.  At the time you said "eh, not so much", suggesting that B1G schools were willing to upgrade facilities but not their coaching.  Purdue and Illinois have proven this to be very true.

But now with news of Harbaugh's frequent flier status and plans to hold spring practice in Florida over spring break it's time to pose the same question a little differently.  Are Harbaugh and Michigan finally maximizing their utility of resources in a way that comes with having the stadium we have, and the (dare I say it) brand recognition we have?  If so, can other B1G schools do the same?

The B1G has long been resource-rich but feared acting like it, and I don't mean in a "bagmen" sense at all.  Harbaugh may be signaling to the nation that Michigan is a premier institution with unparalleled resources on the academic and athletic fronts, and is willing to use them in unconventional ways.  In fact he might be leading a redefinition of college football, away from the pseudo-NFL model the SEC employs to something as much cash behind it but far less sleaze.  Seriously.  And I think a handful of B1G schools (definitely not all) could do the same thing.

Any thoughts on this?
pete-rock

Let's just stipulate that OSU is excluded from this conversation since they've done well and every five years or so we're "surprised" by the fact that one of their star players has been driving a car with dealer plates for a year.

As for maximizing Michigan's resources, I literally cannot imagine what else Harbaugh could be doing to increase Michigan's recruiting profile and on-field fortunes. Harbaugh probably can't either, because then he would be doing the thing he thought up and Greg Sankey would be trying to gin up some reason to think of the children.

It has cost money. But Michigan has money. Michigan has scooped up support staff left and right; pretty soon their press box will look like Alabama's. They took a trip to Florida with the whole team. They flit about the country to satellite camps. All of that costs dollars; all of it is an attempt to convert those dollars into wins. Unfortunately the exchange rate there is much worse than "five star recruit here is some money", but I think it's clear that Michigan is pushing every angle they can find without falling afoul of NCAA rules.

With limited exceptions I do not think the Harbaugh model can extend to other Big Ten schools. With the possible exception of Penn State, none of them have the national cachet to make forays into California or Florida or the deep South, go head to head with local schools, and come out on top.

MSU has been the most successful Big Ten school outside of the Big Three for a while now and their latest class features zero(!) recruits from outside the Big Ten footprint. Their 2015 class was a lot more geographically diverse but featured just one composite four-star outside of the footprint. MSU can get local four stars these days but going and getting a Dylan McCaffrey or a David Long is a rare event indeed for them. More satellite camps and more pub isn't likely to do much other than unearth another sleeper or two.

And that's a team that has been in BCS bowls repeatedly. Purdue may as well not bother. Only a few schools have the ability to resist the fate of their location in recruiting no matter the (indirect) cash outlay.

Pick a PWO

Harbaugh is up to 12 pwo's. Which one has the best shot of seeing the field?

That's easy: Camaron Cheeseman. He's a long snapper, and apparently a very good one.

This is probably not a satisfying answer because he is a special teamer we hope to never hear from again unless he's catching a pass in the Sugar Bowl. Let's add a "on something other than special teams" stipulation. In that case, I've got Simeon Smith, the TE/WR out of Kalamazoo. You cannot teach 6'7" and Harbaugh loves tight ends. Smith might have had a higher profile if he didn't play on a team that was 1-9 both years he was an upperclassman; he's got the academics; if he fills out he could be the kind of field-stretching flex TE that Harbaugh built his empire on.

A useful thing

Hi there,

I made a classifieds facebook group for the community. LSAClassof2000 thought it'd be a good idea to make it as a sticky or something permanent and readily accessible for anyone who would want to join. The hope is this can keep the boards clear of the selling posts that happen during the regular football season.

The URL is: https://www.facebook.com/groups/MGoClassifieds/ it's a place for members to buy/sell/trade Michigan merchandise.

Thanks,
James

Hey, so, use this.

Comments

Voltron Blue

March 16th, 2016 at 6:50 PM ^

And the point is those programs you've listed are not "Sweet 16 teams every year at a minimum".

