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Brian

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It is mailbag time, and this necessarily involves talking about the various job securities of the various coaches on the staff. Apologies in advance for this.

I've followed the program pretty closely for the last few decades through friends, family, and former players. Wondering if your general opinion of Brady Hoke's competence as a head coach continues to reflect your 2007 assessment?

Go Blue,
Andrew Steketee

That 2007 assessment was a "Profile in Cronyism" at the dark point of the coaching search when reasonable options were thin on the ground and names like Hoke and Jim Grobe were getting thrown around, and it laid out the case that no reasonable Big Ten program, let alone Michigan, could possibly consider Hoke for a head coaching gig. At the time he was 22-36 at Ball State and had just finished his first winning season, that a 7-6 campaign. "Evidence suggests Hoke is outclassed in the MAC," I said at the time.

So of course Hoke immediately ripped off the best season in Ball State history, finishing the regular season before inexplicably losing to Buffalo in the MAC championship game. San Diego State hired him away, whereupon former Michigan offensive coordinator Stan Parrish took over. Parrish wasted no time impressing his indelible stamp on the program by losing 45-13. Hoke took over a 2-10 program; in his second year they're 8-4. Since the four losses have come against Missouri, BYU, TCU, and Utah and the biggest deficit was five points against TCU(though that game wasn't nearly as close as all that), his resume is now a plausible Big Ten resume…

…at Minnesota, where he's a rumored candidate. I know the emailer wasn't suggesting that Hoke would be considered for the Michigan job, but it's worth mentioning that Michigan's coaching search got so desperate in 2007 that a guy who put up a 12-2 season and has turned around San Diego State but still doesn't have a reasonable resume was getting kicked around.

Brian,

I know you briefly alluded to this on TWIS, but what are the chances that Randy Shannon could possibly come and be our defensive coordinator? There are SO many great reasons why:

- He graduates players (I believe he had one of the highest APR rates for a BCS school)
- Pipeline to the South, especially Florida, so we can get their recruits
- Much better than GERG
- Able to relate to all sorts of players with different backgrounds
- Players stayed out of trouble

The only thing is whether or not Rich Rod would be willing to forgo the 3-3-5 or if Randy Shannon can coach the 3-3-5.

Speaking of which – isn’t that the hinge question? Do we want someone who can actually coach the 3-3-5 or do we want someone to switch to the 3-4 or 4-3?

Jin Shi

I made a joking reference to Shannon in TWIS without thinking much other than "this is a defensive coach who is not Robinson," but… yeah, seriously. Unlike Robinson, Shannon has a track record of recent college success. His current team is 16th in total D and 22nd in scoring, seventh in sacks, first in TFLs, and third in pass efficiency D. FEI has them third nationally*.

Downsides: they got bombed by Florida State and gave up 31 to Virginia Tech—both games featured rushes of over eighty yards, and Shannon's had access to the steady stream of insane athletes that just hangs out at Miami Northwestern so his defenses probably should be pretty good.

Still, Wikipedia sayeth:

During Shannon's six years as UM's defensive coordinator, his defenses ranked as follows in total defense nationally:

Dang. Once he got the top job at Miami there was some dropoff, as Shannon's Ds finished 33rd, 28th, 29th, and 16th in yardage. FEI has the Shannon defenses, 41st (2007),  65th (2008), 18th, and 3rd, which is really interesting since the conventional measure hardly differentiates between Shannon's first three years.

That's a full decade of defenses somewhere between bludgeoning and decent, mostly bludgeoning. And as anyone who's watched a Miami game in the last four years can tell you, Shannon is a great guy with a heartbreaking life story who graduated his kids and kept them out of trouble. He should help Michigan's Florida recruiting even further, as he's a guy respected across the state. If Michigan changes DCs again they could do much worse.

The 3-3-5 issue shouldn't come up. Shannon's spent his entire career playing and coaching Miami's basic 4-3 cover two; asking him to run anything else would be as nuts as hiring a guy who'd driven Syracuse into a crater and asking him to run a defense he doesn't know, and one of the preconditions to keeping Rodriguez around should be "no more transparently nuts decisions, okay?"

*(Guess who's #1: West Virginia. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU.)

