Mailbag: Art Noise Victors, Lefty QBs, Gnomes Comment Count

Brian

A guy who gets it slightly more than the first commenter on the post.

In re: the sabotage version of Special K for a Day:

Brian,

This is pretty obscure, so you're totally excused for having missed this, but I think all institutional destroying from the inside pretty much begins and ends with this deep cut: mid-70s Ann Arbor art-noise collective Destroy All Monsters reuniting in 2002 (with the late Mike Kelley on vocals) and disemboweling "The Victors" (begins about 0:47).

Take care,

Mike

This is it:

I still like it better than "In The Big House."

Lefties.

Brian,

Obviously Hoke and Co. are killing it on recruiting now and things couldn't be better. One thing my friends and I were talking about is how come there are so few good lefty quarterbacks historically. I'm only 29 so my football references are limited, but beyond Steve Young, Vick, Mark Brunell, Esiason, and Tebow can you think of any other top lefty quarterbacks that panned out? Should we be worried about Sugar Shane? Any idea why this is the case? Do high school coaches see strong lefty quarterbacks and immediately focus them on pitching?

Go Blue!

I was initially going to dismiss this as paranoia but here's a blog post listing every lefthanded QB in NFL history as of this year. There have been 39 total, and the list of current lefty starters is Vick and Matt Leinart. Since Young retired in '99, the only lefties to have anything resembling a career are Scott Mitchell, Brunell, Vick, and Leinart with Tebow pending and Chris Simms carving out a modern-day-Todd-Collins ramblin' backup sort of career. Lefties are only 10% of the population but that's a period of 22 years with four(!) lefty QBs of any significance, one of them (Vick) a guy whose amazing physical gifts bought him chances he otherwise would not have gotten. Young was a scrambler, too.

The baseball explanation is plausible. The google leads you to the wikipedia and shows you an extensive discussion of the over-representation of lefthanded players in a lot of sports, including baseball, and when you think about the profile of a potential NFL quarterback and a potential MLB pitcher there's not a whole lot of difference. It's nice if they're tall, they don't really have to run much, and they have to be able to throw a ball through a brick wall. The baseball players don't have to be able to take a helmet to the ribs without folding in half. Football players don't seem to have that kind of restriction. A Venn diagram of the two groups has the NFL prospects as a subset of those for MLB.

The main difference between the two groups is their reaction to left-handedness. MLB says "yes please, with a cherry." The NFL says "this is inconvenient, now I have to reconfigure the offensive line. " So the guys in the NFL subset are much more likely to be sucked out of football, and voila: your population of 6'4" lefty riflemen who enjoy getting crushed is even more depressed relative to righties.

That's a long way of saying that I don't think Michigan has much to worry about in re: Shane Morris. The forces that make lefty NFL quarterbacks rare aren't likely to apply to individual quarterbacks who happen to be lefthanded.

Gnomes!

addendum to most embarrassing Michigan items

probably should be slotted in just under the flying squirrel sleeping  bag:

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the name is incredible.  Where is thematic gnome 1?

I think I may know the answer to this since I stumbled across a thematic gnome in my perusal of the official site:

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I didn't put it on the list despite its ridiculousness because it's a mean gnome wearing a Michigan hat, what looks sort of like jean shorts, and fake wolverine-like shoes that I doubt exist in real life. It's almost so ridiculous it's defensible? I don't know.

The comment thread on that post turned into a confessional about which users had which items—no one confessed to the chili powder—so these things are obviously subjective. That is, they're subjective unless you're the other variety of person on that thread: the ones who were incensed that the product they perceived as most ludicrous was not higher.

Super conference-type-substances.

brian, discussing superconferences today got me thinking. if the standards of a conference are 1 crossover game (as in a 16 team superconference) and a post season championship game, then doesn't the big ten and pac 12's future scheduling agreement of 1 game per year and champions playing in the rose bowl create something of a 24 team superconference between the big ten and pac 12?

why should either conference accept any more lower rung schools to dilute their tv money and bowl payouts to get to 16 teams when they already act in the equivalent capacity of a superconference?

trippwelborneID

I'm like… whoah. The chatter about the Big Ten-Pac-12 pact giving the conferences the advantages of a "superconference" without the drawbacks didn't make much sense to me when it happened, but putting it in that perspective is close to sense.