I've now realized that these concepts are above your head.  It's amazing that you continue to play offense on the name calling.  But please, keep going.  It's good entertainment.

Lumpy_wolverine

March 16th, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^

Beilein is not the once-in-a-lifetime, Harbaugh type of coach.

Beilein = Lloyd Carr (without the crabby grandpa vibe)

He is very good, sometimes maddeningly frustrating, wish we could be more consistently better type of coach.  But we have seen what happens when you push out Lloyd Carr for a sexy hire.

I would be happy to get Phil Jackson if he's calling Manuel for the job.  Otherwise, we could do A LOT worse.

 

93Grad

March 16th, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^

also not a surprise to Martin.  Carr told him before his last season started that he wanted to retire and Martin convinced him to coach the season out before announcing anything.  

This is what made the coaching search that followed so maddening.  Martin approached it like he was surprised when he knew for months and did nothing to prepare.

Lumpy_wolverine

March 16th, 2016 at 4:58 PM ^

Lloyd was not pushed out.  But IIRC, there was substantial discontent among the fanbase (over a decade since the national championship, loss to App. St., poor bowl record, etc.)  I recall lots of excitement about getting someone new in and turning the page.  I don't recall any handwringing (as there was when Bo retired - I was a student at the time).

umumum

March 16th, 2016 at 3:26 PM ^

the undeserved reassessment of Amaker and his legacy apparently continues. Why---he was awful.  He was a robotic personality and clueless on the court.

That he ran a clean program should be the floor and not something to congratulated for. And given his questionable recruiting tactics at Harvard, Martin might better be the reason the program was clean.  http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02harvard.html

OkemosBlue

March 16th, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^

        Being a fan is not about being reasonable, but it is disappointing to see the Brian write what he writes about Beilein.  He is mild compared to some, but he fails to understand that Michigan had 10 coins turn up heads in a row when it made the championship game and it had about 10 coins turn up tails the last two years because of injuries and defections (defections are to be expected to some extent).  In other words, we have seen two extremes that appear related not to coaching but to injuries and defections.

       What is the average Beilein team?  We don't know for sure.  But it is probably an NCAA team with a good chance of making the sweet 16 and occasionally the final 4. Is that good enough for some of these fans?   I don't know.

     One word on defense:  People defending against players 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier (Irvin) are likely to look bad.  Players who have little actual playing experience in a defensive sysetem (Robinson, MAAR, Donnal, Dawkins) are likely to look bad.  Players who are challenged physically (hurt or recovering--Irvin and Walton, or slow/unatheltic--Robinson, or too thin--Donnal, sick--Doyle) are likely to look bad.  When both of these combine, it is very difficult to have even decent defense.  Hopefully they will all play better next year.

       What has really hurt this team is that Walton hasn't shot very well during the last half of the season.  Don't know why, but he hasn't, but he was hurt again.

    

Stringer Bell

March 16th, 2016 at 3:42 PM ^

I don't necessarily think it's the system that's the biggest issue.  Many of these players (Robinson and Dawkins in particular) display horrible defensive fundamentals.  That should be easily fixable but then again, well it hasn't been fixed yet.  Beilein needs a defensive coordinator.  Three straight years of defenses outside the top 100 is inexcusable and you can't win with that unless you have a historically efficient offense.

distant gerbil…

March 16th, 2016 at 3:54 PM ^

I would think that if we uncoupled what the ceiling of the program is from "fire Beilein" then we would probably get a more optimistic view of the future.

I find it hard to believe at this point that Michigan wouldn't go after a premier coach who could also recruit at the highest level while staying clean in doing so. Personally, I think if that were to happen we'd then see that we could consistently pull Top 50 players, albeit maybe not at a Kentucky or Duke level and we would then see the current results as less than ideal.