On the inefficiency of the offense:

So I found out why we suck.  Turns out it isn't our defense.  The reason we cant win is because of the offense and whatever kicker we trot out there to kick FGs.  Look at the comparison between yards/game rank vs. points/yd rank among the top 30 offenses (total offense by total yards, not yds/game).  We rank #6 in yds/game but #26 in pts/yd.  So we move a ton of yards without getting much in return.  Well, i should say we don't get enough in return.  You'd think or expect our yd/game rank to be in the neighborhood of our pts/yd rank....but we have the worst differential among the top 30 offenses (total yards).  Who knows where we'd rank if I went to all FBS teams.

What's also interesting is who is at the top.  Teams with a high negative delta (pts/yd rank minus yd/game rank) get more points than they should be expected to.  This can be because of a number of factors--they don't turn the ball over, they don't miss field goals, and/or their defense forces turnovers and provides shorter fields for the offense.  In any case we now know why such a boring Wisconsin offense scores so many fricking points.  They are #1 in pts/yd.  OSU is #5.  Neither of these teams are prolific, but they are extremely efficient and they don't screw up.  Oregon, Boise State, and TCU are just fricking awesome all around.  Stanford is another team that makes the most of its chances.  Michigan's delta goes in the other direction (yd/game is awesome...pts/game not so much).  Obviously we need to move the two numbers closer together. 

Oh, if we scored .0868366 pts/yd, which is what NIU got at #6 in pts/yd rank (and closer to where we should be) we would have scored about 110 more points this year.  If we had Wisconsin's, we would have scored 167 more points this year...hopefully all against OSU, WISC, PSU, Iowa, and MSU.

In summary... our defense can continue to suck and there will still be hope.  Our offense needs to perform on 8 cylinders all the time and we need to get a kicker...have we tried the women's soccer team?

TEAM YDS/G PTS/G pts/yd PPY RK YD/GM RANK Rank Delta
Wisconsin 450.2 43.3 0.096 1 18 -17
Oregon 541.7 50.2 0.093 2 1 1
Boise State 525.5 46.4 0.088 3 4 -1
TCU 491.5 43.2 0.088 4 7 -3
Ohio State 448.8 39.4 0.088 5 19 -14
Northern Illinois 452 39.3 0.087 6 17 -11
Auburn 490.1 42.1 0.086 7 8 -1
East Carolina 445.5 38.2 0.086 8 22 -14
Stanford 467.3 39.8 0.085 9 14 -5
Oklahoma State 537.6 44.9 0.084 10 2 8
Southern Miss 458.2 37.6 0.082 11 15 -4
Nevada 536.9 43.3 0.081 12 3 9
Nebraska 424.3 33.8 0.080 13 27 -14
Alabama 435.6 34.4 0.079 14 25 -11
Hawaii 487.8 38.3 0.079 15 10 5
Houston 480.5 37.7 0.078 16 11 5
Tulsa 503.5 39.3 0.078 17 5 12
Oklahoma 480.1 37.5 0.078 18 12 6
San Diego State 448.5 35 0.078 19 20 -1
Arkansas 489.3 37.3 0.076 20 9 11
Kentucky 437.3 33 0.075 21 24 -3
Air Force 437.4 32.3 0.074 22 23 -1
USC 427.9 31.1 0.073 23 26 -3
Texas A&M 447.6 31.7 0.071 24 21 3
Texas Tech 452.6 31.9 0.071 25 16 9
Michigan 500.9 34.2 0.068 26 6 20
Baylor 478.5 32.6 0.068 27 13 14
Southern Methodist 422.8 27.9 0.066 28 28 0
Miami (FL) 422.6 27.1 0.064 29 30 -1
UAB 422.8 26.8 0.063 30 29 1

This is the thing about looking up at halftime and seeing around 250 yards and ten points in chart form: hoooo boy was Michigan bad at converting drives into points this year.

A chunk of this is on the kickers. I don't think Michigan made any calls a David Romer obsessive wouldn't regard as broadly correct because of their field goal situation, so all of the disadvantages going 4 of 13 provides should be encapsulated in FEI's kicking stat, in which Michigan has proudly reclaimed their crown as the worst in the nation. They're giving up an astounding 1.15 points relative to an average team every time they line up to kick. Pretending they're average closes the gap between themselves and puts them in a tie with A&M and Texas Tech; something in the 30s gets them slightly past.