The way it makes things make sense is by making superconferences seem inexplicable. The ACC went to 14 in a panicked attempt to stave off poaching, or at least preserve a semblance of quality in its aftermath. The SEC went to 14 because Mike Slive screwed up his television negotiations. Absent those motivators why would anyone make a move like that? There is a clear motivation to get to 12—championship game—and none to go to 14 or 16. The superconference meme relies on the idea that the champions of the 16-team Death Stars will meet in a playoff, but how do you get there? You can't have a playoff without the Pac-12 and Big Ten, and neither of those conferences has any motivation to expand.

Hell, if you're Texas or Oklahoma the same logic applies to your ten-team conference. Right now those two teams have the easiest glide path to a playoff. They seem uninterested in getting the conference up to even 12 now that they've stabilized things.

The reasons you usually hear about the motivations to expand are hand-waving about footprints and stuff, unexamined Commisioner's New Clothes assumptions. Opposed to that are very obvious concerns about scheduling and keeping the pie slices the same size when you add teams. 16 team contraptions aren't a stable state. The rumbling in the ACC suggests even 14 is going to be awkward.

Comments

Roanman

June 7th, 2012 at 10:21 PM ^

I might buy Anthony Carter from Johnny Wangler maybe changed Bo's view of offensive football since if you notice the famed "Just Get Me The Ball Wangs" touchdown against Indiana was off play action because Bo didn't even have a straight dropback pass, or more likely John Kolesar from Jim (You'll never play a down at Michigan) Harbaugh who might maybe have given Bo pause.  

But most likely it was Mo, who probably damn near killed an already ailing Bo Schembechler at home or hospitalized for the 88 (I think) Outback Bowl by throwing at the endzone from somewhere beyond the twenty on fourth and short yardage in the fourth quarter to beat Alabama, who finally helped Bo warm up to the forward pass.

As for Rick Leach who by the way I saw every game he ever played at Michigan Stadium along with two more in Columbus, two others at Camp Randall (I think, one of the Camp Randalls might have been Steve Smith), once in West Lafeyette and one more at Spartan Stadium. He was spectacular running the option, but he ran a very similar offense to that which Dennis Franklin ran.  Any differences were mostly wrinkles.  

Leach was a career 45 or so percent passer who threw a lot of touchdown passes on very few attempts because it was all play action with a backfield just full of great runners.  Leach himself was a pretty shifty and physical back who could knock you on your ass, Gordie Bell and Rob Lytle were both great backs, Gil Chapman could run like a deer.  Safeties were always coming up to stop the run, Leach would fake the handoff and then throw it deep looking for somebody to run under it.  BUT when we needed to complete a ball into a coverage scheme, or come from behind with limited time, Ricky Leach's balls came in on one bounce.

I'm not blaming Leach, frankly I blame Bo since he was the guy who hired the QB coach.  But "Blocking and Tackling" was Bo's thing, he didn't know nothin bout throwing the football. 

TrppWlbrnID

June 7th, 2012 at 2:18 PM ^

PAC12 plays 9 conference games, B1G will play 9 conference games in 2017. one bad point of the 9 conf games is the awkward 4 home/5 away every other year rotation. what the B1G+PAC does is, hopefully, insert a 5th quality home opponent every other year. so the home schedule (that we will be shelling out more and more for) will always have 5 good games and most likely 2 body-bag MAC-cakes.

this year is a bit of an anomaly due to the 'bama game, but a year like 2014 where we have home games vs msu, psu, iowa, NW & app state but ND, osu and neb on the road, if you were to add stanford, oregon, washington, cal, etc. that would be a home schedule worth paying a PSL for.

compare this with the SEC 14 team mess going to 6-1-1, basically meaning their season ticket holders are going to get 4 conference games and 3-4 body bag games and be expected to show up and sell out every year. many SEC teams do a home/away with a decent team, per year, but even then fans are getting the shaft when it comes to going to games.

French West Indian

June 7th, 2012 at 3:04 PM ^

I've long argued that the steady relationship between the Big Ten and Pac Ten gives them a collective ace up their sleeve with respect to the college football landscape.  Together, they have nearly coast-to-coast reach and in terms of symmetry they are near perfectly in balance. 

Working in concert, they render everbody else as mere regional players (even the SEC despite all their BCS dominance).  With a bit of strategy they could easily be the dominate entity in college football.  On field results may continue to lag for a few years but in the long run even the talented southern kids might start to see it as the most logical stepping stone to a career in the NFL.

Now whether or not the Big Pac is trying to or even wants to be the most dominant entity in college football, who knows?  But college football is competitive in more ways than just the on-field games.