 

jsquigg

March 16th, 2016 at 3:40 PM ^

I don't get the bullshit about lack of development.  This team without its best player improved significantly over last year.  I think because of Beilein's three year run everyone's expectations jumped and the starting place for improvement was much lower than what had become normal.  Mark Donnal was a non-entity last year who has improved at both ends.  Ricky Doyle has stagnated or even regressed, but I just found out he's been dealing with sleep apnea, which I have and is a bitch when it comes to getting enough rest.  Mo Wagner will improve a lot, if only because from my point of view his talent is evident and his basketball knowledge is what's holding him back.

I agree with pretty much everything else, but I don't know how anyone with eyes can't see improvement at all levels except team defense.  If this Xavier guy is as good as he seems then next year could be the year we wanted this year.

Lanknows

March 16th, 2016 at 3:41 PM ^

Last year we were 500 and failed to make the tourney. This year we are 22-12 and have a shot (with some luck) of getting to the sweet 16.  Per KenPom we're up to 55 from 75.

I know we all had expectations, but once Spike and Caris were done for, those needed to get revised.

There is a disconnect from reality here.

Improvement next year should be expected. It will be significant for reasons that should be obvious.

umchicago

March 16th, 2016 at 4:02 PM ^

honestly, my expectations were to finish the regular season between #20-25 and be a 5-7 seed in the tourny.  in reality we came two wins from accomplishing that; 12-6 in the BIG and 24-10 overall.  i think we could have had two more wins with a healthy team and be ready for at least a sweet 16 tourny run.

93Grad

March 16th, 2016 at 3:54 PM ^

of a bit and I think it is apt.  Dumars had a LOT of things go his way at the right time for that 2004 team to come together.  Once that team could not compete anymore, he was totally at a loss on how to build another contender because, in part, the Pistons could not attract high profile free agents.  And also because Dumars just made a lot of bad personnel decisions.

JB seems to be suffering a little of the same fate.  The difference, of course, is that while Detroit is not a great landing spot for NBA free agents, Michigan is (or should be) a pretty attractive spot to recruits.  Maybe not the top 25 one and dones, but beyond that we should be able to compete for any kid not on the take, which is a lot more than some appologists will have you believe.

m1jjb00

March 16th, 2016 at 4:06 PM ^

Irvin with a healthy back, if you believe what JB said earlier this year about him not getting all his athleticism back until next year, would be a positive.

Another thing I can hope for with a clear conscience is that JB reviews both what the shot clock and the new anti-handsy rules have done to offense and defense versus what has worked in the past.

I think it's reasonble to hope that Robinson doesn't have as bad as an end-of-season swoon that seems like stamina/strength issues.

With much love to Dackich who sacrificed what he wanted to give the team some much needed minutes, a 3rd legit guard is going to help.

Finally in the category of hey I can fantasize about something not involving swimsuit models, let's hope Dawkins can tranlsate his abilities to better defense.

Harlans Haze

March 16th, 2016 at 4:17 PM ^

And, there's nothing wrong with striving for that. But, we can't just judge ourselves in a vacuum, and not solely against MSU. While many of the losses were painful, and big victories were few and far between, just look at UM compared with a lot of teams in the tournament, even in the same bracket. USC is the 8th seed, and their biggest win is against another pretender in Oregon St. (and don't get me started on Colorado). Notre Dame? Come on. Pitt? You've got to be kidding? Even Kentucky has about 1 or 2 signature wins this year. Everybody's lost and lost a lot this year. I hate to play the injury card, but it's hard not to. Put Caris and Spike on this team, they're easily a top 4 seed. They just are, there's that much talent on the roster.  And things look way better going into next year. If UM gets by Tulsa and ND (which isn't out of the realm) , even WVU is not an imposing team (especially if you don't fully believe in the big 12 depth). If for, once in a season, they can string back-to-back good games, they can beat a couple teams.

 

 

StephenRKass

March 16th, 2016 at 4:30 PM ^

I love Beilein and I'm 100% behind him. You can keep Coach Cal and Coach K and Coach Pitino and Thad Matta as far as I'm concerned. There are very few coaches out there with Beilein's level of integrity and character, and I am looking forward to seeing what the next 5 to 10 years will bring under his watch.