Turnovers are another chunk. This one's not quite as easy to quantify. Michigan's 27 lost turnovers is 109th nationally. I'm going to take a wild stab at how much of Michigan's deficiency here is due to the huge TO rate that should be generally correct but vulnerable to a lot of niggling details, so bear with me. Michigan's drives last year excluding end-of-half situations that did not result in points:

  • 43 punts
  • 57 TDs
  • 13 FGAs
  • 27 turnovers

The national median in turnovers lost is 20. If we wave a wand and pretend this is Michigan's distribution, and leave the spread unchanged otherwise we get another 2.7 punts, 3.5 TDs, and eight tenths of a field goal. That's another two points a game, which gets Michigan up to… 22nd.

So then the rest of it is starting almost every drive at their 20 or worse thanks to a terrible defense, no punt return game, no kick return game, and everything else that goes into Michigan's average starting field position, in which Michigan ranks 92nd relative to the opponent.

If we're assigning blame, the the offense appear to be about 25% responsible thanks to those turnovers with special teams taking 50% and the defense 25%.

We have done this the last two years but it's worth noting that West Virginia was consistently positive in TO margin after Rodriguez's first year, so it's not like this is an artifact of the system. I know I keep saying this in defiance of persistently agonizing triple digit rankings. Maybe next year, when Rodriguez has an upperclassman at QB for the first time?

Brian,
Do you weigh the fact that Harbaugh probably is available only this offseason in your calculation to retain RR for a fourth year?  Does the presumed availability of a top-tier candidate with deep UM ties change the analysis of whether RR should be retained?  It has to in my mind--I'm not sure what conclusion it leads me to--does it in your mind?  Or do you challenge my assumption about only this offseason?
--
David

I'm not sure I agree with the premise. I can see Harbaugh sticking around for another year at Stanford if he knows he's got a shot at the job next year, or leaving his team a la Al Groh to coach his alma mater, or not actually getting a pro job offer for whatever reason. (Let's stipulate that there's no college job Michigan couldn't poach Harbaugh from and no college program is likely to be foolhardy enough to test that.)  But it is accurate that Harbaugh is available now and might not be in the future.

Does that change the calculus? Yeah. Without Harbaugh sitting there with an 11-1 Stanford team he built by hand from the finest recruits known to Stanford, I don't think the conversation about Rodriguez's job security is anywhere near as intense. Who's the next hot guy? Patterson and Peterson seem married to their current schools, Chip Kelly isn't going anywhere. The two guys next on everyone's lips are Dana Holgorsen and Gus Mahlzahn, two offensive coordinators who have never been head coaches.

Sans Harbaugh, Michigan would probably take a look at the available options, glance back at Denard, and say "well, one more year probably can't hurt." With him, it's a choice between as-probable-as-it-gets long term success and an awkward fit with the Big Ten offensive player of the year, or hoping that someone can finally turn Rodriguez's defense at Michigan into something other than doom. There are worse spots to be in. There are better.

Comments

bronxblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:56 PM ^

1.  Yes, that is correct.  Of course, Les Miles also had UM connections and I'm not sure how he would have played with the faithful.

2.  True.  It probably would help with recruiting, but the coaching landscape is littered with former players that didn't pan out.

3.  He did very well with USD, but let's not read too much into that given the competition and such.  His run at Stanford has been very good, but again it may be a bit early to crown him as a great coach given the situation.

4.  This idea that a certain "style" works in the B10 while others don't has been proven wrong numerous times.  The best team in the country runs the spread, teams like Florida and Texas pounded people behind it, WVU had amazing seasons with it, etc.  Schemes don't win in the long run; talent + experience does.  Judging RR and his system based on a bunch of freshmen and first-time starters at key positions isn't a fair to either.  And for all the talk about his lack of recruiting, he is still pulling in good classes. 

5.  That's great for him personally, but unless his family members are going to pull a Monte Kiffin and coach the defense, I'm not sure how much that helps. 

6.  Harbaugh is 46, RR is 47.  They both seem pretty energetic to me.

I get all of your points, but they sound an awful lot like the ones people made about RR 3 years ago.  Being successful at UM is going to take time, and that is true for whomever coaches the team.  I'm not against Harbaugh being brought in, but crowning him the savior based on limited data shouldn't be the driving force behind the move.

raleighwood

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:53 PM ^

I wasn't  trying to make a comparison between JH and RR.  I'm just saying that if you put Dave Brandon and Don Canham (RIP) in a room and asked them to create a HC, he would probabably look a lot like Jim Harbaugh.  Think of it as "Weird Science" without the teenage boys and hot (for the 80's) chick.

Regarding my point # 4....again I wasn't trying to compare the spread vs. pro style.  I just think that Brandon and Canham would lean toward the pro set.  Do you really think that it's a coincidence that the five best teams in the Big Ten (Wisky, OSU, Iowa, MSU and PSU) are associated with "power football" or "Linebacker U"?  For right or wrong, that's the BT mindset and that's why I think a clean slate "weird science" experiment would come up with something along those lines.

bronxblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 6:51 PM ^

I guess I kind of agree, but there is no prototypical "best" coach out there in any sport.  JoePa and Bobby Bowden are about as dissimilar as coaches as I can think of, but both won a ton of games.  Jim Tressel won a title being about as boring and conservative as possible, but the Mad Hatter Les Miles also won a title playing with reckless abandon.  The best coach is one who recruits kids that fit his system, employs it effectively, and most importantly wins games.  That has been RR's biggest failing so far, not whether or not he fits a mold.

As for point #4, PSU utilized a version of the spread the last couple of years and dominated most teams in the B10, and OSU under Troy Smith was as dangerous a team as I've seen (and if they ran a similar spread-y offense with Pryor, they would be equally as scary).  Again, just because Wisconsin and its herd of 5th-year seniors won convincing games by running up the score doesn't mean "power football" is the way to succeed in the Big 10.  And I think the goal should be beyond competing in the B10 but also competing nationally, and if you look across the college football landscape the spread and its permutations is as dominant an offense as the pro set.  It's all about execution and having the best players for your system, and I think we've seen that as RR gets more of those players, this team is harder and harder to stop.

zlionsfan

December 2nd, 2010 at 10:10 PM ^

especially because you're not discussing a single point and even the points you bring up are unevenly applied and/or outdated. Penn State is hardly Linebacker U any more: in the last 10 years, Purdue has sent more LBs to the NFL than PSU has, and Ohio State outdistances them both easily.

Yes, a couple of the teams in your list have a strong power running game, but they also use the spread offense effectively, and everyone else in the conference uses it heavily, and at times successfully ... their lack of continued success is more correctly attributed to lack of talent than to scheme. The fact that Bielema would rather run up the score use a power offense than a spread offense doesn't mean that the spread can't be successful in the Big Ten: ask Drew Brees. (And that wasn't even the mobile-QB version that's popular today and currently in use at Purdue, but a New England-style variation.)

As we've seen in numerous diaries, Michigan is a great example of the spread offense working well in the Big Ten. The fact that Michigan isn't 10-2 isn't because of the spread; it's partly because Robinson is inexperienced, partly because the defense is ugh, and partly because the best defenses in the conference shut down pretty much all offenses.

I would hope Brandon wouldn't care about scheme: his job is to find the coach who he thinks will do the best job here, not to dictate what offense or defense should be used to make that happen.

Maize and Blue…

December 4th, 2010 at 7:54 AM ^

since so many colleges run a pro set.  Penn St. isn't a power football, MSU has three WRs most of the time, and OSU is at best 50/50.  I'll give Wisky and maybe Iowa, but how much college football do you watch.  The teams you list usually get destroyed by true spread teams in important games.  We still have way to much youth on this team to be a major player.  With basically everyone back RR deserves another year as his first full recruiting class will only be juniors/RS sophomores.  If we had viable quality starter (save a few) that were upperclassman and fifth year seniors the last couple years this situation would have never happened.

onceandfutureb…

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:25 PM ^

Great stuff, Brian. Thanks.

I've been saying for three years that RR has to go -- cause he's not got what it takes to be the HC of a truly great program. However, it wasn't personal. I just thought the guy couldn't get it done (and was proven right).