StephenRKass

March 16th, 2016 at 4:31 PM ^

I love Beilein and I'm 100% behind him. You can keep Coach Cal and Coach K and Coach Pitino and Thad Matta as far as I'm concerned. There are very few coaches out there with Beilein's level of integrity and character, and I am looking forward to seeing what the next 5 to 10 years will bring under his watch.

UMinSF

March 16th, 2016 at 5:49 PM ^

I couldn't agree more.  JB brought us successfully out of the lowest period we've suffered through in the long time I've watched Michigan basketball.

He displays high integrity, plays by the rules, and his teams consistently make the NCAA tournament. I think we're fortunate to have him. He's made Michigan basketball fun again.

IMO, people have unrealistic expectations, perhaps based on two points of comparison:

Internally - Fab Five

Beilein's level of success matches any coach in MIchigan basketball history, with the single exception of Steve Fisher.  Coach Frieder had a pretty good run, but his teams never did squat in the tournament (until he bolted for ASU). Regarding Fisher, I absolutely DO NOT want a return to that corrupt era, and we paid a terrible price for that period.  

Saying "that was 20 years ago, get over it" is ridiculous, because the damage that era caused cost us an entire post-scandal decade.  Coach Beilein is the primary reason we "got over it" at all!

Externally - MSU

The truth sometimes hurts. Tom Izzo is a coaching legend, one of the best ever. Sure it's great to hope we could find someone similar, but that's lightning in a bottle. 

Frankly, it's remarkable how well JB has done with Izzo casting such a large shadow in our state. 

Basketball is not football.  There are 350 college basketball teams vs. 120. Rosters and arenas are much smaller - gigantic resources simply don't mean as much in basketball (unless you're using them to compensate against the rules). Michigan is a "blue blood" in football, but is not in basketball, and never has been. 

There is not a single school that dominates in both football and basketball long term, and not a single school that's a "blue blood" in both. Florida had a couple of great years, UCLA has had periods of success in football, OSU periods of success in hoops, and MSU is currently enjoying their pinnacle in both sports. Anyone who's realistic understands that can't continue - MSU's days at the top are numbered.

Kentucky,  Duke, UCLA, Kansas, North Carolina, maybe Indiana, Louisville and Syracuse or Arizona - that's a complete list of "blue blood" basketball programs. With the occasional exception of UCLA and (rarely) NC, all those schools suck at football.

IMO, long-term Michigan compares favorably to anyone on that score, and we're rapidly approaching another great era of success in both sports. Our realistic peak is great at football, good at basketball (with occasional greatness).  We're almost there.

 

aiglick

March 16th, 2016 at 5:05 PM ^

This basketball season is not over and hopefully will continue for a good while yet.

It's clear that maybe Beilein could make some adjustments yet we did still make the Tourney despite not having two top rotation players available for most of the season.

Let's see what the team does. At the end of the day I'm happy we're back in the Dance and these players can get a taste (hopefully more) of what that experience is like.

Let the Madness reign (except for tonight since I believe we are favored).

Ty Butterfield

March 16th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^

Michigan has the resources to be a higher echelon basketball program. I just hope Warde has a come to Jesus talk with Beilein. Next season needs to show marked improvement or Beilein should be shown the door. No one would stand for this in football so I don't know why people are content to embrace mediocrity.

Voltron Blue

March 16th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^

Probably because our basketball program, while still having a ton to be proud of historically, is a tier below the "blue blood" status that our football program enjoys.  