But, dang, the OSU game last week made it personal. I don't care about your abilities or recruiting or offensive schemes or injuries, etc. But if you don't f-ing SHOW UP for the OSU game, then it's personal. I felt betrayed. Harbaugh or no, dump his ass.  ANd, yes, I realize that means we could get a great Brady Hoke type or a awful Brady Hoke type. Sucks, I know.

profitgoblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 PM ^

I know your intent was to bash the Free Press, but don't you think a conviction for DUI should get at least a little attention from everyone, not just the press?  I mean, it is a misdeameanor carrying a potention of jail time of up to 93 days (mandatory 5 day stay for second offense), license suspension (minimum of 1 year for second offense), and a fine.

mschol17

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:58 PM ^

I completely agree that it's a legitimate topic.  I bring it up because nobody else ever does when talking about Harbaugh, and I'm surprised it isn't a big deal.  I think it's a lot bigger deal than the comments he made about Michigan academics. 

Rodriguez has had negative articles written about him for every rumor or suggestion, and I'm wondering if the same standard would be applied to JH.

jmblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 6:16 PM ^

Yes, but there is a distinction to be made between having done something regrettable in the past and doing something regrettable on the job.  Harbaugh says he's quit drinking altogether.  If true, he shouldn't have any more incidents like this.

Gustavo Fring

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:14 PM ^

A man was (allegedly) elected to the position of President of the United States (slightly more important position than Michigan HC) and had a DUI and a bout with alcoholism.

Granted, in many people's eyes(including mine) this was one of the worst things that has ever happened to America, but the point is, if you can be president with a DUI, you can coach a football team. 

profitgoblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:27 PM ^

I did not insinuate that the DUI conviction is a determinative factor in the decision.  I simply stated that it should be considered.  In your analogy, that individual received a lot of scrutiny for his conviction.  (I do not mean this to be a political statement.)

badjuju81

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:40 PM ^

Okay, so I'm an engineer and I'm trained in 6-Sigma statistics.  This means I love all the math-related posts on MGoBlog, and actually understand the math.  However, I also have an emotional side that is intrigued by the fact that, on an 85-scholarship team, a single scholarship to a kicker has so much impact.  Brendan Gibbons was a highly-rated kicking recruit and nobody expected him to flame out, nor how big the affect would be.  That is not a statistical probability.  And you can't really blame the HC that recruited the guy.

Back in the day, when I was in school and Bo was coach, I'd look through the post-game stats in the newspaper and see we usually outgained the opponent on the ground by about as much as they outgained us in the air playing catch-up.  So they sort of cancelled, yardage wise, but we usually won by a wide margin (remember, this was the "Big 2, Little 8" days).  What always stood out was we POUNDED them in return yards, which = way better field position, which = way better scoring efficiency / yard.  So the blame portioning 25% O, 25% D, 50% ST makes a lot of sense to me and feels right.  And you can go ahead and blame the HC that hasn't fixed the return game.

Yes, both sides of the brain can live in harmony.  I'm still a little conflicted about retaining/firing RR, but mostly leaning on keeping him based on FEI curve for Harbaugh in 4th year at Stanford and real facts of upper class QB and non-frosh D next year.

BRCE

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:41 PM ^

The whole "Harbaugh an awkard fit with Denard" notion is really frustrating me. Given we have seen only one truly new coach here since 1970 and it's turned out like this, we as Michigan fans are predisposed to believing that all coaching transitions will be agonizing clashes between roster and scheme. The truth is, you couldn't have had more of a radical transition between Carr and Rodriguez, two men exceptionally dogmatic in how they want the game to be played.

I haven't found anything on this other than a lot of message board posters claiming it, but is it true that Harbaugh ran spread formations at USD? Would it really take that much tweaking to, for a couple years, run something similar to the "spread coast" offense currently seen at Nebraska? And if he was convinced to play running back, does anyone think he wouldn't still be a crazy weapon?

Totally agree with what Tony Gerdemen said on the O-Zone in his review of Michigan's season: That it's strange to tout what a great player Robinson is in one breath and then insinuate he can only be successful in one scheme in the next. That special players are going to be good in any scheme and good coaches are going to find ways for them to succeed.

Fuzzy Dunlop

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:45 PM ^

Totally agree with what Tony Gerdemen said on the O-Zone in his review of Michigan's season: That it's strange to tout what a great player Robinson is in one breath and then insinuate he can only be successful in one scheme in the next.

I missed that, but it's a great point.  It's not like mobile quarterbacks haven't succeeded in non-spread systems that nevertheless take advantage of the QB's running ability.  See D. McNabb against us in 1999.   (I still have flashbacks).

What kind of system did Va. Tech run with Vick?  (Honest question).

Gustavo Fring

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 PM ^

But I'm pretty sure Virginia Tech ran a pass option offense (similar to Syracuse with McNabb) with Vick, though these days he looks pretty good running Andy Reid's West Coast Offense too. 

Harbaugh will have to be creative, but I think using Denard in a modified pro-style offense designed to take advantage of his running abilities would be much easier than trying to get Steven Threet to run Rich Rod's spread option. 

SmithersJoe

December 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 AM ^

The best system for DR is one in which he doesn't have to be superman so that Michigan can get close to coming back from behind.  A system that plays sound, fundamental football in all 3 phases.  A system that gives Michigan's offense decent field position, doesn't expose Michigan's defense to getting worn down for 60%+ of the time of possession, gives Michigan decent scoring options in the kicking game, and stops the opponent when you know what they are going run, again and again and again.

kman23

December 2nd, 2010 at 6:57 PM ^

I think they ran a ton of I formation sets where they would roll out VIck on play action and give him a run/pass option (not necessarily in that order).

The sometimes went to shotgun formations but that was mostly on 3rd and longs. VA Tech loves running down other team's throats. Power I run right, Power I run left, PA deep throw. 

Denard totally could play in an I formation. I formation doesn't mean no QB running. However, I am worried that Dee Hart would be headed to Auburn but 1 prospect isn't greater than Michigan football.

WolverBean

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^

Of course, at the time of our last coaching search, Les Miles' stock had never been higher either.  (And seeing as he won the MNC that year, I'm not sure how it could get better than that.)  But poll the fanbase now and see how many still think Les Miles would have been the right choice.  I'm not saying that Harbaugh's stock will necessarily drop the way Miles' has -- we have no evidence that it either will or won't.  But is hiring Harbaugh necessarily a now-or-never decision?  Are we sure that if we wait one more year, he won't still be available or interested?  I'm just not seeing the urgency here.  And consider what waiting one more year would get us.  Can Harbaugh not only build, but also maintain, success at Stanford?  Particularly after two straight years of graduating key players?  Can Rodriguez achieve consistency on offense and competence on defense and special teams?  Thinking long-term, seems to me there's more benefits to having a year's additional information about these two, especially when it's not obvious to me that we'd have to go after Harbaugh right this moment or else lose the chance forever.

ryebreadboy

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:47 PM ^

I really worry about that too.  Everyone's hailing Harbaugh as "the savior of Michigan football" but I haven't seen anything in his resume that indicates that he'll be significantly better than RR.  Sure, he's 11-1 this year, but before that it was 8-5 and before that 5-7.  RR had many successful years at WVU (never less than 8 wins from 2002 until he left for UM in 2007).  I don't understand why people look at Harbaugh and think he'll be able to instantly fix everything.  I'd much rather give him a year to see if he can maintain his production at the current level, and also to see what RR can do with UM in the interim.

jamiemac

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:22 PM ^

Couldnt Harbaugh just show highlight clips of the 1985 and 1986 offenses, when he ran a ton of option and a ton of pass/run option, and say, hey lets just do this?

Vinnie is about the size of Morris. We have plenty of other tailbacks to serve as the Gerald White, Bob Perryman roles. And maybe Koger can have a senior season like Eric Kattus

BOOM CHAMPIONSHIP'ED!!!

tybert

December 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 PM ^

Still remember his great senior season, which overlapped with my senior yr at UM.

He was a great pass-catcher.

The catch vs. OSU, which put us up 20-10, was nice. He was just going for a "stroll" in the back of the EZ.

Koger, like Kattus, was under-appreciated for a few yrs.

Just like 1985, we can kick Sparty's A$$ in Least Lansing and then cap a beautiful season in A-Squared in 2011 with a beat down of the Bucks.

SFBayAreaBlue

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:05 PM ^

but no one likes decimals, yards per point would be a much easier stat to understand than points per yard.  or multiply points per yard by 100 to give it the feel of marching down the football field once.  7 points per 100 yards is a standard you hear tossed around a bit.

mackbru

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:30 PM ^

1) The Free Press has noted the DUI at least ten times. The DUI is no secret to anyone.
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<br>2) Harbaugh has since quit drinking.
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<br>3) The media does not work on behalf of Jim Harbaugh.