And, perhaps more importantly, we are doing far better than "mediocrity" in years where we don't lose our best player(s) and/or co-captain(s) to injury.

rockfish

March 17th, 2016 at 1:03 AM ^

AGAIN THE MICHIGAN BASKETBALL TEAM HAS PLAYED IN 6 NCAA CHAMP GAMES SINCE THE 1960'S, UNLIKE THE MICHIGAN FOOTBALL TEAM THAT ONLY HAS A 1/2 TTLE IN ALMOST 60 YRS...... MICHIGAN BASKETBALL ISN'T SOME CHARITY CASE TO ALL THE BEILEIN SLAPPYS  ... BY THE WAY MICHIGAN FOOTBALL IS NOT A BLUE BLOOD WITH A 1/2 TITLE IN 60YRS.... CHECK YOUR FACTS

Voltron Blue

March 17th, 2016 at 1:14 AM ^

Why don't you check my posts in this thread (also calm TF down)?

Yes, we've played on Monday in April 6 times (read my post above...we have a ton to be proud of), but if you think we're on a level plane with Duke, Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky historically then you're out of your mind.  

 

 

AlwaysBlue

March 16th, 2016 at 6:12 PM ^

should that conversation be framed as you describe, Beilein will tell him to fuck off. More storied programs have been slogging around, firing coaches and answering for scandals than Michigan under Beilein. Throwing around words like mediocrity and unacceptable is as ridiculous as using tradition as a selling point. The program fell into an abyss after the Fab 5. There is no relevant tradition to today's recruits, the early departures are just guys in the NBA contributing little attraction to the Wolverine basketball brand. This doesn't mean Beilein shouldn't address issues but let's have some context.

Maizen

March 16th, 2016 at 6:35 PM ^

And what "relevant tradition" did Izzo have to sell when he took over at MSU? Or Lute Olsen at Zona? Or K at Duke? Or Huggins at WVU? And on down the list.

I'm so sick of people of people comparing Beilein to the Ellerbe/Amaker years. Guess what? Michigan made a bad coaching hire, then didn't support the next one with money or faciltiies. Beilein has both. Do we lower expectations for the football program because of the RR and Hoke years? Hell no.

No one is saying Michigan should be a number 1 seed every year. But JB makes too much money and UM has poured so much money into the facilities now that missing the tournament every 3 years is unacceptable. Whiffing on all your top recruiting targets is unacceptable. Getting destroyed in the the post and on the defensive end of the court year after year is unacceptable.

Why the hell so many of you make excuses for this guy is beyond me. Could Michigan do worse? Hell yes. Could it also do better? Yes, it could.

AlwaysBlue

March 16th, 2016 at 8:07 PM ^

arguments. People hold up tradition and facilities as advantages he had when he walked in the door. In fact he had neither. He took the team to the tournament in his second year, missed his third and then four straight appearances before the injury plagued team last season. But to the masters of excellence here he lucked into the good years and is really about the worse. It's tiresome.

Richard75

March 16th, 2016 at 6:59 PM ^

Advice to the pro-Beilein crowd from a critic

The Beilein defenders need only cite the injuries. If you just say the injuries have been rough, let's see what happens next year, I don't think you'd find too many people disagreeing with you.

The problem is when you start trying to manage people's expectations of the program.

Nine years ago when Beilein was hired, if you'd said that Michigan would clearly still be No. 2 in the state today—and for the foreseeable future—no Michigan fan who would've signed up for that. So people have a right to be disappointed. You can't tell them, well, we run a clean program. (That's a requirement, not an achievement.) Or don't judge us against State. (They're our archrival.) Or we were really good just a couple of years ago. (Bruce Weber said the same once.)

None of that means Beilein should go or even be near the hot seat. But just understand it's very difficult to spin perceptions and expectations, especially when the coach is making top-dollar.



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Voltron Blue

March 16th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^

Except that Beilein exceeded State for a 2-3 year stretch, so I disagree that you can look on Beilein's tenure and frame it as always and forever taking a backseat in state.  In other words, we have already gained more than you are claiming.

But if you are saying that the minimum expectation to keep a job is to outpace a Hall of Famer...well, that's not rational.  But you agree on that given the first sentence of the last paragraph.

 

ChristineRDavis

March 17th, 2016 at 11:56 AM ^

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March 18th, 2016 at 1:08 AM ^

 
 
 
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