OregonWolverine

December 2nd, 2010 at 8:49 PM ^

I'm not so sure that Harbaugh's style translates to M and the Big Ten as well as Brian thinks it does. Harbaugh plays the Pac 10 version of TresselBall, albeit with snappier duds and actual human emotions. A bit more aggressive, sure, but still - line up my guys and your guys and we'll pound on you and out-execute you and occasionally throw in a twist to keep you off balance. Works great in a down year for the Pac 10, except when you play Oregon.

But whether you can succeed playing that brand of smash mouth consistently against OSU, Wisconsin, Iowa, PSU, and MSU remains to be seen, especially when you might not be, ahem, lucky enough to have a near-certain future #1 NFL draft pick playing QB for you.

kross

December 2nd, 2010 at 9:38 PM ^

I have been a very patient RR supporter... but i have come to realize that for RR, the UM traditions are taking way too long for him, and his team, to learn.  I'd say be patient but for JH and his apparent availability.

JH is a natural, charismatic type that 'gets it'.  Do you believe if JH took over at UM three years ago (with the same pipeline problems RR faced) we would only have 1 win against OSU,MSU, Wisc or Iowa? (ND wins don't count... they are in as bad a pickle as we have been).   No way...  by this point we would have had a few 'signature wins' and upsets by now.

Recall the "2nd upset of the century" when Stanford beat the Trojans?  Have we had that kind of moment in the past 3 years?  Again, the ND wins have proved to be less impressive as their season progressed the past two years.

JH has the intangible, natural affinity to our traditions... hell...  he's a part of them with his guaranteed win against OSU.... that RR no matter how hard he's tried, just can't "get it"

I'd be a firm supporter to give RR another year... but for JH

My two cents.. and my first post on this site... please be kind to the newbie!  

Eye of the Tiger

December 3rd, 2010 at 1:34 AM ^

There are worse spots to be in. There are better.

Hey, you know what? That's true. Better is obvious: we could be 12-0, or even 10-2. That would be better than 7-5 and questioning whether we're really on track for consistent 9+ win seasons with the guy who has produced in the past, but so far failed to produce for us, or whether the guy who's won 9+ twice in a row with a sub-standard program would be able to replicate that here without throwing us into more rebuilding chaos. But on the other side, we did go 7-5 this year, we do look as if we'll improve next year with RR, at least on paper, and Harbaugh is definitely a good coach who would bring us success over time. To go a little Dante on all y'all, the 6th circle of hell is not in our immediate future, people. The question is which path gets us out of purgatory more quickly, and more emphatically.

uminks

December 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 AM ^

 I look for overall improvement through next season but we may not be good enough defensively to beat MSU on the road, NE or OSU at home. I would like to keep RR but keep him through 2012.  I'm just afraid we will be at the same place next year with losses at home against NE and OSU.  There will be another great swell to get rid of RR because he can not win the big games, never mind the fact that most of the defense will still be sophomores or red shirt sophomores.

Beside RR the only other coach I would want here is Harbaugh. However, next year Harbaugh may not be available.  It will be a tough decision for DB to project out 2 to 4 years down the road.  If he has confidence in RR to lead this team back to be a consistent b10 contender, then he should announce ASAP that RR will be the coach through the remainder of his contract with a possible contract extension if he can turn this program around. If he is not confident in RR then he should just cut his losses and hire Harbaugh.  I have this feeling that DB has made that decision already and it will not be announced until after the January Bowls! 

If we keep RR, I would give him to the 2012 season to win 9 to 10 games and get the team to the big 10 championship game. Another 7-5 or 8-4 record and he will be history!

I feel all stressed out over this since I would like to keep RR and see him rebuild this defense to go with his soon to be unstoppable spread offense.  But I also see JH as a potential great Michigan coach.  Jim was QB when I attended UM and he seems to be such a great leader.

RoxyMtnHiM

December 3rd, 2010 at 10:14 AM ^

The Josh Groban thing is a dealbreaker for me. I get that RR is under a lot of pressure. He's paid well to hold up against it. But he's coming loose around this edges and this maudlin crap... no can abide.

funkywolve

December 4th, 2010 at 9:54 AM ^

The interesting thing is that in 2009 UM had the second most red zone opportunities of any team in the big ten besides Wisky.  Unfortunately, their red zone scoring percentage wasn't that good.